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US Election: State Legislature Cannot Override The Popular Vote. by zeal22(m): 10:57pm On Nov 29, 2020
To be absolutely clear: A state legislature cannot overrule the state’s popular vote for president. This is not a close case.

By way of background, it’s important to remember that voters do not directly elect the president. Rather, under the Electoral College system, the voters choose presidential electors (the members of the Electoral college) from each state, and the electors in turn cast the official votes for president. So for a state legislature to overrule the popular vote would really mean for the state legislature to appoint the state’s presidential electors, in defiance of the results of the state’s popular vote. For example, under the proposal that has been floated this week, a legislature in a state where Vice President Biden won the popular vote would pass some sort of law or resolution appointing members of the Electoral College who would cast their votes for President Trump.

The Constitution has two main provisions that govern the selection of presidential electors.  First, the Constitution says that each state’s legislature has the authority to determine that state’s manner of choosing its electors.  Second, the Constitution gives Congress the power to decide when the electors are chosen, which Congress has done by enacting a federal law designating the Tuesday after the first Monday in November — Election Day.

Proponents of the legislative-appointment theory read too much into the first constitutional provision and forget about the second.  Although every state has chosen its electors by popular vote for more than a century, most constitutional experts agree that, under the legislature’s authority to choose the “manner” of appointing electors, a legislature could theoretically decide before Election Day to cancel the popular vote for presidential electors and instead appoint them directly.  But Congress’s enactment of a uniform national Election Day under its own constitutional authority — which supersedes any contrary state actions — prohibits the choice of electors from being made based on elections held or laws passed after Election Day.

In other words, under the constitutional timing provision as implemented by federal law, the absolute last day a state legislature could have decided to appoint the state’s presidential electors for this election was November 3, 2020.  Once that date passed, the determinative popular votes had all been cast, and therefore the legislature’s authority to change the state’s manner of appointing electors in 2020 passed as well.

Recognizing that emergencies can happen, federal law includes a very limited exception to the requirement that presidential electors be chosen on Election Day:  If a state tried to hold an election as scheduled, but that election “failed,” the law allows a state legislature to then create a backup system for choosing electors.  Never in American history has this exception been used, so it’s not entirely clear what it would mean for a presidential election to “fail.”  Perhaps a natural disaster that renders parts of a state uninhabitable on Election Day would meet the standard.  But regardless of what might constitute a failure for these purposes, it’s quite clear that nothing remotely in that ballpark occurred on November 3.  Not only were there no natural disasters, to the contrary Election Day 2020 was in many ways one of the smoothest-running ever, with turnout apparently setting records across the country.  The “failure” exception has no bearing on this election.

There is a second, independent reason state legislatures cannot cancel the popular vote results after Election Day: to do so would violate the Constitutional rights of the voters.  Specifically, the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution prohibits states from taking away their citizens’ rights without due process of law.  One such right, of course, is the right to vote.  And the Supreme Court has made clear many times, in more than a hundred years’ worth of precedents, that the constitutional right to vote does not just mean the right to put a ballot in a box, but also the right to have that ballot counted toward determining the election’s results.  For a state legislature to invalidate a popular election would be equivalent to simply refusing to count the citizens’ votes.  The Constitution unambiguously prohibits disenfranchising any eligible voters, much less an entire state’s worth.

One final point bears mention:  What would happen if a state legislature were to violate the Constitution and federal law, disregard court orders, and purport to appoint the state’s presidential electors anyway?  It wouldn’t work.  The rules for counting electoral votes specifically address a situation in which a state sends in two sets of votes: one set cast by electors chosen on Election Day, and the other cast by electors who claim to have been chosen by some other method.  The Electoral College rules specifically give “conclusive” effect to the votes cast by the former — the electors chosen on Election Day — and require that those votes be counted to the exclusion of any others.  An illegal legislative usurpation of the election would fail.

It’s unfortunate that any of this needs to be said.  No American official – no one holding public office in a nation dedicated to the rule of law – should ever consider themselves even theoretically empowered to rescind the inalienable sovereignty of the people.  Fortunately, our Constitution and our laws are designed to restrain the worst impulses of partisan actors.  State legislatures have no power to veto their own citizens’ votes for president.

https://www.justsecurity.org/73274/no-state-legislatures-cannot-overrule-the-popular-vote/

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Re: US Election: State Legislature Cannot Override The Popular Vote. by flemsy15(m): 10:58pm On Nov 29, 2020
okay

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Re: US Election: State Legislature Cannot Override The Popular Vote. by Chinemeremjosh0(m): 11:26pm On Nov 29, 2020
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Re: US Election: State Legislature Cannot Override The Popular Vote. by Praxis758: 2:15am On Nov 30, 2020
It's is votes and prophets from Abia, Imo, Anambra, Enugu and Ebonyin that can invalidate Biden's victory.

We're still expecting votes from the aforementioned states.

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Re: US Election: State Legislature Cannot Override The Popular Vote. by zeal22(m): 3:04am On Nov 30, 2020
Praxis758:
It's is votes and prophets from Abia, Imo, Anambra, Enugu and Ebonyin that can invalidate Biden's victory.

We're still expecting votes from the aforementioned states.

hahahhahha CBN delayed delivery of election materials
Re: US Election: State Legislature Cannot Override The Popular Vote. by Afamed: 3:16am On Nov 30, 2020
The election is long won and lost

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Re: US Election: State Legislature Cannot Override The Popular Vote. by Eddie4God(m): 10:29am On Nov 30, 2020
I just hope this top notched legal analysis help trumpist calm down & desist from attempting to subvert the choice of the American people.

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Re: US Election: State Legislature Cannot Override The Popular Vote. by Praxis758: 10:53am On Nov 30, 2020
Lol......

That's a good legal ground to challenge the validity of Biden's victory.

cap 1004 of Section 2020 in US electoral act says no Aba, Nnewi, Onitsha or Nsuka made vote shall be rejected and not they've been disenfranchised from voting.

Also, subsection 69 of section 2020 of the electoral act also says the electoral college must approve prophecies given by 'confused men on pulpit'.

With these, I see a good ground for Trump to laugh last.


zeal22:


hahahhahha CBN delayed delivery of election materials

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Re: US Election: State Legislature Cannot Override The Popular Vote. by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 11:01am On Nov 30, 2020
Eddie4God:
I just hope this top notched legal analysis help trumpist calm down & desist from attempting to subvert the choice of the American people.
Lol those lunatics are ready to commit a coup to prevent Biden from being sworn in.
They believe the 80 million plus votes should be thrown out because it is fraudulent according to them.They are idiots and mad lunatics they are ready to support authoritarianism because of orange clown that should never have won in 2016.I am glad he lost

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Re: US Election: State Legislature Cannot Override The Popular Vote. by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 11:01am On Nov 30, 2020
Praxis758:
Lol......

That's a good legal ground to challenge the validity of Biden's victory.

cap 1004 of Section 2020 in US electoral act says no Aba, Nnewi, Onitsha or Nsuka made vote shall be rejected and not they've been disenfranchised from voting.

Also, subsection 69 of section 2020 of the electoral act also says the electoral college must approve prophecies given by 'confused men on pulpit'.

With these, I see a good ground for Trump to laugh last.


You funny oo grin grin

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