livingchrist:
why do you need interpretation?

You need interpretation because you can be reading an English word which can mean something different in the Greek.

2. You can assume your own meaning if proper interpretation is not done.

3. Wrong meaning then becomes wrong interpretation and wrong application.

4. You need to interpretation by digging the text meaning with an open mind because the Bible has its own language and it interprets itself using scriptures to explain scriptures

I can go on and on why you should do proper exegesis which bring you to place of exact and accurate knowledge.

For instance, there are 5 - 7 (to the best of my knowledge) major religious stronghold churches in Nigeria today who had gone ahead in church planting etc and these 5 to 7 churches are all in error as regards doctrines. Since MOST CHURCHES in Nigeria today modeled or born out of these 5 to 7 churches, do you not think that all the churches that modeled or born out of these 5 to 7 churches will also be in error?

Hence, the need to break out of them when you see the light of the glorious gospel, stand with the truth and that only come by proper interpretation which the leadership of those 5 to 7 churches had being bankrupt as regards Bible doctrines because they were just assuming words and/or just reading their own meanings into Bible texts.

Goshen360:


Why don't you investigate what the OP had said like the Berean Christians to see if what was taught is wrong or truth? You can investigate by yourself with an open mind and come to your own conviction. That's the only way you can be persuaded about Bible doctrines.

you are funny, Is there a problem with it before, that warrant investigation? The berean Christians didnt go about looking for means to reinterpret the scripture rather they searched the scriptures if it was so, what christ preached.

livingchrist:
you are funny, Is there a problem with it before, that warrant investigation? The berean Christians didnt go about looking for means to reinterpret the scripture rather they searched the scriptures if it was so, what christ preached.

No, what Paul (not Christ) taught....if it was so...lol

Goshen360:


You need interpretation because you can be reading an English word which can mean something different in the Greek.

2. You can assume your own meaning if proper interpretation is not done.

3. Wrong meaning then becomes wrong interpretation and wrong application.

4. You need to interpretation by digging the text meaning with an open mind because the Bible has its own language and it interprets itself using scriptures to explain scriptures

I can go on and on why you should do proper exegesis which bring you to place of exact and accurate knowledge.

For instance, there are 5 - 7 (to the best of my knowledge) major religious stronghold churches in Nigeria today who had gone ahead in church planting etc and these 5 to 7 churches are all in error as regards doctrines. Since MOST CHURCHES in Nigeria today modeled or born out of these 5 to 7 churches, do you not think that all the churches that modeled or born out of these 5 to 7 churches will also be in error?

Hence, the need to break out of them when you see the light of the glorious gospel, stand with the truth and that only come by proper interpretation which the leadership of those 5 to 7 churches had being bankrupt as regards Bible doctrines because they were just assuming words and/or just reading their own meanings into Bible texts.

I dont want to waste my time in endless talks. The so called liberalist Christians who are no Christians any way just seek to reinterpret the bible to suit their satanic agenda of creating a godless world. The bible is quit clear when it comes to relationships and roles in a Christian family and I do not entertain stupid debate on it.

Goshen360:


No, what Paul (not Christ) taught....if it was so...lol

yes paul, that was a typological error

livingchrist:
I dont want to waste my time in endless talks. The so called liberalist Christians who are no Christians any way just seek to reinterpret the bible to suit their satanic agenda of creating a godless world. The bible is quit clear when it comes to relationships and roles in a Christian family and I do not entertain stupid debate on it.

You can call it whatever suits you but the age of a lie doesn't make it truth in anyway. Just because lies and wrong interpretation had gone ahead for years doesn't mean truth will not catch up in a moment. Nobody wants to engage in stupid debate which is not in the first place but when you present an odd teaching you must be prepared to be tested before you can be trusted.

Goshen360:


You can call it whatever suits you but the age of a lie doesn't make it truth in anyway. Just because lies and wrong interpretation had gone ahead for years doesn't mean truth will not catch up in a moment. Nobody wants to engage in stupid debate which is not in the first place but when you present an odd teaching you must be prepared to be tested before you can be trusted.

there is no wrong interpretation anywhere, it could not be proven atleast. Words have different meaning which could be twisted to mean anything anyone wants it to be.
But the whole contexts must be put together to really get the truth. What op is doing is just taking words out of context and misinterpret it. What op is trying to sell is foreign to biblical teachings.

livingchrist:
there is no wrong interpretation anywhere, it could not be proven atleast. Words have different meaning which could be twisted to mean anything anyone wants it to be.
But the whole contexts must be put together to really get the truth. What op is doing is just taking words out of context and misinterpret it. What op is trying to sell is foreign to biblical teachings.

Why don't you put your straight stick side by side with the OP's and let the rest of us see the OP's stick is cracked. Otherwise, you're bent on your own tradition and I can't help you.

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livingchrist:
there is no wrong interpretation anywhere, it could not be proven atleast. Words have different meaning which could be twisted to mean anything anyone wants it to be.
But the whole contexts must be put together to really get the truth. What op is doing is just taking words out of context and misinterpret it. What op is trying to sell is foreign to biblical teachings.

Goshen360:
Why don't you put your straight stick side by side with the OP's and let the rest of us see the OP's stick is cracked. Otherwise, you're bent on your own tradition and I can't help you.

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MuttleyLaff:
He went on to say,
"Pay attention to what you're listening to!
(i.e. Pay close attention to what you hear)
[Knowledge] (i.e. facts, vital pieces of information) will be measured out to you by the measure [of attention] you give.
(i.e. The closer you listen, the more understanding you will be given--and you will receive even more.)
This is the way knowledge increases
- Mark 4:24

I think, it's Charles Spurgeon who said:
"If a crooked stick is before you, and you need not explain how crooked it is.
Lay a straight one down by the side of it, and the work is well done."

lmso

The egalitarians say that the word “head” in 1 Cor. 11:3 has nothing to do with authority. They insist it means source. They say this because since they deny the idea of male authority in the church and marriage, this passage cannot be referring to authority. It means the source. If that were true, this is what the verse would look like. “But I want you to understand that Christ is the source of every man, and the man is the source of a woman, and God is the source of Christ.” Is this a reasonable option? To answer that, we need to examine the context.


1 Cor. 11:1-16, “Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ. 2 Now I praise you because you remember me in everything, and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you. 3 But I want you to understand that Christ is the head[/] of every man, and the man is [b]the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. 4 Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying, disgraces his head. 5 But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying, disgraces her head; for she is one and the same with her whose head is shaved. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. 7 For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8 For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; 9 for indeed man was not created for the woman’s sake, but woman for the man’s sake. 10 Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. 11 However, in the Lord, neither is woman independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12 For as the woman originates from the man, so also the man has his birth through the woman; and all things originate from God. 13 Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with head uncovered? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, 15 but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering. 16 But if one is inclined to be contentious, we have no other practice, nor have the churches of God.”

There is nothing in the text that requires the word “head” to mean “source.” Still, the egalitarians say that as Christ made man, Adam became the source from which God made Eve. They refer to verse 8 that says that women originated from a single man which they insist means that “the man is the source of a woman.” But, Paul mentions Adam and Eve in verse 8 not to support the idea that Adam was the source of Eve but because of authority. Let’s take a look at the section again.

vv. 1-2, imitate Paul and hold to the tradition delivered to them.
v. 3, Christ is head of man, man head of woman, God head of Christ.
v. 4-7, men should not have heads covered while praying, but women should.
v. 8, The woman (Eve) originated from man (Adam).
v. 9, The woman was created for the man’s sake.
v. 10, the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head.
v. 11, the mutual dependence of men and women.
v. 12, the woman originates from man, man is born through the woman, God created all things.
v. 13, is it proper for a woman to pray with head uncovered?
vv. 14-15, long hair.
v. 16, this is the practice of the churches


Notice that verse 10 says, “Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.” In verse 10, Paul says “therefore.” He is drawing a conclusion from the previous verses, verse 8 included, where he speaks about prayer, head covering, how the woman was made for the sake of the man, and therefore, a woman ought to have a symbol of authority1The word for “authority” is exousia. It is translated as “authority” in the Darby, ASV, ESV, HCSB, ISV, NASB, NCV, NIV, NKJV, NLT, NRSV, and YLT. It is translated as “power” in the KJV and “veil” in the RSV. Clearly the context is dealing with authority. on her head. Again, notice that Paul is drawing the conclusion in verse 10 when he says, “therefore . . . ” But the egalitarians draw the conclusion in verse 8 saying it is dealing with origination. The fact is verse 8 is used to support the conclusion drawn in verse 10. Paul makes his point in verse 10 dealing with authority and continues to support it and shows that man is not superior to woman, but that both man and woman need and depend on each other. Paul does not point out anything to do with the idea that Adam was the source of Eve; but, Paul does speak about the created order and how Eve was created for the sake of Adam–that is why he referenced them. Eve was made to help Adam carry out the responsibilities God gave him–not the other way around. (For more on the issue of the created order and authority, see the article Genesis 2, Adam and Eve, and Authority.) Quite simply, the egalitarian focus is in the wrong place.

Also, please pay attention to the word “ought” in verse 10. It implies a moral obligation. If it were about “source,” it would not be an issue of morality–since that would be dealing with origins. If the text is about authority in the Church and in marriage, then it deals with morality–since we are told that it is morally proper to submit to our leaders. Consider the following verses in support of this.

Heb. 13:17, “Obey your leaders, and submit to them . . . “
James 4:7, “Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.”
1 Pet. 2:18, “Servants, be submissive to your masters with all respect . . . “
1 Pet. 3:1, “In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands . . . “
1 Pet. 3:5-6, “For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands. 6 Thus Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear.”

What do other verses say about this?

So, we can see that The best understanding of 1 Cor. 11:3 is to read it as dealing with authority structure – not source. This is consistent with what Paul says elsewhere about the husband being the head of the wife.


Eph. 5:21-24, “and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ. Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.”

Clearly Eph. 5:23 cannot mean that the husband is the source of the wife. It just doesn’t fit – and Paul uses the same terminology here as he did in 1 Cor. 11:3. In 1 Cor. 11:3 the Greek literally says, “Christ is the head of all man, but the man is the head of woman.” Eph. 5:23 says literally, “because man is head of the woman, also, Christ is head of the church…” In both places, the man is the head of the woman and both contexts deal with authority – of which Eph. 5:23 is explicitly clear in context since it speaks of subjection prior to and after the verse.

The word “subject” is “hupotasso.” It means to be subordinate, to be subject, be in subjection to, etc.2Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon, Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, 1995, p. 40. If there isn’t supposed to be any authority structure in marriage, then why does Paul tell the wives to be subject to their husbands even as we are subject to Christ?

But, let’s consider the egalitarian position. If 1 Cor. 11:3 must mean source, then does the same wording in Eph. 5:23 require that it also be source since they are so very similar? Of course not. Paul knew what he was saying, and we can see the meaning of the word “head” in Eph. 5:21-24 as authority just as the context of 1 Cor. 11 deals with authority.

Before we leave this topic, there are two other verses worth considering briefly.

Eph. 1:21-23, “far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22 And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.” We see that Jesus is above all authority, v. 21, that all things are in subjection to him, and he is the head over the church. Again we see the term “head” being used in the context of authority.

Colossians 3:18 says, “Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.” The word “subject” is again hupotasso. We see consistent teaching of Paul regarding the subjection of the wife to the husband. Therefore, the word “head,” when speaking of the husband being the head of the wife, cannot mean that he is her source. It must be dealing with authority.


Source
There is a word for “source” in Greek. It is “aitio” aitio.” It is translated as “guilt,” “cause,” and “source” in three places in the New Testament:

Luke 23:4, “And Pilate said to the chief priests and the multitudes, “I find no guilt in this man.”
Acts 19:40, “For indeed we are in danger of being accused of a riot in connection with today’s affair, since there is no real cause for it; and in this connection, we shall be unable to account for this disorderly gathering.”
Heb. 5:9, “And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation.”

Since Paul knew of the Greek word that specifically meant “source,” why did he not use it in 1 Cor. 11 if that was his clear and intended meaning? The fact is Paul didn’t use it at all in 1 Cor. 11. He used the word “head,” kephale.

But then we might also ask why he didn’t use the word authority instead of “head” if that is what he intended. The word for “authority” in Greek is “exousia,” and it occurs 102 times in the NT. The NASB translates it as “authorities” (7 times), “authority” (65 times), “charge” (1 time), “control” (1 time), “domain” (2 times), “dominion” (1 time), “jurisdiction” (1 time), “liberty” (1 time), “power” (11 times), “powers” (1 time), “right” (11 times).

Alright, so it is a common word. Still, why didn’t Paul use the word “source” or “authority” in place of “head” and 1 Cor. 11:3 in the verses considered above. Let’s take a look at some Bible dictionaries that examine the word “head.”

“It can refer to a leader, such as the head of a family (Josh. 22:14) or province (Neh. 11:3). In Eph. 4:15, Jesus is described as the head of the church. In a phrase such as ‘on the top (Heb. rosh, ‘head’) of the hill’ (Exod. 17:9) it refers to a topographical feature. It can be used with an opposite noun to designate a limit: ‘from the sole of the foot even to the head’ (Isa. 1:6); ‘from the beginning (Heb. rosh) to the end’ (Eccles. 3:11).”3“Head,” in Harper’s Bible Dictionary, p. 377.

“κεφαλή, head, the body part (Mk 6:25); 2. LN 87.51 superior, one of pre-eminent status, figurative extension of first entry (1Co 11:3; Eph 4:15); 3. LN 7.44 . . . (kephalē gōnias), cornerstone, as the important stone for building a proper foundation or possibly capstone in an arch (niv), (Mt 21:42; Mk 12:10; Lk 20:17; Ac 4:11; 1Pe 2:7+); 4. LN 49.16 . . . (kata kephalēs echō), have one’s head covered (1Co 11:4+); 5. LN 23.83 τaν κεφαλaν κλίνω (tēn kephalēn klinō), lie down to rest (Mt 8:20; Lk 9:58; Jn 19:30+); 6. LN 25.160 (epairō tēn kephalēn), have courage (Lk 21:28+); 7. LN 37.102 (epi tēn kephalēn), take responsibility for (Ac 18:6+); 8. LN 25.199 cause to be ashamed (Ro 12:20+), see also 5397.”4Swanson, J., Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains: Greek New Testament, electronic ed., Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems, 1997, kephale, GK3051.

“1 the head, both of men and often of animals. Since the loss of the head destroys life, this word is used in the phrases relating to capital and extreme punishment. 2 metaph. anything supreme, chief, prominent. 2a of persons, master lord: of a husband in relation to his wife. 2b of Christ: the Lord of the husband and of the Church. 2c of things: the corner stone.”5Strong, J., Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, electronic ed., Ontario: Woodside Bible Fellowship, 1996, GK2776.

The word “head” has a variety of meanings in the Bible. It seems that Paul was alluding to several of them. The word “head” means the top of the body, the head of a family, the cornerstone, the primary, and even source if used in reference to Adam as the source of humanity. But, even in the case of Adam, since he is the federal head, he is the one in authority to represent mankind. So, it seems that Paul used the word “head” to designate more than just “source” and/or “authority” would entail. He did it to convey a lot more than the simple words “source” and “authority” would entail.

Cc mutleylaff, Hathor, Goshen

MuttleyLaff:
... You surely dont fully understand Hebrews 13:4, because the Greek word used in the original text is "gamos" which means a wedding celebration, wedding ceremony, banquet or feast must be respected for having and "koite," the Greek word, for cohabitation bed, must be pure, as in meaning, no extra third party affairs going on in it, lmso.

Why not go brush away your bible truth decay, with the knowledge on "arsenokoites". Note the familiarity with the "koite," word in Hebrews 13:4, lmso. You'll find out that "arsenokoites" is portmanteau word invented by Apostle Paul, created and used to drive home a point, on promiscuity, lmso ...

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Hathor5:
I have had a very interesting encounter with a Bible scholar last week who told me so many things about the Bible I didn't know. We were discussing the passages on homosexuality in particular but it sparked an interest in me which led me to do some more research, some of which I am about to share with you.

Hathor5:
I also opened a thread asking what qualifications Nigerian pastors have to be teaching the word of God because I was most grateful for having had the pleasure of interaction with someone who was able to tell me so much more about the Bible than I knew and most Christians normally like to quote (out of context and without any background knowledge) and I realized how hard it is to come by Nigerian pastors whose knowledge extends our own. How much more interesting Church would be if we were taught more about the Bible than we know from self-study.

I am aware I have chosen a controversial passage from the Bible and I am aware that it will spark controversy which is welcomed. My main intention, however, is to demonstrate how much more it takes to interpret the Bible than just read it.

The qualifications Nigerian pastors have to be teaching the word of God, is their adeptness, their natural ability or skill at harvesting only low hanging fruits, lmso.

Also their flair of relying on the rickety, unsafe, unsteady and unsound scaffolding of regurgitated beliefs. The longest held belief does not make it the truest. Many of the so-called truths, Nigerian pastors and we, were raised up with and forced to believe, are not absolute truths at all, lmso.

How much more interesting our faith life would be, if we were taught more about the Bible by the Spirit of Truth than we know from organised study.

How much more interesting, uncomplicated and easy to understand and simple, life will become, if we make ourselves a virgin, be childlike innocent again, lmso. Make yourself a virgin, make yourself as innocent as Eve again, but this time wiser, with a lot of sense wiseness. Doubt. Question. Sift through our thoughts. 2 Timothy 2:15 study and positively deconstruct whatever it is, we've being told, is true, lmso

Hathor5:
I don't want to discourage anyone to read on but I do hope that it will encourage you to look for different meanings, etymology of words, historical context, source/identity of the writer, addressee of a particular passage and the possible intention behind it.

Ready? Let's go ...

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@Hathor5
Please by all means move at a glacial pace and begin to share what from your research(es) you found out about discussing the passages on homosexuality.

cc: Magnoliaa, Goshen360, livingchrist, Romangalactic, Bodydiialect57

@Muttleylaff
Please tell Blabbermouth anytime you see him that donnie has removed the post, i'm suspecting he can't stand the thought provoking questions!

MaxInDHouse:
@Muttleylaff
Please tell Blabbermouth anytime you see him that donnie has removed the post, i'm suspecting he can't stand the thought provoking questions!

The hunter turned into the hunt.
The prey turned round, stood ground and faced the predator, lmso.
The temperature of the chase or pursuit got too hot for his liking

MaxInDHouse:
@Muttleylaff
Please tell Blabbermouth anytime you see him that donnie has removed the post, i'm suspecting he can't stand the thought provoking questions!

It's a shame... you Christians, instead of defending your lies, decided to fight dirty, removing my thread.

MaxInDHouse:
The Ten Commandments!
(1)Do not have any other God before me
(2)Do not use images in worship of me
(3)Do not use my name unworthily
(4)Keep the Seventh Day and make it Holy
(5)Honour your father and mother
(6)Do not Kill
(7)Do not commit Adultery
(8]Do not steal
(9)Do not bear false Witness!
(10)Do not snatch anything belonging to your neighbor!

How exactly do this God want his worship to be now?

In Spirit and in Truth. And in Spirit doesn't mean imaginary, vague, lawless or without substance. It means, in the TORAH, His laws and in his truth.

MaxInDHouse:
Where should his temple be so that worshipers won't have to face images since they don't know the exact place he is? What is the name? And how will all the Bantus pronounce it?

Our bodies, (those of his people ISOLELE) are his temple and should be offered to his holy service.

Our physical temple was destroyed by the Romans and since then, not only were we scatted, we have been oppressed, destroyed and dispersed around the world through slavery by the same ROME (The BEAST aka Mystery BABAYLON aka Christianity).

MaxInDHouse:
Which day is the first or last day of the week, since we want to scrap Roman calendar?

It is a well documented fact that the Roman Catholic church changed the solemnity from the 7th day, the day of YAHUAH to the 1st day, the day of the sun in keeping with the existing Roman tradition of Sun-worship.

MaxInDHouse:
How do people honour our parents? Is it whatever they impose on us including the form of worship they know?

Children should be raised in the way of YAHUAH and not after the traditions of the heathen. Parents will be judged for failing in their duty.

MaxInDHouse:

Killing involves taking the life of others, should everyone be spared including evildoers?
What exactly is your definition of Adultery?
Stealing is easy so even a toddler knows that.
How do you define false Witnessing
Can you also expatiate on snatching other people's properties?

Half the questions you ask here will be answered by the Spirit of YAH once you align yourself with him. Unnecessary questioning and argument arise when people love lies or refuse to accept the whole truth.

MaxInDHouse:
And finally is this your God interested in the form of worship practiced in other parts of the earth or he's only interested in ISOLELE? Is your God the Creator of all other races apart from ISOLELE?

He is YAHUAH, The God of ISOLELE. He revealed himself to ISOLELE, and gave them laws. No other nation had that privilege. He chose us to be Holy (Separated) unto Him, that we might be ABOVE ALL NATIONS. ISOLELE is called to be a light to the nations.

donnie:
It's a shame... you Christians, instead of defending your lies, decided to fight dirty, removing my thread.

It isn't christians fighting dirty nor them removing your thread, but it is karma who visited because you keep regurgitating anger, bitterness and irritability spam upandan the forum. The bot recognised it and so automatically hid your post from view

donnie:
In Spirit and in Truth. And in Spirit doesn't mean imaginary, vague, lawless or without substance. It means, in the TORAH, His laws and in his truth.

[quote author=donnie post=97413352]Our bodies, (those of his people ISOLELE) are his temple and should be offered to his holy service.

Our physical temple was destroyed by the Romans and since then, not only were we scatted, we have been oppressed, destroyed and dispersed around the world through slavery by the same ROME (The BEAST aka Mystery BABAYLON aka Christianity).

Your obsession is unhealthy. Was there a physical temple in Eden, huh?

donnie:
[s]It is a well documented fact that the Roman Catholic church changed the solemnity from the 7th day, the day of YAHUAH to the 1st day, the day of the sun in keeping with the existing Roman tradition of Sun-worship.

Children should be raised in the way of YAHUAH and not after the traditions of the heathen. Parents will be judged for failing in their duty.

Half the questions you ask here will be answered by the Spirit of YAH once you align yourself with him. Unnecessary questioning and argument arise when people love lies or refuse to accept the whole truth.

He is YAHUAH, The God of ISOLELE. He revealed himself to ISOLELE, and gave them laws. No other nation had that privilege. He chose us to be Holy (Separated) unto Him, that we might be ABOVE ALL NATIONS. ISOLELE is called to be a light to the nations.[/s]

What is easier to do. Not answer the questions since they will show you up and you are a hypocrite or answer them since you have nothing to hide and you aren't a hypocrite, lmso. Smh sigh.

donnie:

It's a shame... you Christians, instead of defending your lies, decided to fight dirty, removing my thread.

Sorry SEUN is the owner of the forum Sir and from all indication he is an atheist!

In Spirit and in Truth. And in Spirit doesn't mean imaginary, vague, lawless or without substance. It means, in the TORAH, His laws and in his truth.

The bolded can only be found @ John 4:24 the book was WRITTEN BY CHRISTIANS so please quote where such is mentioned in the Old Testament!

[Our bodies are his temple[/b] and should be offered to his holy service.
Our physical temple was destroyed by the Romans and since then, not only were we scatted, we have been oppressed, destroyed and dispersed around the world through slavery by the same ROME (The BEAST aka Mystery BABAYLON aka Christianity).

The bolded could only be found @ 1Corinthians 3:16 a book WRITTEN BY THE CHRISTIANS please quote where such is mentioned in the Old Testament!

It is a well documented fact that the Roman Catholic church changed the solemnity from the 7th day, the day of YAHUAH to the 1st day, the day of the sun in keeping with the existing Roman tradition of Sun-worship.

It's a well known fact too that the Israelites left Egypt and crossed the red Sea back home so how can West Africa be there home nah?

Children should be raised in the way of YAHUAH and not after the traditions of the heathen. Parents will be judged for failing in their duty.

Who will teach the parents what to inculcate in the minds of their children now as you said that they've been misplaced for so long?

Half the questions you ask here will be answered by the Spirit of YAH once you align yourself with him. Unnecessary questioning and argument arise when people love lies or refuse to accept the whole truth.

OK o, i'll wait patiently in my house for this spirit to come and teach me since i'm doing what i know is right!

He is YAHUAH, The God of ISOLELE. He revealed himself to ISOLELE, and gave them laws. No other nation had that privilege. He chose us to be Holy (Separated) unto Him, that we might be ABOVE ALL NATIONS. ISOLELE is called to be a light to the nations.

Can you quote where God said this apart from what was WRITTEN BY THE CHRISTIANS? Matthew 5:13

MuttleyLaff:
It wasn't christians fighting dirty not them removing your thread, but it is karma who visited because you keep regurgitating anger, bitterness and irritability spam upandan the forum. The bot recognised it so automatically hid your post from view

I can handle him anytime even if he has to bring down the thread in shame!
Sebi he said he will not answer questions?
Don't worry by the time i'm through with him he will disappear from Nairaland or stop all these nonsense and ingredients!

MaxInDHouse:
I can handle him anytime even if he has to bring down the thread in shame!
Sebi he said he will not answer questions?
Don't worry by the time i'm through with him he will disappear from Nairaland or stop all these nonsense and ingredients!

donnie is the master of the hit, run and go hide, disappearing act. One of his many middle names is disappear, lmso.

He won't engage you once he senses you want to snooker him into a corner or steer him into answering awkward questions that will open him up to his hypocrisies

He quickly removed the thread and started lying that moderators did, there was nothing offensive in the thread so i knew he shamefully removed it so as to end the confrontation!
No wahala, at least he knows better now. If he's blabbing up and down equating Christianity with paganism, he can never present anything worthwhile.
Just imagine, i'm asking the fool questions and he began quoting the Christians instead of quoting the old testament as he often condemned the new testament.
Worshiping in SPIRIT and in TRUTH!

Abeg help me ask professor donnie where that's written in the old testament? John 4:24

Our bodies is the temple of God!

Please ask Mr donnie where he got that in the old testament? 1Corinthians 3:16

Some people are just insane that's the truth!

MuttleyLaff:
donnie is the master of the hit, run and go hide, disappearing act. One of his many middle names is disappear, lmso.

He won't engage you once he senses you want to snooker him into a corner or steer him into answering awkward questions that will open him up to his hypocrisies

MaxInDHouse:
He quickly removed the thread and started lying that moderators did, there was nothing offensive in the thread so i knew he shamefully removed it so as to end the confrontation!
No wahala, at least he knows better now. If he's blabbing up and down equating Christianity with paganism, he can never present anything worthwhile.
Just imagine, i'm asking the fool questions and he began quoting the Christians instead of quoting the old testament as he often condemned the new testament.
Worshiping in SPIRIT and in TRUTH!

Abeg help me ask professor donnie where that's written in the old testament? John 4:24

Our bodies is the temple of God!

Please ask Mr donnie where he got that in the old testament? 1Corinthians 3:16

Some people are just insane that's the truth!

I was following that thread ooo

He can't even stand small test of his Afrocentric philosophy

haddeylium:

I was following that thread ooo
He can't even stand small test of his Afrocentric philosophy

Yea right... yet y'all are about to turn this thread into a Donnie thread if care is not taken.

MaxInDHouse:


Sorry about that!

Please where is the bolded written in the scriptures?

Look it up yourself... Are you afraid of the scriptures?

MaxInDHouse:

I thought you were talking about ISOLELE and the God that's against Christianity, so where is it written in the scriptures that people's body is the temple apart from the books written by CHRISTIANS? :-

Written by who? Christians? You must be dreaming. This pagan Roman religion you practice began in the 4th Century AD. It even began in Kush (Ethiopia) and Egypt before Rome adopted it. The apostles were not Christians, they never called themselves that. They were ISOLELE (BANTUS/Isrealites) and lived as such, keeping the Commandments, the Shabbat, YAH'S holy feast days etc.

MaxInDHouse:
So where was your God when all these happened?

ISOLELE broke YAH'S laws and commandments. They worshipped other ELOHIYM as Christians do today and like YAH has warned, the curses came upon ISOLELE and they were scattered and enslaved.

Deuteronomy 4:26-28
[26]I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.
[27]And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.
[28]And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.

MaxInDHouse:
And what is he doing now that his worshipers have been misplaced?

YAH is waking up ISOLELE from around the world as he had promised and many are already preaching this truth. Those who repent and turn from their wicked ways will be saved form the coming destruction upon the earth and those who don't will perish.

MaxInDHouse:
I believe you're going to quote the scriptures not going to secular history because everything has been mixed up, so quote the scriptures to validate your opinion on the first or last day of a week!

Nothing is mixed up. There is truth and there are lies. There are true prophets as and teachers and there are false prophets. I do not go to gentile teachers like you Christians because they have not the Spirit of Truth. If you worship a white man as god you are serving Lucifer, the father of lies. So don't be surprised that all you've believed are lies. If you love truth, you will find it and recognize it.

MaxInDHouse:
Where are the laws of your God written without the books written by CHRISTIANS? So that parents can go through and inculcate it in the minds of their children.

I even thought you knew a little something when you boasted that you were going to make me shake. The only role Christians played was to destroy, hide, remove and mistranslate books that exposed their wickedness and who the REAL children of ISOLELE are.

Christians were majorly responsible for the destruction of the REAL people of YAH. One major strategy they employed was they outlawed the keeping of YAH'S commandments, Shabbat, Feast days etc. Those who did were killed, burnt alive as heretics, enslaved etc. That is how we lost our identity.

Jeremiah 17:4
And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee; and I will cause thee to serve thine enemies in the land.

MaxInDHouse:
So you can't fully deliver the message to convince your audience unless they first agree with you shey? Please what's the difference between your message and those of the churches who always so "accept Jesus as your personal Lord and savior so that holy spirit will teach you"

I leave the job of convincing to the Spirit. Those who are among the elect will hear, believe and repent. And I care less what you or your Christian churches teach, we have had enough of their lies, killing, stealing and destruction.

MaxInDHouse:
So what are you doing everyday on Nairaland if your god can singlehandedly reveal himself to ISOLELE?

YAH spoke to his people ISOLELE through Bantu prophets (never gentiles). I heard the truth and the Spirit confirmed it within my heart. I had every reason to reject it but I didn't. It takes a humble Spirit to submit and be taught by YAH when you think you know everything like many Isrealites following the religion called Christianity.

I kept it to myself and told only a few around me out of excitement but didn't bother pushing the message until YAH warned me about the coming judgements upon the earth in a vision. In his words " If you do not warn the people, the judgements will come, but you will not escape." So my message is clear: REPENT and escape the coming judgements. I preach it not just to save others, but myself also.

I began preaching this message on NL September 2019, warning the people. And 2020 came, confirming the words I received. 2021 will be even more interesting. There will be a separation between those who are His and those who are not. And the hand of YAH will be more visible in judgement against the wicked and in the preservation of his chosen who repent and turn to him.

He shut down the thread and started lying against the moderators!
He should have waited so that i can unravel that demon in him.
ISOLELE, BANTU, only west Africans and the rest of the world will be destroyed, his god punished ISOLELE because they worshipped other gods, then his god will destroy all other races (who had no chances of knowing it) but save only ISOLELE that rejected it even when they knew it very well!

Brother demons are really working on people today o!

haddeylium:


I was following that thread ooo

He can't even stand small test of his Afrocentric philosophy

MaxInDHouse:
He shut down the thread and started lying against the moderators!
He should have waited so that i can unravel that demon in him.
ISOLELE, BANTU, only west Africans and the rest of the world will be destroyed, his god punished ISOLELE because they worshipped other gods, then his god will destroy all other races (who had no chances of knowing it) but save only ISOLELE that rejected it even when they knew it very well!

Brother demons are really working on people today o!

Hey your post and my response is up there... YAH allowed me copy it. You have disappointed your fans.

You've not answered my questions, you're just running from pillar to post!

So i'll pick it one after the other if you don't run away.

Who is the Creator of Heaven and Earth?

donnie:

Hey your post and my response is up there... YAH allowed me copy it. You have disappointed your fans.

MaxInDHouse:
Where is your Christmas thread?

See your posts below... You have disappointed your fans.

MaxInDHouse:
The Ten Commandments!
(1)Do not have any other God before me
(2)Do not use images in worship of me
(3)Do not use my name unworthily
(4)Keep the Seventh Day and make it Holy
(5)Honour your father and mother
(6)Do not Kill
(7)Do not commit Adultery
(8]Do not steal
(9)Do not bear false Witness!
(10)Do not snatch anything belonging to your neighbor!

How exactly do this God want his worship to be now?

In Spirit and in Truth. And in Spirit doesn't mean imaginary, vague, lawless or without substance. It means, in the TORAH, His laws and in his truth.

MaxInDHouse:
Where should his temple be so that worshipers won't have to face images since they don't know the exact place he is? What is the name? And how will all the Bantus pronounce it?

Our bodies, (those of his people ISOLELE) are his temple and should be offered to his holy service.

Our physical temple was destroyed by the Romans and since then, not only were we scatted, we have been oppressed, destroyed and dispersed around the world through slavery by the same ROME (The BEAST aka Mystery BABAYLON aka Christianity).

MaxInDHouse:
Which day is the first or last day of the week, since we want to scrap Roman calendar?

It is a well documented fact that the Roman Catholic church changed the solemnity from the 7th day, the day of YAHUAH to the 1st day, the day of the sun in keeping with the existing Roman tradition of Sun-worship.

MaxInDHouse:
How do people honour our parents? Is it whatever they impose on us including the form of worship they know?

Children should be raised in the way of YAHUAH and not after the traditions of the heathen. Parents will be judged for failing in their duty.

MaxInDHouse:

Killing involves taking the life of others, should everyone be spared including evildoers?
What exactly is your definition of Adultery?
Stealing is easy so even a toddler knows that.
How do you define false Witnessing
Can you also expatiate on snatching other people's properties?

Half the questions you ask here will be answered by the Spirit of YAH once you align yourself with him. Unnecessary questioning and argument arise when people love lies or refuse to accept the whole truth.

MaxInDHouse:
And finally is this your God interested in the form of worship practiced in other parts of the earth or he's only interested in ISOLELE? Is your God the Creator of all other races apart from ISOLELE?

He is YAHUAH, The God of ISOLELE. He revealed himself to ISOLELE, and gave them laws. No other nation had that privilege. He chose us to be Holy (Separated) unto Him, that we might be ABOVE ALL NATIONS. ISOLELE is called to be a light to the nations.

donnie:


See your posts below... You have disappointed your fans.



In Spirit and in Truth. And in Spirit doesn't mean imaginary, vague, lawless or without substance. It means, in the TORAH, His laws and in his truth.

Perhaps you don't grasp how woefully you failed in your response. Well know today that all those claiming Christians today are also saying the same thing "worship in spirit and truth"
So how do you distinguish yours?

Our bodies, (those of his people ISOLELE) are his temple and should be offered to his holy service.
Our physical temple was destroyed by the Romans and since then, not only were we scatted, we have been oppressed, destroyed and dispersed around the world through slavery by the same ROME (The BEAST aka Mystery BABAYLON aka Christianity).

If bodies are the temples then why are you worried? After all each BANTU or ISOLELE can worship within his own room since his/her temple (body) is there!

It is a well documented fact that the Roman Catholic church changed the solemnity from the 7th day, the day of YAHUAH to the 1st day, the day of the sun in keeping with the existing Roman tradition of Sun-worship.

Romans named the days of the week so how do you single out the first day without the Roman calendar?

Children should be raised in the way of YAHUAH and not after the traditions of the heathen. Parents will be judged for failing in their duty.
Half the questions you ask here will be answered by the Spirit of YAH once you align yourself with him. Unnecessary questioning and argument arise when people love lies or refuse to accept the whole truth

Parents should raise their children in the way (Spirit and Truth) will reveal to each parent so how do you know people aren't doing that today? .

He is YAHUAH, The God of ISOLELE. He revealed himself to ISOLELE, and gave them laws. No other nation had that privilege. He chose us to be Holy (Separated) unto Him, that we might be ABOVE ALL NATIONS. ISOLELE is called to be a light to the nations.

No other nations so they don't need to worship him yet his worshipers who must be isolated have to do other things with them [b] without helping them to know your YAHUAH shey?