Slavery and Islam (Samuel Green and John Azumah)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5-xtSG8oFc
Slavery in Islam is an important topic and raises significant questions. Why is the transatlantic trade so well-known and the Islamic slave trade suppressed? How many millions of slaves did the Islamic slave trade claim? Does islamic slavery continue today? Dr. John Azumah answers these questions, and a lot more, in his book: The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa. 

Africa does not seem to have a realistic history of the past as far as Islamic issues are concerned. A lot of the past of Islam has definitely been covered up. A book that sets out to clearly the smoke is certainly a welcome development.

Slaves Of allah, As allah Is The Slaves Master

Viewers Comments:
"Forgetting one's past and history is exactly the bane of the underlying problem we are having today! This is what the Muslim and islamic world has succeeded in doing, removing History as a subject from our curriculum, and feeding us with lies, on collaboration with the Western world!"

I think slavery is in most of our past

Viewers Comments (continued):

"Here we have another subject that Islam doesn't want mentioned. In our troubled times the Muslim connection should be talked about. Leave the statues alone and spend some time looking towards Islam."

Viewers Comments (continued):

"Meanwhile muslims on FB are still acting as if Muhammad abolished slavery"

Slavery - The Whole Story
By: Bill Warner PhD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0goqyMnJgsg
Most people do not know the complete story of slavery. The half story of slavery is the evil white man on a wooden ship on the west coast of Africa. The whole story includes the fact that all of the slaves sent to the Americas were sold by Muslim slave wholesalers. Political Islam has a complete doctrine of slavery.

Mohammed was involved in every aspect of slavery. He captured slaves, received them as gifts, and owned slaves of all races. Only Kafirs could be enslaved.

Historically, all nations used slaves. The reason for the ending of slavery was that we built better slaves with engines and machinery, not our moral superiority.
Recommended:
John Azumah: The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa

Viewers Comments (continued):
"The Islamic slave trade has been going on for over 1400 years, and has included Africa, Europe and Asia. An attempt was even made against America i.e. the Barbary Pirate problem 200 or more years ago. Thank you for spreading this information."

Viewers Comments (continued):
Oh my goodness, it's interesting and heartwarming to hear someone shadow most of my own thoughts and perceptions regarding Islam as a global tour-de-force.
They even submit to being called slaves of Allah, talk about systematic, institutionalised, endemic, unconscious bias or whatever other linguistic arrow they throw and accuse Christendom of. Talk about cognitive dissonance.

Well done OP

I was hoping we'll see verses of Islam here but I'm seeing none.

Which religion makes it a good deed to free slaves?

And what did Yahweh, Jesus and Paul say against slavery?

It all started from Yahweh discriminating against the son of a slave Ishmael in the Bible.

This shows slaves are less of a human than the freeborn!

Jehovah and Allah clearly supported Slavery. I'm happy that they are both in slavery themselves currently.

AntiChristian:
I was hoping we'll see verses of Islam here but I'm seeing none.

Which religion makes it a good deed to free slaves?

And what did Yahweh, Jesus and Paul say against slavery?

It all started from Yahweh discriminating against the son of a slave Ishmael in the Bible.

This shows slaves are less of a human than the freeborn!

Ignoramus.

Come and see how Muhammad the slave trader sold humans as commodities.

"Narrated Jabir:
The Prophet (ﷺ) came to know that one of his companions had given the promise of freeing his slave after his death, but as he had no other property than that slave, the Prophet (ﷺ) sold that slave for 800 dirhams and sent the price to him."
-Sahih Bukhari 9:89:296

advocatejare:

Ignoramus.

Come and see how Muhammad the slave trader sold humans as commodities.

"Narrated Jabir:
The Prophet (ﷺ) came to know that one of his companions had given the promise of freeing his slave after his death, but as he had no other property than that slave, the Prophet (ﷺ) sold that slave for 800 dirhams and sent the price to him."
-Sahih Bukhari 9:89:296

Can you mention any law from Yahweh on slavery?

AgentNairaland:
Slaves Of allah, As allah Is The Slaves Master

Christians criticize Muslims without reading their bible themselves why will you attack people of other religion when yours (Christianity) is the culprit I wouldn't have replied but your view doesn't makes sense if your God/Jesus does exact same thing you accuse other of

LEVITICUS 25

44 As for your bondmen and your bondmaids whom you may have, they shall be from the nations round about you, of whom you may buy bondmen and bondmaids.

45 Moreover, of the children of the strangers who sojourn among you, of them you may buy and of their families that are with you which they have begotten in your land, and they shall be your possession.

46 And you shall make them an inheritance for your children after you, to hold for a possession; of them shall you take your bondmen always, but over your brethren the Israelites you shall not rule one over another with harshness (severity, oppression).

47 And if a sojourner or stranger with you becomes rich and your [Israelite] brother becomes poor beside him and sells himself to the stranger or sojourner with you or to a member of the stranger's family,

48 After he is sold he may be redeemed. One of his brethren may redeem him:

49 Either his uncle or his uncle's son may redeem him, or a near kinsman may redeem him; or if he has enough and is able, he may redeem himself.

50 And [the redeemer] shall reckon with the purchaser of the servant from the year when he sold himself to the purchaser to the Year of Jubilee, and the price of his release shall be adjusted according to the number of years. The time he was with his owner shall be counted as that of a hired servant.

51 If there remain many years [before the Year of Jubilee], in proportion to them he must refund [to the purchaser] for his release [the overpayment] for his acquisition.

52 And if little time remains until the Year of Jubilee, he shall count it over with him and he shall refund the proportionate amount for his release.

haekymbahdx:
Christians criticize Muslims without reading their bible themselves why will you attack people of other religion when yours (Christianity) is the culprit I wouldn't have replied but your view doesn't makes sense if your God/Jesus does exact same thing you accuse other of

LEVITICUS 25

44 As for your bondmen and your bondmaids whom you may have, they shall be from the nations round about you, of whom you may buy bondmen and bondmaids.

45 Moreover, of the children of the strangers who sojourn among you, of them you may buy and of their families that are with you which they have begotten in your land, and they shall be your possession.

46 And you shall make them an inheritance for your children after you, to hold for a possession; of them shall you take your bondmen always, but over your brethren the Israelites you shall not rule one over another with harshness (severity, oppression).

47 And if a sojourner or stranger with you becomes rich and your [Israelite] brother becomes poor beside him and sells himself to the stranger or sojourner with you or to a member of the stranger's family,

48 After he is sold he may be redeemed. One of his brethren may redeem him:

49 Either his uncle or his uncle's son may redeem him, or a near kinsman may redeem him; or if he has enough and is able, he may redeem himself.

50 And [the redeemer] shall reckon with the purchaser of the servant from the year when he sold himself to the purchaser to the Year of Jubilee, and the price of his release shall be adjusted according to the number of years. The time he was with his owner shall be counted as that of a hired servant.

51 If there remain many years [before the Year of Jubilee], in proportion to them he must refund [to the purchaser] for his release [the overpayment] for his acquisition.

52 And if little time remains until the Year of Jubilee, he shall count it over with him and he shall refund the proportionate amount for his release.

What's your dilemma?

Let's tolerate each other.Did the man in the video have factual evidence of all these or was it just passive rumours and hear-say?

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AntiChristian:


Can you mention any law from Yahweh on slavery?

If Jesus sold humans like commodities like Muhammad did, show us the proof.

advocatejare:

If Jesus sold humans like commodities like Muhammad did, show us the proof.

Jesus himself was a slave of Yahweh! How will he sell slaves?

Read what Paul and John allegedly said in Romans 1: 1 and John 17:3 respectively.

Mind you I will bring a verse from Yahweh on slavery soon.

AntiChristian:


Jesus himself was a slave of Yahweh! How will he sell slaves?

Jesus is the son of Yahweh that your Quran explains by saying that Allah breathed his spirit into Maryam's vagina and impregnated her.


Your so called Holy Quran tells us about how Allah was boasting about how he blew his spirit(Ruh] into the فَرْج vagina(faraj/farjaha- her vaginaفَرْجَهَا ) of Mariam and impregnating Mariam in that process, and at the same time, your Allah was not brave enough to accept that he was the father of Jesus after he acknowledged the fact that it was after he blew his spirit into Mariam's vagina that she got pregnant with a holy son, Jesus.

The word used in the Arabic Quran is farjaha, which is the Arabic word for "her vaginaفَرْجَهَا" but the translators were ashamed that Allah could boast about how he was sniffing his spirit into the vagina of Mariam hence they deliberately translated farjaha into chastity.

Quran 21:91 wa-allatī aḥṣanat farjahā fanafakhnā fīhā min rūḥinā wajaʿalnāhā wa-ib'nahā āyatan lil'ʿālamīna

Quran 66:12 Wamaryama ibnata AAimrana allatee ahsanat farjaha fanafakhna feehi min roohina wasaddaqat bikalimati rabbiha wakutubihi wakanat mina alqaniteena

Sura 21:91
Wa-allati [and who] ahsanat [guarded] farjaha [vágina] fanafakhnā [so we breathed] feeha [therein] min [of] ruhina [our spirit] waja [and we] alnāhā [made her] wa-ibnahā [and her son] ayatan [a sign/verse] lil’ʿālamīna [for the world].

Sura 66:12
wamaryama[And Maryam] ib'nata[daughter of] ʿim'rāna[Imran] allatī[who] aḥṣanat[guarded] farjahā[HER VAGINA] fanafakhnā[so we BREATHED] fīhi[INTO IT] min[of] rūḥinā[OUR SPIRIT] waṣaddaqat bikalimāti rabbihā wakutubihi wakānat mina l-qānitīna

Read what Paul and John allegedly said in Romans 1: 1 and John 17:3 respectively.

Why not write what those two verses are talking about.

I've shown you how Muhammad sold human like commodities, show me where Jesus did the same or get lost.


Muhammad the slave trader:

"Narrated Jabir:
The Prophet (ﷺ) came to know that one of his companions had given the promise of freeing his slave after his death, but as he had no other property than that slave, the Prophet (ﷺ) sold that slave for 800 dirhams and sent the price to him."
-Sahih Bukhari 9:89:296

AntiChristian:
I was hoping we'll see verses of Islam here but I'm seeing none.

Which religion makes it a good deed to free slaves?

You said you wanted verses from Islam.
Here they are:
FROM THE KORAN - 70:22-30

"Not so the worshippers, who are steadfast in prayer, who set aside a due portion of their wealth for the beggar and for the deprived, who truly believe in the Day of Reckoning and dread the punishment of their Lord (for none is secure from the punishment of their Lord);  who restrain their carnal desire (save with their wives and their slave girls, for these are lawful to them:  he that lusts after other than these is a transgressor..."

Koran - 23:5,6

"...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them..."

Koran - 4:24

"And all married women are forbidden unto you save those captives whom your right hand possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. (Muhammad Pickthall's English translation of the Quran).
Note: The phrase "captives whom your right hand possess", means the slave girls captured and owned by Moslem men.

Koran - 33:50

"Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..."

Please address them DIRECTLY. No changing the issue. No Mohamed Hijab's tactic. Do these verses talk about Islam and slavery?

sagenaija:

You said you wanted verses from Islam.
Here they are:
FROM THE KORAN - 70:22-30

"Not so the worshippers, who are steadfast in prayer, who set aside a due portion of their wealth for the beggar and for the deprived, who truly believe in the Day of Reckoning and dread the punishment of their Lord (for none is secure from the punishment of their Lord);  who restrain their carnal desire (save with their wives and their slave girls, for these are lawful to them:  he that lusts after other than these is a transgressor..."

Koran - 23:5,6

"...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them..."

Koran - 4:24

"And all married women are forbidden unto you save those captives whom your right hand possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. (Muhammad Pickthall's English translation of the Quran).
Note: The phrase "captives whom your right hand possess", means the slave girls captured and owned by Moslem men.

Koran - 33:50

"Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..."

Please address them DIRECTLY. No changing the issue. No Mohamed Hijab's tactic. Do these verses talk about Islam and slavery?

You are wrong. This verses talked about two sets of women viz the wives and the slave girls. Slaves generally have no rights and the female slaves are usually taken as a lesser wife.

However this where you missed it. Islam met the culture of classifying slaves as small wives which is what happened in the case of Abraham, Sarah and Hagar in the Bible.

Question 1: did Abraham the father of faith marry Hagar the slave?

Question 2. Was there any claim of fornication/adultery on Abraham in the Bible for the act in 1 above?

Unlike Christianity Islam makes it a good deed to free slaves!

Al-Nawawi records in his book, Riyad us-Saliheen:

Allah said:
But he has not broken through the difficult path, and what will make you know what is the difficult path? It is the freeing of a slave.
Surah Al-Balad 90:11-13

Abu Huraira reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said:
Whoever frees a Muslim slave, then Allah will free every limb of his body from the Hellfire, even his private parts.
Source: Sahih Bukhari 6337, Grade: Sahih

Narrated by Abu Huraira
The Prophet said, "Whoever frees a Muslim slave, Allah will save all the parts of his body from the (Hell) Fire as he has freed the body-parts of the slave." Said bin Marjana said that he narrated that Hadith to 'Ali bin Al-Husain and he freed his slave for whom 'Abdullah bin Ja'far had offered him ten thousand Dirhams or one-thousand Dinars. Volume 3, Book 46, Number 693 :

Narrated by Abu Dhar
I asked the Prophet, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and to fight for His Cause." I then asked, "What is the best kind of manumission (of slaves)?" He replied, "The manumission of the most expensive slave and the most beloved by his master." I said, "If I cannot afford to do that?" He said, "Help the weak or do good for a person who cannot work for himself." I said, "If I cannot do that?" He said, "Refrain from harming others for this will be regarded as a charitable deed for your own good."
Volume 3, Book 46, Number 694

Narrated by Asma' bint Abu Bakr
The Prophet ordered us to free slaves at the time of solar eclipses.Volume 3, Book 46, Number 695 :

Narrated by Asma' bint Abu Bakr
We were ordered to free slaves at the time of lunar eclipses. Volume 3, Book 46, Number 696

Narrated by Ibn 'Umar
The Prophet said, "Whoever manumits a slave owned by two masters, should manumit him completely (not partially) if he is rich after having its price evaluated." Volume 3, Book 46, Number 697

Let's open your hypocrisy now

Now what does Yahweh say on slavery?
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.
Leviticus 25:44-46

[b]In the above you can see racism plus treating slaves as properties/inheritance![/b]

Constitution guiding selling one's daughter as slave.
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.
Exodus 21:7-11

Punishment of Slaves
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.
Exodus 21:20-21

Question 3: is there any law from Yahweh/Jesus/Paul to free slaves?

advocatejare:
Jesus is the son of Yahweh that your Quran explains by saying that Allah breathed his spirit into Maryam's vagina and impregnated her.

Your so called Holy Quran tells us about how Allah was boasting about how he blew his spirit(Ruh] into the فَرْج vagina(faraj/farjaha- her vaginaفَرْجَهَا ) of Mariam and impregnating Mariam in that process, and at the same time, your Allah was not brave enough to accept that he was the father of Jesus after he acknowledged the fact that it was after he blew his spirit into Mariam's vagina that she got pregnant with a holy son, Jesus.

The word used in the Arabic Quran is farjaha, which is the Arabic word for "her vaginaفَرْجَهَا" but the translators were ashamed that Allah could boast about how he was sniffing his spirit into the vagina of Mariam hence they deliberately translated farjaha into chastity.

Quran 21:91 wa-allatī aḥṣanat farjahā fanafakhnā fīhā min rūḥinā wajaʿalnāhā wa-ib'nahā āyatan lil'ʿālamīna

Quran 66:12 Wamaryama ibnata AAimrana allatee ahsanat farjaha fanafakhna feehi min roohina wasaddaqat bikalimati rabbiha wakutubihi wakanat mina alqaniteena

Sura 21:91
Wa-allati [and who] ahsanat [guarded] farjaha [vágina] fanafakhnā [so we breathed] feeha [therein] min [of] ruhina [our spirit] waja [and we] alnāhā [made her] wa-ibnahā [and her son] ayatan [a sign/verse] lil’ʿālamīna [for the world].

Sura 66:12
wamaryama[And Maryam] ib'nata[daughter of] ʿim'rāna[Imran] allatī[who] aḥṣanat[guarded] farjahā[HER VAGINA] fanafakhnā[so we BREATHED] fīhi[INTO IT] min[of] rūḥinā[OUR SPIRIT] waṣaddaqat bikalimāti rabbihā wakutubihi wakānat mina l-qānitīna

Our Qur'an is not translated word to word in such manner. You are the one translating the Qur'an in a similar way as the Bible verse below:

The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
Luke 1:35

advocatejare:
Why not write what those two verses are talking about.

From Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God.
Romans 1:1

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (apesteilas means to send out)
John 17:3

Yahweh sent Jesus out....

advocatejare:

I've shown you how Muhammad sold human like commodities, show me where Jesus did the same or get lost.

Muhammad the slave trader:

"Narrated Jabir:
The Prophet (ﷺ) came to know that one of his companions had given the promise of freeing his slave after his death, but as he had no other property than that slave, the Prophet (ﷺ) sold that slave for 800 dirhams and sent the price to him."
-Sahih Bukhari 9:89:296

Same nonsense all the time. I will debunk and you will paste again next week!

Question 1: did Abraham the father of faith marry Hagar the slave?

Question 2. Was there any claim of fornication/adultery on Abraham in the Bible for the act in 1 above?

Unlike Christianity Islam makes it a good deed to free slaves!

Al-Nawawi records in his book, Riyad us-Saliheen:

Allah said:
But he has not broken through the difficult path, and what will make you know what is the difficult path? It is the freeing of a slave.
Surah Al-Balad 90:11-13

Abu Huraira reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said:
Whoever frees a Muslim slave, then Allah will free every limb of his body from the Hellfire, even his private parts.
Source: Sahih Bukhari 6337, Grade: Sahih

Narrated by Abu Huraira
The Prophet said, "Whoever frees a Muslim slave, Allah will save all the parts of his body from the (Hell) Fire as he has freed the body-parts of the slave." Said bin Marjana said that he narrated that Hadith to 'Ali bin Al-Husain and he freed his slave for whom 'Abdullah bin Ja'far had offered him ten thousand Dirhams or one-thousand Dinars. Volume 3, Book 46, Number 693 :

Narrated by Abu Dhar
I asked the Prophet, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and to fight for His Cause." I then asked, "What is the best kind of manumission (of slaves)?" He replied, "The manumission of the most expensive slave and the most beloved by his master." I said, "If I cannot afford to do that?" He said, "Help the weak or do good for a person who cannot work for himself." I said, "If I cannot do that?" He said, "Refrain from harming others for this will be regarded as a charitable deed for your own good."
Volume 3, Book 46, Number 694

Narrated by Asma' bint Abu Bakr
The Prophet ordered us to free slaves at the time of solar eclipses.Volume 3, Book 46, Number 695 :

Narrated by Asma' bint Abu Bakr
We were ordered to free slaves at the time of lunar eclipses. Volume 3, Book 46, Number 696

Narrated by Ibn 'Umar
The Prophet said, "Whoever manumits a slave owned by two masters, should manumit him completely (not partially) if he is rich after having its price evaluated." Volume 3, Book 46, Number 697

Let's open your hypocrisy now

Now what does Yahweh say on slavery?
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.
Leviticus 25:44-46

[b]In the above you can see racism plus treating slaves as properties/inheritance![/b]

Constitution guiding selling one's daughter as slave.
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.
Exodus 21:7-11

Punishment of Slaves
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.
Exodus 21:20-21

Question 3: is there any law from Yahweh/Jesus/Paul to free slaves?

I understand the zeal for christianity but criticizing and condemning islam because of things that the old testament bible says God did and agreed with is hypocrisy....

Focus on preaching christ because there is little or nothing that you hate and are disgusted about in Islam that God didnt agree to in the old testament.... unless you want to denounce the God of the OT; then you should state that too....

It reeks of insincerity.... let it go

The Christian argument against islam for violence, genocide, conquest, slavery doesnt hold water as the God of the OT was ok with these things. At best you can opine that they are stuck with God of the past and havent upgraded to the latest software....

AntiChristian:

You are wrong. This verses talked about two sets of women viz the wives and the slave girls. Slaves generally have no rights and the female slaves are usually taken as.......

If you read my posts for a while you will notice one thing I've consistently mentioned: Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth.

Islam made slavery a CULTURE. It was a way of life for Moslems.

Islam allowed the taking of slaves as "booty", or reward for fighting.
33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."

The above verses show that taking slaves was ordained by Allah. It was also permissible for Moslem males to have sex with their female slaves.

A look at your islamic history will confirm this.

Treatment of slaves:
There is the record that Moslems had taken female slaves, and had sex with them and Mohamed  approved of it but only advised them not to practice coitus interruptus.
Mohamed okayed the rape of female prisoners.
Sahih Bukhari
Vol. 5-#512     Narrated Anas:  ".....The prophet had their warriors killed, their offspring and woman taken as captives...."

This Hadith details the attack on the Jews of Khaybar.  Again, many of the women and children were taken and made into slaves.
(Khaybar did nothing wrong to Mohamed).

Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, a great scholar and Islamic historian says in his book "Zad al-Ma'ad", part 1, p160:

"Muhammad had many male and female slaves.  He used to buy and sell them, but he purchased more slaves then he sold.  He once sold one black slave for two.  His purchases of slaves were more than he sold."

"Muhammad had a number of black slaves.  One of them was named 'Mahran'.  Muhammad forced him to do more labor than the average man. Whenever Muhammad went on a trip and he, or his people, got tired of carrying their stuff, he made Mahran carry it.  Mahran said "Even if I were already carrying the load of 6 or 7 donkeys while we were on a journey, anyone who felt weak would throw his clothes or his shield or his sword on me so I would carry that, a heavy load".  Tabari and Jawziyya both record this, so Islam accepts this as true."

According to the Hughes Dictionary of Islam, slaves had few civil or legal rights.  For example:

a)Muslim men were allowed to have sex anytime with females slaves - Sura 4:3, 4:29, 33:49.

b)Slaves are as helpless before their masters as idols are before God - Sura 16:77

c)According to Islamic Tradition, people at the time of their capture were either to be killed, or enslaved.  Shows you that they were at the bottom of the barrel to start with.

d)According to Islamic jurisprudence, slaves were merchandise. The sales of slaves was in accordance with the sale of animals.

e)Muhammad ordered that some slaves who were freed by their master be RE-ENSLAVED!

f)It is permissible under Islamic law to whip slaves.

g)According to Islam, a Muslim could not be put to death for murdering a slave.  Ref. 2:178 and the Jalalayn confirm this.

h)According to Islam, the testimony of slaves is not admissible in court.  Ibn Timiyya and Bukhari state this.

i)According to Islamic jurisprudence, slaves cannot choose their own marriage mate. - Ibn Hazm, vol. 6, part 9.

j)According to Islamic jurisprudence, slaves can be forced to marry who their masters want. - Malik ibn Anas, vol. 2, page 155.

So, you can see for yourself slavery in Islam. When it pleases you you can choose to deceive us with what you've posted. But when you are with your folks you'll get excited about the "beauty" of slavery in Islam.

AntiChristian:


Our Qur'an is not translated word to word in such manner. You are the one translating the Qur'an in a similar way as the Bible verse below:

The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
Luke 1:35

Unlike your Allah that claim he sniffed his spirit into into Maryam's vagina.

Holy Spirit coming on someone doesn't mean sexual intercourse

I laugh at your ignorance. Holy spirit coming upon people in the Bible had nothing to do with filthiness like your Allah, it means the power of God descended upon them:

Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

Acts 2:4
And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.

Holy Spirit came upon:
Othniel (Judges 3:9-10)

Gideon (Judges 6:34)

Epitaph (Judges 11:29)

Samson (Judges 13:25; 14:6, 19; 15:14)

Samuel (1 Samuel 10:6-10; 16:13-14)

Saul (1 Samuel 19:20-23)

David (1 Samuel 23:1).

And the word translated as "overshadow" is ἐπισκιάσει (episkiasei) which means to enveloped by God's glorious presence which was not the first place such word was used in the Bible to denote the presence of God and had nothing to do with sexual intercourse like your sexual immoral god.

ἐπισκιάσει was also used in matthew 17:5
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Luke 9:34
While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.

But same can't be said of your immoral god who boasted about blowing his spirit into a lady's vagina

Sura 21:91
Wa-allati [and who] ahsanat [guarded] farjaha [vágina] fanafakhnā [so we breathed] feeha [therein] min [of] ruhina [our spirit] waja [and we] alnāhā [made her] wa-ibnahā [and her son] ayatan [a sign/verse] lil’ʿālamīna [for the world].

From Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God.
Romans 1:1

You're ignorant. The word translated as slave is [ δοῦλος] which means servant.

Jesus didn't buy Paul like a commodity like Muhammad bought Bilal.

Jesus had died and resurrected before Paul became a follower of Jesus' teachings? So how could Jesus have bought him as a slave.

Your reasoning actually reveals why you left Christianity, you didn't know anything. You were just among the crowd, aimless church goer

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (apesteilas means to send out)
John 17:3

Yahweh sent Jesus out....

That's not new, it was what Jesus preached throughout his ministry that he didn't come on his own, he was sent by his Father and that may Yahweh's will be done.

So you're only re echoing what we already know. Yahweh is the only true God and Jesus is His son that he sent to the world.

Unlike Christianity Islam makes it a good deed to free slaves!

Neither Christ nor his disciples traded humans as slaves like Muhammad did.

If slave freeing was what Muhammad preached, why did he sell slaves and why didn't he free Bilal?

sagenaija:

If you read my posts for a while you will notice one thing I've consistently mentioned: Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth.

Islam made slavery a CULTURE. It was a way of life for Moslems.

Islam allowed the taking of slaves as "booty", or reward for fighting.
33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."

The above verses show that taking slaves was ordained by Allah. It was also permissible for Moslem males to have sex with their female slaves.

A look at your islamic history will confirm this.

Treatment of slaves:
There is the record that Moslems had taken female slaves, and had sex with them and Mohamed  approved of it but only advised them not to practice coitus interruptus.
Mohamed okayed the rape of female prisoners.
Sahih Bukhari
Vol. 5-#512     Narrated Anas:  ".....The prophet had their warriors killed, their offspring and woman taken as captives...."

This Hadith details the attack on the Jews of Khaybar.  Again, many of the women and children were taken and made into slaves.
(Khaybar did nothing wrong to Mohamed).

Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, a great scholar and Islamic historian says in his book "Zad al-Ma'ad", part 1, p160:

"Muhammad had many male and female slaves.  He used to buy and sell them, but he purchased more slaves then he sold.  He once sold one black slave for two.  His purchases of slaves were more than he sold."

"Muhammad had a number of black slaves.  One of them was named 'Mahran'.  Muhammad forced him to do more labor than the average man. Whenever Muhammad went on a trip and he, or his people, got tired of carrying their stuff, he made Mahran carry it.  Mahran said "Even if I were already carrying the load of 6 or 7 donkeys while we were on a journey, anyone who felt weak would throw his clothes or his shield or his sword on me so I would carry that, a heavy load".  Tabari and Jawziyya both record this, so Islam accepts this as true."

According to the Hughes Dictionary of Islam, slaves had few civil or legal rights.  For example:

a)Muslim men were allowed to have sex anytime with females slaves - Sura 4:3, 4:29, 33:49.

b)Slaves are as helpless before their masters as idols are before God - Sura 16:77

c)According to Islamic Tradition, people at the time of their capture were either to be killed, or enslaved.  Shows you that they were at the bottom of the barrel to start with.

d)According to Islamic jurisprudence, slaves were merchandise. The sales of slaves was in accordance with the sale of animals.

e)Muhammad ordered that some slaves who were freed by their master be RE-ENSLAVED!

f)It is permissible under Islamic law to whip slaves.

g)According to Islam, a Muslim could not be put to death for murdering a slave.  Ref. 2:178 and the Jalalayn confirm this.

h)According to Islam, the testimony of slaves is not admissible in court.  Ibn Timiyya and Bukhari state this.

i)According to Islamic jurisprudence, slaves cannot choose their own marriage mate. - Ibn Hazm, vol. 6, part 9.

j)According to Islamic jurisprudence, slaves can be forced to marry who their masters want. - Malik ibn Anas, vol. 2, page 155.

So, you can see for yourself slavery in Islam. When it pleases you you can choose to deceive us with what you've posted. But when you are with your folks you'll get excited about the "beauty" of slavery in Islam.

I will reply you when you decide to comment on those verses from Yahweh on slavery!
It simply shows you are prejudiced, biased and hypocrite/ stereotyped.

Question 1: did Abraham the father of faith marry Hagar the slave?

Question 2. Was there any claim of fornication/adultery on Abraham in the Bible for the act in 1 above?

Now what does Yahweh say on slavery?
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.
Leviticus 25:44-46

In the above you can see racism plus treating slaves as properties/inheritance!

Constitution guiding selling one's daughter as slave.
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.
Exodus 21:7-11

Punishment of Slaves
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.
Exodus 21:20-21

Question 3: is there any law from Yahweh/Jesus/Paul to free slaves?

advocatejare:
Unlike your Allah that claim he sniffed his spirit into into Maryam's vagina.

Holy Spirit coming on someone doesn't mean sexual intercourse

I laugh at your ignorance. Holy spirit coming upon people in the Bible had nothing to do with filthiness like your Allah, it means the power of God descended upon them:

Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

Acts 2:4
And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.

Holy Spirit came upon:
Othniel (Judges 3:9-10)

Gideon (Judges 6:34)

Epitaph (Judges 11:29)

Samson (Judges 13:25; 14:6, 19; 15:14)

Samuel (1 Samuel 10:6-10; 16:13-14)

Saul (1 Samuel 19:20-23)

David (1 Samuel 23:1).

And the word translated as "overshadow" is ἐπισκιάσει (episkiasei) which means to enveloped by God's glorious presence which was not the first place such word was used in the Bible to denote the presence of God and had nothing to do with sexual intercourse like your sexual immoral god.

ἐπισκιάσει was also used in matthew 17:5
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Luke 9:34
While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.

But same can't be said of your immoral god who boasted about blowing his spirit into a lady's vagina

Sura 21:91
Wa-allati [and who] ahsanat [guarded] farjaha [vágina] fanafakhnā [so we breathed] feeha [therein] min [of] ruhina [our spirit] waja [and we] alnāhā [made her] wa-ibnahā [and her son] ayatan [a sign/verse] lil’ʿālamīna [for the world].





You're ignorant. The word translated as slave is [ δοῦλος] which means servant.

Jesus didn't buy Paul like a commodity like Muhammad bought Bilal.

Jesus had died and resurrected before Paul became a follower of Jesus' teachings? So how could Jesus have bought him as a slave.

Your reasoning actually reveals why you left Christianity, you didn't know anything. You were just among the crowd, aimless church goer


That's not new, it was what Jesus preached throughout his ministry that he didn't come on his own, he was sent by his Father and that may Yahweh's will be done.

So you're only re echoing what we already know. Yahweh is the only true God and Jesus is His son that he sent to the world.




Neither Christ nor his disciples traded humans as slaves like Muhammad did.

If slave freeing was what Muhammad preached, why did he sell slaves and why didn't he free Bilal?

You cut these part off. Why?

Question 1: did Abraham the father of faith marry Hagar the slave?

Question 2. Was there any claim of fornication/adultery on Abraham in the Bible for the act in 1 above?

Now what does Yahweh say on slavery?
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.
Leviticus 25:44-46

In the above you can see racism plus treating slaves as properties/inheritance!

Constitution guiding selling one's daughter as slave.
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.
Exodus 21:7-11

Punishment of Slaves
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.
Exodus 21:20-21

Question 3: is there any law from Yahweh/Jesus/Paul to free slaves?

AntiChristian:


You cut these part off. Why?

Question 1: did Abraham the father of faith marry Hagar the slave?

Question 2. Was there any claim of fornication/adultery on Abraham in the Bible for the act in 1 above?

Now what does Yahweh say on slavery?
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.
Leviticus 25:44-46

In the above you can see racism plus treating slaves as properties/inheritance!

Constitution guiding selling one's daughter as slave.
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.
Exodus 21:7-11

Punishment of Slaves
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.
Exodus 21:20-21

Question 3: is there any law from Yahweh/Jesus/Paul to free slaves?

Jesus and Paul never bought slaves like Muhammad did.


I cut the Yahweh part off because it was irrelevant.

1. Because we were comparing the leaders of both Christianity and Islam and the lives they lived

2. Yahweh was the same God that Muhammad claimed he was serving. Yahweh is the same God of Israel that Muhammad form attachment to, so carry your questions concerning Yahweh to muhammad.

I will only address the issues you raised if you can accept that Allah is not Yahweh and that Muhammad was wrong to have said he was serving the same God of the Jews and that he was wrong to have said that the all the Jewish prophets and legends that served Yahweh served the same God he claimed he was also serving

AntiChristian:


I will reply you when you decide to comment on those verses

When you Moslems run to the Bible to attempt to validate your religion it only shows how deficient it is.

I quoted your sources to prove you wrong about Islam and slavery. Point out what your issue is with any of the portions you stated.