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Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by okeyglm: 8:31pm On Dec 03, 2020
Vlain:



Dude I am aware. All se en towers are expected to cost $1bn of which two has been built already out of that seven. It remains 5 more.
The already built towers don't cost $1bn. Say Wetin happen. Shey na Burj Khalifa we dey build.
world trade center new York is 4 billion dollars. And it's 64 storeys
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by NdigboWorldwide: 8:32pm On Dec 03, 2020
okeyglm:
Google is free Mr know it.
Mr who ever that post that figure on the internet is a bloody liar, trump tower don't even cost up to that, talk less of one bump of 24 in Abuja.

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Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by okeyglm: 8:33pm On Dec 03, 2020
NdigboWorldwide:

Mr who ever that post that figure on the internet is a bloody liar, trump tower don't ever cost up to that, talk less of one bump of 24 in Abuja.
CNN is also a liar abi
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by NdigboWorldwide: 8:37pm On Dec 03, 2020
okeyglm:

CNN is also a liar abi

You are the one that got it all wrong, I see where someone said it's multiple buildings and not a single 24 storey building, please a single 24 storey building can't cost $1billion in Abuja, so hope you get the point.

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Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by Aconomist: 8:38pm On Dec 03, 2020
okeyglm:
The average price per floor for Chicago is about $6.2 million; for Shanghai it’s about $3.7 million per floor. For New York, on average, it costs about $15 million per floor. Or in other words, for a cost of $20 million per floor (on average), you can get a 65-story skyscraper in New York, They are a lot thing that drives cost


Abuja is not New York. New York is expensive because of how built up the area is making it harder to bring your machines to the site, etc. also expensive permits and regulations. The cost of labor in New York is over $100,000 a year for construction workers -- not to talk of insurance.

Abuja is not a crowded area so it should be very cheap to build there. The only thing that would drive up the cost is overpriced Dangote cement and imported steel.

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Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by Aconomist: 8:39pm On Dec 03, 2020
NdigboWorldwide:


You are the one that got it all wrong, I see where someone said its multiple buildings and not a single 24 storey building, please a single 24 storey building can't cost $1billion dollars in Abuja, so hope you get the point.
$1 billion is far to much for that nonsense building. Even if there was 10 of them, $1 billion is too much.
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by Aconomist: 8:39pm On Dec 03, 2020
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Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by NdigboWorldwide: 8:41pm On Dec 03, 2020
Aconomist:
$1 billion is far to much for that nonsense building. Even if there was 10 of them, $1 billion is too much.

Help me tell the guy.
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by authority2006(m): 8:42pm On Dec 03, 2020
Aconomist:
You are making excuses brother. If that is the reason Marina failed, then why are people building up area's like Lekki, Ikoyi and Eko Atlantic that are even further away from the mainland? If traffic was the issue, the solution would be to build more density (residential skyscrapers) at Marina so people won't have to commute to work. But Marina is full of abandoned buildings that haven't been converted into apartments and outside of the core business district in Victoria island, the area is almost like a slum.. full of short low density buildings renting for an astronomical amount.

You asked a question, "why" and he was providing you honest answers based on his own understanding. Then you turned 180° and accused him of making excuses. So, what is your own explanation too your very own question? Lol
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by okeyglm: 8:45pm On Dec 03, 2020
Aconomist:


Abuja is not New York. New York is expensive because of how built up the area is making it harder to bring your machines to the site, etc. also expensive permits and regulations. The cost of labor in New York is over $100,000 a year for construction workers -- not to talk of insurance.

Abuja is not a crowded area so it should be very cheap to build there. The only thing that would drive up the cost is overpriced Dangote cement and imported steel.
oga most the materials are imported. It will drive the cost of building. plus other expertise.
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by okeyglm: 9:00pm On Dec 03, 2020
NdigboWorldwide:


You are the one that got it all wrong, I see where someone said it's multiple buildings and not a single 24 storey building, please a single 24 storey building can't cost $1billion in Abuja, so hope you get the point.
the ist Phase contain 2 tower. They haven't develop others
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by Litmus: 9:01pm On Dec 03, 2020
olujastro:

Better say what you know.
I know one of the biggest developers in Lekki, he's a Nigerian. Sijumoto, one of the most popular developers in Banana Island is a Nigerian too. So I don't know where you come up with your info from, simply because Chagoury is the one handling Eko Atlantic.

Lol, you noticed.

Between his, "Labanese made Lagos" and the other one's, "nothing can be compared to South Africa", one could be forgiven for thinking.....

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Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by jaxxy(m): 9:12pm On Dec 03, 2020
Aconomist:
Why didn't these factors stop Dubai's skyline from growing?


Nigeria has no futuristic plans. I am telling u the real Fact on ground. Only obasanjos government had significant plans for the future because obasanjo has some level of vision. Others after from yaradua to good luck to Buhari have no significant and articulate vision for this country.


May God help us.

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Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by NdigboWorldwide: 9:15pm On Dec 03, 2020
okeyglm:

the ist Phase contain 2 tower. They haven't develop others

More reasonable now, not a single unit of 24 storey building costing that, it's clear it's multiple unites then.
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by Realdeals(m): 9:32pm On Dec 03, 2020
So sad indeed, many high rise building around Tinubu square now serves as store for street traders....the whole of isale eko down to marina have been bastardized.
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by BennyDGreat: 9:39pm On Dec 03, 2020
RedPanthar....u are doing well boss
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by RedPanthar: 9:49pm On Dec 03, 2020
BennyDGreat:
RedPanthar....u are doing well boss


wink
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by Vlain: 9:56pm On Dec 03, 2020
okeyglm:

world trade center new York is 4 billion dollars. And it's 64 storeys

Are U talking of world trade tower in New York or Abuja.

Meanwhile the tallest among the seven towers of Abuja world trade tower is meant to be about 37 flrs when completed.
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by COMPAQ(m): 9:57pm On Dec 03, 2020
Aconomist:
Yea, I've been eagerly awaiting when Dangote builds his headquarters (he has the cash to build something truly spectacular). Total ENP is also planning a building called "La Definition" in Eko Atlantic to house its employees. Facebook is planning its HQ in Ikoyi I think, but it hasn't been announced yet. Folorunsho's Famfa oil is also building in Ikoyi.

Some of the indigenous oil companies such as Amni Oil have decided to go to Eko Atlantic instead of Marina. Here is the prototype of their tower. It is right next to Alpha 1. Construction expected to start in 2021.

How much does Amni Oil have that they want to build that?





Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by Vlain: 9:58pm On Dec 03, 2020
okeyglm:

the ist Phase contain 2 tower. They haven't develop others


And those two tower do the cost $1bn. It's the entire project that cost $1bn
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by Vlain: 10:00pm On Dec 03, 2020
Aconomist:


Abuja is not New York. New York is expensive because of how built up the area is making it harder to bring your machines to the site, etc. also expensive permits and regulations. The cost of labor in New York is over $100,000 a year for construction workers -- not to talk of insurance.

Abuja is not a crowded area so it should be very cheap to build there. The only thing that would drive up the cost is overpriced Dangote cement and imported steel.


True and facts
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by Vlain: 10:01pm On Dec 03, 2020
Aconomist:
$1 billion is far to much for that nonsense building. Even if there was 10 of them, $1 billion is too much.

Yes $1bn is too much but trust Nigeria since it is coming from the federal purse expect the price to be inflated.
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by King44(m): 10:01pm On Dec 03, 2020
Aconomist:
Abandoned buildings in Marina:

LASACO Assurance building, Financial Trust House, Nicon House, Conoil House, Energy Global Tower, Afribank Plaza, UAC building, Unity Trust, Nigerian Post Office and so on.


But we have a housing shortage are we too stupid to convert these structures into housing? What is wrong with Nigerians.
refurbishing those buildings, changing the land scaping or whatever, converting it to residential area while moving the market far away would help that area grow...


This is one of the reason Lagos is called slum... The gvt should do something instead of leaving it to waste on
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by Vlain: 10:02pm On Dec 03, 2020
okeyglm:
oga most the materials are imported. It will drive the cost of building. plus other expertise.

Cost of building in Nigeria is high most especially when U factor provision of power,water ect, ECT but it's not up to that of new York.
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by leisuretym: 10:06pm On Dec 03, 2020
The balogun market made the place too rough! Too many markets in the area, the area need to be replanned and renew and cleared

A serious facelift will do

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Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by COMPAQ(m): 10:06pm On Dec 03, 2020
olujastro:

Better say what you know.
I know one of the biggest developers in Lekki, he's a Nigerian. Sijumoto, one of the most popular developers in Banana Island is a Nigerian too. So I don't know where you come up with your info from, simply because Chagoury is the one handling Eko Atlantic.

Banana Island in itself was created by Lebanese. Sujimoto is just buying land and developing properties there like any, other rich man can do. The concept and execution of Banana was by Lebanese. That’s what he’s trying to say. We Nigerians actually don’t have the discipline, vision and patience to create something like Banana. Asides night clubs, most of the nice businesses and fine dining restaurants in VI are owned by Lebanese. Mega Plaza, LG, Chocolate Royals, Crust and Cream, Park and Shop, Stallion Motors, Kia Motors, Cactus and many more. We find it difficult to run businesses for more than 3 to 5 years before it starts to fall apart, especially business that require brain power, coordination, planning and well timed execution. That’s we are only good at trading, buying and selling, import and selling. We don’t create anything.

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Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by RedPanthar: 10:08pm On Dec 03, 2020
COMPAQ:


Banana Island in itself was created by Lebanese. Sujimoto is just buying land and developing properties there like any, other rich man can do. The concept and execution of Banana was by Lebanese. That’s what he’s trying to say. We Nigerians actually don’t have the discipline, vision and patience to create something like Banana. Asides night clubs, most of the nice businesses and fine dining restaurants in VI are owned by Lebanese. Mega Plaza, LG, Chocolate Royals, Crust and Cream, Park and Shop, Stallion Motors, Kia Motors, Cactus and many more. We find it difficult to run businesses for more than 3 to 5 years before it starts to fall apart, especially business that require brain power, coordination, planning and well timed execution. That’s we are only good at trading, buying and selling, import and selling. We don’t create anything.



This is absolutely brilliant. Spot on analysis

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Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by COMPAQ(m): 10:10pm On Dec 03, 2020
Raydos:


This is the Corporate Tower, It will be 40 storeys high, Just like the Amni tower too

I guess Eko Atlantic is gonna host some of the tallest buildings In Nigeria and probably Africa, Because, currently the tallest building in Nigeria is just 37 storeys!!

Nope, current tallest in Nigeria is old Nitel building on Marina and it certainly ain’t 37 stories. More like 25.
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by okeyglm: 10:24pm On Dec 03, 2020
Vlain:


Cost of building in Nigeria is high most especially when U factor provision of power,water ect, ECT but it's not up to that of new York.
did you see shanghai cost. You are cheaper than china. Abi
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by akigbemaru: 10:38pm On Dec 03, 2020
Aconomist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVvVG_hm4XI

If you go to 3:27, it will move you to tears. Nigeria hasn't changed in over 40 years. Same president. And Marina looks exactly the same as when my dad was my age! In fact, they were even planning to build a light rail in the late 80s and it is still not complete.
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by akigbemaru: 10:41pm On Dec 03, 2020
COMPAQ:


Banana Island in itself was created by Lebanese. Sujimoto is just buying land and developing properties there like any, other rich man can do. The concept and execution of Banana was by Lebanese. That’s what he’s trying to say. We Nigerians actually don’t have the discipline, vision and patience to create something like Banana. Asides night clubs, most of the nice businesses and fine dining restaurants in VI are owned by Lebanese. Mega Plaza, LG, Chocolate Royals, Crust and Cream, Park and Shop, Stallion Motors, Kia Motors, Cactus and many more. We find it difficult to run businesses for more than 3 to 5 years before it starts to fall apart, especially business that require brain power, coordination, planning and well timed execution. That’s we are only good at trading, buying and selling, import and selling. We don’t create anything.
Re: Why Have Nigerians Abandoned Marina District In Lagos? by placeofallure(f): 1:37am On Dec 04, 2020
Aconomist:
It's senseless. With how high rents are in Lagos, why wouldn't someone just renovate the building and make some nice apartments that could easily rent for $2,000 to $6,000 a month? We like to blame government for everything, but reality Nigerians aren't thinking. We are just stangant people. If not for the lebanese, I doubt lagos would look much different from Ibadan in terms of a skyline.

We're intellectually lazy that's our problem. The few that have genuine ideas are limited by funds. What about the Secretariat building in Ikoyi being allowed to waste? And many more like that.

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