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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by olu77(m): 9:16pm On Jul 19, 2020
hammer3:


There is nothing worst than an Igbo person that dont have sense or that is an attention seeking slave.

Does she have any evidence?


My guess is that she is addicted to sucking white blokus and will say anything to appease her white employers or exonerate them of their crimes, even if it means throwing herself and igbo people under the bus.


Ndiigbo should no longer suffer this type of people that bring disaffection to our race.


If she is a decendant of a slave dealer, she and her entire family or lineage, should be punished and face the wrath of it.

This is the most senseless confession I have ever read...my grandfather captured other human beings and sold them, I don't think he did anything wrong because he didn't know better and I think we should celebrate him as a hero. Common sense in indeed not common to this our sister.

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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Modarun(m): 9:18pm On Jul 19, 2020
fairfora:
Even though yoruba leaders back then had every opportunity to sell their people in that era, they rather waged war against the colonialists and suppressed their powers. Madam Tinubu had the opportunity to make a great fortune in this business of evil but chose to defend her people by fighting the Europeans who thrived in slave trade. Any human being who takes pride in selling his/her fellow human beings is worse than animals.

Same yoruba agitated for independence and democracy in our land even those who said we were not ready for independence are now number one beneficiaries of it. Any day we say we are leaving this union, only God will say otherwise because we are the reason this country is still together.
say it na, abi u prefer to see all the IGR Frm SWEST. Shared to the north? Always yarning dust.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by hammer3: 9:22pm On Jul 19, 2020
olu77:


This is the most senseless confession I have ever read...my grandfather captured other human beings and sold them, I don't think he did anything wrong because he didn't know better and I think we should celebrate him as a hero. Common sense in indeed not common to this our sister.


My brother that is how our people behave.

It is called selling out everybody for benefits.

Some people will say anything to live in the white man country or work for him.

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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by olu77(m): 9:47pm On Jul 19, 2020
hammer3:


My brother that is how our people behave.

It is called selling out everybody for benefits.

Some people will say anything to live in the white man country or work for him.

The thing is a lot of white offspring of slave owners are humbly coming out to apologize for the inhuman treatment their forefathers meted on Africans while an african with a voice is raising her shoulder to say otherwise. It's so shameful bro. How do we make any meaningful progress when every time the world is moving forward, our people are always thinking backward. If my great grandfather had participated in such a barbaric trade I would be hiding my face in shame if I couldn't address it objectively.

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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by hammer3: 10:20pm On Jul 19, 2020
olu77:


The thing is a lot of white offspring of slave owners are humbly coming out to apologize for the inhuman treatment their forefathers meted on Africans while an african with a voice is raising her shoulder to say otherwise. It's so shameful bro. How do we make any meaningful progress when every time the world is moving forward, our people are always thinking backward. If my great grandfather had participated in such a barbaric trade I would be hiding my face in shame if I couldn't address it objectively.

I am glad that you also reasoned it.

It is very annoying and you know wat, BBC pushed it to the front page.

You see, wat she said takes the blame off the white and places it on Black or Africans.

This is wat the white claim too, so they will definately feel relieved with her comment , and in some sort of way, look down on black people.

That woman should be made to account for her comment and it should be verified.

If that is the case, her family should pay compensation and the money sent to the carribean.

Even if it means selling their family land.

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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by olu77(m): 10:49pm On Jul 19, 2020
hammer3:


I am glad that you also reasoned it.

It is very annoying and you know wat, BBC pushed it to the front page.

You see, wat she said takes the blame off the white and places it on Black or Africans.

This is wat the white claim too, so they will definately feel relieved with her comment , and in some sort of way, look down on black people.

That woman should be made to account for her comment and it should be verified.

If that is the case, her family should pay compensation and the money sent to the carribean.

Even if it means selling their family land.

I completely agree with you, she and her wicked family members should be made to pay for their wickedness.

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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by sunbreaker: 11:15pm On Jul 19, 2020
mymadam:
Amid the global debate about race relations, colonialism and slavery, some of the Europeans and Americans who made their fortunes in trading human beings have seen their legacies reassessed, their statues toppled and their names removed from public buildings.

Nigerian journalist and novelist Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani writes that one of her ancestors sold slaves, but argues that he should not be judged by today's standards or values.

My great-grandfather, Nwaubani Ogogo Oriaku, was what I prefer to call a businessman, from the Igbo ethnic group of south-eastern Nigeria. He dealt in a number of goods, including tobacco and palm produce. He also sold human beings.

"He had agents who...


Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53444752
sold human being? Human factory has being in existence in the east from the time of immemorial

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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Bekool: 11:30pm On Jul 19, 2020
fairfora:
Even though yoruba leaders back then had every opportunity to sell their people in that era, they rather waged war against the colonialists and suppressed their powers. Madam Tinubu had the opportunity to make a great fortune in this business of evil but chose to defend her people by fighting the Europeans who thrived in slave trade. Any human being who takes pride in selling his/her fellow human beings is worse than animals.

Same yoruba agitated for independence and democracy in our land even those who said we were not ready for independence are now number one beneficiaries of it. Any day we say we are leaving this union, only God will say otherwise because we are the reason this country is still together.

So why is a well read popular yoruba politician like ffk calling for the pulling down and destruction of tinibu's mother statue in lagos claiming that she was once a well known slave merchant who made so much wealth in selling her fellow yoruba people as slaves to the white men?
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Tranquill: 12:07am On Jul 20, 2020
hammer3:


There is nothing worst than an Igbo person that dont have sense or that is an attention seeking slave.

Does she have any evidence?


My guess is that she is addicted to sucking white blokus and will say anything to appease her white employers or exonerate them of their crimes, even if it means throwing herself and igbo people under the bus.


Ndiigbo should no longer suffer this type of people that bring disaffection to our race.


If she is a decendant of a slave dealer, she and her entire family or lineage, should be punished and face the wrath of it.



But Dilibe Onyeama from Enugu, the brother to the current foreign affairs minister, said the same thing few weeks back about his grandfather. You can only say what you know and not what others know. They know their family history more than you do, devoid of sentiment.

I would have expected them to apologize on behalf of their families and not putting all the blames on the white man.

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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by OfoIgbo: 2:20am On Jul 20, 2020
hammer3:


Today u have Eze Eri, going in search of Igbo sold into slavery.

How can Igbo claim to be a slave selling people, wen our King was never involved.

As a matter of fact, he refused to meet or see the white men.

That was why the white matched on Nri and disgraced Eze Nri.

Igbo were a victim of the transatlantic slave trade.

We were sold on three front by other tribes and naturally some of our people aided them, from Arochukwu specifically, all Igbos cannot accept involvement based on Arochukwu whom we know are related to the Efik.


Please Eze Erii is just a fraudulent position created by ndi Aguleri to try and expropriate NRI ancient achievements.

Eze NRI stool is the real deal.

Anyway, the Nris were vehemently opposed to the slave trade, and the Nris were by far, the most influential Igbo cultural order, so it will be inaccurate to say that all Igbos were into the slave trade.

Bonny is not the premier Igbo cultural town ,so they can't represent core Igbo cultural beliefs. Arochukwu can't too. But NRI can. The core of NRI are Enugwu-ukwu, Enugwu-Agidi, Nawfia and Agukwu section of NRI town
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Iamgrey5(m): 6:22am On Jul 20, 2020
Itohanprefa:
The situation back then wasn't really that simple, saying that Efik and others where slave holders and Igbos where slaves is an oversimplification, it was a free for all environment there not much in tribal affiliations back then(not like now) it was survival of the fittest and strongest, don't forget there were efik and ibibio slaves too, not to mention Yoruba, Bini and other southern tribes, these tribes also had slave holders among them too, people kidnapped there tribesmen to be sold to slavers, kindreds sold their own people to inherit land
You have no idea that unlike Yorubas slaves who were hardly 400k and 200k until 1820 before the fulani conquest of ilorin, ibos were sold as slaves in their millions.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Iamgrey5(m): 6:28am On Jul 20, 2020
Itohanprefa:
Oyo were instrumental in selling Yoruba people to Europeans, the even participated in the trans Saharan slave trade with the northerners
Oyo sold Fon people

Aja people are those sold mostly at the bight of Bini.

Nearly 1.2 million of them were sold as against 400k Yoruba

Dahomey was a tribute state to OYO by then.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Iamgrey5(m): 6:35am On Jul 20, 2020
Itohanprefa:
It goes without saying that there is no way millions of Yoruba people would be rounded up and marched to the coast without the aid of some powerful Yoruba slavers, Oyo was the most prominent in Yorubaland, The slave trade in southern Nigeria was basically organised and executed by southern Tribes, All participated in one way or the other
@ emboldened is not true sir.

Only 400k+ Yorubas were sold into slave trade

Yorubas are only visible in Brazil and Cuba because they were the last set of people to join the slave trade.

So majority of those practicing Santaria in Cuba and Asa isese in Brazil are not Yorubas per say, but influenced by Yoruba culture.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Dedetwo(m): 6:42am On Jul 20, 2020
fairfora:
Even though yoruba leaders back then had every opportunity to sell their people in that era, they rather waged war against the colonialists and suppressed their powers. Madam Tinubu had the opportunity to make a great fortune in this business of evil but chose to defend her people by fighting the Europeans who thrived in slave trade. Any human being who takes pride in selling his/her fellow human beings is worse than animals.

Same yoruba agitated for independence and democracy in our land even those who said we were not ready for independence are now number one beneficiaries of it. Any day we say we are leaving this union, only God will say otherwise because we are the reason this country is still together.

It is very unfortunate you chose to flaunt your ignorance of the subject on a public arena. Oba Kosoko of Lagos was apex slave trader. The only war waged by Yari.ba was among themselves to generate enough slaves. The worst capitulation before colonialists came from Yari.ba land. Anybody who witnessed the cowardly capitulation of Yari.ba and what happened in Ibadan during 1966 can detest the above junk.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Dedetwo(m): 6:50am On Jul 20, 2020
hammer3:


There is nothing worst than an Igbo person that dont have sense or that is an attention seeking slave.

Does she have any evidence?


My guess is that she is addicted to sucking white blokus and will say anything to appease her white employers or exonerate them of their crimes, even if it means throwing herself and igbo people under the bus.


Ndiigbo should no longer suffer this type of people that bring disaffection to our race.


If she is a decendant of a slave dealer, she and her entire family or lineage, should be punished and face the wrath of it.



You must be a Black.

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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by tommy589(m): 8:08am On Jul 20, 2020
fairfora:
that's not true grin

Ajayi crowder never dealt in slave trade. Have you forgitrem he wae a slave himself before he got the privilege to go to missionary school amongst other slaves ? Madam tinubu had people working for her truly but she never bought with money money. One of them was saka who later became her husband. He was a kanuri man from the northh east who came to lagos to work. He adopted madam tinubu's name as his second name, just to prove how powerful the woman was...for a man who claimed to be her husband to bear her name as his second name. Madam tinubu was paying these men working for him and they were never under her bondage. The popular saka tinubu was named after him. She fought the European slave traders and forced them to leave lagos.

Madam Tinubu was a slave trader,our primary school history class taught us that. Taiwo Olowo and several others became wealthy from slave trade.
Africans traded in slaves between each other before the Europeans came. Many were regarded as family members after they proved their worth and rose to prominence from their slavery background.we have examples of Jaja of Opobo who became a wealthy merchant.Another was Ogedengbe Agbogugboro who was captured by Ibadan army,given tribal marks and rose to a General in the Ibadan army before he left.
Many slaves in Africa received fair treatment from their owners,It was with this mindset that trans atlantic slave trade flourish ,with expectations that the prosperous and enlightened white men would treat slaves fairly. But some regretted their actions when they started hearing of the inhumane conditions slaves were subjected to in the new world

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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by orisa37: 9:38am On Jul 20, 2020
illicit:
He is bad


He is a BADASS.

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Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by NubaVertigo(m): 6:44pm On Jul 20, 2020
ofeco:

Who sold Samuel Ajayi crowther since yoruba's did not sell their own but protected them?

The Fulani raided his village in Oyo. He literally has a biography about this on the internet. Just use google. His village in Oyo was surprise raided by the Fulani and they captured and sold the villagers, including him
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by ofeco: 2:05am On Jul 21, 2020
NubaVertigo:


The Fulani raided his village in Oyo. He literally has a biography about this on the internet. Just use google. His village in Oyo was surprise raided by the Fulani and they captured and sold the villagers, including him
ok. thanks for the clarification.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by NubaVertigo(m): 4:42am On Jul 21, 2020
ofeco:

ok. thanks for the clarification.

To be fair, he goes on to mention that he was sold from "Mohammedan" to "Mohammedan" down to the coast; my best guess is that muslim Yorubas with fulani connections helped move the captives from the hinterland down to the coast as the fulani likely didn't ride down to the coast themselves
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Nobody: 4:51am On Jul 21, 2020
LaboPolitics:


Stop lying this yorubaman, nobody group of west Africans around the atlantic shore sold slaves more than the yorubas.

Madam Tinubu was a slave holder and trader who acquired and amassed great fortunes due to slavery. When the Europeans, she fought and rebel against it's abolishment.

yoruba jibiti and their incompetent attempt at revisionism.

Dude.. Yoruba was the last to be involved in slave... But igbos were sold in millions, yes in millions by their fellow igbos and other tribes..

Infact they were like commodity then sold by other tribes
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Nobody: 5:38am On Jul 21, 2020
Itohanprefa:
The situation back then wasn't really that simple, saying that Efik and others where slave holders and Igbos where slaves is an oversimplification, it was a free for all environment there not much in tribal affiliations back then(not like now) it was survival of the fittest and strongest, don't forget there were efik and ibibio slaves too, not to mention Yoruba, Bini and other southern tribes, these tribes also had slave holders among them too, people kidnapped there tribesmen to be sold to slavers, kindreds sold their own people to inherit land
Fact!
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by LaboPolitics: 10:45am On Jul 21, 2020
marriagebyigbo:


Dude.. Yoruba was the last to be involved in slave... But igbos were sold in millions, yes in millions by their fellow igbos and other tribes..

Infact they were like commodity then sold by other tribes

Atandarudeen omo eru, I know your history very well.
No group of people sold more slaves than Ndi yoruba.

Even Serena and Venus Williams refused being identified as people with yoruba/Nigerian when they were invited by Gov. Fashola to Lagos more than a decade ago. Your lickspittle journalists tried to do famzing and 'attache-by-force' and started giving them yoruba names.

They had a senior sister named Yetunde Williams but denied you people flatly, their anger was that you yorubas sold their great-grandfather into slavery through Badagry like an animal.

They maintained that they were proud African-Americans and would not like to identified as yorubas during a press conference. It was a huge blow to your sorry ewedu noses but your journalists tried to downplay it due to the embarrasment. grin

I still have a copy of that P.M News newspaper in my Dad's library. grin
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by Nobody: 11:05am On Jul 21, 2020
LaboPolitics:


Atandarudeen omo eru, I know your history very well.
No group of people sold more slaves than Ndi yoruba.

Even Serena and Venus Williams refused being identified as people with yoruba/Nigerian when they were invited by Gov. Fashola to Lagos more than a decade ago. Your lickspittle journalists tried to do famzing and 'attache-by-force' and started giving them yoruba names.

They had a senior sister named Yetunde Williams but denied you people flatly, their anger was that you yorubas sold their great-grandfather into slavery through Badagry like an animal.

They maintained that they were proud African-Americans and would not like to identified as yorubas during a press conference. It was a huge blow to your sorry ewedu noses but your journalists tried to downplay it due to the embarrasment. grin

I still have a copy of that P.M News newspaper in my Dad's library. grin






Rants of a Biafra. grin

As usual
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by hammer3: 4:54pm On Jul 21, 2020
OfoIgbo:


Please Eze Erii is just a fraudulent position created by ndi Aguleri to try and expropriate NRI ancient achievements.

Eze NRI stool is the real deal.

Anyway, the Nris were vehemently opposed to the slave trade, and the Nris were by far, the most influential Igbo cultural order, so it will be inaccurate to say that all Igbos were into the slave trade.

Bonny is not the premier Igbo cultural town ,so they can't represent core Igbo cultural beliefs. Arochukwu can't too. But NRI can. The core of NRI are Enugwu-ukwu, Enugwu-Agidi, Nawfia and Agukwu section of NRI town
Dedetwo:


You must be a Black.

Nwanne, wat i wrote is the truth.

That statement from her was Callous.

Ok, wat if the Black Americans or Carribeans note her name and picture for revenge?

As a journalist, will she not travel to Americas? Wat if she becomes targeted globally?

Or some of them become obsessed with her and start following her online and reading her publication?

U know they are not happy with Africans.

The way some of our people behave or talk recklessly gives cause for concern.

Even people dat did not go to school can do better.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by OfoIgbo: 6:10pm On Jul 21, 2020
hammer3:


Nwanne, wat i wrote is the truth.

That statement from her was Callous.

Ok, wat if the Black Americans or Carribeans note her name and picture for revenge?

As a journalist, will she not travel to Americas? Wat if she becomes targeted globally?

Or some of them become obsessed with her and start following her online and reading her publication?

U know they are not happy with Africans.

The way some of our people behave or talk recklessly gives cause for concern.

Even people dat did not go to school can do better.

I will not shed one single tear for her or her family, if African Americans target them.
I am disappointed with the Abia government for honouring such a criminal.

That same family betrayed Igbos during the slave trade era, and is still being used by the British establishment to betray Igbos in this modern era, by putting out to the general public that the British fought to abolish slavery while Igbos fought to maintain it.

I am an NRI man and don't accept the narrative being surreptitiously nortured by the British establishment to implicate all Igbos. My people acted honourably in this era, and I associate with my people's achievements. I am not subject to any Arochukwu shenanigan or Aguleri falsehood.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by hammer3: 7:05pm On Jul 21, 2020
OfoIgbo:


I will not shed one single tear for her or her family, if African Americans target them.
I am disappointed with the Abia government for honouring such a criminal.

That same family betrayed Igbos during the slave trade era, and is still being used by the British establishment to betray Igbos in this modern era, by putting out to the general public that the British fought to abolish slavery while Igbos fought to maintain it.

I am an NRI man and don't accept the narrative being surreptitiously nortured by the British establishment to implicate all Igbos. My people acted honourably in this era, and I associate with my people's achievements. I am not subject to any Arochukwu shenanigan or Aguleri falsehood.

The bolded is very correct.

It is the same behaviour with Joe Igbokwe in Lagos.

Betrayal of Igbo for piecemeal.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by lifeisgood12: 5:04am On Jun 24
Itohanprefa:
All the Yoruba slaves in Cuba, Brasil, Barbados and the rest how did they get there? All southerners sold slaves
dahomeys raided the oyo empire alot.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by lifeisgood12: 5:05am On Jun 24
ofeco:

Who sold Samuel Ajayi crowther since yoruba's did not sell their own but protected them?
Samuel Ajayi Crowther (c. 1809–31 December 1891), was a Yoruba linguist, Sierra Leonean-Nigerian clergyman, and the celebrated first African Anglican bishop of West Africa. Born in Osogun (in what is in Lanlate, Oyo State, Nigeria), he and his family were captured by Fulani slave raiders when he was about twelve years old.
Re: 'my Nigerian Great-grandfather Sold Slaves' by lifeisgood12: 5:07am On Jun 24
Itohanprefa:
Oyo were instrumental in selling Yoruba people to Europeans, the even participated in the trans Saharan slave trade with the northerners
yh thats a lie about trans saharan slave trade. Hausas/kanuris were the only ones participating in the trans-saharan slave trade cause they dealt with arabs.

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