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Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by haddeylium(m): 11:46pm On Feb 23
livingchrist:
The basic make up of man and animals body is flesh, but yet all flesh are not the same hence the basic nature of man and animal body are not the same.

1 Corinthians 15:39
All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.


Use your power of reasoning!
Paul explained that there are difference in the flesh of earthly creatures and that is Obvious. But all earthly bodies/creatures have a Nature that is Physical/Material/Visible).

They're created according to their kind in respect to their environment.

He continued in Verse 40
but the glory of the heavenly bodies(Spirit Nature) is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort(Physical Nature).

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Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by livingchrist: 5:27am On Feb 24
haddeylium:


Use your power of reasoning!
Paul explained that there are difference in the flesh of earthly creatures and that is Obvious. But all earthly bodies/creatures have a Nature (that is Physical/Material/Visible).

They're created according to their kind in respect to their environment.

He continued in Verse 40
but the glory of the heavenly bodies(Spirit Nature) is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort(Physical Nature).
what a daft comment, so because two things are physical it means they have same nature? Your daftness is out of this world

argue with jw.org

Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by livingchrist: 5:48am On Feb 24
These guys are dunder heads, undecided
For the sake of all who are reading these posts.

Definition of nature

the basic or inherent features, character, or qualities of something.

When I say the nature of man, it means the basic or inherent features or character of man.

In other words the features that make a human a human, separate from animals.
Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by livingchrist: 5:57am On Feb 24
haddeylium:


Use your power of reasoning!
Paul explained that there are difference in the flesh of earthly creatures and that is Obvious. But all earthly bodies/creatures have a Nature (that is Physical/Material/Visible).

They're created according to their kind in respect to their environment.

He continued in Verse 40
but the glory of the heavenly bodies(Spirit Nature) is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort(Physical Nature).
Let me show you how stupid your comment is

Angels are spirit, man has a spirit
Can we also say that Angelic spirit and human spirit share same nature?
Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:07am On Feb 24
The highlighted!

Man does not have spirit inside him, angels are living independent spirits. It's the breath of life that the Bible refer to as SPIRIT in man and the scriptures clearly stated that this is same with animals! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20 wink

livingchrist:

Let me show you how stupid your comment is

Angels are spirit, man has a spirit
Can we also say that Angelic spirit and human spirit share same nature?
Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by livingchrist: 8:28am On Feb 24
MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted!

Man does not have spirit inside him, angels are living independent spirits. It's the breath of life that the Bible refer to as SPIRIT in man and the scriptures clearly stated that this is same with animals! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20 wink


Job 32:8
But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

Daniel 7:15
I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.

grin
Which nature is the breathe of life, physical or spirit?
Haddeylium, janosky, maxD, dappa.
Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by DappaD: 8:39am On Feb 24
livingchrist:
what a daft comment, so because two things are physical it means they have same nature? Your daftness is out of this world
argue with jw.org

This child still does not want to learn his lesson. Okay okay, so let’s agree that man and animals have different nature although being flesh, does man have conversations with animals the same way God communicates and has conversations with his angels?
1Kings 22:19-22
That’s when you’ll understand that God and the angels have the same nature but man and animals do not in that sense. Again, the meaning of “nature” has been explained thoroughly.

Can I ask you one question though, will those anointed Christians at 2Peter 1:4 REALLY become sharers in divine nature? As in will they have the same nature as God? I want to check something.
Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by DappaD: 9:02am On Feb 24
livingchrist:


Job 32:8
But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
Daniel 7:15
I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
grin
Which nature is the breathe of life, physical or spirit?
Haddeylium, janosky, maxD, dappa.



There are up to six meanings of the word “spirit”[Hebrew: ruach, Greek: pneuma]in the Scriptures. It can mean the breath of life(Genesis 2:7, Ecclesiastes 12:7), Spirit beings(John 4:24, Psalm 104:4), God’s active force(Psalm 33:6), wind(Ecclesiastes 1:6) and the mental/heart disposition of a person. John 13:21

Job 32:8a suggests that man was built with a force(breath of life) that enables him to live, Job 32:8b suggests the work of God’s holy spirit on humans. John 14:26, 2Peter 1:20-21


While Daniel 7:15 which you quoted fittingly describes the mental disposition/inclination of a person.

Take note of Exodus 35:21a:
And they came,every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing,
Notice that “heart” and “spirit” occur as synonyms so it simply means that the Israelites whose hearts inclined to contribute, did so. It has nothing to do with an inherent spirit person in man after all the makeup of all humans is listed at Genesis 2:7.
Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:06am On Feb 24
livingchrist:

Job 32:8
But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

Job 14:13-15 KJV
(13) Oh that thou would hide me in the grave, that thou would keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou would appoint me a set time and remember me. (14) if a man die, shall he live again? All the days of my appointed time will i wait till my change come. (15) Thou shall call and i will answer thee, thou wilt have a desire for the work of thine hands

So where will that SPIRIT be until Job is REMEMBERED in the GRAVE? cheesy


Daniel 7:15
I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
grin
Which nature is the breathe of life, physical or spirit?
Haddeylium, janosky, maxD, dappa.

Humans always loose strength to move on when they are grieved!
Does that implies there is another separate being living in them? cheesy
Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by livingchrist: 9:18am On Feb 24
DappaD:


This child still does not want to learn his lesson. Okay okay, so let’s agree that man and animals have different nature although being flesh, does man have conversations with animals the same way God communicates and has conversations with his angels?
1Kings 22:19-22
That’s when you’ll understand that God and the angels have the same nature but man and animals do not in that sense. Again, the meaning of “nature” has been explained thoroughly.

Can I ask you one question though, will those anointed Christians at 2Peter 1:4 REALLY become sharers in divine nature? As in will they have the same nature as God? I want to check something.



What he said about 'nature' is crap, the reason because he clearly defined nature as the character that is inherent in a thing or person.
He quoted where paul said he is a jew by nature and explained rubbish.

He forgot in the forgot that in greek nature is also used to describe ones origin or birth which makes sense because every person from the same birth origin has same nature.
Everyone has a common ancestor Adam so every man has same nature, again all jews are from same ancestor Jacob so all jews has same nature.
But man and Animals do not have same origin and so do not have same nature neither man and angels.

So the original definition of nature is preserved in both case.

Meet Haddeylium to give you the dictionary meaning of nature come back and read your post if it make sense.
Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by livingchrist: 9:23am On Feb 24
MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted!

Man does not have spirit inside him, angels are living independent spirits. It's the breath of life that the Bible refer to as SPIRIT in man and the scriptures clearly stated that this is same with animals! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20 wink


So the spirit within man is what?
There is a Spirit in man according to job.

Job 32:8
But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.


1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by livingchrist: 9:34am On Feb 24
DappaD:



There are up to six meanings of the word “spirit”[Hebrew: ruach, Greek: pneuma]in the Scriptures. It can mean the breath of life(Genesis 2:7, Ecclesiastes 12:7), Spirit beings(John 4:24, Psalm 104:4), God’s active force(Psalm 33:6), wind(Ecclesiastes 1:6) and the mental/heart disposition of a person. John 13:21

Job 32:8a suggests that man was built with a force(breath of life) that enables him to live, Job 32:8b suggests the work of God’s holy spirit on humans. John 14:26, 2Peter 1:20-21


While Daniel 7:15 which you quoted fittingly describes the mental disposition/inclination of a person.

Take note of Exodus 35:21a:
And they came,every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing,
Notice that “heart” and “spirit” occur as synonyms so it simply means that the Israelites whose hearts inclined to contribute, did so. It has nothing to do with an inherent spirit person in man after all the makeup of all humans is listed at Genesis 2:7.
Is the heart a Spirit? No
The reason Exodus uses heart and then Spirit is because the the spirit controls theSpirit. If ones heart accept it means ones Spirit accept that is again because the spirit controls the heart.
So daniel meant his spirit was in the midst of his body.
Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by DappaD: 9:49am On Feb 24
livingchrist:

Is the heart a Spirit?

No
The reason Exodus uses heart and then Spirit is because the the spirit controls theSpirit. If ones heart accept it means ones Spirit accept that is again because the spirit controls the heart.
So daniel meant his spirit was in the midst of his body.


The bolded is what I’m meant to be asking you because if the spirit is a person in man, definitely the heart is also a person. Exodus 35:21
No be so again?

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Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by DappaD: 10:09am On Feb 24
livingchrist:

What he said about 'nature' is crap, the reason because he clearly defined nature as the character that is inherent in a thing or person.
He quoted where paul said he is a jew by nature and explained rubbish.
He forgot in the forgot that in greek nature is also used to describe ones origin or birth which makes sense because every person from the same birth origin has same nature.
Everyone has a common ancestor Adam so every man has same nature, again all jews are from same ancestor Jacob so all jews has same nature.

See, you do not just open up a thread like this hoping for Jehovah’s Witnesses to comment by asking several questions but when they ask you auxiliary questions you pretend as if you’re blind.

When you browsed the meaning of “nature”, how many definitions did you see pop up? Why are you holding on to only one of the meanings and leaving the others? Haddeylium’s logic is totally feasible, it’s just a sorry sight for you to see that the water you’re looking for is only found in the wells and streams of Jehovah’s people.
Isaiah 55:1, Revelation 22:17
Meanwhile you want to remain thirsty because of arrogance, it’s totally fine and understandable. Luke 16:24


But man and Animals do not have same origin and so do not have same nature neither man and angels.
So the original definition of nature is preserved in both case.
Meet Haddeylium to give you the dictionary meaning of nature come back and read your post if it make sense.

According to Ecclesiastes 3:20, man and animals have the same origin—from dust—except you’ve removed the book of Ecclesiastes then I can understand. But animals are not intelligent creatures like man and so they cannot converse with humans. Genesis 1:26

The angels(sons of God) are far more intelligent creatures than man and they were made in God’s image. Psalm 104:4
Just as you and your son who has the same nature(in physical body, mental abilities/qualities etc) can have conversations together, it’s same way Jehovah holds meetings and conversations with his Sons whom share the same nature with him(as Spirit beings, mental abilities/qualities etc)
1Kings 22:19-22, Job 1:6

So can you PLEASE address my own questions now? Except you’re too scared to attempt the question?

DappaD:


Can I ask you one question though, will those anointed Christians at 2Peter 1:4 REALLY become sharers in divine nature? As in will they have the same nature as God? I want to check something.

Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by DappaD: 10:43am On Feb 24
@OP has been pasting and quoting the definition of “nature” given by one of our publications, Insight On the Scriptures but for some reason, he has been omitting the beginning part which states that:

“1.The basic makeup or constitution of something. 2. It can refer to what a person is by birth, 3.also to hereditary qualities along with general practice.”
Here are the three definitions that the OP has been trying to omit from the publication he posted.

The angels meet up all the three conditions
(1. John 4:24 Psalm 104:4,
2. Job 38:7,Colossians 1:16,
3. Psalm 24:8,Psalm 103:20,2Peter 2:11) so please OP can you explain how angels do NOT share the nature of God after meeting up all the three requirements?
Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:51am On Feb 24
The highlighted connotes intelligence!
Man keeps improving in what we do like food, clothing, shelter, transportation, information, technology and so on.
These is what makes man superior to animals apart from that both man and animals have the same SPIRIT {Ecclesiastes 3:19-20} at death all fleshy creatures are equal {Ecclesiastes 9:4} the only hope for reviving the dead body lies in the hands of the one who gave us the breath of life (GOD)! Ecclesiastes 12:7

Nollywood movies are just the imagination of mere mortals like you, God said the dead are not conscious at all {Ecclesiastes 9:5-6} that's why Job said God will remember all his good works and call him out of the grave {Job 14:13-15} because at death Job becomes unconscious until the day of resurrection! John 5:28-29

So don't think something like a spirit survive us at death that's a lie from Satan the devil! Genesis 2:17 compare to Genesis 3:3-4 smiley


livingchrist:

So the spirit within man is what?
There is a Spirit in man according to job.

Job 32:8
But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.


1 Corinthians 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.


Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by livingchrist: 10:58am On Feb 24
DappaD:


See, you do not just open up a thread like this hoping for Jehovah’s Witnesses to comment by asking several questions but when they ask you auxiliary questions you pretend as if you’re blind.

When you browsed the meaning of “nature”, how many definitions did you see pop up? Why are you holding on to only one of the meanings and leaving the others? Haddeylium’s logic is totally feasible, it’s just a sorry sight for you to see that the water you’re looking for is only found in the wells and streams of Jehovah’s people.
Isaiah 55:1, Revelation 22:17
Meanwhile you want to remain thirsty because of arrogance, it’s totally fine and understandable. Luke 16:24



According to Ecclesiastes 3:20, man and animals have the same origin—from dust—except you’ve removed the book of Ecclesiastes then I can understand. But animals are not intelligent creatures like man and so they cannot converse with humans. Genesis 1:26

The angels(sons of God) are far intelligent creatures than man and they were made in God’s image. Psalm 104:4
Just as you and your son who has the same nature(in physical body, mental abilities/qualities etc) can have conversations together, it’s same way Jehovah holds meetings and conversations with his Sons whom share the same nature with him(as Spirit beings, mental abilities/qualities etc)
1Kings 22:19-22, Job 1:6

So can you PLEASE address my own questions now? Except you’re too scared to attempt the question?




You are confused,
See screenshot.
What are the definitions of nature?
Jw.org says one thing you said another. Lol so much for one line of thought

Your organisation said animal and man do not have same nature.

Yes man and animal were made from dust but not the same dust, but do not originate from same dust.

Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by DappaD: 11:12am On Feb 24
livingchrist:

You are confused,
See screenshot.
What are the definitions of nature?
Jw.org says one thing you said another. Lol so much for one line of thought
Your organisation said animal and man do not have same nature.
Yes man and animal were made from dust but not the same dust, but do not originate from same dust.


So why did you not screenshot the beginning where “nature” was defined in three respects? Man and animals share the first one and are composed of dust but do man and animals share the third condition? I thought you were going to quote another source yet it is our own publication you are still posting meanwhile you dubiously omitted the beginning part of the page.

My own question has gone unanswered for a long time now:

DappaD:

Can I ask you one question though, will those anointed Christians at 2Peter 1:4 REALLY become sharers in divine nature? As in will they have the same nature as God? I want to check something.

OP I’m not your stooge that you can fire all sorts of questions then remain mute when a question is thrown at you. So if you cannot answer the above question, then keep me out of your mentions.
Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by haddeylium(m): 3:02pm On Feb 24
livingchrist:

You are confused,
See screenshot.
What are the definitions of nature?
Jw.org says one thing you said another. Lol so much for one line of thought
Your organisation said animal and man do not have same nature.
Yes man and animal were made from dust but not the same dust, but do not originate from same dust.

I wanted to start quoting you accordingly but I found out you've been schooled thoroughly.
Now, you'll trend cautiously I'm the future.
These are knowledge you can't get anywhere else.

I told in the beginning of these thread that the World Nature is Polysemic but you turned a blind eyes to continue your baseless argument buy dishonestly cropping out the part that discussed it from our publication. Clown..I know..

1. Nature Meaning 1.
I told you explicitly that this part includes Just two.

The physical Nature(Visible/Material) and it comprises of all earthly creatures. They're on nature, They're made from dust, You can touch and see them ..
The Spirit Nature'; (Invisible/Immaterial) and it comprises if heavenly creatures that are spirit. i.e
All these groups share the same nature in this regards

2. Nature Meaning 2.
This part show difference in the species of God' creation.
In this part, the Nature' in varieties of God's creatures differs.
The Nature of Goat is different from Cat or Bird also with Human. (1 Cor 15:39)

3. Nature Meaning 3
This part refers to what a person is by Birth
Jews by nature(Birth) Gal 2:15
A Nigerian born has a different nature to a Kenyan born .
You cannot claim to be Jewish by nature ...can you?

4. The last one which is Nature in regards to Qualities, Attribute, Reasoning[b] which DappaD has discussed in details with you.

I focused my explanation on meaning one and hit a deadend with it. Nice.


You're welcome
Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by haddeylium(m): 3:34pm On Feb 24
DappaD:

Can I ask you one question though, will those anointed Christians at 2Peter 1:4 REALLY become sharers in divine nature? As in will they have the same nature as God? I want to check something.

Anytime he dodged this part of the scripture, I can't help it but laugh.
Please DappaD stop tormenting him with that verse grin. the holy spirit is yet to reveal the meaning of that part to him cheesy
Honestly, this clown do not merit any answers. He's just in opportunity of the honesthearted person following the thread from misunderstanding. His delusion state should be the payment for his ignorance and dishonesty

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Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by livingchrist: 3:43pm On Feb 24
haddeylium:


I wanted to start quoting you accordingly but I found out you've been schooled thoroughly.
Now, you'll trend cautiously I'm the future.
These are knowledge you can't get anywhere else.

I told in the beginning of these thread that the World Nature is Polysemic but you turned a blind eyes to continue your baseless argument buy dishonestly cropping out the part that discussed it from our publication. Clown..I know..

1. Nature Meaning 1.
I told you explicitly that this part includes Just two.

The physical Nature(Visible/Material) and it comprises of all earthly creatures. They're on nature, They're made from dust, You can touch and see them ..
The Spirit Nature'; (Invisible/Immaterial) and it comprises if heavenly creatures that are spirit. i.e
All these groups share the same nature in this regards

2. Nature Meaning 2.
This part show difference in the species of God' creation.
In this part, the Nature' in varieties of God's creatures differs.
The Nature of Goat is different from Cat or Bird also with Human. (1 Cor 15:39)

3. Nature Meaning 3
This part refers to what a person is by Birth
Jews by nature(Birth) Gal 2:15
A Nigerian born has a different nature to a Kenyan born .
You cannot claim to be Jewish by nature ...can you?

4. The last one which is Nature in regards to Qualities, Attribute, Reasoning[b] which DappaD has discussed in details with you.

I focused my explanation on meaning one and hit a deadend with it. Nice.


You're welcome

If you read the beginning of this thread, the context of using the word 'nature' was specific to either man, Angel's or God.
your definition 2 has disgraced you already (i.e if you can blush).
The nature of man as against animal is diferent
Lol Dont also forget man has a spirit, so man himself is both Spirit and natural.

You are completely off,

OP is talking about the essential nature of a being that makes it what it is.

For example the nature of man that makes him a man diferent from animals.
I have schooled you enough.
Re: Jehovah Witness Lie That Angels Possesses Same Nature As God Exposed. by livingchrist: 3:48pm On Feb 24
Two confused fellows
haddeylium:


Anytime he dodged this part of the scripture, I can't help it but laugh.
Please DappaD stop tormenting him with that verse grin. the holy spirit is yet to reveal the meaning of that part to him cheesy
Honestly, this clown do not merit any answers. He's just in opportunity of the honesthearted person following the thread from misunderstanding. His delusion state should be the payment for his ignorance and dishonesty

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