updatechange:
I don't get... Does the so called bill not affect the Muslims Cos it seems it's more than just what I thought

it affects them but they wont condemn it.. because the current president is Muslim.. so they'd rather sit in the fence

Tumbulum:
So what they are saying is that a muslim will now have the power to decide what happens in the church? God forbid.
The next things is how did the Christians in the senate sit idly and allow such a law to be passed in the house.

The law was passed in 2017 or so but they ammended it without carrying CAN along.

adenigga:
This particular section of the CAMA Act does not affects churches only, Mosques, Shrines & CSO are all captured.

But why the loudest noises from the Churches? Are we hiding some informations?

Worst case scenario, relocate to Ghana, Togo, Benin Republic, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, China, just to mention but a few. We will join the services virtually now, just that offerings & tithes will have injury.

I know you won't dare going to UK or US, why? go & ask Pastor Ashimolowo ( KICC ) & Bishop Oyedepo ( WINNERS' CHAPEL ).

do you know there is a phrase in the new law that says the registrar general can remove the board of trustees at will and without a re-dress in court ? That is to say the registrar general is even superior to the the supreme court. That is what CAN is against

UdechiHD:
Paid youths! There is nothing wrong in the CAMA act. The so-called Niger Delta youths should devote their efforts in the bad government in their region.

Fake Pastors are now sending their boys to protest all because them comot food for their mouth.

do you know there is a phrase in the new law that says the registrar general can remove the board of trustees at will and without a re-dress in court ? That is to say the registrar general is even superior to the the supreme court. That is the issue

We've heard

desiredhome:


Go and ask the Pastorprenours what they are doing with the people's money......
The Pastorprenours are more wicked and corrupt than the polithiefians.....
The worst is stealing in God's name.......
Jesus is not a thief.....
If the pastor were doing right.....the politicians will behave and the country will be better for us

Laying baseless and non factual claims just to score a point. Show proof of them stealing. Most of the best universities, secondary and primary schools are built by the church. Including hospitals , orphanage foundations and raised up men across the world that have seen their lives and that of others transformed.
That you have not been impacted by them does not mean countless others have not be blessed by their ministries. That does not make them a thief.
A politician is good or bad by his or her choice Nd not tied to the church.
This law is dead on arrival. The government should face their responsibility of providing good roads, economy,power and good governance.

360degreess:
... If this CAMA law was during GEJ's tenure you wouldn't have said this. Religious sentiment is the major problem of this country.. But why is it that it's the pastors that are complaining about this?. It's simply because church is been run like a normal dubious business organization. Shame on the pastors..

Well, GEJ would never have passed such law. Never. Only Buhari the Jihadist would agree to it 100%.

emmykingzy:


Laying baseless and non factual claims just to score a point. Show proof of them stealing. Most of the best universities, secondary and primary schools are built by the church. Including hospitals , orphanage foundations and raised up men across the world that have seen their lives and that of others transformed.
That you have not been impacted by them does not mean countless others have not be blessed by their ministries. That does not make them a thief.
A politician is good or bad by his or her choice Nd not tied to the church.
This law is dead on arrival. The government should face their responsibility of providing good roads, economy,power and good governance.

The fact and proof you requested are right before you, do not reason with sentiments......

How many members of those best church schools can afford their fees?..........
when they wanted to build these schools they task the members to contribute towards it by sharing papers for you to plege/contribute and for workers in the church it's compulsory to donate towards it......these workers are both poor and rich in the church...... today the schools/estimates etc are built, then the poor in the church cannot afford it... that is OBT.... using God to thieves....
some of the Pastorprenours use their account/private jets to Luanda politicians money...they are encouraging corruption and looting the treasury.....etc

You can't give scholarship to one person out of one million and claim you are doing scholarship...(audio), the money the GOs/Pastorprenours claim ownership (wealthiest pastor) are people's (members) money.......that is what makes them thieves...

Pay offerings (4-5 services per Sunday)
Pay prophet offering
Pay unending building offering
Pay anoiting oil offerings
Pay Shiloh sercrifice offerings
Pay tithe (10% of you monthly/business income)
Pay pastors to come to preach to your church
Pay #1000 according to the your number of year
Pay for special weekly program s
Pay for department/unit dues
Pay pay pay pay for this and that.... unending

For a poor and developing Country like Nigeria....
You are very wicked and heartless like the Devil

Keep waiting for impactation while many are dying by the day.........

Criminals...... Wolf in sheep clothing..... enslaving their guilible members

mavisbeacon:


Well, GEJ would never have passed such law. Never. Only Buhari the Jihadist would agree to it 100%.

You are worst than Buhari..... don't let ignorant/hatred kill you....

Psalmy2cute:

it affects them but they wont condemn it.. because the current president is Muslim.. so they'd rather sit in the fence

You are far from the truth.... Muslim don't use God to lie/scam people the way your Pastorprenour do

desiredhome:


You are worst than Buhari..... don't let ignorant/hatred kill you....

Worst than?

360degreess:
... If this CAMA law was during GEJ's tenure you wouldn't have said this. Religious sentiment is the major problem of this country.. But why is it that it's the pastors that are complaining about this?. It's simply because church is been run like a normal dubious business organization. Shame on the pastors..

Can you hear your self "shame on the pastors"

desiredhome:


You are far from the truth.... Muslim don't use God to lie/scam people the way your Pastorprenour do

but muslims use the name of God to kill other people the way the Quran instructed them right?.. Islam is the most hated religion in the world.. dont try to point fingers now..

even the muslim imams here in the sw are no different from the pastors you're trying to condemn think of something else to say mr man

Psalmy2cute:

but muslims use the name of God to kill other people the way the Quran instructed them right?.. Islam is the most hated religion in the world.. dont try to point fingers now..

even the muslim imams here in the sw are no different from the pastors you're trying to condemn think of something else to say mr man

This is what religion has thought us/done to us...
Meaning religion is the weapon the devil is using to destroy human kind.......
These is when we take selfishness/greed into religion.....sadly......

There are killings in both the Bible and the Quran and there are people that uses the both books for good and evil as well......

The fact is even the Christians do not even love themselves (as Christians)........
The fighting here and there are what the religious leaders are using to claim suprinmacy.......

But when it comes to money they unit (in Nigeria).......like the politicians

edoairways:

do you know there is a phrase in the new law that says the registrar general can remove the board of trustees at will and without a re-dress in court ? That is to say the registrar general is even superior to the the supreme court. That is what CAN is against

Stop the propaganda.....let the church/business centers do the right thing for which they were registered for and stop feeling threatened......
Church is not a one man business......
If they don't have something to hide why the shouting?

360degreess:
... If this CAMA law was during GEJ's tenure you wouldn't have said this. Religious sentiment is the major problem of this country.. But why is it that it's the pastors that are complaining about this?. It's simply because church is been run like a normal dubious business organization. Shame on the pastors..

Why don't you just personalized things here. How many churches have u attend, don't just run your mouth like tap.

desiredhome:


Stop the propaganda.....let the church/business centers do the right thing for which they were registered for and stop feeling threatened......
Church is not a one man business......
If they don't have something to hide why the shouting?

That is the truth Mr.

edoairways:

That is the truth Mr.

The truth is always bitter

360degreess:
... If this CAMA law was during GEJ's tenure you wouldn't have said this. Religious sentiment is the major problem of this country.. But why is it that it's the pastors that are complaining about this?. It's simply because church is been run like a normal dubious business organization. Shame on the pastors..

And what is more dubious than your useless federal government, how can a government who has zero accountability want to run a Church.
It will never work!!

sbaks:
I would have kicked against this law BUT some churches (asides orthodox) have been run like business organizations so........... (I reserve this comment)
CAMA IS INDEED A BITCH

it is good Adeboye should be the first casualty
The brought this stupid regime
Let them reap their stupidity
They thought they were immune,that only the masses will suffer while they rub shoulders
Abi was their osinbajo not there when this law was passed,what could he do nothing

360degreess:
... If this CAMA law was during GEJ's tenure you wouldn't have said this. Religious sentiment is the major problem of this country.. But why is it that it's the pastors that are complaining about this?. It's simply because church is been run like a normal dubious business organization. Shame on the pastors..

Your foolishness has reached high-heavens and only repentant souls can save you!
Pastors are not complaining but what an elderly man sees while sitting down a man like you that climbed a tree-top will not see it! Just watch what tomorrow has in stock for people like you.
You have not told us why Boko-Haram leaders were dealt with by the Olusegun Obasanjo,right away there in Borno State then and everything went down.No where in the World would a CAMA changes be greater than 'The Federal Republic Constitution'as the Registrar's in CAC is claiming!

CodeTemplar:
I can see you have switched to what you came for - personal beef.
I just reminded you Buhari and his team of top professionals counted it as part of his achievement but you are here foaming in the mouth like someone fresh out of shrine where they worship spirit of mumuism and backwards gods.

HMMMMMM

YOU WERE JUST TRYING TO MISCHEIVIOSLY MIMIC THE ASSERTION. SHRINE CARETAKER YOUR COVER IS BLOWN.

GoldHorse:


Maybe others are quiet because they have nothing to hide. No hidden agenda. Does our churches with branches in UK and USA not obey their NGO laws?

You think all is well within the circle of those that are quite financially? You will be dreaming if you think so
On the issue of the branches in Uk, USA, my answer to you will be like this: You don't give what you don't have.
A nation and government, financially that have not proven themselves worthy as credible entity, want to regulate the finances of the church, what an irony. Can a pot call a kettle black?
Have this government , even the CAC, that wants to regulate, purged themselves of the putrefying corruption odour around them?

360degreess:
... If this CAMA law was during GEJ's tenure you wouldn't have said this. Religious sentiment is the major problem of this country.. But why is it that it's the pastors that are complaining about this?. It's simply because church is been run like a normal dubious business organization. Shame on the pastors..

360degreess:
... If this CAMA law was during GEJ's tenure you wouldn't have said this. Religious sentiment is the major problem of this country.. But why is it that it's the pastors that are complaining about this?. It's simply because church is been run like a normal dubious business organization. Shame on the pastors..

you know christians will never keep quite on what is wrong in this country

PrinceMajestic:
instead of you to remember African sufferings and liberation, you're remembering your roman slave masters. I forbid slaves from quoting me, better keep off my mention

OR ELSE WAT

honeyB2018:


You think all is well within the circle of those that are quite financially? You will be dreaming if you think so
On the issue of the branches in Uk, USA, my answer to you will be like this: You don't give what you don't have.
A nation and government, financially that have not proven themselves worthy as credible entity, want to regulate the finances of the church, what an irony. Can a pot call a kettle black?
Have this government , even the CAC, that wants to regulate, purged themselves of the putrefying corruption odour around them?

You are saying that their is no problem with the law (because the churches are complying in the UK and co) but they should not obey it (in Nigeria) because our government is corrupt?

desiredhome:


The fact and proof you requested are right before you, do not reason with sentiments......

How many members of those best church schools can afford their fees?..........
when they wanted to build these schools they task the members to contribute towards it by sharing papers for you to plege/contribute and for workers in the church it's compulsory to donate towards it......these workers are both poor and rich in the church...... today the schools/estimates etc are built, then the poor in the church cannot afford it... that is OBT.... using God to thieves....
some of the Pastorprenours use their account/private jets to Luanda politicians money...they are encouraging corruption and looting the treasury.....etc

You can't give scholarship to one person out of one million and claim you are doing scholarship...(audio), the money the GOs/Pastorprenours claim ownership (wealthiest pastor) are people's (members) money.......that is what makes them thieves...

Pay offerings (4-5 services per Sunday)
Pay prophet offering
Pay unending building offering
Pay anoiting oil offerings
Pay Shiloh sercrifice offerings
Pay tithe (10% of you monthly/business income)
Pay pastors to come to preach to your church
Pay #1000 according to the your number of year
Pay for special weekly program s
Pay for department/unit dues
Pay pay pay pay for this and that.... unending

For a poor and developing Country like Nigeria....
You are very wicked and heartless like the Devil

Keep waiting for impactation while many are dying by the day.........

Criminals...... Wolf in sheep clothing..... enslaving their guilible members

Dude, stop generalising everything. The fact that there are fake pastors does not make all pastors fake but it is proof that there are geninue ones. Most of the things you wrote here are in error and from a stand of lack of understanding in these matters.
If you think the best and quality education offered by these churches is expensive or for its members, go try ignorance or better still send your children to our free and public schools of today. These institutions were setup with a plan to be the best in the world and most members get that but an outsider won't but paint a picture of wickedness.
Nobody starts a world class business and gives out it's products free of charge to its shareholders. If you think so, go start with your business and share all your products free to family Nd friends for supporting you. Then let's see you grow. No wonder these schools are reputed best in the country and even west Africa.
But I know for a fact that millions have been spent on scholarships to deserving and eligible wards from those churches while employing hundreds of thousands of church members as workers in those institutions who are well paid and not owed salaries unlike our government agencies.
The church is the body of Christ and owned by Jesus Christ the builder of His Church. Every true pastor knows this and would never claim ownership of the church, hence, they are not signatories to the church accounts but have boards and committees that supervise those accounts .if Any pastor/founder claims that the church is his then you have spotted your fake pastor. So stop generalising.
l don't get your claim that all pastors corner money. The worst place/place to steal from is from God. You can steal from government or any other place and get a away with it for a season but not with God's money. You will pay for it instantly and many have died untimely as a result .
Giving your offerings or tithes in church is absolutely voluntary and not by force. Giving is living and it's absolutely between the giver and His God. Someone must receive the physical money buts its absolutely a spiritual transaction so why paint it as a terrible thing to do. Those things a biblical and not religion. So it's done from a spiritual understanding. If you don't give has anybody slapped you for not doing it but millions have been blessed by giving and you want to paint that as a bad thing to do.

The government don't have the right to unilaterally suspend the board of trustees of the church and appoint just anyone to head it without recourse to the court. Where is that done? Religion is spiritual and should be handled with understanding. That you have issues with some fake pastors and so think that CAMA is the way to go about changing those things is proof that you are highly sentimental.

No matter how we do, Nigeria forever is doom
Religious sentiment, even amongst the Christians and Muslims there is still hatred, Political sentiment, APC VS PDP (forget the rest, they are end of year party), Tribal war, regional conflicts etc. Forget Nigeria can never be the right place for unified existence.
Just take your bath and start looking for food...ahhh ahh
Buhari this, Buhari that we all voted for him...Aminals...Kptcheeeewww

GoldHorse:


You are saying that their is no problem with the law (because the churches are complying in the UK and co) but they should not obey it (in Nigeria) because our government is corrupt?

Alot is wrong with the law. If you have gone through my initial post, I told you, how CAMA2020 came into being.
The business community, needed an ease to doing business in Nigeria, which was not in CAMA 90 They in conjunction with international businessme, sold their ideas, to the government officials their ideas and views, were bought by the government. But who sought for the views of the Pentecostal churches, NGOs and the supposedly religious group?
Secondly, is it not an aberration, that a government and agency, who lacks credibility and full of corruption, is about to regulate the finances of an organization, they contributed nothing to build,
In the advanced countries of the world , you quoted, there is fairness, equity and justice and the government and agencies there are transparent. Can you say that of this government and its agencies?
You are aware of the rot in EFCC, what of NDDC, your NASS nko? Who passed the law or amendment.
So a whole lot is wrong with the law. You don't give what you don't have.
This is a corruption government, CAC, in my views, can't be said to be free, So what is your business, checking others for corruption?

emmykingzy:



Dude, stop generalising everything. The fact that there are fake pastors does not make all pastors fake but it is proof that there are geninue ones. Most of the things you wrote here are in error and from a stand of lack of understanding in these matters.
If you think the best and quality education offered by these churches is expensive or for its members, go try ignorance or better still send your children to our free and public schools of today. These institutions were setup with a plan to be the best in the world and most members get that but an outsider won't but paint a picture of wickedness.
Nobody starts a world class business and gives out it's products free of charge to its shareholders. If you think so, go start with your business and share all your products free to family Nd friends for supporting you. Then let's see you grow. No wonder these schools are reputed best in the country and even west Africa.
But I know for a fact that millions have been spent on scholarships to deserving and eligible wards from those churches while employing hundreds of thousands of church members as workers in those institutions who are well paid and not owed salaries unlike our government agencies.
The church is the body of Christ and owned by Jesus Christ the builder of His Church. Every true pastor knows this and would never claim ownership of the church, hence, they are not signatories to the church accounts but have boards and committees that supervise those accounts .if Any pastor/founder claims that the church is his then you have spotted your fake pastor. So stop generalising.
l don't get your claim that all pastors corner money. The worst place/place to steal from is from God. You can steal from government or any other place and get a away with it for a season but not with God's money. You will pay for it instantly and many have died untimely as a result .
Giving your offerings or tithes in church is absolutely voluntary and not by force. Giving is living and it's absolutely between the giver and His God. Someone must receive the physical money buts its absolutely a spiritual transaction so why paint it as a terrible thing to do. Those things a biblical and not religion. So it's done from a spiritual understanding. If you don't give has anybody slapped you for not doing it but millions have been blessed by giving and you want to paint that as a bad thing to do.

The government don't have the right to unilaterally suspend the board of trustees of the church and appoint just anyone to head it without recourse to the court. Where is that done? Religion is spiritual and should be handled with understanding. That you have issues with some fake pastors and so think that CAMA is the way to go about changing those things is proof that you are highly sentimental.

That there are criminal pastors doesn't mean there are no genuine pastors, unfortunately the fake/false pastors have overtaken.......
The fake pastors/Pastorprenours know themselves.......

The question here is why collecting money from the members to build those schools?....you collect from the poor in the church yet they are not qualified because they are poor, I say it again you are more than evil...... world class ko......

You and your Pastorprenours are not above the authority of the government, if you think otherwise you have to go get your own country else where.....shikina.

desiredhome:


The fact and proof you requested are right before you, do not reason with sentiments......

How many members of those best church schools can afford their fees?..........
when they wanted to build these schools they task the members to contribute towards it by sharing papers for you to plege/contribute and for workers in the church it's compulsory to donate towards it......these workers are both poor and rich in the church...... today the schools/estimates etc are built, then the poor in the church cannot afford it... that is OBT.... using God to thieves....
some of the Pastorprenours use their account/private jets to Luanda politicians money...they are encouraging corruption and looting the treasury.....etc

You can't give scholarship to one person out of one million and claim you are doing scholarship...(audio), the money the GOs/Pastorprenours claim ownership (wealthiest pastor) are people's (members) money.......that is what makes them thieves...

Pay offerings (4-5 services per Sunday)
Pay prophet offering
Pay unending building offering
Pay anoiting oil offerings
Pay Shiloh sercrifice offerings
Pay tithe (10% of you monthly/business income)
Pay pastors to come to preach to your church
Pay #1000 according to the your number of year
Pay for special weekly program s
Pay for department/unit dues
Pay pay pay pay for this and that.... unending

For a poor and developing Country like Nigeria....
You are very wicked and heartless like the Devil

Keep waiting for impactation while many are dying by the day.........

Criminals...... Wolf in sheep clothing..... enslaving their guilible members

I don't know where you come from, but when someone from your region is accused of corruption, you will defend him and ask if the money belongs to anyone. You claim it is your money. E.g, in Yoruba land,accuse Tinubu of corruption, and see how his supporters will bounce on you.
The billion van case, as a case study. Tinubu said, it's his money.
The same happened, in Bayelsa, during Alamesigha trial, the Bayelsans said it is their money and not anyone else
So, the money in question, is it your money or that of the federal government? Why are you crying more than the bereaved?
Has any of the poors, complained to you and the government, that their money is missing?
By the way, if you fellowship in a place, where they collect offerings 100 times, are you forced to give and why must you remain there to cause problems?
Is it not a shame, that a corrupt government and agency, wants to talk about corruption in a place, they didn't invest a dime?
Is it not a shame, that a corrupt institution, like NASS, is passing this amendments to law?
The bad odor of corruption, spewing out from Efcc, NDDC, and other agencies don't allow people breath well. This CAMA, will die.

honeyB2018:


I don't know where you come from, but when someone from your region is accused of corruption, you will defend him and ask if the money belongs to anyone. You claim it is your money. E.g, in Yoruba land,accuse Tinubu of corruption, and see how his supporters will bounce on you.
The billion van case, as a case study. Tinubu said, it's his money.
The same happened, in Bayelsa, during Alamesigha trial, the Bayelsans said it is their money and not anyone else
So, the money in question, is it your money or that of the federal government? Why are you crying more than the bereaved?
Has any of the poors, complained to you and the government, that their money is missing?
By the way, if you fellowship in a place, where they collect offerings 100 times, are you forced to give and why must you remain there to cause problems?
Is it not a shame, that a corrupt government and agency, wants to talk about corruption in a place, they didn't invest a dime?
Is it not a shame, that a corrupt institution, like NASS, is passing this amendments to law?
The bad odor of corruption, spewing out from Efcc, NDDC, and other agencies don't allow people breath well. This CAMA, will die.

I just laughed over your dumbest reasoning..... sounds like someone who has been over brainwashed by these charlatans..........how ignorant can you be?........
Using God's name to deceive/do evil is already a curse to you evil men...it's blaphemin.......
Justifying it with the politicians means you are worst than the politicians........
What the Bible called wolf in sheep's clothing.....
Enslaving citizens yet still blame the government..you are heartless and evil.....no wonder the demons in you are fighting against the CAMA law so that they will continue to enslave their guilible members.......thieves.....
Where is your conscience? Heartless criminals