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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Georgekyrian(m): 11:56am On Jul 19, 2020
fairfora:
Even though yoruba leaders back then had every opportunity to sell their people in that era, they rather waged war against the colonialists and suppressed their powers. Madam Tinubu had the opportunity to make a great fortune in this business of evil but chose to defend her people by fighting the Europeans who thrived in slave trade. Any human being who takes pride in selling his/her fellow human beings is worse than animals.

Same yoruba agitated for independence and democracy in our land even those who said we were not ready for independence are now number one beneficiaries of it. Any day we say we are leaving this union, only God will say otherwise because we are the reason this country is still together.

At which point where the slaves taken out if Nigeria, Badagry right? Which location? Snake island, which state Lagos, which Ethnic group Yoruba. So what are you not saying, like always you guys are ghost beneficiary of the trade

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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by ofeco: 11:56am On Jul 19, 2020
Itohanprefa:
I didn't want to reply that guy in other not to tribalise the whole thing, Yoruba people were selling themselves too, if you are weak or don't have an immediate family to stand with you, off to America
lol.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Itohanprefa: 11:58am On Jul 19, 2020
fairfora:
Yes, but they weren't sold by our forebears. Mention a single yoruba who dealt in this trade if you know one. Back then, anyone sighted by Portuguese along the coastal line would be abucted and put into ship. It was a forced move against their wish.
Oyo were instrumental in selling Yoruba people to Europeans, the even participated in the trans Saharan slave trade with the northerners

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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Georgekyrian(m): 11:59am On Jul 19, 2020
Itohanprefa:
All the Yoruba slaves in Cuba, Brasil, Barbados and the rest how did they get there? All southerners sold slaves

Abeg help me ask the gay, they are top slave products. Now who sold them
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Nobody: 12:59pm On Jul 19, 2020
Itohanprefa:
Oyo were instrumental in selling Yoruba people to Europeans, the even participated in the trans Saharan slave trade with the northerners
I've read a book similar to this you pulled out from wiki, a story published by a niger deltan author. This isn't true pls
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Nobody: 1:01pm On Jul 19, 2020
Georgekyrian:


At which point where the slaves taken out if Nigeria, Badagry right? Which location? Snake island, which state Lagos, which Ethnic group Yoruba. So what are you not saying, like always you guys are ghost beneficiary of the trade
No yoruba participated in this shiit. Those who forcefully sold yorubas along the said coastal line were fulani raiders who were a faction of uthman dan fodio warriors.

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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Nobody: 1:03pm On Jul 19, 2020
ofeco:

Who sold Samuel Ajayi crowther since yoruba's did not sell their own but protected them?
Fulani slave raiders who came in through igbeti and kwara did. Osoogun in oyo state where Bishop ajayi crowder was born was in a town called Lanlate where he was captured alongside his relatives by fulani raiders. The town was close to igbeti in oke ogun which shares boundary with kwara. Fulanis entered through this area to raid yorubas and handed them to Portuguese at the coasral lines. No single yoruba dealt in selling human beings.

Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by sexylassie2(f): 1:07pm On Jul 19, 2020
Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, Niger deltans sold slaves.

I was in a museum in calabar and i was suprised to learnt that even jaja of opobo sold slaves.

Any tribe that lives in the coastal lines of nigeria sold slaves.

The bright of Biafra likewise the lagos port was a major slave hub.

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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Nobody: 1:28pm On Jul 19, 2020
sexylassie2:
Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, Niger deltans sold slaves.

I was in a museum in calabar and i was suprised to learnt that even jaja of opobo sold slaves.

Any tribe that lives in the coastal lines of nigeria sold slaves.

The bright of Biafra was a major slave hub.
Yes, Jaja of opobo and biafra mainly did. Those who sold slaves along our coastal lines were the Portuguese who employed fulani raiders. The history can't lie. Several yorubas fell victim. No yoruba leader dealt in slave trade.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Nobody: 2:24pm On Jul 19, 2020
Hmmmmmmm!

Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Itohanprefa: 2:35pm On Jul 19, 2020
fairfora:
Fulani slave raiders who came in through igbeti and kwara did. Osoogun in oyo state where Bishop ajayi crowder was born was in a town called Lanlate where he was captured alongside his relatives by fulani raiders. The town was close to igbeti in oke ogun which shares boundary with kwara. Fulanis entered through this area to raid yorubas and handed them to Portuguese at the coasral lines. No single yoruba dealt in selling human beings.

You discredited the Wikipedia article I posted and said a Niger Deltan wrote it and still went ahead to post your own Wikipedia article, Who wrote this one?, If you honestly believe other tribes where solely responsible for raiding the whole of Yorubaland for slaves throughout the slave trade without any indigenous Slavers then you can believe anything
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Yujin(m): 2:36pm On Jul 19, 2020
hammer3:



In my first post, I did acknowledge Arochukwu and some Abia clans, but does that qualify the entire Igbo tribe as culpable?

U have to consider that Igbo were their victims.

U further have to acknowledge that the idea came via Efik and spread to Kalabari which is still Calabar extension circling the igbo hinterland.

It was no accident, they were specifically in search of Igbos from the hinterland as slave.
STOP WRITING WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW!
It was some Igbo groups that raided other Igbo groups for slave trade. No non-Igbo groups dared to enter into the hinterland for slaves. Mind you, there was slavery actively existing in all of Africa before the Europeans came. This type of slavery isn't like the barbarity the Europeans forced black people into in the new world.
Aros were the chief slave traders in the eastern flank of Igboland. They sold both to the Efiks and to the Ibanis at Bonny.

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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Itohanprefa: 2:38pm On Jul 19, 2020
fairfora:
Yes, Jaja of opobo and biafra mainly did. Those who sold slaves along our coastal lines were the Portuguese who employed fulani raiders. The history can't lie. Several yorubas fell victim. No yoruba leader dealt in slave trade.
Portuguese employed Fulani raiders?, Are u listening to yourself?, Portuguese that came in through the Atlantic passed the whole south to go and employ Fulani in the north to come and raid the south again, it's obvious you know little of the slave trade

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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by sexylassie2(f): 2:43pm On Jul 19, 2020
fairfora:
Yes, Jaja of opobo and biafra mainly did. Those who sold slaves along our coastal lines were the Portuguese who employed fulani raiders. The history can't lie. Several yorubas fell victim. No yoruba leader dealt in slave trade.

Madam Tinubu was a slave trader, she sold Ajayi crowder

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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Nobody: 3:27pm On Jul 19, 2020
sexylassie2:


Madam Tinubu was a slave trader, she sold Ajayi crowder
that's not true grin

Ajayi crowder never dealt in slave trade. Have you forgitrem he wae a slave himself before he got the privilege to go to missionary school amongst other slaves ? Madam tinubu had people working for her truly but she never bought with money money. One of them was saka who later became her husband. He was a kanuri man from the northh east who came to lagos to work. He adopted madam tinubu's name as his second name, just to prove how powerful the woman was...for a man who claimed to be her husband to bear her name as his second name. Madam tinubu was paying these men working for him and they were never under her bondage. The popular saka tinubu was named after him. She fought the European slave traders and forced them to leave lagos.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Nobody: 3:36pm On Jul 19, 2020
Itohanprefa:
Portuguese employed Fulani raiders?, Are u listening to yourself?, Portuguese that came in through the Atlantic passed the whole south to go and employ Fulani in the north to come and raid the south again, it's obvious you know little of the slave trade
Please read the below link about revd ajayi crowther who was a victim of slave trade in the hands of fulani raiders who invaded through a town called osoogun in lanlate near ilorin( now in oyo state). Fulanis had always been around for centuries in the south west. One of them married madam tinubu of lagos. The latter employed him to work for him as a guard but they later fell in love. Have you heard of afonja war in ilorin and why they conqiered the town? They would have sucdeeded in capturing more towns but were repelled at a town called Ikirun, now in osun state. This would give you a better understanding how fulanis were being used to do the evil deed. No be today e start. Sadly, our leaders don't think of rhe past and learn from same.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Ajayi_Crowther
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Nobody: 3:47pm On Jul 19, 2020
Itohanprefa:
You discredited the Wikipedia article I posted and said a Niger Deltan wrote it and still went ahead to post your own Wikipedia article, Who wrote this one?, If you honestly believe other tribes where solely responsible for raiding the whole of Yorubaland for slaves throughout the slave trade without any indigenous Slavers then you can believe anything
Noo pls. I din't discredit it. I said I once read about a book published by a Niger deltan author which wasn't true about the slave trade in yorubaland. I read about slavery in a book published on the afonja war in ilorin. There were 2 chapters which dwelt more on the slave trade and relevant activities in yorubaland. I've also read several other stories on this in the past and I never saw where any yoruba was said to have been involved. It's just like reading books about yoruba's source which was Ile Ife and some authors of edo extraction posited otherwise. Your source could be veritable. You know anyone can go to wiki and edit a post about a third party, including you and i? Growing up I've read widely about slave trade in yoruba under the yoruba language so i can say im knowledgeable to an extent.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Itohanprefa: 3:55pm On Jul 19, 2020
fairfora:
Noo pls. I din't discredit it. I said I once read about a book published by a Niger deltan author which wasn't true about the slave trade in yorubaland. I read about slavery in a book published on the afonja war in ilorin. There were 2 chapters which dwelt more on the slave trade and relevant activities in yorubaland. I've also read several other stories on this in the past and I never saw where any yoruba was said to have been involved. It's just like reading books about yoruba's source which was Ile Ife and some authors of edo extraction posited otherwise. Your source could be veritable
It goes without saying that there is no way millions of Yoruba people would be rounded up and marched to the coast without the aid of some powerful Yoruba slavers, Oyo was the most prominent in Yorubaland, The slave trade in southern Nigeria was basically organised and executed by southern Tribes, All participated in one way or the other
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by proeast(m): 4:02pm On Jul 19, 2020
fairfora:
Yes, but they weren't sold by our forebears. Mention a single yoruba who dealt in this trade if you know one. Back then, anyone sighted by Portuguese along the coastal line would be abucted and put into ship. It was a forced move against their wish.

No appologies, but it's either you're a kid or totally uninformed.
That Nigeria banned teaching of history is not enough reason to be wallowing in such ignorance.

Yorubas sold as much slaves if not more than the Igbos did. Have you heard of the journey of no return at Badagry? That place is the route where slaves gotten from the hinterlands went through before getting to the port. Did you even know that hundreds of thousands of people were sold into slavery from the Western region, were they all picked up by the Portuguese at the shores as you claim? Does this your assertion even make sense?

I don't know what you people gain in peddling lies and propaganda.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by proeast(m): 4:13pm On Jul 19, 2020
Nigeria really did serious damage to its citizens with the ban of history in its schools and that is why you see supposed educated people making ridiculous and dumb assertions.

Even the slaves that were sold from Igboland, have they asked how they were all gotten? Most of the slaves that were sold in Igboland as well as some other places were mainly people that did the following:

1. Committed abomination/sacrilege; instead of sending them to the evil forest or killing them out rightly as was the norm before slave trade started, they were rounded up and sold into slavery.

2. Prisoners of war; during communal wars, prisoners that were picked up were sold into slavery.

3. Through Raids; some places, such as Arochukwu had formidable men who often went on raids against neighbors to kidnap people and sold them into slavery.

4. Families; some families that had very stubborn children who brought shame to them often resorted to selling them into slavery.

Now, these things I listed above didn't happen only in Igboland but across the entire southern Nigeria and beyond. Even Northerners had been involved in slavery with merchants that came from North Africa.

Tinubu Square in Lagos is named after a slave merchant.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Nobody: 4:17pm On Jul 19, 2020
proeast:


No appologies, but it's either you're a kid or totally uninformed.
That Nigeria banned teaching of history is not enough reason to be wallowing in such ignorance.

Yorubas sold as much slaves if not more than the Igbos did. Have you heard of the journey of no return at Badagry? That place is the route where slaves gotten from the hinterlands went through before getting to the port. Did you even know that hundreds of thousands of people were sold into slavery from the Western region, were they all picked up by the Portuguese at the shores as you claim? Does this your assertion even make sense?

I don't know what you people gain in peddling lies and propaganda.
I'd manage to accommodate your insults. No qualms. I've been to the badagry's port of no return many times . I've also been to that of Ghana who suffered most of the effect of slavery. I still dare anyone to mention a single yorubaman or monarch who engaged in the so called slave trade. I can mention as much as possible, those who sold their family members kn exchange for guns, clothes, gold, wine and the likes..from the Niger delta to the south Eastern Nigeria including the family of those impregnated by the same Portuguese. If you go to the south south, especially rivers state today along the cost, you'd see some faces with a replica of whitemen. The atrrocities were so much but all is past now.

That you've been to the journey of no return doesn't mean those ferried across the Atlantic were sold by the yorubas. Go and read about the fulani slave raiders and you'd understand why Portuguese had a field day in that era in our land. Ciao
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Xisnin(m): 4:24pm On Jul 19, 2020
fairfora:
Yes, but they weren't sold by our forebears. Mention a single yoruba who dealt in this trade if you know one. Back then, anyone sighted by Portuguese along the coastal line would be abucted and put into ship. It was a forced move against their wish.
Madam Tinubu herself sold slaves.
Oba Kosoko also sold slaves and waged war to preseve slavery.
Who do you think operates the badagary slave markets?

Every single tribe in Nigeria bought and sold slaves.
Portugues weren't parading coastline and abducting people.

They bought from the middlemen who received payments in guns and gins.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by sexylassie2(f): 4:42pm On Jul 19, 2020
fairfora:
that's not true grin

Ajayi crowder never dealt in slave trade. Have you forgitrem he wae a slave himself before he got the privilege to go to missionary school amongst other slaves ? Madam tinubu had people working for her truly but she never bought with money money. One of them was saka who later became her husband. He was a kanuri man from the northh east who came to lagos to work. He adopted madam tinubu's name as his second name, just to prove how powerful the woman was...for a man who claimed to be her husband to bear her name as his second name. Madam tinubu was paying these men working for him and they were never under her bondage. The popular saka tinubu was named after him. She fought the European slave traders and forced them to leave lagos.

so who operated the Velekete Slave Market in badary and the ikorodu slave market

What about the Ejinrin slave market

so who is Seriki Faremi Abass?
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Gudiza(m): 5:46pm On Jul 19, 2020
There was Gold Coast (Ghana), there was Ivory Coast, if we were to go by the name the same colonials gave the coastal area of Nigeria, then it would be Slave Coast.

The major export of the entire southern tribes was slavery. No exception.
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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by FrLukas(m): 7:21pm On Jul 19, 2020
hammer3:


There is nothing worst than an Igbo person that dont have sense or that is an attention seeking slave.

Does she have any evidence?


My guess is that she is addicted to sucking white blokus and will say anything to appease her white employers or exonerate them of their crimes, even if it means throwing herself and igbo people under the bus.


Ndiigbo should no longer suffer this type of people that bring disaffection to our race.


If she is a decendant of a slave dealer, she and her entire family or lineage, should be punished and face the wrath of it.




The truth is liberating. Face your own truth.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by proeast(m): 7:32pm On Jul 19, 2020
fairfora:
I'd manage to accommodate your insults. No qualms. I've been to the badagry's port of no return many times . I've also been to that of Ghana who suffered most of the effect of slavery. I still dare anyone to mention a single yorubaman or monarch who engaged in the so called slave trade. I can mention as much as possible, those who sold their family members kn exchange for guns, clothes, gold, wine and the likes..from the Niger delta to the south Eastern Nigeria including the family of those impregnated by the same Portuguese. If you go to the south south, especially rivers state today along the cost, you'd see some faces with a replica of whitemen. The atrrocities were so much but all is past now.

That you've been to the journey of no return doesn't mean those ferried across the Atlantic were sold by the yorubas. Go and read about the fulani slave raiders and you'd understand why Portuguese had a field day in that era in our land. Ciao

If Yorubas did not indulge in slave trading then how did the region become one of the most prolific slave trading areas alongside Eastern Nigeria, Central Africa and Gold Coast?

Tinubu Square in Lagos is named after a very rich woman who was a slave merchant. Slaves were gotten through various means such as kidnapping, selling by families, prisoners of war, those that committed crimes etc. The merchants acted like middlemen whereby they buy slaves from the hinterlands and sell to the Europeans at the coast. Now, you're claiming that Yorubas didn't sell slaves so who sold and bought the Yorubas that ended up in places like the Jamaica, Brazil, America and the West Indies?
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Nobody: 8:01pm On Jul 19, 2020
proeast:
Nigeria really did serious damage to its citizens with the ban of history in its schools and that is why you see supposed educated people making ridiculous and dumb assertions.

Even the slaves that were sold from Igboland, have they asked how they were all gotten? Most of the slaves that were sold in Igboland as well as some other places were mainly people that did the following:

1. Committed abomination/sacrilege; instead of sending them to the evil forest or killing them out rightly as was the norm before slave trade started, they were rounded up and sold into slavery.

2. Prisoners of war; during communal wars, prisoners that were picked up were sold into slavery.

3. Through Raids; some places, such as Arochukwu had formidable men who often went on raids against neighbors to kidnap people and sold them into slavery.

4. Families; some families that had very stubborn children who brought shame to them often resorted to selling them into slavery.

Now, these things I listed above didn't happen only in Igboland but across the entire southern Nigeria and beyond. Even Northerners had been involved in slavery with merchants that came from North Africa.

Tinubu Square in Lagos is named after a slave merchant.


Lies... Igbos sold their blodas and sisters as slaves... Stop defending ur bad habit.....
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by LaboPolitics: 8:06pm On Jul 19, 2020
fairfora post=91866769:
Even though yoruba leaders back then had every opportunity to sell their people in that era, they rather waged war against the colonialists and suppressed their powers. Madam Tinubu had the opportunity to make a great fortune in this business of evil but chose to defend her people by fighting the Europeans who thrived in slave trade. Any human being who takes pride in selling his/her fellow human beings is worse than animals.

Same yoruba agitated for independence and democracy in our land even those who said we were not ready for independence are now number one beneficiaries of it. Any day we say we are leaving this union, only God will say otherwise because we are the reason this country is still together
.

Stop lying this yorubaman, no group of west Africans around the atlantic shore sold slaves more than the yorubas.

Madam Tinubu was a slave holder and trader who acquired and amassed great fortunes due to slavery. When the Europeans, she fought and rebel against it's abolishment.

yoruba jibiti and their incompetent attempt at revisionism.

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