Used to be this cheerful young man, always trying to work things out for me and my family and praying to God to make things go better and smoothly. Right from the age of 17 I have been stuck with depression, the church is like my number one home, both in giving and supporting, I'm the youth coordinator in trying to make sure the young ones follow a good path.

Something happened last year, I lost all I had financially, and literally I was mentally unstable for some months. My pastor's, everyone moved on like nothing happened. I got myself back together and met with three different pastor's for help, for at least a loan to help me start back up with life, they never supported.

During this time of trouble, those that preached love and kindness to me never showed any, not even moral support. I was left for myself.

Why can't the church help it's member's in need, even with all the millions the boast of?

The church is neither your local government chairman, state governor or your president.
Please hold them accountable.

those that preached love and kindness to me never showed any, not even moral support.

I think about this every time.


The Church will have millions untouched in the bank, a member will be unemployed, yet the Church can’t even buy Keke marwa for the member for hire purchase.

Why stock money in the bank while members of your Church are hungry? Invest in your members.

That is not why it was created...it aim is to seperate you from your money..Not help you in any way..

That is because the church does not practice what they preach

Jesus preaching was helping the poor and the needy, it was also a preaching of love.

The church are only concern with offerings.

in my opinion, i believe only catholic church practice what they preach, the rest churches are all about collecting and accumulating not giving back

ignis:
The church is neither your local government chairman, state governor or your president.
Please hold them accountable.

I don't know why your comment disgust me, I know they are not, but they still have a role to play, imagine having fleets of cars as a man of God, and then a devote member whose business was about to take a beautiful turn, his business rather burnt to zero, won't you offer support, even if it's a loan or so

Some churches do help members in need with spiritual, financial and even educational support, I have been to one of such churches. Unfortunately I had to leave the church when I relocated. It is rare to find such places of worship. I think it's more about the pastor of the particular church, for example one branch of XYZ Church may be very supportive to their members passing through difficult times, while another branch may not give a damn what you're going through, and even relegate you to the background when you can no longer meet up with your financial "obligations" to them.

I should say it depends on the Church in question.
Most Churches have a welfare / benevolence department.

Sorry about your experience.

Truth is, even in Churches, cliques exist.
If you were in the inner caucus, I'm sure they would have more helpful to you. I am not justifying their actions. Just saying it as I see it.

DumbGeek:
I don't know why your comment disgust me, I know they are not, but they still have a role to play, imagine having fleets of cars as a man of God, and then a devote member whose business was about to take a beautiful turn, his business rather burnt to zero, won't you offer support, even if it's a loan or so

The man of God is not under obligation to help his members financially

lol
yr comments funi o
is it ignorance, or trying to stir up arguments?
just sad

ignis:


The man of God is not under obligation to help his members financially

op
many b4 u have asked dis question.
Nigerian churches r a problem in many ways.
any community of Christians who fail to practice Acts 4:32-37 is wasting it's time.
simple.

those that preached love and kindness to me never showed any, not even moral support.

DumbGeek:
Used to be this cheerful young man, always trying to work things out for me and my family and praying to God to make things go better and smoothly. Right from the age of 17 I have been stuck with depression, the church is like my number one home, both in giving and supporting, I'm the youth coordinator in trying to make sure the young ones follow a good path.

Something happened last year, I lost all I had financially, and literally I was mentally unstable for some months. My pastor's, everyone moved on like nothing happened. I got myself back together and met with three different pastor's for help, for at least a loan to help me start back up with life, they never supported.

During this time of trouble, those that preached love and kindness to me never showed any, not even moral support. I was left for myself.

Why can't the church help it's member's in need, even with all the millions the boast of?

Don't Depend On D Church. D Church Too Av Needs.

ignis:


The man of God is not under obligation to help his members financially

you are wrong my friend.He is under obligation to help financially if any has needs.That is why God instituted tithes and offerings

Churches are greedy, they milk you dry, they dont care.

It depends on the church you attend.

ignis:
The church is neither your local government chairman, state governor or your president.
Please hold them accountable.

No Christian will enter Heaven without doing the work God has commanded all those who believe in Him to do I.e. works of righteousness. And what are the works that the righteous do?

FEED HIS SHEEP
* give food to those who are hungry
* give drink to those who are thirsty

TAKE CARE OF HIS SHEEP
* cloth those who are naked
* give a home to those who have no home
* care for those who are sick
* visit those who are in prison

If you think you can play according to your pastors and preachers, what I like to call "playing church", and then waltz into Heaven at the end, you are only fooling yourself. God already commanded..it is for you to obey or not to obey.

Most people don't know why Christianity was established!

There are charity Organizations, people donate whatever they have to increase the lots of these Organization so that when they come in contact with those who need help they can render it. But that's not why Jesus of Nazareth commissioned Christianity! Every dime gotten was to propagate the good news of God's kingdom not to assist the needy!
But Jesus also cared for the needy, HOW? He instructed his followers to take the best care of one another not with what was given for the sake of the good news but individuals whose heart compels them on their own whatever is brought for Jesus must be used for Jesus, Christianity is not a charity group!

Where most churchgoers got it wrong was when those in charge of the treasury makes use of it for their own personal use {John 12:6} note that it was after Jesus told Judas Iscariot that whatever is brought to him should be used for him alone that Judas left and went to connive with the Chief Priest on how to make PERSONAL gain by placing a price on Jesus! Matthew 26:14-16

So you can speak with fellow believers on individual bases for financial problems you have not to the church because that's not the purpose why Jesus commissioned Christianity!

MaxInDHouse:
Most people don't know why Christianity was established!

There are charity Organizations, people donate whatever they have to increase the lots of these Organization so that when they come in contact with those who need help they can render it. But that's not why Jesus of Nazareth commissioned Christianity! Every dime gotten was to propagate the good news of God's kingdom not to assist the needy!
But Jesus also cared for the needy, HOW? He instructed his followers to take the best care of one another not with what was given for the sake of the good news but individuals whose heart compels them on their own whatever is brought for Jesus must be used for Jesus, Christianity is not a charity group!

Where most churchgoers got it wrong was when those in charge of the treasury makes use of it for their own personal use {John 12:6} note that it was after Jesus told Judas Iscariot that whatever is brought to him should be used for him alone that Judas left and went to connive with the Chief Priest on how to make PERSONAL gain by placing a price on Jesus! Matthew 26:14-16

So you can speak with fellow believers on individual bases for financial problems you have not to the church because that's not the purpose why Jesus commissioned Christianity!

Lies.


Can you proof all spendings are to propagate the Gospel?


Please when some persons gave government millions and food stuffs was it to propagate the Gospel?

Kobojunkie:
No Christian will enter Heaven without doing the work God has commanded all those who believe in Him to do I.e. works of righteousness. And what are the works that the righteous do?

FEED HIS SHEEP
* give food to those who are hungry
* give drink to those who are thirsty

TAKE CARE OF HIS SHEEP
* cloth those who are naked
* give a home to those who have no home
* care for those who are sick
* visit those who are in prison

If you think you can play according to your pastors and preachers, what I like to call "playing church", and then waltz into Heaven at the end, you are only fooling yourself. God already commanded..it is for you to obey or not to obey.

Nice one

Please cancel government and replace with Church!
We are talking about the money dedicated to the church activities not what philanthropists donated to assist the government!

BusinessCity:

Lies.
Can you proof all spendings are to propagate the Gospel?
Please when some persons gave government CHURCH millions and food stuffs was it to propagate the Gospel?

MaxInDHouse:
Please cancel government and replace with Church!
We are talking about the money dedicated to the church activities not what philanthropists donated to assist the government!

Continue deceiving yourself you here. And the hotels and guest houses built is to propagate Gospel too abi?

BusinessCity:

Nice one

It is the truth...only those who do the will of God will enter into Heaven.
All of your church activities combined will accomplish nothing but the furthering of the kingdom of the men who own these churches here on earth - God never called anyone to doing "church activities" on his behalf. He was clear and still is clear as far as what He wants...obedience in the doing of His works...works of righteousness without which no single person will enter into Heaven. Of course all of those who will flood Hell can do without works of righteousness though.

Note that i'm not saying you personally shouldn't help your brother who is in need! John 12:8
But taking what's contributed for the furtherance of the good news and diverting it to personal use is the bone of contention here!
What is dedicated to God's work must be spent solely for that purpose!
Hotels and Guest houses are money making ventures not God's work that's done voluntarily.
Buying Bibles and other things needed for the good news is still for the purpose, but don't allow anyone to think that they can come for the money contributed for God's work to solve the problems they created for themselves.
There are people who willingly forgo marriage and couples who decided not to have children so that they won't become a burden for the church! 1Thessalonians 2:9

So anyone who wants to have a family must be prepared to slave for the upkeep of his family, that's not the business of the church.

Jesus had no wives nor Children, Paul never got married and many first century Christians lived a less burdensome lifestyle.

Please the money contributed to the church must be used for the church and not for anybody's personal problem!

BusinessCity:

Continue deceiving yourself you here. And the hotels and guest houses built is to propagate Gospel too abi?

MaxInDHouse:
Note that i'm not saying you personally shouldn't help your brother who is in need! John 12:8
But taking what's contributed for the furtherance of the good news and diverting it to personal use is the bone of contention here!
What is dedicated to God's work must be spent solely for that purpose!
Hotels and Guest houses are money making ventures not God's work that's done voluntarily.
Buying Bibles and other things needed for the good news is still for the purpose, but don't allow anyone to think that they can come for the money contributed for God's work to solve the problems they created for themselves.
There are people who willingly forgo marriage and couples who decided not to have children so that they won't become a burden for the church! 1Thessalonians 2:9

So anyone who wants to have a family must be prepared to slave for the upkeep of his family, that's not the business of the church.

Jesus had no wives nor Children, Paul never got married and many first century Christians lived a less burdensome lifestyle.

Please the money contributed to the church must be used for the church and not for anybody's personal problem!

Stop deceiving yourself young man


When certain members get the help they need because they belong to a clique and others don't get legitimate needs, it's still propagating the Gospel abi


Please God gave us brain and the Holy Spirit so we shouldn't be foolish. I take goodness beg you

Well for your information i am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, so i'm speaking from the Bible's point of view not what unbelievers think as good deeds.
We may approach our fellow believers for financial assistance to cater for our personal needs but when it comes to the contribution donated for the purpose of the ministry, nobody must touch it!

BusinessCity:

Stop deceiving yourself young man
When certain members get the help they need because they belong to a clique and others don't get legitimate needs, it's still propagating the Gospel abi
Please God gave us brain and the Holy Spirit so we shouldn't be foolish. I take goodness beg you

MaxInDHouse:
Well for your information i am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, so i'm speaking from the Bible's point of view not what unbelievers think as good deeds.
We may approach our fellow believers for financial assistance to cater for our personal needs but when it comes to the contribution donated for the purpose of the ministry, nobody must touch it!

My dear. I've passed through different religious institutions.


Jesus told Peter. Feed for my sheep, cloth my sheep, take care of my sheep


Go do your homework and research on what that scripture fully implies and what social welfare means

FEED MY SHEEP! John 21:15-17

It simply means making sure they get enough spiritual nourishment not carrying burdens they brought upon themselves. That's what led them to start planning how to eradicate poverty in their midst back then and they paid dearly for that blunder as they lost a couple!

So God didn't ask them to eradicate poverty for Jesus said to them "you will always have the poor wit you" {Mark 14:7} after the death of Ananiah and Saphirras the first century Christian congregation ended that program, each person can help whoever he has the power to help but coming together to plan how to eradicate poverty was a wrong step. ONLY GOD'S KINGDOM CAN BRING SUCH A CHANGE!

As long as this wicked system lasts, we will always have poor people in our midst! John 12:8

May you have PEACE!

BusinessCity:

My dear. I've passed through different religious institutions. Jesus told Peter. Feed for my sheep, cloth my sheep take care of my sheep
Go do your homework and research on what that scripture fully implies and what social welfare means

MaxInDHouse:
FEED MY SHEEP! John 21:15-17

It simply means making sure they get enough spiritual nourishment not carrying burdens they brought upon themselves. That's what led them to start planning how to eradicate poverty in their midst back then and they paid dearly for that blunder as they lost a couple!

So God didn't ask them to eradicate poverty for Jesus said to them "you will always have the poor wit you" {Mark 14:7} after the death of Ananiah and Saphirras the first century Christian congregation ended that program, each person can help whoever he has the power to help but coming together to plan how to eradicate poverty was a wrong step. ONLY GOD'S KINGDOM CAN BRING SUCH A CHANGE!

As long as this wicked system lasts, we will always have poor people in our midst! John 12:8

May you have PEACE!

Smiles. You obviously understand the letter but lack the spirit. It's not surprising these days. Poorly need Christians


Go research on what social welfare is and have someone more spiritually mature than you teach you that scripture


I leave you in peace


Shalom

Contrary to claims made, the apostles never stopped doing the works of righteousness that God had commanded of them, and they are credited to this day with setting up the very first pantry system, a system which eventually helped saved so many lives during the great famine of the first century.

I am no sure where the lie that suggests that the apostles stopped doing the works of righteousness set before them by Jesus Christ comes from but history refute s such a lie.
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/themelios/article/the-genesis-of-the-jerusalem-donation/

There are lot of churches that have a very solid welfare, some churches pay some of their members school fees from primary to university.

Let's stop all these ungodly generalisation.

There's a difference between what pure worship means and what you're expecting from worship!

There is a purpose for which Christianity was established, i reasoned with you from the scriptures. Just know that God's Holy Spirit is working with God's people today and it's not a failure otherwise if what you're expecting is truly the right way to go about it and there's no religion practicing it then what you're saying indirectly is "God's Holy Spirit has failed to accomplish the purpose for which it was sent" John 14:26

BusinessCity:

Smiles. You obviously understand the letter but lack the spirit. It's not surprising these days. Poorly need Christians
Go research on what social welfare is and have someone more spiritually mature than you teach you that scripture
I leave you in peace
Shalom