Jesus said:

Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV)
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV)

So Jesus advised men especially those of His church against laying up of treasures here on Earth because He very well knew such treasures would be vulnerable to corruption and thieves. Hence the likes of Peter and John who were the leaders of His church heeding His advice, and not laying up their treasures on the Earth but in heaven, so that their treasures would not be vulnerable to such.

Therefore if present day church leaders foolishly chose to do the otherwise and laid up treasures for themselves on Earth, despite that Jesus the Master had advised against such, and their earthly treasures were being threatened by corruption and thieves as Jesus had warned would happen to such, they'd have no else to blame but themselves, because they had chosen to despise these very wise sayings of Jesus.

God bless.

jesusjnr2020:
Jesus said:

Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV)
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV)

So Jesus advised men especially those of His church against laying up of treasures here on Earth because He very well knew such treasures would be vulnerable to corruption and thieves. Hence the likes of Peter and John who were the leaders of His church heeding His advice, and not laying up their treasures on the Earth but in heaven, so that their treasures would not be vulnerable to such.

Therefore if present day church leaders foolishly chose to do the otherwise and laid up treasures for themselves on Earth, despite that Jesus the Master had advised against such, and their earthly treasures were being threatened by corruption and thieves as Jesus had warned would happen to such, they'd have no else to blame but themselves, because they had chosen to despise these very wise sayings of Jesus.

God bless.

They have long betrayed Jesus. Don't you get it? They have spat on his face and crucified him.
These are Yahoo guys extremely good at the game they play. Dem no send Jesus. which Jesus? They are after the doe. $$$$$$$ is what they are after.
But guess what? The laws of CAMA is knocking on their doors. CAMA IS A BITCH

jesusjnr2020:
Jesus said:

Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV)
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV)

Guy Dem no send heaven o. Which heaven? Omo the guys want flex here mehn. Na Earth Dem dey lay that treasure and maybe Dem get reason. Omo forget that thing. Pastor sweet die. You go church for ministration (Especially an invited ministration). Shake body. Arrange people to give testimonies before you mount pulpit. Ask Dem to bring money (meanwhile na the church dey pay for your hotel o. Some go arrange all these olosho ushers to service you join and YES ITS COMMON), Dem raise prophet offering of 2milla, you release prayer. You go house max 3 days you have made what some people make in 4 months. correct business. Just hustle for invitations. You fit even see vision for some babes make Dem naked for you to deliver them and they will.
These may look like a joke but so sad it's happening. The laws of CAMA is here already.
CAMA IS A BITCH

There's money in prophetic ministry like SERIOUS MONEY I tell you. Na the industry wey sure pass now for this economy. So sad people do this.

People who barely have money for house rent will bring what they have to the apostles feet so they can see 'magic money'. But alas, they are caught up in their own greed and discontentment too as they meet with these high class fraudsters as pastors. Too bad!

jesusjnr2020:
Jesus said:

Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV)
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV)

So Jesus advised men especially those of His church against laying up of treasures here on Earth because He very well knew such treasures would be vulnerable to corruption and thieves. Hence the likes of Peter and John who were the leaders of His church heeding His advice, and not laying up their treasures on the Earth but in heaven, so that their treasures would not be vulnerable to such.

Therefore if present day church leaders foolishly chose to do the otherwise and laid up treasures for themselves on Earth, despite that Jesus the Master had advised against such, and their earthly treasures were being threatened by corruption and thieves as Jesus had warned would happen to such, they'd have no else to blame but themselves, because they had chosen to despise these very wise sayings of Jesus.

God bless.

Cama is not about treasure but control. Secular world cannot run spiritual affairs. Its not of God . It has no regard for big or small churches .

A fool is destroyed by the letters he reads without hearing what the Spirit is saying to the Church.

A fool destroys his God's given vision and dreams without the ministeration and direction of the Spirit.

A fool is destroyed by wilful ignorance due to absence of the Holy Spirit.

A fool reads or acts foolishly without hearing from God the Holy Spirit.

A fool only inputs and stores datas of the scriptures into his memory without spiritual connection and understanding.

Weigh yourself...

petra1:



Cama is not about treasure but control. Secular world cannot run spiritual affairs. Its not of God . It has no regard for big or small churches .

Petra1 my good friend, who's deceiving who here? Whether treasure or control, everything boils down to money. Your man Oyedepo said the government was jealous of the prosperity of the church. So what does that tell you about the crux of his outrage?

Is such not operational in some other nations where his church branches are? So why all the fuss about the same happening here in Nigeria?

If you spent as much time defending Jesus as you do these modern day Pharisees, you'd be in a much better place. If you can't clearly see the rot in the church, then you really have to ask yourself some questions.

jesusjnr2020:
Jesus said:

Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV)
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV)

So Jesus advised men especially those of His church against laying up of treasures here on Earth because He very well knew such treasures would be vulnerable to corruption and thieves. Hence the likes of Peter and John who were the leaders of His church heeding His advice, and not laying up their treasures on the Earth but in heaven, so that their treasures would not be vulnerable to such.

Therefore if present day church leaders foolishly chose to do the otherwise and laid up treasures for themselves on Earth, despite that Jesus the Master had advised against such, and their earthly treasures were being threatened by corruption and thieves as Jesus had warned would happen to such, they'd have no else to blame but themselves, because they had chosen to despise these very wise sayings of Jesus.

God bless.

They will be Judged by the Lord, not man.

jesusjnr2020:
Petra1 my good friend, who's deceiving who here? Whether treasure or control, everything boils down to money. Your man Oyedepo said the government was jealous of the prosperity of the church. So what does that tell you about the crux of his outrage?

Is such not operational in some other nations where his church branches are? So why all the fuss about the same happening here in Nigeria?

If you spent as much time defending Jesus as you do these modern day Pharisees, you'd be in a much better place. If you can't clearly see the rot in the church, then you really have to ask yourself some questions.

The rules of engagement abroad is clear, certain, understood and every participant abides by their respective roles.

No one is allowed to breach his duty.

This is not so here in Nigeria. The Rules of Engagement is a Fraud, frought with deceits, selective and unstable and Unfounded andcan never be trusted to be relied upon.

That is why the Amendments is Rejected because those provisions already exist even before the Amendments were made but People Do Not Exercise their Natural Rights in this country and Nigerians are even more weaklings in fighting for their own good.

He is right to fight for his good and any other person who has a good should take their own good.

The Tenets of the Law is for Everyone to Live Honestly, Hurt No One and Render to Every One His Due!

sbaks:
People who barely have money for house rent will bring what they have to the apostles feet so they can see 'magic money'. But alas, they are caught up in their own greed and discontentment too as they meet with these high class fraudsters as pastors. Too bad!

A voluntary gift is not a crime! Anything you gave willingly is no longer yours and the receiver can do whatever he likes with your gift,

If you do not want him to do whatever he likes the simple solution is to stop giving.

Remove your eyes from them or nothing stops you from doing as they have done.

jesusjnr2020:
Petra1 my good friend, who's deceiving who here? Whether treasure or control, everything boils down to money

Youre wrong .

It is said that the CAMA officials Have right to suspend the trustee of churches if believe if they notice what they term as "wrong "

They can appoint trustees and Can add trustees (imagine an alhaji as church trustee)

They can Suspend leadership of a church .

This is not by court trial oh. But as they deem fit .

If they see you have saving account . Unused it can be tramsfer to CAC.

They reserve the right to transfer property.

They are indirectly taking over the church.

Any Christian backing such insult have betrayed christ .

Men of God put their lives in the work. Especially those who operate in certain gifts such as mitaxle ,healing or prophetic . They receive gifts and money which they put in the church. This is not tithes or offering .

Is such not operational in some other nations where his church branches are? So why all the fuss about the same happening here in Nigeria?

You will as well support the ban in public preaching just because its obtainable in another country. Ask the early church about about total submission to every law . You must know that the enemy is behind such laws . Secondly it was not like that in other nation until the enemy overan the governments ,too over and began to make anti church laws. Once upon a time in UK. Laws were pro church. TV stations were not allowed to operate on Sundays until 12 noon so that people can go to church.
Same UK has been taken over by the enemy. And you're using such law as reference. the is trying to take over government worldwide and some Christians dont see it.

If you spent as much time defending Jesus as you do these modern day Pharisees, you'd be in a much better place. If you can't clearly see the rot in the church, then you really have to ask yourself some questions

Wrong again . In all my post i defend the faith. It doesn't matter what denominations. I defend the body of Jesus. Thats what a soulwinner should do . Not attacking the body alongside with the enemy

petra1:


Youre wrong .

It is said that the CAMA officials Have right to suspend the trustee of churches if believe if they notice what they term as "wrong "

They can appoint trustees and Can add trustees (imagine an alhaji as church trustee)

They can Suspend leadership of a church .

This is not by court trial oh. But as they deem fit .

If they see you have saving account . Unused it can be tramsfer to CAC.

They reserve the right to transfer property.

They are indirectly taking over the church.

Any Christian backing such insult have betrayed christ .

Men of God put their lives in the work. Especially those who operate in certain gifts such as mitaxle ,healing or prophetic . They receive gifts and money which they put in the church. This is not tithes or offering .



You will as well support the ban in public preaching just because its obtainable in another country. Ask the early church about about total submission to every law . You must know that the enemynis behind such laws . Secondly it was not like that in other nation until the enemy too over . Once upon a time in UK. Laws were pro church. TV stations were not allowed to operate on Sundays until noon so that people can go to church. Same enemy is trying to take over government worldwide and some Christians dont see it.



Wrong again . In all my post i defend the faith. It doesn't matter what denominations. I defend the body of Jesus. Thats what a soulwinner should do . Not attacking the body alongside with the enemy

Lol! Betrayed Christ? What has Christ got to do with men who were planted Into the church by the devil and not Him? Maybe the modern day Pharisees have now become your Christ, since now exposing their hypocrisy and iniquity now means betraying Christ.

You would have said same of Jesus if you were an Israelite then, and you saw Him doing same to the Pharisees of their day who were leaders in the only authentic House of God ever built with men's hands. You should know that they despite being leaders in God's house and highly esteemed of men like you, they were an abomination in the sight of God and were not planted in His house by Him.

Hence when they were said to be offended by such things which Jesus did, Jesus said, "Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch."Let them alone: Let they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." Matthew 15:13-14

So do not be surprised that you're offended when someone was doing what Jesus would have done to the blind leaders of the church if He were here, because you're no different from the blind being led by the blind leaders which Jesus talked about on that occasion.

But thank God that not all are blindly following the blind leaders as the likes of you, for then there were the likes of John the Baptist and the disciples of Jesus who could see the blind leaders of their time for who they really were, and hence were aligned to what Jesus was doing at the time to them, today there are the likes of us also following His example and making Him proud.

Maybe you don't still know that Jesus had foretold Satan's planting of his own inside Christ own church while men slept, and also that many anointed leaders of His own church would be sent back because of their works of iniquity on the last day, so would that mean Christ betraying Himself to you?

If you choose to remain blind to the reality of Jesus' sayings being actualized by those mammon worshipping Pharisees of our time, it's up to you. But thank God not everyone is blind to the Truth as the likes of you.

One more thing, Satan would be very proud of you, because you're hence serving the purpose why he planted his own inside the church.

jesusjnr2020:
Petra1 my good friend, who's deceiving who here? Whether treasure or control, everything boils down to money. Your man Oyedepo said the government was jealous of the prosperity of the church. So what does that tell you about the crux of his outrage?


Is such not operational in some other nations where his church branches are? So why all the fuss about the same happening here in Nigeria?

If you spent as much time defending Jesus as you do these modern day Pharisees, you'd be in a much better place. If you can't clearly see the rot in the church, then you really have to ask yourself some questions.

Mention one church that doesn't run with money.

Every man's ministry isn't the same size. Some will need a 50,000 seater hall. Others will need just 100 MB per month. Ministry is different from ministry.

jesusjnr2020:
Lol! Betrayed Christ? What has Christ got to do with men who were planted Into the church by the devil and not Him?

Before I answer you kindly tell us Who are these men? be specific. Every minister? Or every minister of Big churches?

Maybe the modern day Pharisees have now become your Christ, since now exposing their hypocrisy and iniquity now means betraying Christ

.

Thats an insult. I will let it pass

You would have said same of Jesus if you were an Israelite then, and you saw Him doing same to the Pharisees of their day

Those who still have issues to deal with in their flesh through anger, guile , insults etc always excuse their flesh by comparing themselves with Jesus . Firstly it is unscriptural to insult ministers of God .

Exodus 22:28
Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

We may open a thread on it if you want so we don't derail topic here .

Secondly A minister can only be rebuked by a senior minister or someone who have authority in that jurisdiction. It was never given for members to insult or rebuke a leader. Jesus had authority as christ . And those who take delight in spewing guile out of their blessed mouth . How can a Christian insults ministers ? Where did they get that from?

who were leaders in the only authentic House of God ever built with men's hands. You should know that they despite being leaders in God's house and highly esteemed of men like you, they were an abomination in the sight of God and were not planted in His house by Him

You have to prove this. Who are these leaders . If you cant prove it you've sinned against God and Jesus.

Hence when they were said to be offended by such things which Jesus did, Jesus said, "Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch."Let them alone: Let they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." Matthew 15:13-14

That is left for jesus to do. Not you . He is the one who knows each man's motive

1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

today there are the likes of us also following His example and making Him proud.

Hitler said the same thing.

John 16:2
. . . the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Every man is right in his own eyes. You see from the light you were brought up. Prove all things by scripture

Maybe you don't still know that Jesus had foretold Satan's planting of his own inside Christ own church while men slept, and also that many anointed leaders of His own church would be sent back because of their works of iniquity on the last day, so would that mean Christ betraying Himself to you?

Two things you will kindly do for us . Firstly Who are these men . And prove their wrong by scripture . If you cant . You've sinned . Blasphemy

.

But thank God not everyone is blind to the Truth as the likes of you.

I hear you

One more thing, Satan would be very proud of you, because you're hence serving the purpose why he planted his own inside the church.

Its rather the other way. Satan does not need to oay people to attack the church as long as certain individuals are there doing it free for him

Lastly sharing God's word or making your opinion know does not need to degenerate into fleshly manifestation .

2 Timothy 2:24
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

CodeTemplar:


Mention one church that doesn't run with money.

Every man's ministry isn't the same size. Some will need a 50,000 seater hall. Others will need just 100 MB per month. Ministry is different from ministry.

True

All these evil people coming here to insult Pastors, after their fathers wasted their contributions to sponsor Boko Haram.
They are jealous of Church advancements, they are all gates of hell and will never prevail in Jesus Name.
Churches have over 80% of the private universities, best secondary and primary schools in Nigeria.
Government that can not manage Oil Money are talking about Church finances.
My advice to GMB is to listen and reverse the stupid law.
GMB should send his economic team plus CAC Directors to WINNERS OR RCCG for leadership training.
CAMA KO! CAMA NI.

Dele Momodu wrote
THIS FOR ME IS THE BEST ARGUMENT SO FAR AGAINST CAMA... ENJOY.

"NIGERIAN PASTORS

They are running their churches 100% better than the way the president is running the country.

The fact is many Nigerians are loosing it. They can't think beyond going after pastors.

In what way has pastors prevented Nigeria from owning an airline

In what way do pastors prevent Nigeria from having industries

Less than 0.0001% of pastors own Jets in Nigeria. ----but no, let us forget the over 70% that earn less than 50k/month and focus on the 0.0001% than own jets.

If you run your governments the way church leaders are running churches. Nigeria might be a Qatar right now. In all these argument Canaanland has had stable electricity and water supply for its over 15,000 residents since 1999 and is already on the verge of converting waste to electricity. RCCG is producing 25MW of electricity. Yet your ... govt you pay compulsory tax, vat, CIT, Pet Tax has not been able to give you light decades after independence.

Living Faith has more than 25,000 Staff and has never owed any of them salary! Yet your state govt that collects Allocation plus Tax cannot pay full salary.

Living Faith, a single Church, is schooling 16 thousand of your Citizens in Higher institutions and many more at primary and Secondary levels yet you think you have the capacity to waggle your tongue

I went for Shiloh all through and stayed in the staff quarters, yet it was electricity all through; for one second, water did not go off in spite of thousands that were present. On a normal day you won't walk 20 metres before you find a segregated bin to dispose your waste.

The entire area was fully covered by different layers of Security with multiple CCTV and IoT enabled barrier gates. And yet your Abuja, capital of the Nation does not have CCTV yet you open your .... mouth to talk down on pastors!

Between the guy that calls himself Area father and Bishop David Oyedepo Ministries International who resigned a federal job and started a Church of 3 people and has widened it to over 6,000 churches globally, over 200 schools, 2 hospitals, Over 1000 hectares farm for livestock and crop, Another farm in Igbesa and CU. With 15,000 housing Estate in progress, Water factories, Zeolite factory, One Research center, a scholarship fund, Beverage factories, 10 million books, Publishing house, Radio Station etc who has had more impact or who will have better capacity to govern the nation...??

Canaanland hosts hundreds of thousands of people every week yet no stampede ever. Government gathered people at stadium for recruitment exercise and before it even began, many were dead!

Living Faith already has a master plan till 2032 yet govt does not have a plan for 2020!

You know Illogicality is the trademark of most Africans. They fail to think beyond their prejudices and sentiments hence Africa has remained on the ground.

Can we imagine how developed the nation would have been if we have people with the right mindset at the helm of the nation’s affairs? God bless all our pastors.
THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE CAREFUL WITH THEIR TONGUE."

petra1:


Before I answer you kindly tell us Who are these men? be specific. Every minister? Or every minister of Big churches?

.

Thats an insult. I will let it pass



Those who still have issues to deal with in their flesh through anger, guile , insults etc always excuse their flesh by comparing themselves with Jesus . Firstly it is unscriptural to insult ministers of God .

Exodus 22:28
Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

We may open a thread on it if you want so we don't derail topic here .

Secondly A minister can only be rebuked by a senior minister or someone who have authority in that jurisdiction. It was never given for members to insult or rebuke a leader. Jesus had authority as christ . And those who take delight in spewing guile out of their blessed mouth . How can a Christian insults ministers ? Where did they get that from?



You have to prove this. Who are these leaders . If you cant prove it you've sinned against God and Jesus.



That is left for jesus to do. Not you . He is the one who knows each man's motive

1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.



Hitler said the same thing.

John 16:2
. . . the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Every man is right in his own eyes. You see from the light you were brought up. Prove all things by scripture



Two things you will kindly do for us . Firstly Who are these men . And prove their wrong by scripture . If you cant . You've sinned . Blasphemy

.

I hear you



Its rather the other way. Satan does not need to oay people to attack the church as long as certain individuals are there doing it free for him

Lastly sharing God's word or making your opinion know does not need to degenerate into fleshly manifestation .

2 Timothy 2:24
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

So you now know Jesus had authority as Christ, but would you have known then?

Did the blind leaders of the blind then know Jesus had the authority to do those things He did when they asked Him who gave Him the authority to do such?

If Jesus had the authority to do so, how about John the Baptist who also called them "brood of vipers"?

How do you also know I have not been given authority to do what i do?

You contradict yourself by showing a scripture that condemns cursing of a leader of a nation, yet you're supporting those mammon worshipping church leaders who do so, to show that this had nothing to do with that scripture, God or anything else, but blind sentiments for your blind leaders.

If you like call that an insult, but that's nothing but the Truth. Besides you can't come here and talk about me betraying Christ because of
those mammon worshipping Pharisees. That's an insult of the highest order and it's only spiritual blindness that can make you say such a thing like that. You don't really know that the blind leaders have taken over the place of Christ in your life for you to dare Imply such a thing.

As I said earlier, your choice to keep being blind, but be rest assured that the ditch is where you'd eventually end up if you don't repent but continue on that foolish path.

A word is enough for the wise.

jesusjnr2020:
So you now know Jesus had authority as Christ, but would you have known then?

Did the blind leaders of the blind then know Jesus had the authority to do those things He did when they asked Him who gave Him the authority to do such?

If Jesus had the authority to do so, how about John the Baptist who also called them "brood of vipers"?

How do you also know I have not been given authority to do what i do?

Because youre not the only one in such error. Jesus was prophesied as messiah John was prophesied as the forebeareer. Who art thou? .

Those who rebelled against Moses believed same thing .

You contradict yourself by showing a scripture that condemns cursing of a leader of a nation, yet you're supporting those mammon worshipping church leaders who do so, to show that this had nothing to do with that scripture, God or anything else, but blind sentiments for your blind leaders

Youre yet to define who you're talking about. Who are they? Be specific. Then we can talk . Who are these "THEM"
which one of them cursed the Government.

If you like call that an insult, but that's nothing but the Truth. Besides you can't come here and talk about me betraying Christ because of
those mammon worshipping Pharisees. That's an insult of the highest order and it's only spiritual blindness that can make you say such a thing like that. You don't really know that the blind leaders have taken over the place of Christ in your life for you to dare Imply such a thing.

As I said earlier, your choice to keep being blind, but be rest assured that the ditch is where you'd eventually end up if you don't repent but continue on that foolish path.

A word is enough for the wise.

Your talk is still vague. Deal with facts . You're yet to define your accused .

Who is the mammon worshiper . What is his name , what way did he worship mammon . As long as you don't have facts . You're only doing same things as others .

petra1:


Because youre not the only one in such error. Jesus was prophesied as messiah John was prophesied as the forebeareer.

Now Imagine that, and yet They were still questioned and persecuted by the likes of you who didn't believe They were of God, especially because They spoke the Truth against the blind leaders of their day.

You're no different from them because if the haters of Jesus and John the baptist were here today, they would still claim knowledge of such just as you're doing, even though they remain blind to the Truth.

petra1:

Who art thou? .

Who art thou today because I'm now speaking the Truth against your blind leaders, lol!

You remind me of those who were said to have believed in Jesus but after a short while were also said to have picked up stones to stone Him because He spake the Truth. Just in case you forgot, this was what you told me only recently:

petra1:


Ma da anybody lohun jare . You're doing good.

Now the same you is asking me "who art thou" lol. Now you'd know why i didn't respond to your comment then, it was deliberate. Because knowing you fully well, It was only a matter of time before you'd bite your words. But I choose to take your good advice now not to mind anybody jare (including you), and to believe that I was doing good even though my "doing good" now hurts you.

petra1:


Those who rebelled against Moses believed same thing .

Believed what? Moses was not of God? Please show me one person who did otherwise forever hold your peace.

petra1:


Youre yet to define who you're talking about. Who are they? Be specific. Then we can talk . Who are these "THEM"
which one of them cursed the Government.

You're only deceiving yourself not someone else, if you feign ignorance of those i'm talking about, because it's because of "them" you're here. So quit the pretence!

petra1:


Your talk is still vague. Deal with facts . You're yet to define your accused .

Who is the mammon worshiper . What is his name , what way did he worship mammon . As long as you don't have facts . You're only doing same things as others .

Lol! There you go again with the pretense as if you don't know those i'm talking about. But you can keep fooling no one else but yourself with that act.

If you're blind to the Truth, how do you expect to see it? Continue following them blindly if you like, but you wouldn't say you weren't warned.

jesusjnr2020:
Now Imagine that, and yet They were still questioned and persecuted by the likes of you who didn't believe They were of God, especially because They spoke the Truth against the blind leaders of their day.

You're no different from them because if the haters of Jesus and John the baptist were here today, they would still claim knowledge of such just as you're doing, even though they remain blind to the Truth

Stop justifying yourself . This is error. Youre not permitted by God or the word of God to speak guile. And to speak evil of ministers. I can't even talk with you much on this because you are still generalising. What make a man evil minister . Youre yet to tell us. Is it because of their wealth or size of church. You see, youre just shooting gun in the air. Why not define who and what he did that shows he's not of God. If not youre in sin .

Who art thou today because I'm now speaking the Truth against your blind leaders, lol!

Who and what make them blind . Educate us . Maybe we are wrong .

You remind me of those who were said to have believed in Jesus but after a short while were also said to have picked up stones to stone Him because He spake the Truth. Just in case you forgot, this was what you told me only recently.Now the same you is asking me "who art thou" lol. Now you'd know why i didn't respond to your comment then, it was deliberate. Because knowing you fully well, It was only a matter of time before you'd bite your words. But I choose to take your good advice now not to mind anybody jare (including you), and to believe that I was doing good even though my "doing good" now hurts you.

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You got me wrong . I was Just encouraging a brother thats all. I think someone said you deactivated your account because of your failed prophecy or something . I just don't feel a mistake should make you quit. I never read your posts before. Maybe I did but didnt attach it to your name. As long as you're of christ you're my brother .

Believed what? Moses was not of God? Please show me one person who did otherwise forever hold your peace.

Read the bible. Numbers 15:1-6

just like what some of you do today . Its against principle of Gods kingdom. I play by the book.

You're only deceiving yourself not someone else, if you feign ignorance of those i'm talking about, because it's because of "them" you're here. So quit the pretence!

Here for the body of christ bro.

Lol! There you go again with the pretense as if you don't know those i'm talking about. But you can keep fooling no one else but yourself with that act.

If you're blind to the Truth, how do you expect to see it? Continue following them blindly if you like, but you wouldn't say you weren't warned.

Let me help you if you're afraid to call names . You said those who are against cama . Adeboye ,against cama ,oyedepo is against cama . Kumuyi is against Cama. They are all of CAN . And CAN jointly has stood against CAMA. So are you saying every minister in CAN are mammon worshiper or only those who have large congregation. your definition is not to trap you . Its for us to begin a discussion. We shall look at scriptures together . You back up your claim with scriptures and I do likewise

Some people are commissioned from hell to bring down the faith of babes in Christ. JesusJnr2020 is one of them on this forum.

For years now he has been criticizing, but I cannot remember him recommending any minister of God as a real one. Jesus said those who love him should feed his sheeps(figuratively). I cannot fathom how someone who truly loves Jesus and cares about Jesus' followers will not make any concrete attempt at feeding the sheeps or directing them to where they can be fed at least. He(jesusjnr) attacks atheists here and has no food for the sheeps of Jesus but wants to tell us people who are feeding these same sheep's are fake. May be the mega churches are supposed to sit their congregation under the rain and sunshine just to prove that they are not after big buildings but souls.

Even the bible says "all things answer to money". That verse simply means things of physical value can be exchanged with money. A christian restaurant or real estate owner shouldn't be expected to bring cooked meal or blocks to church but exchange the them for money then take his seed to the church as money, the church can then exchange money for their most pressing needs at that moment without having to brainstorm on how to preserve food or resell blocks and building materials. As long as church uses physical things for logistics, money must be involved to facilitate the exchange of these things.

Any attempt at representing the use of logistics as a crave for mammon is dead on arrival.

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Some people are commissioned from hell to bring down the faith of babes in Christ. JesusJnr2020 is one of them on this forum.

For years now he has been criticizing, but I cannot remember him recommending any minister of God as a real one. Jesus said those who love him should feed his sheeps(figuratively). I cannot fathom how someone who truly loves Jesus and cares about Jesus' followers will not make any concrete attempt at feeding the sheeps or directing them to where they can be fed at least. He(jesusjnr) attacks atheists here and has no food for the sheeps of Jesus but wants to tell us people who are feeding these same sheep's are fake. May be the mega churches are supposed to sit their congregation under the rain and sunshine just to prove that they are not after big buildings but souls.

Even the bible says "all things answer to money". That verse simply means things of physical value can be exchanged with money. A christian restaurant or real estate owner shouldn't be expected to bring cooked meal or blocks to church but exchange the them for money then take his seed to the church as money, the church can then exchange money for their most pressing needs at that moment without having to brainstorm on how to preserve food or resell blocks and building materials. As long as church uses physical things for logistics, money must be involved to facilitate the exchange of these things.

Any attempt at representing the use of logistics as a crave for mammon is dead on arrival.

Lol!

Signs of extreme desperation!

Mammon in whom you trust was being exposed by the Truth hence your fury.

Be here wasting your time but don't repent, so when it takes you into its everlasting habitations, you would be proud of yourself.

You really care about the faith of babes in Christ, yet you support their exposure to eternally destructive virus of the mammonic doctrine your modern day Pharisees which has made a lot of them to become covetous, materialistic, and corrupt etc., and not caring for the fate of their souls, thinking that the life of a man consists in the abundance of possession a man has, contrary to what Jesus taught.

You're only here to defend mammon whom you serve, but keep deceiving yourself that it has anything to do with Christ.

I've already told you to check your posts to confirm the habitual liar you are that i've never given any example of true man of God, because your passion for mammon and Antichrist tendencies brought you to virtually all the threads I made in that respect with my other jesusjnr moniker to discredit my efforts.

I can remember you saying in one, what's the purpose of this, now you're shamelessly lying that I've never done such.

Jesus is coming soon, and you'd soon tell Him why you were fighting the demonic fight of mammon in sheep clothing.