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Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Dtruthspeaker: 7:22pm On Jun 02, 2020
The first thing you must know is that The Man we know to be Jesus Christ is not just a man called Jesus Christ, but He is the Great and Mighty King Who is in Charge (Rules) of this world called earth and His High-ness is Soo Great that He is a God Over us.

Proof: it is Christs Father, the Most High Himself Who issues Commands "let there be light; let us make man etc. Genesis 1:3

Christ is the One (The Spoken Word) who carries out the Commands. John 1:1-4 And He Himself issues out more commands in line with the Instructions Given Him by the Most High Genesis 2:16.

The Lord God in Genesis 2:4 is the very same Man Whom people just carelessly Call Jesus Christ. Proof: Mathew 28:18; John 3:13; John 6:38/39: and verses 44, 46, 57. Mathew 13:41

For After Genesis 1, God Spoke less and the Lord who is God over man and all the earth Spoke More. And after the introduction of These Mighty Beings, the Lord God (Jesus Christ) because we now knew at this time that He was God Over us then changed to The Lord, and Remained Unchanged!

That is why from Genesis 12, The Lord (Jesus Christ) Did about 98% of the Speaking and
the Acting to and on Man.

Hence the parable of the vineyard Luke 20:9-16.

It was Christ, Who is God over this world, Who Sent Prophets, Under the Instruction of the Most High, His Father, in accordance with the Parable of the Vineyard, yet man did not listen.

On Forgiveness and Repentance from Sins and the Proper Cleansing thereof, God Commanded an Atonement or action for making amends for wrongs to be in the form of a sacrifice of An Unblemished Lamb, Goat, Bull etc for the Diverse Sins and Collective Sins.Leviticus 3,4,5,6,7.

But by the Parable of the vineyard, The Most High Instructed, Our Lord and God, to Singularise All Those Diverse Sin Offerings (For Those Who Want It) in Leviticus, to be A Mighty, Unblemished Lamb for All the World as our Sin Sacrifice of Apology to the Most High for All our sins and Wickedness, in line with the Commandment in Leviticus.

So instead of doing many many sacrifices for all our different sins, The Most High, Himself, Gave us a Gift of The Mightiest And The Most Powerful Sacrifice, for the Forgiveness of All our Variety of Various Sins, for those who want their sins Forgiven.

And that's why we Plead the Cover and the Mercy of out Lord God Who is the same Jesus, the Christ, Who Died for us, that we may Live, and Never Die!

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Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by budaatum: 7:39pm On Jun 02, 2020
Pity they "sacrificed him" instead of learning from him, though in reality they murdered an innocent man and convinced themselves God wanted him to be sacrificed!

I'm sure no one would accept that the killing of their school teacher is a suitable sacrifice for whatever reason, but I guess we must just believe what we are told instead of reasoning with the brain that God must have put in our heads!
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Zodiac61(m): 7:46pm On Jun 02, 2020
You guys keep on talking about a sacrifice.
If what you believe is true, than what happened to jesus was anything but a sacrifice. Your beliefs claimed that he rose from the dead three days after and that was part of the plan.
So what exactly was the sacrifice, being dead for three days?
In the scheme of things, not a sacrifice at all.

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Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Dtruthspeaker: 7:49pm On Jun 02, 2020
budaatum:
Pity they "sacrificed him" instead of learning from him, though in reality they murdered an innocent man and convinced themselves God wanted him to be sacrificed!

I'm sure no one would accept that the killing of their school teacher is a suitable sacrifice for whatever reason, but I guess we must just believe what we are told instead of reasoning with the brain that God must have put in our heads!

I know you must see only that which is evil even after I have shown that it was the Good Plan of the Most High, for the Good purpose that mankind should not Die because of their serious offences done to Him and done Against Him, Which is shown in the Parable of the Vineyard!

Well it is only for those who know that they have sinned and are Truly sorry for offending the Innocent Most High, Who has done Only Good to Man but Man instead of being thankful rather repaid Him with Wickedness and Rebellion.
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Dtruthspeaker: 7:55pm On Jun 02, 2020
Zodiac61:
You guys keep on talking about a sacrifice.
If what you believe is true, than what happened to jesus was anything but a sacrifice. Your beliefs claimed that he rose from the dead three days after and that was part of the plan.
So what exactly was the sacrifice, being dead for three days?
In the scheme of things, not a sacrifice at all.

It would not have made any difference to you if He had died and He Resurrected Immediately.
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by budaatum: 7:57pm On Jun 02, 2020
Dtruthspeaker:


I know you must see only that which is evil even after I have shown that it was the Good Plan of the Most High, for the Good purpose that mankind should not Die because of their serious offences done to Him and done Against Him, Which is shown in the Parable of the Vineyard!

Well it is only for those who know that they have sinned and are Truly sorry for offending the Innocent Most High, Who has done Only Good to Man but Man instead of being thankful rather repaid Him with Wickedness and Rebellion.
You have shown me nothing at all Dtruth. All you have done is repeat what you've been told to believe instead of using your own brain to reason.

If you did use your own brain, you'd wonder what benefit killing Christ has done to the world that has only increased in its evil doing since Christ was killed. And if you were honest with yourself you'd admit that all that stuff about him dying for your sins is a rather pointless belief if you continued sinning.
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Dtruthspeaker: 8:05pm On Jun 02, 2020
budaatum:

You have shown me nothing at all Dtruth. All you have done is repeat what you've been told to believe instead of using your own brain to reason.

If you did use your own brain, you'd wonder what benefit killing Christ has done to the world that has only increased in its evil doing since Christ was killed. And if you were honest with yourself you'd admit that all that stuff about him dying for your sins is a rather pointless belief if you continued sinning.

There isn't any question here. But if you are raising the issue of why sin abounds in the world, then I know you know the answer, which is basically because people are like you, which is you hate doing the good and right Things while you love pleasing yourself, without care or bother who or whom is Hurt.

And your Yous have become too many.

If Good abounded, there would be No Offences which would require No Remedy.
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by budaatum: 8:15pm On Jun 02, 2020
Dtruthspeaker:


There isn't any question here. But if you are raising the issue of why sin abounds in the world, then I know you know the answer, which is basically because people are like you, which is you hate doing the good and right Things while you love pleasing yourself, without care or bother who or whom is Hurt.

And your Yous have become too many.

If Good abounded, there would be No Offences which would require No Remedy.
I guess you killed Christ for nothing then, since nothing much changed after you killed him.

If only you hadn't killed him and learnt from him instead. The world would have certainly become a better place.

Try it. Try letting good abound in your heart towards God's creation instead of assuming I am the devil and see how much better the world would be.

Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Dtruthspeaker: 8:24pm On Jun 02, 2020
budaatum:

I guess you killed Christ for nothing then, since nothing much changed after you killed him.

If only you hadn't killed him and learnt from him instead. The world would have certainly become a better place.

Try it. Try letting good abound in your heart towards God's creation instead of assuming I am the devil and see how much better the world would be.

Yes, I did and I am Very Very Sorry I Did, so now like Paul, I work for Him and I learn from Him (as you said) and now I speak all the things that I have learnt from Him.
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by budaatum: 8:35pm On Jun 02, 2020
Dtruthspeaker:


Yes, I did and I am Very Very Sorry I Did, so now like Paul, I work for Him.
And Paul told you to call anyone who does not believe as you do, satan?

I guess you must have adopted the Pharisee in Paul then. Here them accuse Christ of demon possession just like you accuse me for thinking independently like Jesus too did which is why they killed him before lying to you that he died for your sins.

Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by budaatum: 8:39pm On Jun 02, 2020
Dtruthspeaker:


I speak all the things that I have learnt from Him.
You have obviously not learnt all that Christ had to teach. His independence of thought, for instance, and him not believing like the Pharisees, the Sadducees and satan who trembles all do.

A waste of Christ is what I call it.
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Dtruthspeaker: 9:00pm On Jun 02, 2020
budaatum:

And Paul told you to call anyone who does not believe as you do, satan?

I guess you must have adopted the Pharisee in Paul then. Here them accuse Christ of demon possession just like you accuse me for thinking independently like Jesus too did which is why they killed him before lying to you that he died for your sins.

Paul and the Disciples learnt to know Satan and having known him, we easily See him, for Everyone who is Purely Evil, is Satan.

By his fruits (work, talk, views), we shall not only know you but See you.
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by budaatum: 9:15pm On Jun 02, 2020
Dtruthspeaker:


Paul and the Disciples learnt to know Satan and having known him, we easily See him, for Everyone who is Purely Evil, is Satan.

By his fruits (work, talk, views), we shall not only know you but See you.
You see my fruits?

One thing Jesus did was heal numerous people of their inability to use their senses. He "spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind with the clay, and sent them to wash in the pool of Siloam so they may wash and be able to use their senses" instead of creating unseen crap inside their own heads and lying that they sense it.

I'm so sorry, but I assumed you were a truth seeker, but it seems you are just another one of those people who create crap inside their own heads and believe it. May Christ spit on mud and make clay and rub it in your eyes so they may open and you learn to use your Jesus healed senses.

Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Dtruthspeaker: 9:44pm On Jun 02, 2020
budaatum:

You see my fruits?

One thing Jesus did was heal numerous people of their inability to use their senses. He "spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind with the clay, and sent them to wash in the pool of Siloam so they may wash and be able to use their senses" instead of creating unseen crap inside their own heads and lying that they sense it.

I'm so sorry, but I assumed you were a truth seeker, but it seems you are just another one of those people who create crap inside their own heads and believe it. May Christ spit on mud and make clay and rub it in your eyes so they may open and you learn to use your Jesus healed senses.

cool And finally you've gone off the track and into pôtôpôtô. And the fruits (Ridicule, Mock, Slander of God- the Delightful Specialty of Your Depraved Evilness) i spoke of, has begun, As it was written!
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Zodiac61(m): 9:57pm On Jun 02, 2020
Dtruthspeaker:


It would not have made any difference to you if He had died and He Resurrected Immediately.

For someone who claims to speak the truth, you appear singularly uninterested in the truth.
Believing in fairy tales is not seeking the truth.
As for sacrifice, knowing that I am going to come back to life after death is not really a sacrifice, is it?
And frankly, accepting the deluded superstitious rantings of bronze and iron age people in the middle East as the truth is not only ridiculous, it is down right dangerous.
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Dtruthspeaker: 10:05pm On Jun 02, 2020
Zodiac61:


For someone who claims to speak the truth, you appear singularly uninterested in the truth.
Believing in fairy tales is not seeking the truth.
As for sacrifice, knowing that I am going to come back to life after death is not really a sacrifice, is it?
And frankly, accepting the deluded superstitious rantings of bronze and iron age people in the middle East as the truth is not only ridiculous, it is down right dangerous.

So therefore, knowing that you were going to go to work and come back, means you have not gone to work?
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by budaatum: 10:20pm On Jun 02, 2020
Dtruthspeaker:


cool And finally you've gone off the track and into pôtôpôtô. And the fruits (Ridicule, Mock, Slander of God- the Delightful Specialty of Your Depraved Evilness) i spoke of, has begun, As it was written!
Must be difficult for you to admit that you lack comprehension.

I'll pray to God on your behalf.
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Dtruthspeaker: 10:39pm On Jun 02, 2020
budaatum:

Must be difficult for you to admit that you lack comprehension.

I'll pray to God on your behalf.

Yes you must have the last words, go on say your piece, I won't stop you.
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by budaatum: 10:50pm On Jun 02, 2020
Dtruthspeaker:


Yes you must have the last words, go on say your piece, I won't stop you.
Love the reverse psychology, lol. You can't stop me even if you tried really really hard.
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Offpoint: 10:54pm On Jun 02, 2020
You want to answer me, go to my thread and do so.

I still don't see an answer to the question I asked in all you've written.

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Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Dtruthspeaker: 11:20pm On Jun 02, 2020
Offpoint:
You want to answer me, go to my thread and do so.

I still don't see an answer to the question I asked in all you've written.

I was in your thread, page 7 which I think would be lengthy for you to keep track of all that is being posted there. Therefore you may miss my answer.

For I also had wondered about your question long before you asked, and I was glad to find the answer, which I was therefore pressed to share here.

I surely know that your question is based on the many intricate understandings of the bits of the Bible in relation to the whole, which I am happy to make an attempt of Explaining each part in relation to the whole.

Which is what I have presented up there for all to shake.

So if I have not answered the question you asked, please restate it here that I may respond. Thanks
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Dtruthspeaker: 11:22pm On Jun 02, 2020
budaatum:

Love the reverse psychology, lol. You can't stop me even if you tried really really hard.

Of course! You are not my creation, so I wasn't even trying,

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Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by bright007(f): 11:28pm On Jun 02, 2020
So this guy created this thread and is basically telling us God sacrificed himself to himself!


How does that make sense?

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Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Dtruthspeaker: 11:29pm On Jun 02, 2020
Offpoint:
You want to answer me, go to my thread and do so.


I still don't see an answer to the question I asked in all you've written.

I went back to look at your question and now I know I answered it for a fact, even though it is a much loaded question with children and grandchildren but all the answers to them are either within popular knowledge which I didn't have to state or I addressed them.
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by budaatum: 11:37pm On Jun 02, 2020
Dtruthspeaker:


Of course! You are not my creation, so I wasn't even trying,
Glad to hear.

Not to have the last word, but in my own opinion, there's so much more to Jesus than literally believing what we read and are told about him.

He, for instance, never believed the stuff that was believed in his day, and was crucified for daring to think and reason different to how those around him did. And when we become as little children and abandon the childish things that we are told to believe and start to use the brains that God has put into our heads instead, we too will be mightily blessed.

Anyway, I'm certain this won't be my last word here as Offpoint asked a thinking person's question and I'm interested in your response. Might I suggest however that you cut down on the insults and condemnations and lies, as its not exactly Jesus fertilized fruit.
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Dtruthspeaker: 11:38pm On Jun 02, 2020
bright007:
So this guy created this thread and is basically telling us God sacrificed himself to himself!


How does that make sense?

Oh yes He did that but who requires a sacrifice, man or He?

I know I do and I have taken it and I Thank Him accordingly.

And as I said it is only for those who want Him.

He who has done no wrong, does not require Forgiveness. I Do Wrong, I need His Forgiveness, hence I Always need His Sacrifice.

But you are perfect and alright and have no need for anyone. That's fine for you, that's fine for me!.

We are all fine, therefore, no problems for You are fine to do whatever you like with no question, I am fine to be a Bound to Christ.

In the end everyone is fine! No problems here.
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Dtruthspeaker: 6:31am On Jun 03, 2020
Offpoint:
You want to answer me, go to my thread and do so.


I still don't see an answer to the question I asked in all you've written.

Now I am certain I answered you for clearly asked in your thread for the clarification.

Offpoint:


Thanks, you've answer one part of the question.

The last part, if he knew... Can that still be classified as a SACRIFICE?

Which I have shown above!
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Csonice1: 9:59am On Aug 18, 2020
Dtruthspeaker:
The first thing you must know is that The Man we know to be Jesus Christ is not just a man called Jesus Christ, but He is the Great and Mighty King Who is in Charge (Rules) of this world called earth and His High-ness is Soo Great that He is a God Over us.

Proof: it is Christs Father, the Most High Himself Who issues Commands "let there be light; let us make man etc. Genesis 1:3

Christ is the One (The Spoken Word) who carries out the Commands. John 1:1-4 And He Himself issues out more commands in line with the Instructions Given Him by the Most High Genesis 2:16.

The Lord God in Genesis 2:4 is the very same Man Whom people just carelessly Call Jesus Christ. Proof: Mathew 28:18; John 3:13; John 6:38/39: and verses 44, 46, 57. Mathew 13:41

For After Genesis 1, God Spoke less and the Lord who is God over man and all the earth Spoke More. And after the introduction of These Mighty Beings, the Lord God (Jesus Christ) because we now knew at this time that He was God Over us then changed to The Lord, and Remained Unchanged!

That is why from Genesis 12, The Lord (Jesus Christ) Did about 98% of the Speaking and
the Acting to and on Man.

Hence the parable of the vineyard Luke 20:9-16.

It was Christ, Who is God over this world, Who Sent Prophets, Under the Instruction of the Most High, His Father, in accordance with the Parable of the Vineyard, yet man did not listen.

On Forgiveness and Repentance from Sins and the Proper Cleansing thereof, God Commanded an Atonement or action for making amends for wrongs to be in the form of a sacrifice of An Unblemished Lamb, Goat, Bull etc for the Diverse Sins and Collective Sins.Leviticus 3,4,5,6,7.

But by the Parable of the vineyard, The Most High Instructed, Our Lord and God, to Singularise All Those Diverse Sin Offerings (For Those Who Want It) in Leviticus, to be A Mighty, Unblemished Lamb for All the World as our Sin Sacrifice of Apology to the Most High for All our sins and Wickedness, in line with the Commandment in Leviticus.

So instead of doing many many sacrifices for all our different sins, The Most High, Himself, Gave us a Gift of The Mightiest And The Most Powerful Sacrifice, for the Forgiveness of All our Variety of Various Sins, for those who want their sins Forgiven.

And that's why we Plead the Cover and the Mercy of out Lord God Who is the same Jesus, the Christ, Who Died for us, that we may Live, and Never Die!

God bless you.
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Successdude(m): 10:23am On Aug 18, 2020
Dtruthspeaker:


It would not have made any difference to you if He had died and He Resurrected Immediately.

aside that, you would have easily asked him to die for even one day. let's see how he responds
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Dtruthspeaker: 10:23am On Aug 18, 2020
Csonice1:


God bless you.

Same to you, sir!

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Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Dtruthspeaker: 10:38am On Aug 18, 2020
Successdude:


aside that, you would have easily asked him to die for even one day. let's see how he responds

grin
It would have been a bad answer.
Re: Answering OFFPOINT On His Question As To Why Christ Jesus Is A Perfect Sacrifice by Dtruthspeaker: 11:06am On Aug 18, 2020
budaatum:

Glad to hear.

Not to have the last word, but in my own opinion, there's so much more to Jesus than literally believing what we read and are told about him

We can not know more about Him beyond what we have read or have been told of Him, for He is Not Man, even though He Looked like a Man.

But, when He Reveals Himself to You, you would know more than what is written or said of Him.

budaatum:

He, for instance, never believed the stuff that was believed in his day, and was crucified for daring to think and reason different to how those around him did.

That is Another Major Difference Between Him and us, He Clearly Knew Right from Wrong, Good from Bad or evil. And He supported All that was Good, which is not popular among the children of men while he was against all the Bads and wrongs and wickedness and evil, which is very popular among men.

So naturally, He shall be different from the population.

budaatum:

And when we become as little children and abandon the childish things that we are told to believe and start to use the brains that God has put into our heads instead, we too will be mightily blessed.

And you got it Right only to finish wrongfully at the bolded! The secret is Children know that they do not know, hence they learn.

When a man uses his head as you said, he has to pray that he is right whereas if he had learnt from Christ, he would be certain that he is right, for there is no stumbling or fall when you walk in the Accurate Teachings of Christ.

budaatum:

Anyway, I'm certain this won't be my last word here as Offpoint asked a thinking person's question and I'm interested in your response. Might I suggest however that you cut down on the insults and condemnations and lies, as its not exactly Jesus fertilized fruit.

I have answered offpoint but I do know that Understanding Is Given By The Lord, so therefore without it, he shall have great difficulty in comprehending my answer, for if he did, he would either have a question that flows from my answer or if he is noble, he shall express his enlightenment or stay silent.

Further, i do not think I Insulted anyone I just think that they took offence when none was given.

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