I DEY LAUGH!

if this how divinereal prove things, I wonder how he managed to graduate and even defend his thesis( that is if the guy has ever entered the four walls of a university ).  This is a sorry excuse for defense , he quotes two people and then claim that he has shown the Scientific "community" response to a book, a book that has been well recieved in Europe. Again, notice how this cretin of whisical value often changes his arguement immediately you wrap him up with wave of the hand.

This same individual that could not defend a pitiful excuse of an article, he could not even utter a single defense, now, notice that the crap brain only brings article, he even lacks the common sense to engage in a discusion, he is simply what I call Reguruitator, No wonder he keeps playing dodge ball whenever you refute his pathetic arguement, no wonder he could not even defend his master Ali sina, when I crushed his brainless arguement, no wonder the one sided guf ball could not even bring a tangible arguement, Evolution, if you still have common sense, remains a theory, as it can not, and never will be, demostrated in real time, till date Fossil evidence have shown no atom of an intermediate specie(this is to big for divine real) in existence, yet according to Darwin, we were expected to find numerous fossils of intermediate species. Yet no evidence, just a theory that a brainless savage has to hold onto, since he has nothing to believe, no real offer of hope or even a future. Thank God, scientific research has continue to show that those who believe in God are more stable, less prone to depression and even live longer. Atheist end up commiting suicide after a while, their life at the end seems worthless to them, Just as Humanist who are strong advocate of free suicide view life,a worthless piece of something you can throw away, but we that believe in God, know the worth of life. Divinereal don't jump off a cliff because you cannot argue rationally , You are just a brain washed dude after all resting a case you never made .

[b]Ali Sina knew well non muslims are nuts for they hate Islam out of ignorance. [/b]He also knew only Islam is the truth. So he decided to make money using the ignorance of Islam haters, and is still asking for donations thru his website.

The reason Dr. Naik is not willing for a written debate with Ali Sina, is because he knew well that it is not Ali Sina who is behind the screen of Faithfreedom International, but enemies of Islam. So, Zakir Bai wanted to expose the real Ali Sina. The only way he can do this is only through inviting him to a live debate. The enemies otherwise fear, agreeing for a live debate would expose the truth to the world, that it was actually not Ali Sina, but others behind the site. Even after promise of protection over his life, (which Ali Sina used as an excuse to reject the live debate) from Zakir Naik and company, the invitation has yet to be accepted by the so called Ali Sina. Ali Sina is just being used as a tool by the enemies of Islam, for their negative propagation against Islam. Ali Sina on other hand is making money thru donations and hits, using the dumb enemies of Islam.

It is not Zakir that dare not take up the challenge. It is the so called Ali Sina that dare not show his face for the fear of his falsehood being exposed.

Another reason is, the enemies of Islam themselves know that they are not knowledgable and don't stand a chance b4 Zakir Bai, who in his memory has all knowledge stored up for a live debate, but not them, who needed time to prepare notes to answer even a simple Q by Zakir Naik on the spot.

I have been following Ali Sina for sometime. I know the truth.

I guess this brave man Usama Hasan is another "Enemy of Islam"

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/21/cleric-evolution-compatible-with-islam/?hpt=T2

UK cleric leaves mosque over evolution
By Andrew Carey, CNN

LONDON – Usama Hasan has led Friday prayers at Leyton mosque in East London for 20 years.

Back in the early 1990s, his sympathies lay with what became known as the global jihad and he was an active supporter of extremist causes.

Over time, however, he warmed to Britain and started questioning the idea that the West was always acting against Muslim interests.

Now, his message is different. In recent years he has used his position as an imam to tackle issues like terrorism head-on.

But it’s his views on Darwinian evolution that have landed him in trouble with some fellow Muslims. It’s been two months now since he says criticism over his support for the theory of evolution provoked him to stop leading Friday prayers at his congregation.

Besides being a religious scholar, Hasan is a scientist who has studied theoretical physics at Cambridge and who is a senior lecturer in engineering at Middlesex University.

Two and a half years ago he wrote an online article decrying what he called the "appalling state of science in the Muslim consciousness."

He described the belief that Adam was made from clay, as the Quran suggests, and then made a living human after God breathed life into him, as a "children's madrassa-level understanding" of the origins of man.

The remarks prompted some in the community to turn against him.

“People weren't reasoning with me,” he says, “rather, they would say, ‘you're no longer a Muslim, you're an apostate, you're an infidel.’”

According to Hasan, his opponents started seeking fatwas, or religious rulings, from clerics overseas to denounce his support for evolution and, he says, to declare a death sentence.

Hasan says that clerics in Pakistan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia issued such decrees.

Leaflets started appearing at the mosque calling for Hasan’s removal and making thinly veiled suggestions that his "apostasy" might ultimately sanction his execution.

A public meeting aimed at calming the situation only increased tensions. Recently, Hasan says he started fearing for his life.

“Given the fact we have many young Muslims in this country who have taken law into their own hands, with terrorist plots, with a plot to murder an MP last year, I do feel that somebody young and impressionable may feel it their religious duty to kill me,” he told CNN.

Last November, London student Roshanara Choudry was found guilty of trying to kill Stephen Timms, a member of parliament, by stabbing him with a knife. It emerged during her trial that she had been influenced by extremist Muslim clerics online, including the U.S.-born preacher Anwar al-Awlaki.

Police confirmed to CNN they are investigating alleged threats against Hasan.

But recent weeks have seen campaigns launched by fellow Muslims to support Hasan.

Tehmina Kazi of the group British Muslims for Secular Democracy started a Facebook group that garnered eight hundred members in its first 24 hours.

And a senior group of Muslim clerics and activists signed a letter to the Guardian newspaper decrying Hasan’s treatment.

One of the signatories, Sheikh Ibrahim Mogra, told CNN he was very worried at how the practice of "takfir" - declaring individual Muslims to be apostates - had taken hold in some elements of the British Muslim community.

“There have been volumes and volumes written to regulate this kind of behaviour,” Mogra said. “It's not for any Muslim to go about and declare (an apostate), judgment is for God.”

Earlier this month, Hasan issued a statement on his website dialing back some of his statements on evolution.

"I regret and retract some of my statements in the past about the theory of evolution, especially the inflammatory ones … I do not believe that Adam, peace be upon him, had parents," he wrote.

"Some of the things I said in public went too far, and without meaning to, had been quite inflammatory,” he told CNN.

“What I would like to point out now is that religious scholars, in the main, are opposed to evolution, they believe it is blasphemy, it is against the Quran," he said. "Whereas scientists say that evolution is a scientific fact, or a scientific theory with overwhelming evidence."

"There exists this gulf, this impasse," Hasan continued. "And at some point people may have to address that issue, but only when the community and the religious scholars are ready.”

Mogra, who does not share Hasan’s previous position on evolution but supports his right to discuss it, is worried about the debate.

“This is a critical issue for us - if we fall at this hurdle then who's next tomorrow?" Mogra said. "If we are going to allow ourselves to be intimidated like this and publicly retract and say things we don't actually believe in, then that would be a great disaster for Muslim scholarship and for the freedom that we enjoy in this country.”

Hasan says that he hopes the current tensions dissipate and that he can return to what he calls his favourite mosque in London to join in prayers.

The wording used by Mr Sina is carefully selected in order to strike the mind of the reader and develop a feeling of repulsion in the quickest period of time. The use of words and phrases such as "inferior", "denies equal right to inheritance", "regards them as imbeciles" are in place to deter the reader from any more reading, thus expediting their coming to a conclusion. Women in the Abrahamic faiths.

Mr Sina wrote: The Quran says that they (women) are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (4:34)

The full English translation of the verse he is referring to is:

Pickthall:Men are in charge of women, because God hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which God hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! God is ever High, Exalted, Great.

Yusufali:Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because God has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what God would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For God is Most High, great (above you all).

Mr Sina also wrote: The Quran teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands. (Quran. 66:10)

The verse referred to is as follow:

God citeth an example for those who disbelieve: the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot, who were under two of Our righteous slaves yet betrayed them so that they (the husbands) availed them naught against God and it was said (unto them): Enter the Fire along with those who enter. (66:10)

"Women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands" is what Ali Sina wrote and made a reference to the above verse. How criminally insane! Just where does it say above that disobedient wives will go to hell The verse is just one of many (in a context) which is telling part of the story of the wives of Noah and Lot. The wife of Lot, as we know engaged in and institutionalised (without repentance) sexually deviant acts - she was hell bound from this very moment!

This is just a silly little cover story for Mr Sina to use and give meaning to a series of verses which relate nothing whatsoever of his understanding.

Mr Sina also wrote: It denies the women's equal right to inheritance. (Quran. 4:11-12)

The verses referred to are as follow:

God commands you concerning your children; a male shall have as much as the share of two females; but if their be females only, numbering more than two, then they shall have two-thirds of what the deceased leave; and if there be one, she shall have the half. And his parents each of them a sixth of the inheritance, if he have a child, but if he have no child and his parents be his heirs, then his mother shall have a third; and if he have brothers and sisters, then his mother shall have a sixth, after the payment of any bequests he may have bequeathed or of debts. Your fathers and your children; you know not which of them is more beneficent to you. This fixing of portions is from God. Surely, God is All-Knowing, Wise (4:12)

And you shall have half of that which your wives leave, if they have no child; but if they have a child, then you shall have a fourth of that which they leave, after the payment of any bequests they may have bequeathed or of debts. And they shall have a fourth of that which you leave, if you have no child; but if you have a child, then they shall have an eighth of that which you leave, after the payment of any bequests you may have bequeathed or of debt. And if there be a man or a woman whose heritage is to be divided and he or she has neither parent nor child, and he or she has a brother and a sister, then each one of them shall have a sixth. But if they be more than that, then they shall be equal sharers in one-third, after the payment of any bequests which may have been bequeathed or of debt. And all this shall be without intent to cause injury to anyone. This is an injunction from God and God is Wise, Forbearing" (4:13)

The above verses are relating the inheritance law within Islam. Inheritance has been always a subject of dispute and animosity between members of the same family, that is why God gave a detailed law for everyone to read and apply.

The reason why the female is given half of what the male is given is very simple: the female keeps her share for her own use and does not participate in the spending of the household, and no one, absolutely no one can take an ounce from it, unless she wills. What a husband earns is for himself, his wife and children. What a female earns is for herself only. The male is the bread winner, his share is used to maintain the family and provide for it. What is wrong with this?

In other systems, the inheritance is subject to the written will of the inherited person and therefore is subject to their desires and own evaluation of their own heirs, the criteria they use is not often the correct one - they may have approved of one son and not the other.

Beautiful write up...dripping with deep logic and critical reasoning.