AmuDimpka:


My dear your anology is wrong very wrong... You mistake EU (which is man made ) with ethnicity which is Natural

Try again ! I am not particularly about ikwerre being Igbo or not ! Trust me it doesn't change anything to the Igbo ... Or even ikwerre

We just have to put things in proper perspective and stop being emotional ikwerre just like Nkwerre , Okwelle are Igbo sub group ... Period it is not debatable

What you can talk is if they decide to be on their own? Oh yes they have that right because nobody would force them ... But that still doesn't change the fact that they are igboid

Xenowerk4000:

Actually , the Ikwerre people prefer to identify as 'Ikwerre ethnic nationality ' and not as a subgroup of Igbo . You can't force an identity on them . Ikwerre people generally hate being called 'Igbo' and most of them just want to be left alone .

Igboid:


Whether you like it or not. Igbo is a conglomerate of related yet independent tribes and towns who are united by mutually intelligible dialects of a language that runs in a continuum as you travel the length and breadth of the area and by common culture, history and life outlook.

If any tribe in this conglomerate wants to pull away and stand on its own. Then it's free to do so. But it must be ensured that they by no means benefit from the Union by the rest of the tribes that choose to stay with the union.

As Ikwerre on the majority have decided that they are better of without the Igbo union. It is the duty of the rest of the remaining tribes in the union to ensure that no Ikwerre person under any guise or form benefits from the union, since Ikwerre don't contribute to the union.
This would mean that no Ikwerre persons should be allowed to identify as Igbo or represent Igbo.

If for any reason an Ikwerre person likes the Igbo union and wants Ikwerre to be a member. Such Ikwerre person must take his fight to the floor of apex Ikwerre organization, the Ogbakor Ikwerre and win the battle there by making them accept wholly Ikwerre commitment and membershipbof the Igbo union by issuing a public notice.
If he can't win the battle against the Ogbakor Ikwerre, then such person should get his own town union , for example Elele town union, to publicly announce dissociation with Ogbakor Ikwerre and all she represents and reaffirm commitment to the Igbo nation.

Only after this, would an Elele man be fully accepted as an Igbo and accorded full rights as nwafor.

Of course. Elele people will not do this. They will simply toy with your small brains, telling you they are Igbos, while they remain fully represented in Ogbakor Ikwerre, a well known Igbo phobic and anti Igbo organization.


This is not rocket science. It's about time Ndiigbo stopped sentimentality and embrace pragmatism.

AmuDimpka:


LoL..
Funny guy Onu is mouth (Spokesman ). .. in Igbo and has nothing to do with Yoruba ... Also what about the kind name and the names of town president

You must be one of these Creek boys ... I don't think you are intellectual sound to have this conversation... You are sentimental and I don't deal with sentiments. I say the truth

kingzizzy:


Anybody can claim any identity they want, thats not the issue. The issue is the reality on the ground. Someone speaks Igbo as his ancestral language and has an Igbo surname. If the person then turns around to say they are not Igbo, they need to explain where they got their Igbo language and surname from

Igboid:




Onu in Igala is a cognate of Olu in Yoruba. It's nothing to do with voice.

Go and research it.
Igala is not called a Yoruboid language for no reason.

AmuDimpka:


Oga nobody is forcing ikwere not to pull out! You are sounding agtated here.... Please who are the majority that agreed on this pull out? Is it the Ubima, the Elele, The Ogba , the Choba where exactly was that agreement made
You guys just talk anyhow

Beside that we in Nnewi don't even care if they pull out or not... We are doing far fr better

Have a better day

Igboid:


I don't know who you are fighting.
I'm an Igbo from Idemili North Anambra. And we over here don't also care about Ikwerre.

But we reasonably would not want an Ikwerre from Elele whose people are part of the Igbophobic Ogbakor Ikwerre organization, taking the Igbo tag as and when they feel like.

Their must be a certain level of rigidity attached to who should and who shouldn't be called Igbo.

You can't have an Ikwerre whose people are anti Igbo allowed free access to Igbo tag. It's an insult to our intelligence and takes away any prestige the Igbo tag has.
Ohanaeze are a bunch of unserious people , which is exactly why they have Ikwerres in their midst.
Little wonder they are not in anyway interested in protecting Igbo interests. Because if they do, then judgement must start from home, and that means expelling Ikwerres and other Bininods in their midst from the group.

A group should have a strict membership to hold any relevance. As it stands. Ndiigbo have none, which shouldn't be so.
But some of us are trying our best to correct that mistake by jolting our people back to their senses.

Igboid:


Whether you like it or not. Igbo is a conglomerate of related yet independent tribes and towns who are united by mutually intelligible dialects of a language that runs in a continuum as you travel the length and breadth of the area and by common culture, history and life outlook.

If any tribe in this conglomerate wants to pull away and stand on its own. Then it's free to do so. But it must be ensured that they by no means benefit from the Union by the rest of the tribes that choose to stay with the union.

As Ikwerre on the majority have decided that they are better of without the Igbo union. It is the duty of the rest of the remaining tribes in the union to ensure that no Ikwerre person under any guise or form benefits from the union, since Ikwerre don't contribute to the union.
This would mean that no Ikwerre persons should be allowed to identify as Igbo or represent Igbo.

If for any reason an Ikwerre person likes the Igbo union and wants Ikwerre to be a member. Such Ikwerre person must take his fight to the floor of apex Ikwerre organization, the Ogbakor Ikwerre and win the battle there by making them accept wholly Ikwerre commitment and membershipbof the Igbo union by issuing a public notice.
If he can't win the battle against the Ogbakor Ikwerre, then such person should get his own town union , for example Elele town union, to publicly announce dissociation with Ogbakor Ikwerre and all she represents and reaffirm commitment to the Igbo nation.

Only after this, would an Elele man be fully accepted as an Igbo and accorded full rights as nwafor.

Of course. Elele people will not do this. They will simply toy with your small brains, telling you they are Igbos, while they remain fully represented in Ogbakor Ikwerre, a well known Igbo phobic and anti Igbo organization.


This is not rocket science. It's about time Ndiigbo stopped sentimentality and embrace pragmatism.

MelesZenawi:



My town union is even more powerful than Oranaeze ndigbo.

AmuDimpka:


Lies big lies... I live in Lagos and I speak Yoruba ... Mouth is called Enu not Onu so stop this madness .. and in Igbo Enu is. Different word meaning up

So Onu Ebu means the speaker or the spokesperson of Ebu and he bears igbo ne and Onu means spokesperson or mouthpiece of a person
.. Igbo bear that name example Ohbonnaya Onu

Show me one Igala man that bears the name Onu then I can take you serious .. if you can't ... Can you remain silent forever?

MelesZenawi:



My town union is even more powerful than Oranaeze ndigbo.

Igboid:


I don't know who you are fighting.
I'm an Igbo from Idemili North Anambra. And we over here don't also care about Ikwerre.

But we reasonably would not want an Ikwerre from Elele whose people are part of the Igbophobic Ogbakor Ikwerre organization, taking the Igbo tag as and when they feel like.

Their must be a certain level of rigidity attached to who should and who shouldn't be called Igbo.

You can't have an Ikwerre whose people are anti Igbo allowed free access to Igbo tag. It's an insult to our intelligence and takes away any prestige the Igbo tag has.
Ohanaeze are a bunch of unserious people , which is exactly why they have Ikwerres in their midst.
Little wonder they are not in anyway interested in protecting Igbo interests. Because if they do, then judgement must start from home, and that means expelling Ikwerres and other Bininods in their midst from the group.

A group should have a strict membership to hold any relevance. As it stands. Ndiigbo have none, which shouldn't be so.
But some of us are trying our best to correct that mistake by jolting our people back to their senses.

AmuDimpka:
yet we don't even know the name of that so called town union... Where is it in the map!

Well... Sometimes when animals with horns are called , snails pops up once in a while


We have heard you loud and clear
.good day

kingzizzy:


Anybody can claim any identity they want, thats not the issue. The issue is the reality on the ground. Someone speaks Igbo as his ancestral language and has an Igbo surname. If the person then turns around to say they are not Igbo, they need to explain where they got their Igbo language and surname from

Igboid:


Voice in Igala is "Ukomu" and not "Onu".

Onu in Igala has nothing to do with voice or spokes person. This whole argument is becoming redundant.

I never said that Igbos don't bear onu. But you have to know that Onu as found in Ogbonnaya onu, Onuora (people's voice) , Onunkwo( Voice of Nkwo) OnuIgbo( Voice of Igbo), etc.
Is not pronounced like the Onu in Onu Ebu and they don't have same meaning.

Xenowerk4000:


I understand you perfectly but the mindset of Ikwerre people today which was imparted on them by their fathers' who wanted to dissociate from the Igbo ethnic group has done a lot of damage . They are filled with so much hate and anyone who calls them 'Igbo' is automatically an enemy . Most of them think that Igbos are after their land/seaport and feel insecure and Igbo people have received so much insults because of the ,'Ikwerre Identity issue' . So , It's necessary to leave them alone . If you've been insulted by an Ikwerre you'll understand .

MelesZenawi:



Of what use is the said Ohanaeze ndigbo to even u..


Answer Mr self acclaimed animal with horns..

AmuDimpka:


For the sake of privacy, I would have given you many ikwere here in Lagos that are in Igbo meetings !

So what are you trying to say again ?

Dude you ain't got story
.. stop being sentimental! You are sounding funny ... What about Okechukwu that is Ohaneze scribe , he is an ikwerre man

AmuDimpka:
Don't worry the use to me.. can you bounce at the end of he day
Mr.. town organisation

Igboid:


Ikwerres are opportunists.
They claim Igbo when they are outside Rivers state, so that they can benefit from Igbo unionism. I have many of them as friends and I know them very well. I also tell the truth.

The same Ikwerre man in Lagos sucking up to Igbo union there to gain favours, brotherhood and succour, have uncles, mothers, sisters, fathers in his village in Emohua who are rabidly Igbophobic, and that your Ikwerre friend once he gets back to Rivers state, would dine and move with them and start singing different songs of Bini to you, once he wants to assume political post in his home land, because he knows his people will only accept him when he comes to them as an Igbophobic Ikwerre man.

You should be wise enough to know when a people or person is playing you and using you to achieve their own aims.
An Ikwerre only claims Igbo when he has something to do by doing so. And it's usually a transient, parasitic and opportunist attachment.

You should not fall for it

AmuDimpka:


I totally agree with you , I am from Ukpor in Anambra also and we don't even give a damn about the ikwere because they don't have anything to bring to the table apart from hooliganism and cultism but we have to still tell them the truth

Igboid:


Ikwerres are opportunists.
They claim Igbo when they are outside Rivers state, so that they can benefit from Igbo unionism. I have many of them as friends and I know them very well. I also tell the truth.

The same Ikwerre man in Lagos sucking up to Igbo union there to gain favours, brotherhood and succour, have uncles, mothers, sisters, fathers in his village in Emohua who are rabidly Igbophobic, and that your Ikwerre friend once he gets back to Rivers state, would dine and move with them and start singing different songs of Bini to you, once he wants to assume political post in his home land, because he knows his people will only accept him when he comes to them as an Igbophobic Ikwerre man.

You should be wise enough to know when a people or person is playing you and using you to achieve their own aims.
An Ikwerre only claims Igbo when he has something to do by doing so. And it's usually a transient, parasitic and opportunist attachment.

You should not fall for it

Igboid:


Finally we can agree on a thing.

Good. Thanks.

See, we are real brothers. We quarrel and reconcile because we are Igbo men. You will never share same level of understanding with an Ikwerre man, because he is simply not an Igbo.

AmuDimpka:


I told one that he isn't Igbo here in Lagos he called me and said that I am embrassing him.

A yoruba man introduced him as Igbo to me... I told the Yoruba man in clear terms that he isn't Igbo just like a fellow Nigerian like me that I would be glad to deal with Efiks and Ibibio than ikwerre... I can never convince them to be Igbo ...

Just that I present my facts online... Offline.. trust me , I don't even give a fück about them !

AmuDimpka:


It is.... It is exactly pronounced that way ! Onu Ebu is the title of their king and what they call their king toll date meaning Spokesperson or mouthpiece of Ebu

Or can you tell me what Onu means I'm Igala

You lied on Onu being Yoruba and I caught you now you don change post !

They have been igbonized period... You keep saying things you aw not sure of... Just like you made a mention of Ibaaji... Dude go and drink sir... It's Sunday

Dpharisee:


Odudunwa means Last Born of Amadioha

Igboid:



I can't make sense of this verbose and edited response.

I never said Igala came from Yoruba. I said that Igala ancestors were same people as Yoruba ancestors, until the Ebira migrated down and cut Igala ancestors off from Yorubas (Okun). This is the point Igala started differing from Yoruba, and when Igala met aboriginal Igbos in parts of Kogi East and assimilated them, they ended up creating a new language from Yoruba which was made more distinct by Jukun subjugation and Idoma influence on Igala.

Igala is a relatively new creation. Igala = Igbo + Yoruba +Idoma + Jukun.

Yoruba is clearly centuries older than Igala formation. Igala language is Yoruboid.

Ibaji represents a disproportionate mixture of Igbo and aboriginals Yoruboid base of Igala, where Igbos seem to have contributed more percentage of the mixture than in other parts of Igala.
The typical Ibaji man is Igbo in physical look and to large extent, mentality too.

Igbos didn't borrow red cap from Igala.


If Igalas will not recognize the existence of pockets of Igbo speaking groups whether bilingual or monolingual in Igbo language in Kogi East, like you lots are currently doing.
Be rest assured that Igala in due time will also have to give up claims to pockets of Igala communities in Anambra North, Enugu North and Anioma.

What is good for the goose is also after all, also good for the gander.

You have refused to acknowledge the existence and presence of Igbo speaking groups in Kogi East. Choosing rather to refer to them as migrants and tenants. But you want Ndiigbo to not brand you as migrants in Anambra, Enugu and Anioma.
Just pray Nigeria continues to exist, because the day Nigeria ceases to exist, will be the end of you and other aggressive minorities (Edo and Ijaw) who are looking to annex parts of Igboland you were accommodated in as refugees or which your ancestors invaded.

Take note that we know our boundaries and will not be gentle in reclaiming them and laying to waste anyone or anything that would stand on our way.

Igboid:


I didn't say it's Yoruba.
I said its cognate of the Yoruba word "Olu".

Onu means Lord/King in Igala

Olu means Lord in Yoruba.
Igala is a Yoruboid language.

Revolva:


You are close a bit but I don't buy that your idea that Yoruba is older than igala .
Just because modern literature says igala language is yorubaiod means igala is from them

Mother's tongue tells a lot , if igala women dis not give birth to yorubas together with Benin father called oduduwa then how come Yoruba and igala language have some similarities.
As for ibaji people I know there are some of them that mingles and you are right about that but today they don't agree to be Igbo no matter their behavior .
But if they want to be called Igbo well it's up to them to go to the eze Igbo council and propose themselves.

Even the igalas outside kogi pay homage to Attah of igala

Now who is at a fair chance of recognition

Is it the igbos in southern kogi that don't want to meet up with igbos leaders and voice themselves or the igalas outside kogi who are already documented



It is.... It is exactly pronounced that way ! Onu Ebu is the title of their king and what they call their king toll date meaning Spokesperson or mouthpiece of Ebu

Or can you tell me what Onu means I'm Igala

You lied on Onu being Yoruba and I caught you now you don change post !

They have been igbonized period... You keep saying things you aw not sure of... Just like you made a mention of Ibaaji... Dude go and drink sir... It's Sunday

Onu is called chief in igala land oga ok it's an igala title not Igbo

Every igala no matter have their Onu (Ohnuh)..remember not the same pronounced as Igbo version of onu (Ornu)

So if Ebu cheif bear Onu as title that is to tell you they know their customers n traditions and they speak igala till date

Igboid:


Mouthpiece in Igala is "Ukomu" no?

I never said that Onu is not an Igala title. I'm actually arguing that it is.
What I'm also arguing is that it means "lord" or King.
And that it is a cognate of "Olu" seen in Yoruba.

Maybe you need to look up the word "cognate" in linguistics.
For example, the Igala word for land "Ane", is a cognate to Igbo word for land, ie "Ana", "Ani" "Ala" and "Ali",depending on part of Igboland involved.

Igboid:


Your behavior is exactly in order and more Igbos should be groomed to act as such to any Ikwerre man found claiming Igbo.
If the Ikwerre claiming Igbo feels embarrassed, he should take his fight to the floor of Ogbakor Ikwerre, if he loses there, he should take it to his town union to separate from Ogbakor Ikwerre, if he fails too, then he should accept his non Igbo tag in peace,in the knowledge that majority of his people took the decision for him.

It's that simple. They shouldn't be allowed to eat their cake and have it. We are not fools.