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Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by jesusjnr2020(m): 3:22pm On Nov 10, 2020
I saw a thread about a lady who when praying said "God must make Trump win", and I was utterly flabbergasted.

What could give someone the audacity to feel she could dictate to God what He must do and not do?

Unfortunately that's the sad reality of what Christianity has become today. Most Christians don't really know how to pray, because they do not follow the example of Jesus, but those of men who have taught them to pray according to their own will and the inclinations of their flesh.

Yet they wonder why most of their prayers were not being answered by God?

The reason Jesus prayers were always answered was because He always prayed according to the Will of God. Even when His will concerning His life differed from that of God, He prayed and said, "Not My will, but that Thine be done". Luke 22:42

I believe His example is what Christians ought to follow, if they want get the same results for their prayers as Jesus did with His.

Hence considering the outcome of the results of the US which went contrary to the will of most Christians and their prayers for Trump to win, I implore them to Instead start praying that "not my will but Thine be done" as Jesus had done, so they don't end up with much more disappointment than there already was.

That's exactly what i did, even though my will for this election was for Donald Trump to win, not Joe Biden. But when I got word that Donald Trump was going to lose, I said "Not my will but Thine be done" as the Master had done.

Because the Truth, whether we like it or not, is that at the end of the day, God would have His way.

God bless.

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Re: Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by Rebelutionary: 3:36pm On Nov 10, 2020
God bless you sir. Your articles on the aftermath of the US elections have been quite insightful and full of hope knowing that His will is ultimately the best for us.

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Re: Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by Uprightness100(m): 4:05pm On Nov 10, 2020
You Didn't need to be Flabbergasted!
Her Prayers are not wrong
Just like your Prayer of God's will is also not wrong.
She has her reasons. The Bible says ask what you will and it will be granted to you.

He says ask, that your Joy may be full! Her prayers are not in any way wrong.

Any Child of God has the legal right to ask God for what he or she wants. God Almighty who is the Alpha and the Omega knows what is best for his children, and he will always do what is best..

There is no reason to Flabbergasted!

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Re: Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by petra1(m): 4:53pm On Nov 10, 2020
jesusjnr2020:
I saw a thread about a lady who when praying said "God must make Trump win", and I was utterly flabbergasted.

What could give someone the audacity to feel she could dictate to God what He must do and not do?

Unfortunately that's the sad reality of what Christianity has become today. Most Christians don't really know how to pray, because they do not follow the example of Jesus, but those of men who have taught them to pray according to their own will and the inclinations of their flesh.

Yet they wonder why most of their prayers were not being answered by God?

I believe His example is what Christians

There are different kinds of prayers for different purposes.

Praying for the will of God has its place . But not for a situation when you already know the will . I can't say " if its the will of God let my Father get born again" I already know the will of God is for every man to be saved.


When you have 2 options before you and one is for, while the other is against your values, you don't need to pray thy will be done. You pray the evil away.

When Peter was arrested the church diddint say " if it is the will of God let him be delivered " they know the will, they intercede for his deliverance and God brought him from prison.

Paul didn't tell the saints to rely on God's will while he was in prison. He asked them to pray for his deliverance.

Rom 15:30 — Rom 15:31
Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me; That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints;

Philemon 1:22
One more thing—please prepare a guest room for me, for I am hoping that God will answer your prayers and let me return to you soon.



The reason Jesus prayers were always answered was because He always prayed according to the Will of God. Even when His will concerning His life differed from that of God, He prayed and said, "Not My will, but that Thine be done". Luke 22:42

Not so, Jesus didn't say thy will be done when he commanded Lazarus to rise

He didn't say "Thy will be done " when he said give us this day our daily bread. Or when he said "Deliver us from Bidden evil.

So in application to American election. One candidate uphold christian values while the other uphold Gayy, Abortion satanism etc its like choosing between king Ahab and king David .
Re: Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by jesusjnr2020(m): 5:50pm On Nov 10, 2020
petra1:


There are different kinds of prayers for different purposes.

Praying for the will of God has its place . But not for a situation when you already know the will . I can't say " if its the will of God let my Father get born again" I already know the will of God is for every man to be saved.


When you have 2 options before you and one is for, while the other is against your values, you don't need to pray thy will be done. You pray the evil away.

When Peter was arrested the church diddint say " if it is the will of God let him be delivered " they know the will, they intercede for his deliverance and God brought him from prison.

Paul didn't tell the saints to rely on God's will while he was in prison. He asked them to pray for his deliverance.

Rom 15:30 — Rom 15:31
Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me; That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints;

Philemon 1:22
One more thing—please prepare a guest room for me, for I am hoping that God will answer your prayers and let me return to you soon.





Not so, Jesus didn't say thy will be done when he commanded Lazarus to rise

He didn't say "Thy will be done " when he said give us this day our daily bread. Or when he said "Deliver us from Bidden evil.

So in application to American election. One candidate uphold christian values while the other uphold Gayy, Abortion satanism etc its like choosing between king Ahab and king David .



So the long and short of this your post is that it's right to tell God, "You must do this"?

Secondly, why didn't God answer her prayer?
Re: Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by jesusjnr2020(m): 6:04pm On Nov 10, 2020
Uprightness100:
You Didn't need to be Flabbergasted!
Her Prayers are not wrong
Just like your Prayer of God's will is also not wrong.
She has her reasons. The Bible says ask what you will and it will be granted to you.

He says ask, that your Joy may be full! Her prayers are not in any way wrong.

Any Child of God has the legal right to ask God for what he or she wants. God Almighty who is the Alpha and the Omega knows what is best for his children, and he will always do what is best..

There is no reason to Flabbergasted!
The Bible says ask as you said, not command or order but ask!

So I'm sorry bro, but i must say that if you believe that she was right to say, "God must do this", then you got it completely wrong.

She was so wrong that If i wasn't flabbergasted, I would also be wrong because I'm know it's wrong to dictate to God what to do.

He's the One that dictates to us, not the other way round. He's God and we are His servants. So there's no justification for such.

I'm not oblivious of the fact that this has become a norm amongst christians today, but that doesn't make it right. That's why our prayers are not getting the kind of answers it ought to have, because we don't pray right!

That's my thought, even if you disagree.

God bless.
Re: Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by Uprightness100(m): 7:23pm On Nov 10, 2020
jesusjnr2020:
The Bible says ask as you said, not command or order but ask!

So I'm sorry bro, but i must say that if you believe that she was right to say, "God must do this", then you got it completely wrong.

She was so wrong that If i wasn't flabbergasted, I would also be wrong because I'm know it's wrong to dictate to God what to do.

He's the One that dictates to us, not the other way round. He's God and we are His servants. So there's no justification for such.

I'm not oblivious of the fact that this has become a norm amongst christians today, but that doesn't make it right. That's why our prayers are not getting the kind of answers it ought to have, because we don't pray right!

That's my thought, even if you disagree.

God bless.

Brother you can move the hands of God
God is influenceable!

You can also Command God. What Matters is your relationship with God.
There is a level of relationship you have with GOD where you Command Him to do things. It's right there in the Bible.

A Man or woman who Serves God with all his heart and stands in the Gap can influence God

Her prayers are not Wrong!!

King Hezekiah changed God's will and Order for Him!

God was to destroy everything about and around sodom and Gomorrah but he changed his mind to and preserved the cave lot and his daughters entered because of Abramham!

Many atimes Moses stood in the Gap and changed God's will to Destroy the children of Isreal..

GOD Almighty is my Father and your Father! He is not an Iron Man. He cares so much the feelings of His Children. Especially His Committed Children..

You Yourself, if you are committed can influence GOD will on a Matter
Re: Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by petra1(m): 7:28pm On Nov 10, 2020
jesusjnr2020:
So the long and short of this your post is that it's right to tell God, "You must do this"?

That's a little extreme . You cant command God .But you can demand your desire.
There are different kinds of prayers and there are different approaches to each one . There a prayer of demand, there is a prayer of submission, there is a prayer of petition, where you present your case with reason as a lawyer . Different situation have required approach

Secondly, why didn't God answer her prayer?

Its a faith work. Winner has not been declared until tribunal is over . CNN declaration is not official

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Re: Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by jesusjnr2020(m): 8:02pm On Nov 10, 2020
Uprightness100:


Brother you can move the hands of God
God is influenceable!
A Man or woman who Serves God with all his heart and stands in the Gap can influence God

Her prayers are not Wrong!!

King Hezekiah changed God's will and Order for Him!

God was to destroy everything about and around sodom and Gomorrah but he changed his mind to and preserved the cave lot and his daughters entered because of Abramham!

Many atimes Moses stood in the Gap and changed God's will to Destroy the children of Isreal..

Yourself if you are committed can influence GOD will on a Matter



If so, why wasn't Jesus able to change the mind of God with His request? Were they more righteous than Him or did they know about God or how to pray better than Him? The only reason God changed His decision on those occasions, that's if He did, was because it was changeable in those instances, but in that of Jesus it wasn't.

The same Moses requested and begged God to enter into the land of Canaan but God refused to grant his request. That should tell you that it's depends on what you're asking God for, if His decision can still be changed or final. That's why people ought to pray according to God's Will.

By the way, all the instances you gave there, God granted their requests, so maybe we ought to wait till January to see if her prayer is qualified to be compared to theirs. If it doesn't, it's certain that she didn't pray according to the Will of God.

God bless.
Re: Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by jesusjnr2020(m): 8:27pm On Nov 10, 2020
petra1:


That's a little extreme . You cant command God .But you can demand your desire.
There are different kinds of prayers and there are different approaches to each one . There a prayer of demand, there is a prayer of submission, there is a prayer of petition, where you present your case with reason as a lawyer . Different situation have required approach
Well kudos to you, that at least you could admit that she was wrong with that.

I'm flabbergasted at any Christian that can't see the glaring wrong in what she did honestly.

You made mention of different kinds of prayers but the bottom line is that all prayer should be according to the Will of God.

That's why Jesus taught us how to pray, because someone can pray in a wrong way. So every request or point in that prayer were in accordance to the Will of God, including the ones you mentioned in your previous post, like "deliver us from evil", "give us our daily bread", these were needs not wants or luxury so it's the Will of God that everyone has them.

You also know the prayer point about God forgiving us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us, which was also a teaching, that was also according to the Will of God. Hence when someone prays a prayer that goes contrary to that point, it's a prayer that goes contrary to the Will of God because that a teaching about how to pray according to God's Will.

But such prayers which go contrary to the Will of God are the norm today among Christians, so that should explain why their prayers are not answered as those of Jesus and the Christians of those days.

petra1:


Its a faith work. Winner has not been declared until tribunal is over . CNN declaration is not official
Lol!

Now it's tribunal, not elections anymore. Okay let's wait and see because I know Trump's gone but only confirmation left.

So I'd remind you guys then.

God bless.
Re: Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by Uprightness100(m): 8:49pm On Nov 10, 2020
jesusjnr2020:
If so, why wasn't Jesus able to change the mind of God with His request? Were they more righteous than Him or did they know about God or how to pray better than Him? The only reason God changed His decision on those occasions, that's if He did, was because it was changeable in those instances, but in that of Jesus it wasn't.

The same Moses requested and begged God to enter into the land of Canaan but God refused to grant his request. That should tell you that it's depends on what you're asking God for, if His decision can still be changed or final. That's why people ought to pray according to God's Will.

By the way, all the instances you gave there, God granted their requests, so maybe we ought to wait till January to see if her prayer is qualified to be compared to theirs. If it doesn't, it's certain that she didn't pray according to the Will of God.

God bless.
Whether answered or not, my point is that her prayers are not wrong
Re: Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by jesusjnr2020(m): 9:04pm On Nov 10, 2020
Uprightness100:

Whether answered or not, my point is that her prayers are not wrong
Ok.
Re: Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by petra1(m): 8:12am On Nov 11, 2020
jesusjnr2020:


You made mention of different kinds of prayers but the bottom line is that all prayer should be according to the Will of God.


Yes all things must be asked according to God's will .

1 John 5:14
And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
.

But we mix two things up in christendom.

What do we mean by God's will in Prayer.
God's will is anything that is consistent with his plan for us according to God's word.

But when people say "your will be done"
It can be missapllied and it turns out to be a prayer that vague and not of faith .

For example someone is sick . The will of God is already revealed that we pray for sick to be healed . But when the prayer goes " FATHER LET YOU WILL BE DONE IN HIS SICKNESS" In other words if its your will for him to be healed let him be healed and if its your will for him to die let him die . That is where the issue of "WILL" is misused. Such prayer lack faith and lack authority and power .
Re: Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by jesusjnr1: 1:39pm On Nov 12, 2020
petra1:


Yes all things must be asked according to God's will .

1 John 5:14
And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
.

But we mix two things up in christendom.

What do we mean by God's will in Prayer.
God's will is anything that is consistent with his plan for us according to God's word.

But when people say "your will be done"
It can be missapllied and it turns out to be a prayer that vague and not of faith .

For example someone is sick . The will of God is already revealed that we pray for sick to be healed . But when the prayer goes " FATHER LET YOU WILL BE DONE IN HIS SICKNESS" In other words if its your will for him to be healed let him be healed and if its your will for him to die let him die . That is where the issue of "WILL" is misused. Such prayer lack faith and lack authority and power .
What if God clearly tells you that the sick person is not going to be healed? Would you still go ahead to pray for him to be healed? If you do, and the person doesn't get healed, would you say it's lack of faith or praying contrary to God's Will.

I think there nothing wrong in praying that God's Will be done whatever situation, because it's not always the Will of God that someone is healed of his sickness, or maybe the time for the person's healing has not yet come.

Remember what God told Paul when he had a thorn in his flesh. He said he prayed three times or so yet it didnt leave him because it was for a purpose, and unless that purpose was achieved, it would be Impossible for him to be cured.

So that's may be the situation with some who are sick.
Re: Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by petra1(m): 4:11pm On Nov 12, 2020
jesusjnr1:
What if God clearly tells you that the sick person is not going to be healed? Would you still go ahead to pray for him to be healed?


Definitely not. The will of God in such peculiar case is already revealed . When the miracle worker William Braham began to preach heresy, God sent people to warn him . God also told Kenneth Hagin that if the man doesn't stop teaching he will call him to heaven so that his soul will not be lost . Later the man had accident and died and healing ministers gathered to raise him back to life . Jesus appeared to Kenneth Hagin and reminded him he can't com back .

If you do, and the person doesn't get healed, would you say it's lack of faith or praying contrary to God's Will.

No we rather sick God face to know what was wrong. It can be several reason

I think there nothing wrong in praying that God's Will be done whatever situation, because it's not always the Will of God that someone is healed of his sickness, or maybe the time for the person's healing has not yet come.

I get your point . I also know that some people cannot get healed because of what they had done unless they repent praying for them will be waste of time . Thats why a minister must yield or be led of the spirit in ministrying to people in the course of misitrying to the sick or during pre ministry intercession God usually reveal how we should go about it or reveal the obstacles.

Remember what God told Paul when he had a thorn in his flesh. He said he prayed three times or so yet it didnt leave him because it was for a purpose, and unless that purpose was achieved, it would be Impossible for him to be cured.
So that's may be the situation with some who are sick

I agree But remember Paul prayed first to get rid of it. Before God answered him "No" with reason . It is said that God always answered. YES, NO or WAIT. but we have to pray in faith first until he stop us

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Re: Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by orisa37: 7:36am On Nov 13, 2020
THAT'S WHAT WE PRAY.

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Re: Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by Rebelutionary: 10:07am On Dec 11, 2020
petra1:


There are different kinds of prayers for different purposes.

Praying for the will of God has its place . But not for a situation when you already know the will . I can't say " if its the will of God let my Father get born again" I already know the will of God is for every man to be saved.


When you have 2 options before you and one is for, while the other is against your values, you don't need to pray thy will be done. You pray the evil away.

When Peter was arrested the church diddint say " if it is the will of God let him be delivered " they know the will, they intercede for his deliverance and God brought him from prison.

Paul didn't tell the saints to rely on God's will while he was in prison. He asked them to pray for his deliverance.

Rom 15:30 — Rom 15:31
Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me; That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints;

Philemon 1:22
One more thing—please prepare a guest room for me, for I am hoping that God will answer your prayers and let me return to you soon.





Not so, Jesus didn't say thy will be done when he commanded Lazarus to rise

He didn't say "Thy will be done " when he said give us this day our daily bread. Or when he said "Deliver us from Bidden evil.

So in application to American election. One candidate uphold christian values while the other uphold Gayy, Abortion satanism etc its like choosing between king Ahab and king David .




And also at a time God chose a Nebuchadnezzar and a Cyrus abi? When it comes to leadership of nations Gods sovereign will supercedes what you think or want...did the church in Nigeria pray against a Buhari presidency? Of course for a thousand and one reason but God in his sovereignty allowed a Buhari to manifest. You can argue this all you want!

So let's get the point the OP is trying to make. If it's about gays and all what do you say about the below.

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Re: Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by petra1(m): 12:50pm On Dec 11, 2020
Rebelutionary:


And also at a time God chose a Nebuchadnezzar and a Cyrus abi? When it comes to leadership of nations Gods sovereign will supercedes what you think or want
...did the church in Nigeria pray against a Buhari presidency? Of course for a thousand and one reason but God in his sovereignty allowed a Buhari to manifest. You can argue this all you want!

So let's get the point the OP is trying to make. If it's about gays and all what do you say about the below.


Gods plan is not tied to.any single person . But you should also know that a righteous man is yielded to God's plan while a wicked man is yielded to.the devils agenda. So that's why we pray for the righteous to be in power. Not that God can't use anybody.

I will give you biblical example. I'm.sure you ready know how much Israel suffered in.egypt under evil ruler.

Also Jesus had to be taken to Egypt to hide him from a wicked ruler who datan wa.t to use.

Mat 2:19 — Mat 2:22
But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life
.

When the evil ruler died the angel asked that they bring the boy Jesus back to town . And the funny thing is that when they heard that the son of the wicked ruler is now the king they couldn't take Jesus back home but took him to Nazareth

Mat 2:21 — Mat 2:23
And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel. But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee: And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.


So we are not saying God can't use anybody if he chose to but we must remember God has given us a ministery to pray for his will to be done . If we don't pray. They devil and his agents.will run rulership in our world . The devil is interested in power position as much as God . We need men who can be influenced by God not who can easily be influenced by the enemy

Proverbs 29:2
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice:
but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn
.
Re: Instead Of Praying "Trump Must Win" Why Not Say "Not My Will But Thine Be Done"? by Rebelutionary: 1:21pm On Dec 11, 2020
petra1:



Gods plan is not tied to.any single person . But you should also know that a righteous man is yielded to God's plan while a wicked man is yielded to.the devils agenda. So that's why we pray for the righteous to be in power. Not that God can't use anybody.

I will give you biblical example. I'm.sure you ready know how much Israel suffered in.egypt under evil ruler.

Also Jesus had to be taken to Egypt to hide him from a wicked ruler who datan wa.t to use.

Mat 2:19 — Mat 2:22
But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life
.

When the evil ruler died the angel asked that they bring the boy Jesus back to town . And the funny thing is that when they heard that the son of the wicked ruler is now the king they couldn't take Jesus back home but took him to Nazareth

Mat 2:21 — Mat 2:23
And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel. But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee: And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.


So we are not saying God can't use anybody if he chose to but we must remember God has given us a ministery to pray for his will to be done . If we don't pray. They devil and his agents.will run rulership in our world . The devil is interested in power position as much as God . We need men who can be influenced by God not who can easily be influenced by the enemy

Proverbs 29:2
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice:
but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn
.

True and I mentioned you because of your first response when you "tie your prayer to a Man" instead of praying according to His will like the OP opined, that even though this is who we want let His will be done!

No prayer of ours no matter how noble can be better than HIS will for us!

Why? Because there's a way that seems right just like a Saul seemed perfect but God who knows the end from the beginning knew that Saul won't last began preparing a David!

It takes maturity to ACCEPT the truth of Gods sovereignty in nations AFTER WE HAVE PRAYED when what we want doesn't materialise that is why it is futile to hope in ANY man!

This is the recipe of a stress free life!

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