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Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by staneless(m): 10:30am On Jan 24
Who has gone there to tell you that it really exist?
Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by Casham: 10:31am On Jan 24
Honestly, this hell issue is the one thing that's making me doubt The Bible and 'God'. If The Bible really claim it is real, then, gaskiya, it is really dissappointing. I choose not to even think about it because thinking about it makes me seriously question 'God'. Just imaging; the most evil place in the universe was created and designed by the most benevolent being. And He is ready and willing to torment (not just destroy) the creatures He loves the most in such a place FOREVER. If only just one Man should end up in such a place, I somehow believe it is a big insult to God's deity. NO MAN, HOWEVER EVIL DESERVE SUCH A FATE.
So, I am sorry, I cannot believe in such a place because it is derorgatory to the idea of 'God'. Any religion that claims believe in hell to me is not from God. It is a human invention. Simple.

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Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by MrRegret: 10:33am On Jan 24
If D CHURCH likes they should create stories that if any does bad dey will put there preeq inside volcana for all eternity, who go do bad go do bad, ur politheifcian will still loot ur funds and put people in misery.

Know this today, dat it is not out of fear that man worship Jehovah God but out of reverential fear and LOVE, that man worship God.
So instead of preaching torment, remind us what love, God has shown us and done for us.

Kapish.

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Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by obonujoker(m): 10:39am On Jan 24
Henrymorre:
can I see the Bible scripture that says this.

1 Corinthians 15:51-53

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by poweredcom(m): 10:55am On Jan 24
Nonsense notin like heaven not hell after death

Your heaven and hell are on earth

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Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by Henrymorre: 10:58am On Jan 24
obonujoker:


1 Corinthians 15:51-53

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
so did the passage say that we will have no feelings, or did it in any way even reflect to what you typed. Go back and read what you type
Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by egobetatoday: 11:04am On Jan 24
Henrymorre:
imagine being in heaven and singing everyday of your life forever shouting holy holy is the Lord. What's the purpose, no sex no alcohol, no party, no beer. Lol

In Allah's heaven there will be sex, alcohol, drinking and 70 virgins with bulgy eyes for each man (if u are a woman,sorry, nothing for you). So u can become a Muslim if that's how u want heaven to look like.
Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by Billyonaire666: 11:15am On Jan 24
obonujoker:



You think hell is a physical fire?

Fire is the 4th State of Matter, and Matter is a condensation of Energy and Spirit is the source of Energy. So, there is no way Fire - a sub plasma fluid can have effect on its substrate, spirit being the base of all that there is, in the Cosmos.

May be you should re-write or edit pages of the Bible, just like Corpenicus and King James did, explaining that Fire has spiritual version for Hell, ofcourse it will be another lie. Fire is multi-dimensional, but it is not possible for fire to have effect on Soul, not to talk of spirit. Spirit created fire.

I have nothing against religions but please stay in your churches and mosques and Ashrams if you want to continue your mind control experiment.

Allow those who venture online for knowledge to keep an open mind.

You religious people are just not engaging your brains.

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Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by Peacefullove: 11:19am On Jan 24
jesusjnr2020:
Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists

Because to see hell fire, you might have to be inside hell fire first, and by then it might already be too late for you to be able to do anything about it even though you now believe it exists.

So your believing that hell fire exists after you've seen it with very own your eyes would not be of any use to you, just as it was with the rich man in the instance of Lazarus who couldn't use it to do anything about his own stay there. Hence his request that those who were yet alive on Earth be reached with the message of hell's existence by someone who had seen hell fire after death but wasn't in hell like Lazarus, who didn't wait to see it first before he believed, so that they wouldn't have to go to that place of torment.

Luke 16:23-28 (KJV)

And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.


That request of the rich man in hell fire has been granted by God on several occasions, as He's sent many people like Lazarus to testify of hell fire's existence to those alive on Earth who've never been there before, so that they wouldn't have to also go there as the rich man just because they didn't know that it existed.

But if despite the warnings of all these people that God had sent from the dead to testify of hell fire's existence, you still end up in hell fire as the rich man because you wanted to see hell fire first before you believed in its existence, you wouldn't have anyone else to blame but yourself, because the same testimony of hell fire you wasted, was that which the rich man in hell fire wished he had to prevent him from getting there.

God bless.

Human body in hell with tongue ?

I thought u guys said one spirit is what goes to hell ?

Explain yourself

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Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by Billyonaire666: 11:20am On Jan 24
Ugandatales:


The lies of hell is just to keep Christians in check. But it seems not to be working that effectively anymore, cos the way Christians sin ehn! Imagine a choir member going to have sex with her boyfriend early in the morning on her way to church. And she will still get liver to sing in the choir that same morning.

Sex is not a sin, but if you hurt someone on that process, it is best to apologize and that is it.

Sin is a Lie. Cause has effects and effect has cause. That is all about it.
Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by Peacefullove: 11:22am On Jan 24
BlowYourMind:
If you don't believe hell, you don't need to, but I wish you will never experience hell, but what is the essence of doing evil and died an a dinner and probably there is hell and you are tormented for life what will be your gain

This mentality would get you inside that hell ( doesn't even exist Though) , but do you read that The Fearful will end in the lake of fire ?
Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by Peacefullove: 11:23am On Jan 24
obonujoker:



You think hell is a physical fire?

Na Spiritual fire ? Confused people
Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by Farki: 11:29am On Jan 24
The well known argument of Pascal's Wager which could be applied to any other religion.

To quote the Simpsons "What if the real God doesn't want us to go to church and when we do it it makes him angrier?".

Now for a sensible examination of what we term to be "hell" it is clear that hell like other concepts are a Christian invention. The images of demons burning people and torturing them are the product of Dante's Divine Comedy and taking the concept of hades from other religions.

The word hell isn't even mentioned in the Bible at all and the Jews have a totally different concept of the afterlife.

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Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by egobetatoday: 11:30am On Jan 24
P1PrinceKT:

I am sorry madam to say something at this point.

I feel the same question as you.
even though I am Muslim.

in Our town(We Believe being a Christian is a ticket to being immoral due to free-tickets.)

Immoralities has more access in Christianity than any other religion.

churches are builted next to Everything! even a well respected will termed it as immoral.
(brothels, beer parlour, gambling cites etc).


I don't know actually what is #Correct and #Wrong in Christianity.

but I know some verses in the Bible that condemned almost 70-80 % of what Islam condemned.

what you want to do get #RESPECT is to try practice what you preach.




I know several Muslims who fornicate, defraud, kill etc. my Muslim house help got pregnant and aborted. According to Muslims, she hasn't sinned because the fornication was done in secret, so also the abortion. Her hijab rubs the floor in case you want to knowcheesy. In Christianity, We know God sees the heart, so what is the use of covering when the person (God) who will judge if you are a sinner or not saw your fornication carried out in secret?cheesy Unlike in Islam! In Christianity, There is no need covering your sin because God sees them all, Infact he sees your heart! . So, there is no difference, for us as Christians, between that Christian you have concluded has free ticket to do immoral things and the Muslim girl who covers up all her body and still do immoral things. Muslims like to be deceived that's why they pretend and do all the covering, Christians know you can't pretend for God. We only pray for such people in Christianity, we don't enforce that they dress well or pretend to be holy. The Bible says 'chose this day whom you will serve' so we have a choice to serve God or not unlike in Islam where there is no choice. God is the ultimate judge who rewards heaven or hell at the appropriate time.
Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by egobetatoday: 11:31am On Jan 24
Farki:
The well known argument of Pascal's Wager which could be applied to any other religion.

To quote the Simpsons "What if the real God doesn't want us to go to church and when we do it it makes him angrier?".

Now for a sensible examination of what we term to be "hell" it is clear that hell like other concepts are a Christian invention. The images of demons burning people and torturing them are the product of Dante's Divine Comedy and taking the concept of hades from other religions.

The word hell isn't even mentioned in the Bible at all and the Jews have a totally different concept of the afterlife.

Go and read Revelations, lake of fire is mentioned several times.
Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by Farki: 11:32am On Jan 24
tobechi74:
Makes God sound wicked

You mean the same God that burnt cities, mauled children with bears, drowned the entire earth, killed someone's family on a bet and commanded Isrealites to kill non virgin women is wicked?
Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by Farki: 11:34am On Jan 24
egobetatoday:


Go and read Revelations, lake of fire is mentioned several times.

Hell and "lake of fire" are the same word?

Remember that "lake of fire" only appeared when the Greeks and Romans took over Isreal and introduced their religion, previously the afterlife was known as "sheol".
Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by Nobody: 11:35am On Jan 24
jesusjnr2020:
Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists

Because to see hell fire, you might have to be inside hell fire first, and by then it might already be too late for you to be able to do anything about it even though you now believe it exists.

So your believing that hell fire exists after you've seen it with very own your eyes would not be of any use to you, just as it was with the rich man in the instance of Lazarus who couldn't use it to do anything about his own stay there. Hence his request that those who were yet alive on Earth be reached with the message of hell's existence by someone who had seen hell fire after death but wasn't in hell like Lazarus, who didn't wait to see it first before he believed, so that they wouldn't have to go to that place of torment.

Luke 16:23-28 (KJV)

And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.


That request of the rich man in hell fire has been granted by God on several occasions, as He's sent many people like Lazarus to testify of hell fire's existence to those alive on Earth who've never been there before, so that they wouldn't have to also go there as the rich man just because they didn't know that it existed.

But if despite the warnings of all these people that God had sent from the dead to testify of hell fire's existence, you still end up in hell fire as the rich man because you wanted to see hell fire first before you believed in its existence, you wouldn't have anyone else to blame but yourself, because the same testimony of hell fire you wasted, was that which the rich man in hell fire wished he had to prevent him from getting there.

God bless.

Fake news.

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Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by chatinent(m): 11:35am On Jan 24
Hell fire; a pagan belief.

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Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by davidinchrist(m): 11:36am On Jan 24
illicit:
I don't care if it exists or not....


I don't want to go to heaven or hell.... just let me be

Hmm, unfortunately, once Jesus tells one 'Depart from me', in other words: Go to Hell, then no more rest and way out for all eternity.


I think it's worth thinking about.

God bless.

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Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by illicit(m): 11:39am On Jan 24
davidinchrist:


Hmm, unfortunately, once Jesus tells one 'Depart from me', in other words: Go to Hell, then no more rest and way out for all eternity.


I think it's worth thinking about.

God bless.


You don't understand, do you?


I don't care about where you want to go, why should you bother yourself about where I want to go
Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by egobetatoday: 11:43am On Jan 24
Peacefullove:


Human body in hell with tongue ?

I thought u guys said one spirit is what goes to hell ?

Explain yourself

God breathed his spirit on the earth he formed (body) and it became a living soul (Genesis 2:7). From this you can see the relationship between the spirit, soul and body. So man is made up of a spirit (which is from God and will go back to God after death. It is God's property), a soul (which is the real you, the soul returns to his maker too. It is the soul that goes for judgement with God) and a body (which was made from earth and which we carry around when we are alive, at death it goes back to the earth).
Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by mfoniso67157: 11:43am On Jan 24
For those who are planning the journey of heaven and HELL please where is the geographical locations of HEAVEN and HELL?? before someone plan a journey he should have an idea of the location first

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Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by egobetatoday: 11:45am On Jan 24
Farki:


Hell and "lake of fire" are the same word?

Remember that "lake of fire" only appeared when the Greeks and Romans took over Isreal and introduced their religion, previously the afterlife was known as "sheol".

It's okay if you don't believe it. Go and read revelations.
Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by lonlytroy(m): 11:45am On Jan 24
Is there any hell worst than Nigeria?
Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by davidinchrist(m): 11:47am On Jan 24
illicit:



You don't understand, do you?


I don't care about where you want to go, why should you bother yourself about where I want to go

Right then, your choice.


G.B
Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by offset67(m): 11:49am On Jan 24
AntiChristian:
I believe in hell. I believe in Paradise. May Allah protect me from hell and admit me into the best part of Paradise.

Aamin
there's nothing like "Allah"
Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by obonujoker(m): 12:00pm On Jan 24
Henrymorre:
so did the passage say that we will have no feelings, or did it in any way even reflect to what you typed. Go back and read what you type

We'd have feeling Sir, but the feelings or desires of doing anything against God's will shall be removed...

The corruptible shall put on incorruptible... That's what it means Sir...
Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by obonujoker(m): 12:02pm On Jan 24
Billyonaire666:


Fire is the 4th State of Matter, and Matter is a condensation of Energy and Spirit is the source of Energy. So, there is no way Fire - a sub plasma fluid can have effect on its substrate, spirit being the base of all that there is, in the Cosmos.

May be you should re-write or edit pages of the Bible, just like Corpenicus and King James did, explaining that Fire has spiritual version for Hell, ofcourse it will be another lie. Fire is multi-dimensional, but it is not possible for fire to have effect on Soul, not to talk of spirit. Spirit created fire.

I have nothing against religions but please stay in your churches and mosques and Ashrams if you want to continue your mind control experiment.

Allow those who venture online for knowledge to keep an open mind.

You religious people are just not engaging your brains.

Don't be foolish... God is above matter... And stop wasting your time going on irrelevant spiritual travels... Come to Jesus and be saved

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Re: Why You Shouldn't Wait To See Hell Fire First Before You Believe That It Exists by Horus(m): 12:03pm On Jan 24
Where is Hell?.They don’t know where hell is, or if such a place really exists. They can’t even decide what hell is. Which one is it?. Is it the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10) or the pit (Revelation 11:7) or is it a place where you will be given oozing pus to drink like the Koran describes (Koran 14:16), or a place where you will be roasted (Koran 17:18), or a prison (Koran 17:8 )?. Also, how did the pit get there? How did a big place of fire get beneath us? Did God create it down there? Why is it that scientists haven’t discovered it yet being they have dug holes straight down to the center of the Earth? Why is it that you can’t find hell if it really is a place that exists? Scientists have listened to the ground, they have all kinds of advanced technical equipment with computers. Have they heard crackling fires?

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