Should We Cancel Charles Darwin?
by Ken Ham on June 29, 2020



Most people are familiar with the “group shaming” concept of “cancel culture.” It’s defined as “the popular practice of withdrawing support for (i.e., cancelling) public figures and companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive.” Well, as people “cancel” celebrities and organizations for various things, including supposed racist statements, why haven’t they “cancelled” Charles Darwin?

A recent opinion piece by Peter Heck on the news site Disrn made this very argument—one I've been making in presentations and social media posts for a long time. Heck writes,

"Even by the most generous of measures, the intellectual and philosophical heritage of Charles Darwin is one of the most hideously racist legacies one can fathom. And yet, his inherently racist dogma is not only presented in public schools across America, it is state and federal policy that every student in America demonstrate proficiency in understanding and applying his dangerous ideology."

Yes, there is hypocrisy among individuals and institutions who claim they're against racism and remove statues or rename buildings—and yet exalt Darwin, a man who published in his book The Descent of Man and in various letters some of the most inherently racist material you could read! Of course, most people (including teachers and professors) have never read The Descent of Man or Darwin’s other writings.

In his book Ontogeny and Phylogeny, the late evolutionary biologist Stephen J. Gould wrote, “Biological arguments for racism may have been common before 1859, but they increased by orders of magnitude following the acceptance of evolutionary theory.” Yes, Darwin's ideas fuelled racism. Hitler (and his idea of a superior race) used Darwin’s writings to justify what he did to the Jews and others. In the 1900s in America, one of the main biology textbooks used in public schools, A Civic Biology by George Hunter, taught generations of American students, based on Darwin's ideas, that,

"At the present time there exist upon the earth five races . . . the highest type of all, the Caucasians, represented by the civilised white inhabitants of Europe and America."

Surely that alone should be enough to cause the "cancel culture" to ban Darwin from libraries, schools, and universities. But no! They won't touch Darwin because he is like a god to them. Why? Well, his ideas give people a supposed justification to reject God and do whatever they want with sex, determine “right” and “wrong” for themselves, have an abortion, and so on. Ultimately, it’s a spiritual issue!

Getting Answers to the US National Racism Crisis

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I discussed this today on Answers News with co hosts Avery Foley and Bodie Hodge. Answers News is our weekly news programme filmed live before a studio audience here at the Creation Museum and broadcast on my Facebook page and the Answers in Genesis Facebook page. We also covered the following topics:

• Should we tear down light-skinned images of Jesus?
• Why do women tend to give birth at night?
• A “life and death” election?

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Here some quotes from the book that shows the agenda of your the evolutionary fairytale:

"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes … will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla." -- Charles Darwin

"No rational man, cognizant of the facts, believes that the average negro is the equal, still less the superior, of the white man. And if this be true, it is simply incredible that, when all his disabilities are removed, and our prognathous relative has a fair field and no favor, as well as no oppressor, he will be able to compete successfully with his bigger-brained and smaller-jawed rival, in a contest which is to be carried on by thoughts and not by bites." -- Thomas Huxley

"The Negroid stock is even more ancient than the Caucasian and Mongolians, as may be proved by an examination not only of the brain, of the hair, of the bodily characteristics, but of the instincts, the intelligence. The standard of intelligence of the average adult Negro is similar to that of the eleven-year-old-youth of the species Homo sapiens." -- Henry Fairfield Osborn

I don't get it.
Even Einstein was racist towards the Chinese, but that still doesn't make his theories and contribution to physics any less valid. The only way to invalid them is to come up with an even better theory with better predictability and experiments to replace them.
Or to prove the theories wrong by experiments and better information.
Same applies to Darwin. His theory does not become invalid, because of his racism or how people used his theory. The only way to invalid the theory of evolution is to come up with an even better theory for the origin of species with better proof and evidence.
The physical world and the scientific method doesn't care about your feelings or beliefs. Just facts and data. How you want to interpret it is up to you.

The white man even used Christianity to justify racism and slavery, so therefore we should cancel Christianity and Jesus with that line of logic.

IMAliyu:


I don't get it.
Even Einstein was racist towards the Chinese, but that still doesn't make his theories and contribution to physics any less valid. The only way to invalid them is to come up with an even better theory with better predictability and experiments to replace them.
Or to prove the theories wrong by experiments and better information.

What's your evidence that Einstein was racist and make sure you point out what was racist in his science.

IMAliyu:


Same applies to Darwin. His theory does not become invalid, because of his racism or how people used his theory. The only way to invalid the theory of evolution is to come up with an even better theory for the origin of species with better proof and evidence.

Darwin's theory is not valid. The fact that they teach it as science does not make it scientific as it cannot be falsified or experimented upon. The fact that you've been brainwashed into believing that the white man comes from a superior race doesn't validate his fairytale. You have every right to believe that your ancestors come from monkeys or apelike creatures but I believe and know that man is created after his own kind.

IMAliyu:


The physical world and the scientific method doesn't care about your feelings or beliefs.

You are the one being sentimental here with no evidence to back up the claim that you are inferior to the whites.

IMAliyu:


The white man even used Christianity to justify racism and slavery, so therefore we should cancel Christianity and Jesus with that line of logic.

Racism is not compatible with Christianity, get your facts right.

Truth vs Fairytales

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I hate the CANCEL CULTURE much more than the people they cancel. Humans that exist in different times only act out what is obtainable at that time. That is why most white people at a particular time were racist because that was all they knew.

Afam4eva:


I hate the CANCEL CULTURE much more than the people they cancel. Humans that exist in different times only act out what is obtainable at that time. That is why most white people at a particular time were racist because that was all they knew.

Racism is evil in whatever culture but it is even diabolical when they tend to teach and enforce it as science.

OLAADEGBU:


Racism is evil in whatever culture but it is even diabolical when they tend to teach and enforce it as science.

Yet the bible insists that Jews are god's chosen people and therefore the superior race..Talk about hypocrisy

Bacteriologist:



Yet the bible insists that Jews are god's chosen people and therefore the superior race..Talk about hypocrisy

There is nothing like a superior race. There is only one race, the Adam race which we all know as the human race. That is the Bible which is confirmed by science.

OLAADEGBU:


What's your evidence that Einstein was racist and make sure you point out what was racist in his science.

Ok. Seems you misunderstood my point I don't state Einstein's science is racist and I don't believe any science is racist.
You separate the art from the artist.

"The Chinese, Einstein wrote, were “industrious” but also “filthy.” He described them as a “peculiar, herd-like nation often more like automatons than people.” Even though he only spent a few days in China, Einstein felt confident enough to cast judgment on the entire country and its inhabitants, at least in his private journal.
“It would be a pity if these Chinese supplant all other races,” Einstein wrote. “For the likes of us the mere thought is unspeakably dreary.”" https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/albertin-einstein-racist-xenophobic-views-travel-journal

His personal beliefs and commentary are to be viewed separately from his scientific theories.
And he is not accountable for how other people choose to use, understand or apply his equations and theories. Even though his equations were used in the creation of nuclear weapons that could end human existence. Where are the people canceling Einstein then?
And I apply the same view to Darwin, he may have been racist, and people may be using his ideas to justify their own atrocities, but that does not automatically equate to his theory of evolution and natural selection being false.

Darwin's theory is not valid. The fact that they teach it as science does not make it scientific as it cannot be falsified or experimented upon.

Could you explain why you think his theory is not valid?
And do you think Creationism is falsifiable and can be experimented upon?
Natural selection is something that has been and can be observed happening. Just like how the current Corona virus or ebola virus jumped from infecting only a specific species to another, Or how humans caused the speciation of dogs from wolfs through domestication, Or why people on the planet that live closer to the equator and are exposed to more harmful UV radiation have darker skin than those that don't, Or how antibiotic resistant bacteria have been observed, because of the over use of antibiotics by people, Or pesticide-resistant Insects whenever a pesticide is used, certain insects will develop immunity to it and those insects will reproduce. This happens very quickly, within a few generations, since the generation length for insects is short. etc. It is the process of nature randomly selecting the characteristics that is the best for the survival of that organism. Now I won't claim to know the driving force behind Natural selection and evolution, you could even argue that it's God (I'm not an atheist btw)

Darwin's theories are held as 'scientific theories' (Google the definition) and not a just a theory in the layman's meaning of the word.

The fact that you've been brainwashed into believing that the white man comes from a superior race doesn't validate his fairytale. You have every right to believe that your ancestors come from monkeys or apelike creatures but I believe and know that man is created after his own kind.

You are the one being sentimental here with no evidence to back up the claim that you are inferior to the whites.

It seems you are the one that is concerned and views himself to be inferior to another race. Their exists no such thing as a superior race.

Racism, is just an extension of tribalism and historically any victorious conquering group seems to thinks they are superior to the group they conquered. Plenty of tribes believe they are superior to the other and will use anything they can find to justify that view. Through the manipulation of facts, religion or any other devices they can find.

On the subject of the racist that believe they are more "evolved" than others. There is nothing in the theory of evolution that that suggests or proves such. Because the idea of 'being more evolved' would imply that evolution has an end target (it doesn't) which is a wrong understanding people have. It's just survival pressure, opportunity seeking and adaption to your environment, we are all humans one species. Anyone can make the argument that a particular race is superior to another in a particular field due to genetics differences and advantages, but to base the value of a person on their innate traits and not the quality of their character is just plain stupid and looking to justify ones tribalism.

Racism is not compatible with Christianity, get your facts right.

Don't you think the idea of the Jewish people being the only chosen people by God imply they are to be superior to all others?
Don't you think there was something wrong with how white slave master and colonialists imposed their religion and white Jesus onto black people?
The slave masters used the Bible to support their actions.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5171819/christianity-slavery-book-excerpt/%3famp=true
All the major Abrahamic religions in fact have been used to oppress certain groups of people at some point in history. So where are the people looking to cancel them?
(Let's not stop at Darwin let's go after everyone /s)

OLAADEGBU:


There is nothing like a superior race. There is only one race, the Adam race which we all know as the human race. That is the Bible which is confirmed by science.

Christian lying as usual.

Deuteronomy 14:2, "For you are a holy people to YHWH your God, and God has CHOSEN you to be HIS TREASURED people from all the nations that are on the face of the earth."


MANY times in the bible could any HONEST reader see that the Israelites got special treatment from god. For no reason other than them being Israelites. Racial supremacy at its finest.


In fact the very storyline that black people in Africa need a white saviour from the middle east says it all. Your god is a racist.

Bacteriologist:


Christian lying as usual.

Deuteronomy 14:2, "For you are a holy people to YHWH your God, and God has CHOSEN you to be HIS TREASURED people from all the nations that are on the face of the earth."


MANY times in the bible could any HONEST reader see that the Israelites got special treatment from god. For no reason other than them being Israelites. Racial supremacy at its finest.


In fact the very storyline that black people in Africa need a white saviour from the middle east says it all. Your god is a racist.

Do you even believe this God exists? If you do then be prepared to give Him a piece of your mind if you have any.

IMAliyu:

Ok. Seems you misunderstood my point.
You separate the art from the artist.

"The Chinese, Einstein wrote, were “industrious” but also “filthy.” He described them as a “peculiar, herd-like nation often more like automatons than people.” Even though he only spent a few days in China, Einstein felt confident enough to cast judgment on the entire country and its inhabitants, at least in his private journal.
“It would be a pity if these Chinese supplant all other races,” Einstein wrote. “For the likes of us the mere thought is unspeakably dreary.”" https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/albertin-einstein-racist-xenophobic-views-travel-journal

His personal beliefs and commentary are to be viewed separately from his scientific theories.
And he is not accountable for how other people choose to use, understand or apply his equations and theories. Even though his equations were used in the creation of nuclear weapons that could end human existence. Where are the people canceling Einstein then?
And I apply the same view to Darwin, he may have been racist, and people may be using his ideas to justify their own atrocities, but that does not automatically equate to his theory of evolution and natural selection being false.

No one is claiming that Einstein was a saint, what we are interested in is that he is not using science as a smokescreen for racism.

IMAliyu:


Could you explain why his theory is not valid?
And do you think Creationism is falsifiable and can be experimented upon?
Natural selection is something that has been and can be observed happening. Just like how the current Corona virus or ebola virus jumped from infecting only a specific species to another, Or how humans caused the speciation of dogs from wolfs through domestication, Or why people on the planet that live closer to the equator and are exposed to more harmful UV radiation have darker skin than those that don't, Or how antibiotic resistant bacteria have been observed, because of the over use of antibiotics by people, Or pesticide-resistant Insects whenever a pesticide is used, certain insects will develop immunity to it and those insects will reproduce. This happens very quickly, within a few generations, since the generation length for insects is short. etc. It is the process of nature randomly selecting the characteristics that is the best for the survival of that organism. Now I won't claim to know the driving force behind Natural selection, you could even argue that it's God (I'm not an atheist btw)

Darwin's theories are held as 'scientific theories' (Google the definition) and not a just a theory in the layman's meaning of the word.

Natural selection, adaptation and mutation are not Darwinian evolution and yet this kind of evolutionary theory has been used as an excuse for racism.

IMAliyu:


It seems you are the one that is concerned and views himself to be inferior to another race.

Racism, is just an extension of tribalism and historically any victorious conquering group seems to thinks they are superior to the group they conquered. Plenty of tribes believe they are superior to the other and will use anything they can find to justify that view. Through the manipulation of facts, religion or any other devices they can find.

Racism and tribalism cannot be defended scientifically the way Darwin used his theory that you all believe now as science. If you believe in Darwinian theory of evolution then you are saying that the black man is inferior to the Caucasian.

IMAliyu:


On the subject of the racist that believe they are more "evolved" than others. There is nothing in the theory of evolution that that suggests or proves such. Because the idea of 'being more evolved' would imply that evolution has an end target (it doesn't) which is a wrong understanding people have. It's just survival pressure, opportunity seeking and adaption to your environment, but we are all humans one species. Anyone can make the argument that a particular race is superior to another in a particular field due to genetics difference and advantages, but to base the value of a person on their innate traits and not the quality of their character is just plain stupid and looking to justify ones tribalism.

Adaptation is not evolution, they are apples and oranges.

IMAliyu:


Don't you think the idea of the Jewish people being the only chosen people by God imply they are to be superior to all others?
Don't you think there was something wrong with how white slave master and colonialists imposed their religion and white Jesus onto black people?
The slave masters used the Bible to support their actions.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5171819/christianity-slavery-book-excerpt/%3famp=true
All the major Abrahamic religions in fact have been used to oppress certain groups of people at some point in history. So where are the people looking to cancel them?
(Let's not stop at Darwin let's go after everyone /s)

Will you call a father who chooses one of his children to distribute some sweets to the rest a racist or bias? What stops the Creator of the human race from choosing one nation to bless the rest of the world?

OLAADEGBU:


Do you even believe this God exists? If you do then be prepared to give Him a piece of your mind if you have any.

Good deflection tactics.

Christianity holds the view that Israelites have a higher status than the rest of the world's people. That is racism. Your religion supports racism.

Bacteriologist:


Good deflection tactics.

Christianity holds the view that Israelites have a higher status than the rest of the world's people. That is racism. Your religion supports racism.

See why racism is incompatible with Christianity here

OLAADEGBU:


See why racism is incompatible with Christianity here

How is racism not part of god's nature when god time and time again treats Jews better than people of other races and tribes? Because of no other reason than "you are my chosen people?"

OLAADEGBU:


Natural selection, adaptation and mutation are not Darwinian evolution and yet this kind of evolutionary theory has been used as an excuse for racism.

You didn't answer my questions.
A definition of evolution.
"Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations. These characteristics are the expressions of genes that are passed on from parent to offspring during reproduction. Different characteristics tend to exist within any given population as a result of mutation, genetic recombination and other sources of genetic variation. Evolution occurs when evolutionary processes such as natural selection (including sexual selection) and genetic drift act on this variation, resulting in certain characteristics becoming more common or rare within a population."
Natural selection, adaptation and mutation are themselves individually not evolution, but they are part of it.

Racism and tribalism cannot be defended scientifically the way Darwin used his theory that you all believe now as science. If you believe in Darwinian theory of evolution then you are saying that the black man is inferior to the Caucasian.

I don't remember while learning biology and evolution anywhere when I was told the white man is superior to the black man.
Darwin had his own beliefs on race no doubt, but no respected evolutionary biologist holds or perpetrates darwin's belief on race, because his belief on race was based on the opinion of the time and not science. (You separate the wheat from the chaff)
You seem to have a different definition of evolution. Could maybe define what you think it is?

The idea of superiority is a self centered one. You would have to be specific in the claims of superiority.
If you were to believe in the IQ argument, then east Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are the superior race not white people (Jews are middle Eastern not European), or if you were to look at athletic sports (Basketball and Running specifically) Black people would be superior in it not white people. Or how Nigerians are the most successful immigrant group in the USA, so should we claim to be superior?
The claims of superiority is all unsubstantiated bs.
As I pointed in the previous post. There is no such thing as 'more evolved' because evolution has no target. We are all just humans, it's when we bring our tribal sentiment and inferiority complex into things we start to make confirmation biases. The racists among the white man wanted to believe they were the superior humans so they picked and choose the facts to show that they are superior, nothing more any race could do it.

Adaptation is not evolution, they are apples and oranges.

See reply to the first quote.

Will you call a father who chooses one of his children to distribute some sweets to the rest a racist or bias? What stops the Creator of the human race from choosing one nation to bless the rest of the world?

A fair and all powerful God/father could easily just call the children one by one and give it them also couldn't he?

A sidenote. I'm not a fan of Darwin, but I'm over here trying to defend some of his contribution to science, because this cancel culture bs is trying to rare it's ugly head into STEM.

Canceling Darwin changes nothing about what the science has proven. So go ahead advocate for Darwin's statutes to be taken down but you'll not take down evolution without proving your creationism.

Cancelling people is worthless. If you study history well and see how men that were hated and bad mouthed like Adolf Hitler and Casanova are being worshiped and idolized now, our grand children might even see R Kelly as a model or a victim and wipe away his sins. That's because they will have their own problems and will not see things the same as us

Bacteriologist:


How is racism not part of god's nature when god time and time again treats Jews better than people of other races and tribes? Because of no other reason than "you are my chosen people?"

Did you click on the hyperlink I suggested?

IMAliyu:


You didn't answer my questions.
A definition of evolution.
"Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations. These characteristics are the expressions of genes that are passed on from parent to offspring during reproduction. Different characteristics tend to exist within any given population as a result of mutation, genetic recombination and other sources of genetic variation. Evolution occurs when evolutionary processes such as natural selection (including sexual selection) and genetic drift act on this variation, resulting in certain characteristics becoming more common or rare within a population."
Natural selection, adaptation and mutation are themselves individually not evolution, but they are part of it.

What is the driving force behind the process of this evolution?

IMAliyu:


I don't remember while learning biology and evolution anywhere when I was told the white man is superior to the black man.
Darwin had his own beliefs on race no doubt, but no respected evolutionary biologist holds or perpetrates darwin's belief on race, because his belief on race was based on the opinion of the time and not science. (You separate the wheat from the chaff)
You seem to have a different definition of evolution. Could maybe define what you think it is?

Evolution to my understanding means the change of nonliving things into living things. From simple living things into complex living things and finally into human beings. It is also taught and believed that natural selection and mutation drives this kind of change. This to me is not science, it is a belief.

IMAliyu:


The idea of superiority is a self centered one. You would have to be specific in the claims of superiority.
If you were to believe in the IQ argument, then east Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are the superior race not white people (Jews are middle Eastern not European), or if you were to look at athletic sports (Basketball and Running specifically) Black people would be superior in it not white people. Or how Nigerians are the most successful immigrant group in the USA, so should we claim to be superior?
The claims of superiority is all unsubstantiated bs.

When they say that you are predisposed to athletic sports what they are saying subliminally is that you are closer to an animal that can run. Are you more intelligent than animals that can run? Why don't they say that you have a high IQ than the Caucasians? The moment you accept that categorisation you have accepted your inferiority.

IMAliyu:


As I pointed in the previous post. There is no such thing as 'more evolved' because evolution has no target. We are all just humans, it's when we bring our tribal sentiment and inferiority complex into things we start to make confirmation biases. The racists among the white man wanted to believe they were the superior humans so they picked and choose the facts to show that they are superior, nothing more any race could do it.

My point is that racism was fuelled by the Darwin's theory of evolution and this has been forced on us in all institutions as a scientific fact.

IMAliyu:


A fair and all powerful God/father could easily just call the children one by one and give it them also couldn't he?

Yes He could but did not, you got any problem with that? Are you insinuating that you are wiser than God?

IMAliyu:


A sidenote. I'm not a fan of Darwin, but I'm over here trying to defend some of his contribution to science, because this cancel culture bs is trying to rare it's ugly head into STEM.

The cancel culture are just being hypocritical and inconsistent. If they were sincere they could have cancelled the likes of Darwin and Margaret Sangar for their racist ideologies which are being embraced today.

OLAADEGBU:


What is the driving force behind the process of this evolution?

Similar to why the big bang happened or why gravity pulls downwards and not the other way around, we don't know. You could make a perfectly convincing argument that God or an intelligence made things to operate that way.

Evolution to my understanding means the change of nonliving things into living things. From simple living things into complex living things and finally into human beings. It is also taught and believed that natural selection and mutation drives this kind of change. This to me is not science, it is a belief.

The definition relatively accurate.
No one really understands how non living matter turns into living things (the limitation of science, on one can explain the driving force behind it) but it's an observable thing. Leave clean water in a bucket, in a place with energy(heat) like under the sink, next to a heater or under the sun for a long enough period of time and see how life(moss, alge) emerges from it.
You're allowed to have your opinion, however that's not the consensus in the life sciences.
Thesame problem would apply to creationism, which is based on faith.

When they say that you are predisposed to athletic sports what they are saying subliminally is that you are closer to an animal that can run. Are you more intelligent than animals that can run? Why don't they say that you have a high IQ than the Caucasians? The moment you accept that categorisation you have accepted your inferiority.

So what?
Are you going to let the statements of someone define who you are and what you can do?
How many black people have shown that it's possible to do anything athletic and intellectual if you put your mind and effort into it. The number of successful African immigrants proves it, (or are they all running around naked like monkeys in the street?),
On the subject of IQ. IQ defines how fast you can learn a new skill or concept, but not how well you can apply that skill or manipulate the concept after learning it. It's not the all encompassing measure of intelligence or value. And environmental conditions, such as diet, pollution and socio-economic status etc. have been proven to affect the IQ of people.
I've seen people in Uni that only study the night before a test/exams, and score among the top of the class and others that need to study the the whole year. Natural variations in innate traits between people is not a big deal it's normal.
Even in Nigeria it's a common belief that the igbo man is really good at businesses, that doesn't imply hausa man or Yoruba man are inferior or that they can't choose to compete with them in such industry.

My point is that racism was fuelled by the Darwin's theory of evolution and this has been forced on us in all institutions as a scientific fact.

Alright.

Yes He could but did not, you got any problem with that? Are you insinuating that you are wiser than God?

You've put me in a position where I have to be blasphemous here.
So If we are made in the image of the Christian God and this God gave us intelligence and the capacity for wisdom so that we could understand him and his ways, then he's doing a bad job of getting people to understand him.
He favored only one group and decided to give them the only way to salvation, while our ancestors and (the American, Australian and Asian Aboriginals) were worshiping their own gods and had never heard of the Jews or their ways until the white man conquered us and imposed his faith on us. So all those billions of people are damned because of a message that never reached them (on time)? I find it hard to believe a wise, fair, just and all powerful God would do things in such a broken manner.
And don't get me started on the original sin and sacrifice.
And not only that how should we go about determining if the Jews are truly God's chosen people and not just another claim to feel superior by another tribe?

The cancel culture are just being hypocritical and inconsistent. If they were sincere they could have cancelled the likes of Darwin and Margaret Sangar for their racist ideologies which are being embraced today.

The cancel culture, I don't really care for, but I don't like it when any political movement tries to interfere with the core sciences. Just a few weeks ago I remember a trending topic which was #ShutdownSTEM because there are not enough black people in the sciences and they just automatically attributed it to racism, without proof to show that the reason is actually racism and not that black people just have lower interest in the scientific research(do you really just want to waste your life in a lab?) or that because they come from financially poor backgrounds and get poor access and introduction into the sciences. The hypocrisy is that these same people want researchers to find a cure for the coronavirus and want newer better iPhones and technology, but want to shut down the sciences at the same time.

OLAADEGBU:



Darwin's theory is not valid. The fact that they teach it as science does not make it scientific as it cannot be falsified or experimented upon. The fact that you've been brainwashed into believing that the white man comes from a superior race doesn't validate his fairytale. You have every right to believe that your ancestors come from monkeys or apelike creatures but I believe and know that man is created after his own kind.

Religion's claims are not valid. The fact that they teach it as globally does not make it fact as it cannot be falsified or experimented upon.

The fact that you've been brainwashed into believing that your religion is superior to others doesn't validate it's fairytale.

You have every right to believe that your ancestors come from Adam and eve but I think the only valid explanation at the moment is that man evolved .


Your write up is perfectly applicable to religion.

OLAADEGBU:

Lol! So people believe in evolution to avoid your god and His religion?

Many people (including me) don't really care about whether evolution is right or wrong, yet rejected your god and His religion. How about that

IMAliyu:

Similar to why the big bang happened or why gravity pulls downwards and not the other way around, we don't know. You could make a perfectly convincing argument that God or an intelligence made things to operate...

May wisdom never depart from you and yours. Amen

No need arguing with the OP, he has chosen his path, he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

IMAliyu:


Similar to why the big bang happened or why gravity pulls downwards and not the other way around, we don't know. You could make a perfectly convincing argument that God or an intelligence made things to operate that way.

You don't know, why then do they teach that evolution is driven by natural selection and mutation?

IMAliyu:


The definition relatively accurate.
No one really understands how non living matter turns into living things (the limitation of science, on one can explain the driving force behind it) but it's an observable thing. Leave clean water in a bucket, in a place with energy(heat) like under the sink, next to a heater or under the sun for a long enough period of time and see how life(moss, alge) emerges from it.
You're allowed to have your opinion, however that's not the consensus in the life sciences.
Thesame problem would apply to creationism, which is based on faith.

Where have you observed a simple life form changing into a complex life form?

IMAliyu:


So what?
Are you going to let the statements of someone define who you are and what you can do?
How many black people have shown that it's possible to do anything athletic and intellectual if you put your mind and effort into it. The number of successful African immigrants proves it, (or are they all running around naked like monkeys in the street?),
On the subject of IQ. IQ defines how fast you can learn a new skill or concept, but not how well you can apply that skill or manipulate the concept after learning it. It's not the all encompassing measure of intelligence or value. And environmental conditions, such as diet, pollution and socio-economic status etc. have been proven to affect the IQ of people.
I've seen people in Uni that only study the night before a test/exams, and score among the top of the class and others that need to study the the whole year. Natural variations in innate traits between people is not a big deal it's normal.
Even in Nigeria it's a common belief that the igbo man is really good at businesses, that doesn't imply hausa man or Yoruba man are inferior or that they can't choose to compete with them in such industry.

I repeat, natural selection, mutations or variations are not the same as evolution. Neither is evolution the same thing as science. The only way I will accept evolution as science is if you are talking about the different interpretation of science; Evolutionary theory and creation science.

IMAliyu:


Alright.

IMAliyu:


You've put me in a position where I have to be blasphemous here.
So If we are made in the image of the Christian God and this God gave us intelligence and the capacity for wisdom so that we could understand him and his ways, then he's doing a bad job of getting people to understand him.

For you to arrive at that conclusion you will need to have perfect knowledge.

IMAliyu:


He favored only one group and decided to give them the only way to salvation, while our ancestors and (the American, Australian and Asian Aboriginals) were worshiping their own gods and had never heard of the Jews or their ways until the white man conquered us and imposed his faith on us. So all those billions of people are damned because of a message that never reached them (on time)? I find it hard to believe a wise, fair, just and all powerful God would do things in such a broken manner.
And don't get me started on the original sin and sacrifice.
And not only that how should we go about determining if the Jews are truly God's chosen people and not just another claim to feel superior by another tribe?

We should bother ourselves with the multitude going to hell today even after the perfect sacrifice had been made. As for others God has those bases covered. There is only one standard that needs to be met and that is that the just shall live by his faith. The question is your faith based on a solid rock or is it built on sinking sand?

IMAliyu:


The cancel culture, I don't really care for, but I don't like it when any political movement tries to interfere with the core sciences. Just a few weeks ago I remember a trending topic which was #ShutdownSTEM because there are not enough black people in the sciences and they just automatically attributed it to racism, without proof to show that the reason is actually racism and not that black people just have lower interest in the scientific research(do you really just want to waste your life in a lab?) or that because they come from financially poor backgrounds and get poor access and introduction into the sciences. The hypocrisy is that these same people want researchers to find a cure for the coronavirus and want newer better iPhones and technology, but want to shut down the sciences at the same time.

Agreed. Systemic racism is when the teach blacks in Western schools that they are good at sports and entertainment thereby promoting a culture that doesn't appreciate education, especially science. Racism makes these Democrats/liberal Governments to decimate the black family and populate the prison by making the man economically irrelevant and unavailable in the family thus making their children depend on the Government for welfare and ready to jump when they want them to vote Democrats at election time.

Xmuslim:


Religion's claims are not valid. The fact that they teach it as globally does not make it fact as it cannot be falsified or experimented upon.

The fact that you've been brainwashed into believing that your religion is superior to others doesn't validate it's fairytale.

You have every right to believe that your ancestors come from Adam and eve but I think the only valid explanation at the moment is that man evolved .


Your write up is perfectly applicable to religion.

Evolution is also a religion because it is based on faith not facts.

Xmuslim:


Lol! So people believe in evolution to avoid your god and His religion?

Many people (including me) don't really care about whether evolution is right or wrong, yet rejected your god and His religion. How about that

I am not surprised.

OLAADEGBU:


You don't know, why then do they teach that evolution is driven by natural selection and mutation?

Caused by them, but not the driving force behind it, like why it exists.
You can understand the process and nature of something, but not why it occurs.
An example was my analogy with gravity, we can measure it and understand how to works (enough to put satellites into orbit) or maybe even come up with a theory to give a potential explanation of where it comes from (general relatively), but not why/how it exists.
Another different analogy is consciousness. We can study the brain and understand the function of each part of the brain, how memories from, what causes emotions and even understand it's quantum processing nature, but still don't know what gives rise to consciousness, why/how it exists. Similar to the origin of the universe.
And to me that's where God lays. It is where if there is a creator, that's where we can find him/it and if we could figure it (mathematically, or another way) out that's where we can empirically prove his existence or lack thereof.

Where have you observed a simple life form changing into a complex life form?

Don't know about that. We could start the experiment today, but we'd be long turned to dust before we could get an answer.
However, here is an article on how a single celled organism(alge) was observed to had turned into multicellular organisms in the span in of 50 weeks 750 generations
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-have-witnessed-in-real-time-a-single-celled-algae-evolve-into-a-multicellular-organism/amp

I repeat, natural selection, mutations or variations are not the same as evolution. Neither is evolution the same thing as science. The only way I will accept evolution as science is if you are talking about the different interpretation of science; Evolutionary theory and creation science.

To each their own I guess. You've made your mind up and nothing I'll say will change that.
You can criticize the theory of evolution and it could turn out to be wrong with better evidence and theorising in the future, however you would still posses the burden of proof (in the physical and observable world) to show that creationism is real.

For you to arrive at that conclusion you will need to have perfect knowledge.

We should bother ourselves with the multitude going to hell today even after the perfect sacrifice had been made. As for others God has those bases covered. There is only one standard that needs to be met and that is that the just shall live by his faith. The question is your faith based on a solid rock or is it built on sinking sand?

Ok, this is another area we will never agree on. And would become a long back and forth on why the sacrifice was ever needed in the first place and why you are so sure that Christianity is even the truth and not Buddhism or Zoroastrianism. I'm sure there are other threads for that.

Agreed. Systemic racism is when the teach blacks in Western schools that they are good at sports and entertainment thereby promoting a culture that doesn't appreciate education, especially science. Racism makes these Democrats/liberal Governments to decimate the black family and populate the prison by making the man economically irrelevant and unavailable in the family thus making their children depend on the Government for welfare and ready to jump when they want them to vote Democrats at election time.

This I'm in perfect agreement with.

IMAliyu:


Caused by them, but not the driving force behind it, like why it exists.
You can understand the process and nature of something, but not why it occurs.
An example was my analogy with gravity, we can measure it and understand how to works (enough to put satellites into orbit) or maybe even come up with a theory to give a potential explanation of where it comes from (general relatively), but not why/how it exists.
Another different analogy is consciousness. We can study the brain and understand the function of each part of the brain, how memories from, what causes emotions and even understand it's quantum processing nature, but still don't know what gives rise to consciousness, why/how it exists. Similar to the origin of the universe.
And to me that's where God lays. It is where if there is a creator, that's where we can find him/it and if we could figure it (mathematically, or another way) out that's where we can empirically prove his existence or lack thereof.

Could the process of natural selection cause the increase in genetic information necessary for evolution?

IMAliyu:


Don't know about that. We could start the experiment today, but we'd be long turned to dust before we could get an answer.
However, here is an article on how a single celled organism(alge) was observed to had turned into multicellular organisms in the span in of 50 weeks 750 generations
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-have-witnessed-in-real-time-a-single-celled-algae-evolve-into-a-multicellular-organism/amp

What is the process that caused the increase in the genetic information of a single celled organism to a multicellular organism?

IMAliyu:


To each their own I guess. You've made your mind up and nothing I'll say will change that.
You can criticize the theory of evolution and it could turn out to be wrong with better evidence and theorising in the future, however you would still posses the burden of proof (in the physical and observable world) to show that creationism is real.

Creation science as opposed to creationism shows how the Bible's account of creation is congruent with what we observe today. According to the Bible God created all living things according to their kinds, that is, cats would only give give birth to cats, dogs gives birth to dogs, cows give birth to cows and the human race (Adam race) would only give birth to human beings. This is what we observe today. We have not observed ape-like creatures giving birth to humans and there has never been any scientific fact to show that one kind of animal has ever turned into a different kind of animal. Therefore, God's word is confirmed by true science.

IMAliyu:


Ok, this is another area we will never agree on. And would become a long back and forth on why the sacrifice was ever needed in the first place and why you are so sure that Christianity is even the truth and not Buddhism or Zoroastrianism. I'm sure there are other threads for that.

Even though I see Evolution as a religion as it has to be believed but Christianity is the only true religion that has a resurrected Saviour.

IMAliyu:


This I'm in perfect agreement with.

Cool.

OLAADEGBU:


I am not surprised.

slippery slope fallacy