Why can't pastors just forget about tithes and just collect offerings. Paul that brought Christianity to us never took tithes. Why are pastors still holding on to this Old testament practice and law? I have heard pastors say tithes predates the law, so they are still allowed to collect it.

The 3 verses below are all referring to what Melchizedek said and did. “And he gave him tithes of all” in verse 20 might be referring to tithe on the bread and wine that Melchizedek king of Salem brought to Abram. There is no mention here of the goods and people of Sodom and Gomorrah that Abram had recovered.

Genesis 14
   18. And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

   19. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

   20. And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.


How did the first tithe come about, the Bible tells us that this first tithe came after Abram brought back the people and goods of Sodom and Gomorrah, why should the teaching of tithes today be based on Sodom and Gomorrah? Has pastors forgotting why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah

Genesis 19:24
Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

Hebrews 7:8
And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

OP,

Would you give up a lucrative line of business willingly?

They should let go of a sure banker avenue for making non-taxable cash profit? They should let go when there are so many mugus around waiting so eagerly to be served? Are you kidding, or what?!

Jenwitemi:

They should let go of a sure banker avenue for making non-taxable cash profit? They should let go when there are so many mugus around waiting so eagerly to be served? Are you kidding, or what?!

thank u bro. these people fail to understand that tithes is there source of revenue. i just pity the dumb onces that really pay

@post
They say if you don't pay your tithes your robbing god its emotional blackmail.

Shouldn't the fact that atheists, agnostics and satanists all seem to agree that tithes is wrong tell you Christians a lot about where you stand on this issue?

@olaadegbu
Fraud is fraud no matter your religious beliefs, so your argument does not hold water. Asides true christians who understand the bible and the will of God would tell you that the tithes being preached and practised today is not of God but a fraudulent manipulation of biblical tith
es.

manmustwac:

@post
They say if you don't pay your tithes your robbing god its emotional blackmail.

Some will even quote Mal 10, threatening them indirectly



Would any good dad curse his children if they fail to give him 10% of their income every month, when he is not in need.

If we that are not as good as God, if we know how to give good things to our children FREELY, how much more the Almighty heavenly father. (Jesus said)

Has anyone ever asked themselves this question, that Jesus only mentioned tithe 3 times and he was not praising those that tithe rather it was "woe, woe and abased" on those he was referring to relating to tithing.

^^^ Well, you are making too much sense and many people do not like that kind of thing; they prefer the twisting/distortion of the Bible and will tell you that in those passages Jesus was supporting or advocating or maybe even commanding tithing for Christians.

Has anyone ever asked themselves this question, that Jesus only mentioned tithe 3 times and he was not praising those that tithe rather it was "woe, woe and abased" on those he was referring to relating to tithing.

26. Matthew 23:23 (Whole Chapter)
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.


27. Luke 11:42 (Whole Chapter)
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.


28. Luke 18:14
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Sinners sef don dey bear 'bro'. na wa o

Ymodulus:

thank u bro. these people fail to understand that tithes is there source of revenue. i just pity the dumb onces that really pay

Image123:

Sinners sef don dey bear 'bro'. na wa o

They be brothers in crime.

okayyyy

@image123

And you is not a sinner is what Self righteous hypocritical pharisee

@Mr Bible, it should be obvious to you that Jesus was condemning the fact that the Pharisees were focusing a lot on an area while disregarding weigther virtues. Beyond tithing, mercy, faith and love are the key ingredients in the life of a Christian.
He advised that they should do both and not negelect any. JESUS WORDS!

He was also condemning the self righteou acts of the pharisee who came to justify himself rather than repent of any sins he committed as against the sinner who came for mercy.
Note that fasting was also mentioned, are you now saying fasting is wrong?

The bible says we might give our all to the poor and offer our bodies to be burned but if we do not have love, it's a waste. This shows that even acts of love not backed with love is woeful. Hence as Jesus said have mercy, show love, help one another, tithe.

Let us love indeed our brethren and act it by stopping all these uncalled for abuses which most people confidently spew behind their computer screens for more understanding and acceptance.

OLAADEGBU:

Shouldn't the fact that atheists, agnostics and satanists all seem to agree that tithes is wrong tell you Christians a lot about where you stand on this issue?

atheists, agnostics and satanists are anti-christianity itself, so, not really a convincing argument.

just saying.

Alwaystrue

See what Jesus was referring to as tithe: mint and anise and cummin. Why did Jesus not mention tithe of money, mind you money appeared in the Bible first before tithe.

tpiah!

atheists, agnostics and satanists are anti-christianity itself, so, not really a convincing argument.

Tithing was a practice from Sodom and Gomorrah. The first time tithing was mentioned in the Bible was in:
1.Genesis 14:20
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

This was when Abraham was still called Abram and he was living in Sodom and Gomorrah.

The first form of giving was that the God comamnded is in:
1.Genesis 4:3
And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

Mr Bible,
the scripture you quoted showed that the pharisee tithed on all he owned too. Jesus wasn't condemning the act but its the self righteousness he was against.

You are very wrong in saying Abraham was living in Sodom and Gomorrah. Where did you read that from?
Abraham lived in the land of Canaan. Gen 13:12. It was Sodom & Gomorrah that was plundered and Lot's captivity that made Abraham go to battle.
Please live up to your (name).

You need not try hard to not tithe by quoting scriptures in (favour) of what you are against in the first place.
You simply don't believe it so move on, don't make an issue about it.

MrBible:

tpiah! Tithing was a practice from Sodom and Gomorrah. The first time tithing was mentioned in the Bible was in:
1.Genesis 14:20
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

This was when Abraham was still called Abram and he was living in Sodom and Gomorrah.

The first form of giving was that the God comamnded is in:
1.Genesis 4:3
And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

the tithe involved melchizedek, king of salem.

just wanted to make that clear.

Alwaystrue

the scripture you quoted showed that the pharisee tithed on all he owned too. Jesus wasn't condemning the act but its the self righteousness he was against.

Tithe was still practiced before the resurection.

I always hear pastors saying tithing predates the law, but it was Melchizedek king of Salem that gave Abram tithe of all. So why do they say that Abram gave tithe to Melchizedek king of Salem?

Genesis 14
18. And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

19. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

20. And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.


Correction  Abram lived in cannan.

I agree that some people might have communicated the issue of tithes wrongly through threats etc,Just like salvation could have been communicated wrongly by threats . But that doesn't take away. The blessings of paying tithes. Besides when a christian give for any reason ,he is not disadvantaged. He is blessed for every giving. It is a lie of the devil that people get impoverished by giving to God. For every giving there is blessing. Except if the giving was done through wrong motives like the Pharisees.

Here we go again!!!!!!!!!

Ymodulus:

thank u bro. these people fail to understand that tithes is there source of revenue. i just pity the dumb onces that really pay

Image123:

Sinners sef don dey bear 'bro'. na wa o

l have often wonder what somebody in the figure of Ymodulus who claims not to be a Christian could be doing in this religious section, what sense could a non-Christian contribute to Christian talk be that as it may though l have cause to believe that this Ymodulus is our BONBOI especially with his ferocious opposition of CEC

26. Matthew 23:23 (Whole Chapter)
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

If tithe was not part of the law then why did Jusus mention "weightier matters of the law" Jesus gave his life for us so we can be delivered from the law.

Tithe or no tight?

MrBible:

26. Matthew 23:23 (Whole Chapter)
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

If tithe was not part of the law then why did Jusus mention "weightier matters of the law" Jesus gave his life for us so we can be delivered from the law.

Tithing was part of the law. But it didn't originate under the mosaic law. It pre existed the law

Joagbaje:

Tithing was part of the law. But it didn't originate under the mosaic law. It pre existed the law

Sir, do you mind showing us examples from scriptures??

Mr bible,
now i wonder which bible you are talking about. It seems you are truly confused and do not know your onions.
I corrected you on an error you made which you accepted and I am correcting you again,

Abraham paid tithes to Melchisedek and not the other way round.
Confirm in Heb. 7:1-2b, 4:

1 For this Melchisedek, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 TO WHOM ALSO ABRAHAM GAVE A TENTH PART OF ALL;

4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham GAVE THE TENTH of the spoils.

Is this the very bible you coined your username from? I doubt.
(sighs)
Like was said above you are trying to hard. Don't stress yourself over something you are making lame attempts to discredit.
Peace.

Joagbaje:

Tithing was part of the law. But it didn't originate under the mosaic law. It pre existed the law

SirJohn:

Sir, do you mind showing us examples from scriptures??

Joe is right, it pre-existed the law.  In fact the first accounts of it suggests that it was a pagan practice done by the Babylonians.  Abram was a Babylonian (not quite) or rather Urr of the Chaldees was not far from babylon so would have shared many cultural similarities so Abram would probably do what was simply in his culture to do.  When he meets a king, like a good mesopotamian he will give a tenth of what he has gained to the king.

The Esretu — the standard Babylonian one-tenth tax
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Hebrew is a Semitic language, related to Akkadian, the lingua franca of that time. An Akkadian noun that Abraham was most likely familiar with given his Babylonian background was esretu, meaning "one-tenth". By the time of Abraham, this phrase was used to refer to the "one-tenth tax," or "tithe". Listed below are some specific instances of the Mesopotamian tithe, taken from The Assyrian Dictionary of the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago, Vol. 4 "E":

[Referring to a ten per cent tax levied on garments by the local ruler:] "the palace has taken eight garments as your tithe (on 85 garments)"

   "…eleven garments as tithe (on 112 garments)"
   ", (the sun-god) Shamash demands the tithe, "

   "four minas of silver, the tithe of [the gods] Bel, Nabu, and Nergal, "

   ", he has paid, in addition to the tithe for Ninurta, the tax of the gardiner"

   ", the tithe of the chief accountant, he has delivered it to [the sun-god] Shamash"

   ", why do you not pay the tithe to the Lady-of-Uruk?"

   ", (a man) owes barley and dates as balance of the tithe of the **years three and four"

   ", the tithe of the king on barley of the town, "

   ", with regard to the elders of the city whom (the king) has **summoned to (pay) tithe, "

   ", the collector of the tithe of the country Sumundar, "

   ", (the official Ebabbar in Sippar) who is in charge of the tithe, "

Because of this standard one-tenth tax in Babylon, Abraham of the Genesis account was most likely familiar with the concept of giving up ten percent of goods as tax.

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