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Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by jornwhite: 10:19am On Nov 20, 2020
IBBG:
Long over due. When the import duties were high locally assembled cars was almost as expensive as their foreign counterparts, so the essence of hiking the import duties has already been defeated. What i've discovered with nigerian economics whenever an imported item is banned or import duties hiked in other to protect locally manufatured, instead of the locally manufactured goods to become cheaper and available, it becomes almost as expensive as the foreign goods, making the purpose of protecting locally manufactured goods defeated. I believe the problem is either we lack the capacity to produce the goods we are banning or our locally manufacturers are just greedy with hiking their price unecessarily for huge profit



GOD bless you bro ! you nailed it , tbh its mindbugging how nigeria economy is susceptible to economic theories.
I listened to kachukwu the petrolum minister then, justifying the #145 per litre with open market & competition to drive the price down ... i could relate i was knodding my head buh what do we have today.
Who says greed is not enough to neutralize the most efficient and trusted theories in the world

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Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by imagrg(m): 10:25am On Nov 20, 2020
PAN is selfish. This is Nigeria for you.

The greed of the average Nigerians is the problem we have in this country.
Very soon the prices of clothes and other essential commodities would rise in the name of Christmas.
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by NaMe4: 10:26am On Nov 20, 2020
kingreign:
We know the FG increased the import duties to favour local manufacturers, assemblers etc, while deriving more income for itself, but PAN is faulting it for their selfish aims.


FOOTNOTE : Folks should learn to understand before hurriedly commenting. The FG sometimes ago increased the import duty to favour local manufacturers and drive home more revenue. Now, the FG wants to reduce it, PAN is complaining cos of their selfish gains.

Exactly. The production capacity can't meet up with the demand. And the cost of purchase of their vehicles are just RIDICULOUS!
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by loswhite(m): 10:36am On Nov 20, 2020
Elsueno:
Sai Baba

U think the rich refusing to establish business in Nigeria don't have their reasons?

Government can just wake up and destroy ur investment easily
How do you mean wake up and destroy ur investment? Does ur investment include exploitation? Look at the rice situation..lol local rice is now 30k...I hope ppl stop posting like bunch of idiots on this forum

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Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by IBBG(m): 10:39am On Nov 20, 2020
tasalanoni:
The problem with our locally made goods is mostly a lack of quality. Competition is very essential for refined quality and that's the reason foreign goods with superior quality should be allowed entry into the Nigerian marketspace. Innovation and drive for improvement are non existent in our culture. PAN has been around for over three decades yet with very little impact in the automotive industry save for the 504, 505 and other models of the 80s. Same can be said of other consumer goods that are produced locally. Aba is the textile and leather hub of the country but nobody with a top-notch taste patronizes goods from there and that explains why the trade of secondhand clothes continues to flourish
Before now, locally grown and processed rice was almost inedible because the stone to rice ratio was almost 1 to 1. Competition against imported foreign rice made our local farmers up their game and for the first time de-stoning was introduced. Tarrif hike and import prohibition only enrich an already corrupt custom and smugglers who take advantage of porous borders to flood the market with contraband goods and continue to weaken an ailing local manufacturing sector.
you nailed it succintly
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by NaMe4: 10:46am On Nov 20, 2020
PhiliptheArab:


Locally made cars are expensive because

1.Power sector in Nigeria is not working...largely because we insist on selling power that costs N53 per kwh to produce/generate at N30 per kwh or less.

2.Crucially, we don't have enough small scale industries that make the various tiny parts that go into a car. Meaning companies either have to make those parts (PAN is a good example) or import them (INNOSON...though they are also making more and more componets at home)...and either way that makes production expensive.(Innoson's boss some years ago callled for reduction in import duties on imported car components)

3,.Ajaokuta was not completed.

Then such issues should be sorted first, instead of putting the cart before the horse.
Life is hell in Nigeria for the common man, he shouldn't be made to pay for the inadequacies of government /policy makers.

How many Nigerians can afford this?

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Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by NaMe4: 10:53am On Nov 20, 2020
Abi this one that looks like a 1980 toyota crown is what someone would spend over 7m on?

Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by Tango123: 10:58am On Nov 20, 2020
kingreign:
We know the FG increased the import duties to favour local manufacturers, assemblers etc, while deriving more income for itself, but PAN is faulting it for their selfish aims.


FOOTNOTE : Folks should learn to understand before hurriedly commenting. The FG sometimes ago increased the import duty to favour local manufacturers and drive home more revenue. Now, the FG wants to reduce it, PAN is complaining cos of their selfish gains.

Do u understand that reducing it will lead to job losses in that sector?
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by AerialMapper: 11:03am On Nov 20, 2020
Whether they decrease or don’t decrease import duties, Nigerians do not want to drive the “cartons” being produced locally!

High import duties encourages smuggling and the government loses revenue entirely. When the cost of smuggling is higher than the cost of import duties, importers will use the ports rather than smuggling routes. The broke government will get more revenue and we can drive the cars we want to drive.

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Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by NaMe4: 11:04am On Nov 20, 2020
bendike:
Nigerians have been so impoverished that they cannot afford brand new cars. Just forget it!
There is a PAN car on this forum for 30m. A mid range car for that matter.

Solution, duty should be reduced or removed on tokumbo cars for the general masses.
To encourage ckd assemblers such as PAN, government should patronise only locally assembled vehicles to support the local industry since they are the only ones that can afford new cars. Ie government agencies should by law only buy them and not imported vehicles.


Very good suggestion

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Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by NaMe4: 11:14am On Nov 20, 2020
AerialMapper:
Whether they decrease or don’t decrease import duties, Nigerians do not want to drive the “cartons” being produced locally!

High import duties encourages smuggling and the government loses revenue entirely. When the cost of smuggling is higher than the cost of import duties, importers will use the ports rather than smuggling routes. The broke government will get more revenue and we can drive the cars we want to drive.

Simple
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by texazzpete(m): 11:14am On Nov 20, 2020
dalass:
cheesy

Hope that decision won't kill the remaining Automakers still struggling simply because our politicians have insatiable tastes for foreign/ imported cars cool

If thats what it takes, then let them die
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by texazzpete(m): 11:15am On Nov 20, 2020
Tango123:


Do u understand that reducing it will lead to job losses in that sector?

Why would reducing it lead to job losses? That's just silly scaremongering
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by Nobody: 11:22am On Nov 20, 2020
CSTRR:

No problem.

As long as you don't prefer their economy and Job creation levels.

Just accept your position as consumers with a consumer economy.

NIgeria is not even in the G-20.

Una no dey shame.
shut up idiot
na u go give me funds to buy nw... ewu
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by RealAlubarika(m): 11:36am On Nov 20, 2020
dalass:
cheesy

Hope that decision won't kill the remaining Automakers still struggling simply because our politicians have insatiable tastes for foreign/ imported cars cool

We should stop deceiving ourselves, how many average Nigerians can afford a new cars from our local Auto Makers??

If they want to reduce it let them do,

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Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by kingreign(m): 11:39am On Nov 20, 2020
Tango123:


Do u understand that reducing it will lead to job losses in that sector?

Tell me more.
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by Elsueno: 11:46am On Nov 20, 2020
loswhite:
How do you mean wake up and destroy ur investment? Does ur investment include exploitation? Look at the rice situation..lol local rice is now 30k...I hope ppl stop posting like bunch of idiots on this forum

The way u people in this forum come out and boldly call others idiots for stating thier opinion is surprising to me. There is no way a farmer will buy fertilizer, chemicals, pesticides, pay for labour and also invest almost 8 hours daily of his life on a farm. Only to sell a 50kg bag of rice for you at 8k When dollars is almost 400 naira, Fuel above 140 and price of everything in D market don double. DO YOU THINK THE FARMER GETS EVERYTHING ELSE IN LIFE FREE!!!

Despite that, they still sell it 100kg at about 10-15k to D processors who double the price. Want cheap Rice, BUY DIRECT FROM THE FARMER OR GROW UR OWN FUCVKING RICE

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Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by DAVE5(m): 11:48am On Nov 20, 2020
Xisnin:
Good. Vehicles are not food that should enjoy lower duties. Those who won't buy Nigerian-made vehicles should be ready to pay through their noses.

How do you sleep at night?

You forget say you and your family members go buy car too and no be all of una go buy innoson
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by nams77: 11:53am On Nov 20, 2020
Elsueno:
Sai Baba

U think the rich refusing to establish business in Nigeria don't have their reasons?

Government can just wake up and destroy ur investment easily
That is what I tell people. The ultra rich knows where to invest their money.
We don't need to tell dem where to go.
They know stable economy

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Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by dalass(f): 12:05pm On Nov 20, 2020
texazzpete:


If thats what it takes, then let them die

You do realise that when they die

- The people employed there lose jobs and thus can no longer take care of themselves and their families
- The taxes paid by such companies and also taxes paid by such workers disappears with all utility bills they pay
- This further dents the IGR and in effect Nigerian economy!
- We use our hard earned forex to import, in essence boosting other country's economy at our own expense
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by Tango123: 12:23pm On Nov 20, 2020
texazzpete:


Why would reducing it lead to job losses? That's just silly scaremongering

You have simply shown you limited knowledge in economics and international economics

If the prices of import duty on imported vehicles is reduced, it will become cheaper to import brand new vehicles, than to assemble in Nigeria. This will mean that PAN, Hyundai, Nissan, and others who are assembling in Nigeria will begin to import fully assembled cars. This will lead to all those working for them to be sacked, apart from those in sales

This will lead to more scarcity of dollars (those companies will meed more dollars to import full cars, than to import parts and assemblein Nigeria), leading to more inflation

Dont tell me reducong import duty will make second hand cars cheaper. Every country in the world tht has a healthy brand new car market has a cheaper used car market. That is exactly y we run to europe and us to buy used cars. Because used cars are cheap there. I can buy a toyota corolla 2005 model in europe for less than 500k naira.

I hope it is making more sense to u now


Kingreign
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by Tango123: 12:23pm On Nov 20, 2020
dalass:


You do realise that when they die

- The people employed there lose jobs and thus can no longer take care of themselves and their families
- The taxes paid by such companies and also taxes paid by such workers disappears with all utility bills they pay
- This further dents the IGR and in effect Nigerian economy!
- We use our hard earned forex to import, in essence boosting other country's economy at our own expense

Tell him please. I dont know y people like him dont sit down and think deeply

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Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by Nobody: 1:05pm On Nov 20, 2020
Omoslim26:
Ok

This Country sef na real wa

everytime na im wahala dey wear komkom shoe
grin
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by Nobody: 1:09pm On Nov 20, 2020
Evil man. I wonder why Nigerians never use their brains see all of them applauding this man's selfish statement

The high duty regime is why even tokunbo cars are prohibitively expensive and what does the NCS do with the excess cash they simply steal it. The market is big enough to accommodate PAN, Innoson and whatever brands Nigerians choose to bring in from overseas (mostly 2nd hand anyway).

Pricing used imports out of the market is not going to bring manufacturing plants to Nigeria unless we sort out the electricity problem.
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by Nobody: 1:26pm On Nov 20, 2020
naijadrivablog:
Most Nigerians' purchasing power is still low and cannot afford Brand new cars.

Reduction of import on cars is the right thing to do.
I fully agree with you.
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by texazzpete(m): 2:40pm On Nov 20, 2020
dalass:


You do realise that when they die

- The people employed there lose jobs and thus can no longer take care of themselves and their families
- The taxes paid by such companies and also taxes paid by such workers disappears with all utility bills they pay
- This further dents the IGR and in effect Nigerian economy!
- We use our hard earned forex to import, in essence boosting other country's economy at our own expense

Prior to GEJ's harebrained and illogical move to dramatically increase import duties for new and used cars, PAN et AL were in operation in Nigeria. Innoson too.

None of these companies have dramatically expanded since the crazy hikes were implemented. On the other hand, consumers have been increasingly forced into buying ancient, dead, fuel guzzling clunkers or completely foregoing buying newer vehicles altogether.

A move back to the 2012 status quo shouldn't change the picture for local assembly. It's not like they've had a dramatic boost in business since then.

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Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by Curvinus(m): 3:19pm On Nov 20, 2020


70% import duty on vehicles creating bottlenecks

Speaking with Daily Sun, former member of Presidential Taskforce on Reform of Customs, Lucky Amewiro, said that the Nigeria auto policy has failed when compared to other countries auto policies.

According to him, the auto policy is creating transport problem because there are a lot of auto policies that geared towards making vehicles unaffordable. The vehicles are very expensive and most of them are no longer affordable.

“We have policy on papers but we are not seeing the reality on ground. This policy has been there since 2013. We are making our position to be able to make things right but we find out that the government is not interested in anything at all or in any changes that is just the truth.

It is now obvious that every sector of the economy is having problem and the government is not ready to make any changes. Nigeria is no longer what it used to be when one will write the government, and it would look into the issue and resolve it promptly.

Look at Ghana’s auto policy and you can see it is quite different from Nigeria’s. Nigeria’s own is expensive. Most of the vehicles are not affordable and are not vehicles a common man can lay hands on,” he argued.

He said an accidented vehicle is a different thing. While the auto policy is talking about manufacturing new vehicles and bringing them in, the policy has virtually made the vehicles very expensive and unreachable for the common man.

“The impact of the policy, if you look at our trailer, our own policy is always done on revenue generation instead of investment. Our auto policy is extremely faulty. You cannot see the relevance of the policy.

“If you see Ghana’s auto policy, you will be shocked. The Ghana auto policy is for the middle class to own cars. But our own policy is working up to 70 per cent and is increasing everyday. You pay duty more than is necessary. Our policy is not designed for the poor; it is just a policy on papers,” he said.

For his part, the President, Shippers Association, Lagos State, Mr Jonathan Nicole, said Nigeria should take it one after the other because without these cars people are bringing, transportation would have been something else.

“The accidented vehicles are covered by insurance companies. So when cars like that get accident, instead of them going for repair, they write off those cars. Insurance companies will write them off and Nigerians will go and buy.

“So when they bring it here, take it to the workshop, replace the damaged part that will last for another three to four years. That is the way of helping the Federal Government with their transport system because Nigerian transport system is epileptic,” he said.

However, he said the auto policy should be something that Federal Government should have given about 15 to 20 years masterplan and in between these years, they can begin to bring the cars in, as government can’t do everything at the same time.
https://tbiafrica.com/2020/11/18/70-import-duty-on-vehicles-creating-bottlenecks-for-nigerian-transport/

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Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by Seniorwriter(m): 4:36pm On Nov 20, 2020
kingreign:


Have your government been proactive? No! Instead they just woke up one day and increased the import duties. Has this improved manufacturing and assemblies and driven down the prices of cars? NO!
Did they realize their follies? Hopefully Yes!
You're all about proactivity leads to productivity when the basis and foundation for manufacturing isn't laid in the nation. No stable power supply, very few skilled hands locally to drive home the local content delivery, unstable laws and acts of government, poor capital support from local financial institutions.

WHAT RUBBISH NONSENSE ARE YOU YAPPING ALL ABOUT?

I can see you failed to accept your mistake as regards your first comment which is opposite of what the thread is about.
My trademark quote is a parabolic reference to motivate in this forum and not solely for this thread!
I just hope people like you on the forum read and think before they post their comment!

PROACTIVITY Leads To PRODUCTIVITY!

©Seniorwriter
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by kingreign(m): 4:55pm On Nov 20, 2020
Seniorwriter:


I can see you failed to accept your mistake as regards your first comment which is opposite of what the thread is about.
My trademark quote is a parabolic reference to motivate in this forum and not solely for this thread!
[s]I just hope people like you on the forum read and think before they post their comment[/s]!

PROACTIVITY Leads To PRODUCTIVITY!

©Seniorwriter

@bolded, is it that you're slow to understand or just plain daft?

@ struck out, before you bring that silly stupid comment at me, look at yourself and ask yourself that question. Most probably, I have read much more than you and also thought and discussed with a much wider and learned audience than you have ever done. We do not belong to same demographics.

Stay your lane, lemme stay my lane.
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by Seniorwriter(m): 8:38pm On Nov 20, 2020
kingreign:


@bolded, is it that you're slow to understand or just plain daft?

@ struck out, before you bring that silly stupid comment at me, look at yourself and ask yourself that question. Most probably, I have read much more than you and also thought and discussed with a much wider and learned audience than you have ever done. We do not belong to same demographics.

Stay your lane, lemme stay my lane.

People with low reasoning always think highly of themselves....what's your yardstick for your stupid assumption of the kind of people around me...SMH
Anyways no matter what you think it's obvious I'm not the only one that noticed the comment that made me to quote you....though you keep using diversionary response.

PROACTIVITY Leads To PRODUCTIVITY!

©Seniorwriter
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by fescope: 1:23pm On Jan 21, 2021
Economist or Trade experts in the house. Aside Nigeria's volatile foreign exchange issues, how feasible is it to keep duty on imported car components as low as 5%? or That FG charge zero duty to really boost the local car manufacturing industry. Give them tax holidays and all. Also at the same time keep duty on Tokunbo cars low, at maybe 25% to make Nigerians happy?

Even if this were to be the case, how sure are we that our dear local manufacturers will not leverage on all the holidays and still fix price beyond affordability to drive profitability?
Re: PAN Faults FG's Plan To Reduce Import Duty On Vehicles by sultaan(m): 7:20pm On Jan 25, 2021
We have to think, and be honest in our reasoning.

When you think of the used car market, you have to consider the supplier and the user and you need to define the balance you are trying to achieve.
In a sane economy their is constant evaluation of the result of policy and tweaks are added, unlike leaving it untouched for 9 years ending up in a far worse situation than we started with.

Who are the biggest importers of used car.
Nigerians abroad who ship cars home for family or sale to build house basically mode of transfer of wealth.

The buyers are middle class Nigerian who can only afford cars up to a certain price limit.

Using a percentage in a system that is mired in corruption is still a problem.

Having an open means of assessing valuations, and or limiting duty to engine capacity will reduce corruption.

An average 4cyl cost $3000 @ 5%= $150= N75000

So if duty on cars with engine < 2.5l is N75k 10+year and N100k 5+ years old. You get better fuel economy and safety. If 10+ passenger is 2% for the next year up for review next year then we can tweak to increase or reduce the type of cars on the road.

If the law that states that personal items of those that lives outside the country should be taxed lower or no tax to encourage transfer of wealth country will be in a lot better shape so the diaspora number of $20bn can easily reach $40bn on goods

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