YauYamba:
To be honest, I’m not sure what’s difficult to understand in the simple statement that:

Oba Eweka II wakes up every morning at dawn and proceeds to perform ritual supplications for (1st) the Ooni, (2nd) the Alaafin, (3rd) himself, and (4th) all other Yoruba kings.

Oba Eweka II confessed this piece of information to one of his European visitors, H. L. Ward-Price in the 1920s.

Do I really have to type that out in Edo language for you to understand ?? Really!?

No because, he must do a face-saving visit to other personalities as well in order to veil the actual purpose of his Ife visit.

This would make more sense with the video below.

Moreover, these Benin-to-Ife visits has remained one sided since anyone can remember.

It must always be the Benin kings visiting (aka paying homage to) Ife on their ascensions.

It never happens the other way round. That would be an abominable sacrilege.

Yes, and we know this from Omonoba Ewuare II’s homage-visit a few years ago.

This would also make more sense with the video below.

Well, some of the discussions appears to be that the Omonoba n’Edo is required to pay homage at Orun Oba Ado.

“Orun Oba Ado” is the name of an Ife site believed to have been a resting place of the decapitated heads of certain late Benin kings.

This would also make more sense with the video below.
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Check out the following Channels TV News report of the homage-visit of Omonoba Ewuare II:

Go to time-stamp 0:24 to 0:34, and you would find the following words which will answer your foregoing two questions:

“...his first port of call is the palace of the Ooni of Ife, Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi — where he also paid homage to all Benin kings believed to have been buried there.”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZhU2AmpvJk

I am not sure if Benin kings have to do some similar homage-paying activities during their visits to the Sultan for example. Or do they? Lol!

This simple fact thus clarifies the difference between the Benin kings’ visits to Ife and to other personalities in the country.

The other visits are apparently and merely for face-saving purposes, no homage is required in the other visits — or is it?

Peace!

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TAO11:
I don’t know why. Yoruba chiefs should know better!

Ideadoctor:
Yorubas are coward and they conquered igodomido and name it Benin, yorubas are coward and they made slaves of your anscenstors,Yorubas are coward they defeated the Fulani at Oshogbo and ended the jihad,Yorubas are coward and ogedengbe of ijesha threatened Benin and the whole chiefs had sleepless night looking for a way to appease him,Yoruba's are coward chief mko Abiola took risk and confronted abacha the tyrant, even though it cost him his life, Yoruba are coward they stood their ground and prevented the Igbo's from taking an inch of their land at ore,even though Benin city has been overrun by biafrans ,I can continue to mention things Yoruba's has achieved by their guts,amotekun included,so now who is the Coward,? Edo people are fucking cowards all they now how to do is Bleep,they can Bleep any type of penis, yorubas are your lord they aint cowards, Yoruba's are no body slaves they are not aggressive but they want respect, they are civilized,but if you overstep your boundary they are brutal, Benin cowards should beware

valirex:


Lol I like this your brutal, you fit com sapkonba road con brutal there abeg? I wan see something from a Yoruba Dumbo

TAO11:
Wonderful!

Anyways, the report is not a mere claim by a random person as you would love to trick your mind into believing.

Rather, it is a professional news report from an independent and unaffiliated news agency of international repute who was present live during Ewuare II’s visit. Stop tripping!

Moreover, if photos and videos (as opposed to written or oral professional statements and reports too) are the only be all and end all of evidence and proof, then do the following for me:

(1) Provide me “proof” that the so-called Adolo (Ovoranmwen’s father) ever ruled Benin kingdom.

(2) Provide me “proof” that Benin kingdom ever fought one battle in the pre-1800s.

(3) Provide me “proof” that Ovoranmwen lived the rest of his life in Calabar.

Provide me “proof” that any Benin palace chief did establish contrary “evidence”.

Remember to be consistent all through with your warped definition of proof, evidence, etc.

TAO11:
Lol. This bald dullard again with another failed attempt to hide his identity. Haha

How many of your Nairaland accounts must I cause your to delete in shame after receiving humiliation ?

Anyways, H. L. Ward Price who was a colonial civil servant and visitor to Oba Eweka II writes (on the basis of information supplied to him by the king) and I quote here:

“every morning at dawn he entered this place alone and waited for the first rays of day to illuminate the window, when he pressed the crucifix to his forehead, and prayed for the Oni of Ife, the Alafin of Oyo and the Oba of Benin (that is himself); after which he prayed for all the other Yoruba kings. This had for long being the custom”

Reference: H. L. Ward-Price, Dark Subjects (London 1939) p. 238.

TAO11:
Wonderful!

Anyways, the report is not a mere claim by a random person as you would love to trick your mind into believing.

Rather, it is a professional news report from an independent and unaffiliated news agency of international repute who was present live during Ewuare II’s visit. Stop tripping!

Moreover, if photos and videos (as opposed to written or oral professional statements and reports too) are the only be all and end all of evidence and proof, then do the following for me:

(1) Provide me “proof” that the so-called Adolo (Ovoranmwen’s father) ever ruled Benin kingdom.

(2) Provide me “proof” that Benin kingdom ever fought one battle in the pre-1800s.

(3) Provide me “proof” that Ovoranmwen lived the rest of his life in Calabar.

Provide me “proof” that any Benin palace chief did establish contrary “evidence”.

Remember to be consistent all through with your warped definition of proof, evidence, etc.

Ideadoctor:
Yorubas are coward and they conquered igodomido and name it Benin, yorubas are coward and they made slaves of your anscenstors,Yorubas are coward they defeated the Fulani at Oshogbo and ended the jihad,Yorubas are coward and ogedengbe of ijesha threatened Benin and the whole chiefs had sleepless night looking for a way to appease him,Yoruba's are coward chief mko Abiola took risk and confronted abacha the tyrant, even though it cost him his life, Yoruba are coward they stood their ground and prevented the Igbo's from taking an inch of their land at ore,even though Benin city has been overrun by biafrans ,I can continue to mention things Yoruba's has achieved by their guts,amotekun included,so now who is the Coward,? Edo people are fucking cowards all they now how to do is Bleep,they can Bleep any type of penis, yorubas are your lord they aint cowards, Yoruba's are no body slaves they are not aggressive but they want respect, they are civilized,but if you overstep your boundary they are brutal, Benin cowards should beware

TAO11:
Wonderful!

Anyways, the report is not a mere claim by a random person as you would love to trick your mind into believing.

Rather, it is a professional news report from an independent and unaffiliated news agency of international repute who was present live during Ewuare II’s visit. Stop tripping!

Moreover, if photos and videos (as opposed to written or oral professional statements and reports too) are the only be all and end all of evidence and proof, then do the following for me:

(1) Provide me “proof” that the so-called Adolo (Ovoranmwen’s father) ever ruled Benin kingdom.

(2) Provide me “proof” that Benin kingdom ever fought one battle in the pre-1800s.

(3) Provide me “proof” that Ovoranmwen lived the rest of his life in Calabar.

Provide me “proof” that any Benin palace chief did establish contrary “evidence”.

Remember to be consistent all through with your warped definition of proof, evidence, etc.

mythbuster99999:

Information is a thing. How does information A go from the year 1200's to our current era ?
How many important events do you think happened in those 800 years ? Why would these particular extremely precised (even with several names: oduduwa, oranmiyan, ogiso...) information have travelled through more than 800 years while you basically know nothing which supposedly happened before or after (I trust some other story tellers are working on more myths to fill the blank).

Information is like a bag of rice, it doesn't just walk into your doorstep, it needs to be transported:

Documents written by eyewitnesses are the only vehicle to transport information through time in a period with no video !

To understand the concept of history, you guys should watch how egyptologs work and how specialists in european history work. To be frank, most nigerians are illiterates in history. You guys don't know it, but you are terrible at history.

Locate these few things:

1) Bight of ife
2) Bight of yoruba
3) Bight of oyo
4) oyo republic
5) ife republic
6) yoruba republic
7) ife river
oyo river
9) yoruba river
10) any mention of the word yoruba before 1808
11) any mention of the word ife before 1700
....

yoruba actually descend from:

1) liberated slaves who were slaves in europe and america and dumped in our shores by the europeans
2) slave raiders
3) dahomey people
4) eeyo people

The creation of yoruba was done in 1808

The actual indigenous people of the land were citizens of Benin empire.

mythbuster99999:
[s]Debunking the truth with lies: your speciality[/s]

mythbuster99999:
1) Provide the text in full, let me read it myself and make my verifications. Proving your claim is not for me to do.

2) Chritianity is not Benin religion, therefor praying with a crucifix is not a Benin costum.

3) once again, I haven't seen proof of what you claim, I am not going to search for your proof, you have to provide it.

Quoting a paper which only you can see is no proof at all.

Reference: Yomama 1939

mythbuster99999:
A claim is only valid when supported by proof. No matter who makes the claim.
Look, you are a crook. I know it, you know it, everybody knows it. Your yoruba worshippers even praise you for your expertise in crooked ways.
Nigerian journalists are the laziest set of journalists, that is a well known fact.
Journalists have been known to make false claims, it happens all the time, most especially when their source of infprmation tells them a lie ! Or when they lie themselves. This has happened many times to journalists from CNN and all other reknown news media. So once again, reputation of journalism is not proof. Proof is proof.

mythbuster99999:
1) I am not required to prove what I didn't claim.

2) The life of Oba Ovonramwen is well documented by eye witnesses of his existance, there are even photos of him. His personal furniture are in the most prestigeous museums in the world. he fought a war against britian. We know he existed there are just too many proofs of his existance which I have just listed.

Your oduduwa in the other hand, there is no photo of him, there is no text written by eyewitnesses of his existance, there is no proof of his existance.

Furthermore, iformation from hundreds of years ago have only one way of trickling down to our era: texts written by eye witnesses. All other claimed sources are revisionist.

3) A fellow already provided a text written by an eyewitness of Oba Adolo and you saw the text yet you are once again illogially asking for proof of what was already proved before your own eyes. I guess you expected me to not know that it was already proven and you saw the proof.

That is the thing with you, you are a crook, you don't care for the truth, you have a dogma and you defend it with lies and illogical statements. You are not a honnest person nor a rational one.

4)I read only 2 sentences of what you wrote because it is nauseating enough: i know you for always making numerous illogical statements and obvious lies. Although debunking you is quite easy, the problem is that one wasts his time on you. You never fall short of lies. When one debunks one of your lies, you replace that lie with 10 lies. Back and forth with professional liars is not for me. Also the emojis which you keep puting on your writeups expose you as a kid and a troll whom nobody should take seriously.

TAO11:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12759625_2b7c35a2d5db454fb679b11081d4037f_jpeg_jpegcbf17743b1b50b62118a18e2628d6e7d

Amotolongbo:
Abeg ma, which Ooni is this?

TAO11:
I’m sorry I’m just seeing this.

That’s Oba Adesoji Aderemi.

He reigned before Oba Okunade Sijuade who reigned before the present Ooni, Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi

Amotolongbo:
I know Ooni Adesoji Aderemi so well.

It doesn’t really look like him to me. Perhaps one of his earlier pictures as the king in the mid90s

Thanks ma

Edited*

I just looked critically. It was him

TAO11:
Enjoy your life in denial. It seems to be the latest Benin life style.

In fact, my burden of proof actually simply involves to provide you with the relevant statement and its relevant reference, viz. author, work, publisher, year, and page number.

My burden of proof doesn’t not involve buying you the materials — that is for your parents to do.

Lol, you’re obviously quite naïve even on your own so called culture and history.

Anyways, make your complaint to the Benin ‘bronze’ sculpture shown in the embedded image below amongst several other such classical Benin sculptures depicting crucifixes in Benin culture.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12817980_e4d04c05ee84420bbfd33f4a2fdd16fd_jpeg_jpegbdd68ed965920bc8b1ea656ac93ccd8c This image is as culled from Frank Willett’s “Ife in the History of West African Sculpture, 1967”.

Argue with such Benin ‘bronze’ sculptures as to why they shouldn’t be adorning a crucifix since a crucifix is allegedly not supposed to be part of Benin cultural objects. Olódo!

Listen again bald dullard aka ghostwon, my burden of proof doesn’t involve buying you a book. That’s your parents’ duty.

My burden simply involves providing you a statement, and then backing it up with complete referencing which I have done.

Whether you which to follow up the reference to verify whether or not the relevant statement is indeed present in the referenced material is then up to you.

You have to stop taking advantage of your fellow Bini brothers just because you’re well convinced of their low IQ. Haha!

Well, as long as I haven’t covered up your eyes from seeing anything, then your complaint here should be directed to an optometrist, not to me.

What statement is this so-called reference supposed to be in relation to?

What were you trying to substantiate with this non-existent reference?

Moreover, contrasting this to my own reference which is real and existent, I have provided a relevant quotation backed by full referencing.

The reference I provided shows every information required to verify the statement — that is:

The author’s name (H. L. Ward-Price), the work’s title (Dark Subjects), the location of publication and year (London, 1939), and even page number (p. 238).

Furthermore, here is a what a photograph of the book looks like in case you’re about to make your usual absurd claim that no such book exists.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12818020_7aed97cf20c6403680d8fe9a80cb1807_jpeg_jpegae3fce45eb8ea4b70193283e50495531

Likewise, I need you to show me a photograph of your fictional non-existent “Yomama”, as well as what statement you intended it to substantiate. LMAO!

You’re an eternal dullard, I hope you didn’t forget yet.

Cheers!

TAO11:
Enjoy your life in denial. It seems to be the latest Benin life style.

However, my actual burden of proof simply involves providing you with the relevant statement and its relevant reference, viz. author, work, publisher, year, and page number — which I have done.

My burden of proof does not involve buying you the materials — that is for your parents to do.

Lol, you’re obviously quite naïve even on your own so called culture and history.

Anyways, make your complaint to the Benin ‘bronze’ sculpture shown in the embedded image below amongst several other such classical Benin sculptures depicting crucifixes in Benin culture.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12817980_e4d04c05ee84420bbfd33f4a2fdd16fd_jpeg_jpegbdd68ed965920bc8b1ea656ac93ccd8c This image is as culled from Frank Willett’s “Ife in the History of West African Sculpture, 1967”.

Argue with such Benin ‘bronze’ sculptures as to why they shouldn’t be adorning a crucifix since a crucifix is allegedly not supposed to be part of Benin cultural objects. Olódo!

Listen again bald dullard aka ghostwon, my burden of proof doesn’t involve buying you a book. That’s your parents’ duty.

My burden simply involves providing you a statement, and then backing it up with complete referencing which I have done.

Whether you which to follow up the reference to verify whether or not the relevant statement is indeed present in the referenced material is then up to you.

You have to stop taking advantage of your fellow Bini brothers just because you’re well convinced of their low IQ. Haha!

Well, as long as I haven’t covered up your eyes from seeing anything, then your complaint here should be directed to an optometrist, not to me.

What statement is this so-called reference supposed to be in relation to?

What were you trying to substantiate with this non-existent reference?

Moreover, contrasting this to my own reference which is real and existent, I have provided a relevant quotation backed by full referencing.

The reference I provided shows every information required to verify the statement — that is:

The author’s name (H. L. Ward-Price), the work’s title (Dark Subjects), the location of publication and year (London, 1939), and even page number (p. 238).

Furthermore, here is a what a photograph of the book looks like in case you’re about to make your usual absurd claim that no such book exists.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12818020_7aed97cf20c6403680d8fe9a80cb1807_jpeg_jpegae3fce45eb8ea4b70193283e50495531

Likewise, I need you to show me a photograph of your fictional non-existent “Yomama”, as well as what statement you intended it to substantiate. LMAO!

You’re an eternal dullard, I hope you didn’t forget yet.

Cheers!

Locate these few things:

1) Bight of ife
2) Bight of yoruba
3) Bight of oyo
4) oyo republic
5) ife republic
6) yoruba republic
7) ife river
oyo river
9) yoruba river
10) any mention of the word yoruba before 1808
11) any mention of the word ife before 1700
....

yoruba actually descend from:

1) liberated slaves who were slaves in europe and america and dumped in our shores by the europeans
2) slave raiders
3) dahomey people
4) eeyo people

The creation of yoruba was done in 1808

The actual indigenous people of the land were citizens of Benin empire.