360command:
Nigeria ... some of all this things are not much of an issue in the western nations..all this gas flaring, oil disposals have all been tackled well by various authorities.

We need a government that can check all this refineries on how they dispose their waste.

In the western nation, you don't dump oil on the ground. The oil is conveyed in a tanker and then dumped 10,000feet into the ground.

I do not know how we dispose oil in Nigeria but I will like someone to educate me.

Abudu2000:
an employee will have no problem paying 5m per annum to live and work there tho, your conclusion isn't accurate.

franchasng:
Very interesting topic going on here.

You know, many people think Americans and Europeans are mad when they started abandoning their light industries and started moving productions to Asia, mostly China.


They were doing it to save their dying environment being polluted by several industrial productions. China being a country that doesn't care about environmental hazard, accepted those industries some decades ago and today environmental pollution is killing China that some weeks, you can hardly see beyond 1 meter in Beijing and Shanghai.


The refinery will definitely have serious negative impact on Lagos state environment of course. But the leadership of Lagos state is more concerned with the revenue it would generate for them in terms of tax returns and all other direct and indirect levies.


This is the same mistake Nigerian leaders made with allowing only Lagos seaports to function optimally thinking they were shortchanging some sections of the country but today, Apapa is a no go area. The whole area is messed up that people are relocating from Apapa unlike before that Apapa was among the glories of Lagos.



Same thing will happen in Ibeju Lekki with this Dangote refinery.


Dangote is a black man not even a Whiteman. Whitemen couldn't manage the adverse effects of heavy industries in their region talk more of a monopolistic black business man like Aliko Dangote.


This made me to put my land at Ibeju Lekki for sale even though many people project that it would be the next Banana Island in terms of real estate appreciation, but I pity those planning to go and live there with their family members.


The reason we have cancer and several unprintable terminal diseases in the Western countries is as a result of heavy industrialization which they are seriously campaigning for collaboration to save the earth through climate change initiatives people like Prince Charles the waiting King of England have been busy campaigning for along with US President Joe Biden and many other world leaders.


The only thing saving the western countries from the serious adverse effects of these heavy industries is their wonderful Healthcare system which Nigeria don't have.


Such project ought to have been sited in a thick forest with lots of trees and nearby sea/ocean to cushion the pollution.


I developed some breathing related issues after living in some heavily industrialized cities in Asia, and I am still struggling with it. So I pity those living around the refinery when it will start full operation.


Cc: bluesparks

Abudu2000:
if something as small as a GSM mast can devalue the lands around it then how much more a refinery.however sometimes what the govt do id weigh the pros and cons. Fertilizers are not too good for human health fine but with the increasing world population how can we cope without it? Same it this here, the refinery with definitely boost the economy so if a few black clouds and some fishes going belly up will be the sacrifice then so be it

BlueSparks:



Indeed. Please all the heavy industries polluting the world over where such assessment tests not done. I'm close to a Chinese production company, come and see the entire Rivers and streams around if it isn't dead


Don't bother quoting me since you can't interact reasonably. Full

sukieboy:


Na English and latent greed go kee Yoruba people. Do you know that almost everything produced in the petrochem train is poisonous? The best would have been up close to Ondo and Edo state. You can be stupid to say liquid cannot spilt, it will ofcourse, the question is containing it's spread. Anyway, when you guys see the environmental issues and banks start leaving Lagos for Ibadan you will be the same fellow that would claim you never supported it.

I have seen as almost everyone in Lagos denied voting for Buhari in 2015 because the sai Baba project failed. Buhari did not die , so they are ashamed and secretly angry that he refused to die like Yardua. Same way the will deny all the so called research on this and that.

Lagos is not a good site but dangote wanted it so he can get the deepest port in West Africa and he has got it without you guys knowing. 36feet of dredge. After Una go say Hausa be mumu. Who come mumu pass ?

Rapture4real:
My experience in Rivers State makes me to agree with the op.Gas and oil production has its negative impacts on human and environmental aspects of life. Our leaders know that Nigerians are used to suffering. So they will look the other side as long as they collect money from the company.

BlueSparks:
I've maintained that many heavy industry across the world are built in forests. While it is good in many areas, I believe it would have been better in forests like in Ijebu area. As the presence will lead to a surge in productivity in such areas.


Although, it may be connected to a railway grid, or ferried through the Atlantic, there's going to be massive shakings in that entire part of Lagos when it starts. Lagos FTZ is bound to benefit, and Lagos generally. But who knows. There's plenty of advantages and disadvantages. It's better we watch

We don't still know the impact of that refinery on the environment and human lives in the area. I'm paying keen attention to this in the first 5 years of its operation to see how it goes.


More Wins to him, more Wins to Lagos

thebosstrevor1:


The refinery will boast the revenue of the state and also destroy the health of populance of the state.

People with cancer, asthma will increase, infact the con is more than the pro.

BlueSparks:



2 refineries that follows the ranks of Dangote are earmarked to be situated in forests.

CaptainFM1:


You still don't understand this?
Every single project will have different EIA. It doesn't mean they are right or Dangote was wrong. Every single project will be separately analysed. No basis for comparison.
I've been to several developed countries and so many major industries are cited in the cities including refineries.

Abudu2000:
either way ppl are still gonna die. We have just 2 refineries and ppl are still dying daily meanwhile the USA has more than 10 and they are doing just fine man so the pros outweighs the cons. At least our chemical engineering graduates looking for jobs will reduce a bit plus more foreign investments to boost the already dead economy so if a few has to die for the greater good then so be it.

Abudu2000:
either way ppl are still gonna die. We have just 2 refineries and ppl are still dying daily meanwhile the USA has more than 10 and they are doing just fine man so the pros outweighs the cons. At least our chemical engineering graduates looking for jobs will reduce a bit plus more foreign investments to boost the already dead economy so if a few has to die for the greater good then so be it.

Misterone:
an idiot is always an idiot anywhere. if the community has taken bribe to allow a Chinese company to pollute their environment for peanuts then whose concern is it? An EIA is a legal document. it binds the community and the Investor on environmental issues. therefore if the community want to chop kobo kobo at the expense of their future wetin concern agbero with overload.

BlueSparks:



Capacity in question capacity. 65000 bpd is different from 650000bpd

Never said industries can't be in cities as many industries are in cities globally. But, extremely heavy scale 650bpd. I also expressed myself with 50% cyance of being wrong

However perfect it's operational systems are,there will be bcklash and you should agree with me Sir.

bayelsaowei:
you do know flaring was inevitable as a result of our own government who wasn't ready to develop our domestic gas market and invest in massive gas infrastructures. Some of the chaos you see in the niger delta and its environs are most times perpetuated by the locals who bunker crude from oil lines. Ofcourse EIA can't cover for that...

Bottom line is if a company like shell plans to construct any pipeline or build a facility work can't commence until an EIA study is carried out and an approval secured from DPR and FMENV. But for dangote who owns the country I doubt if any mumu dpr can stop him.

CaptainFM1:


I have explained a bit about risk management to you. Scale or miniature.....it's all about risk management. Risk management is a full blown course on its own if you would like to take, you will appreciate better.

SavageResponse:


Stop talking rubbish it does not make economic sense to build an undersea pipeline from Nigeria to Europe.

Most countries in Europe are even phasing out fossil fuel powered cars and moving to electric vehicle therefore this project makes no sense!

BlueSparks:



I can bet my coin on it that as long as Nigeria is concerned that's nothing like EIA. If EIA is considered realistically as we assume no abbatoirs in Nigeria will still be open.

I speak realistically. All abbatoirs I've seen in my life in this country, if not God has so much bastardized all the water bodies around it in a way that it's only God that has/is preventing breakout of epidemic. From Kara to Cele Ijesha to Oko Oba etc. I've never seen EIA swung into action in any industrial activity if not what's happening in Niger Delta won't be happening


I stay close to a Chinese firm. It you see the hundreds of thousands of chemicals pumped into the water bodies you will fear. Why has any government organization not closed them. An entire large water body miles afar off is smelling badly from these chemicals.

Evolutionlove:


This Is a waste of time comrade
A large percentage of Nigerian Citizens are Greedy, Ignorant, Myopic, Negligent and Nonchalant. What If I tell you more than 50% of her population doesn't even know exactly what Is going on, They are primarily concerned about Feeding, Shelter, Gossiping, And most Importantly PROCREATION. Is that a country you are advising??

Iamdemola1:


You have spoken quite well but I want to allay your fears a little.
1. The refinery has a massive design and it's also a Petrochemical company. In other words, the refinery also has a Petrochemical plant that ensures all parts of crude is used in producing other substances so no disposal of crude waste as such

2. There are cooling towers for extracting heat and recycling it for usage. No spillage or very minimal spillage of heat

BlueSparks:



How old were you 2003. What age did you begin to become aware of societal issues. Would you get the fvck outta my mention. You swine

SavageResponse:


So you think everyone here is ignorant and you can bamboozle us with your nonsense.

Building a pipeline from Nigeria to Europe is the most ridiculous thing I have heard this year, Nigeria's entire annual budget would not even be enough to finance that project.

I challenge you to publish a signed document that lays credence to that project such as the Final Investment Decision (FID) and I will pay you $1,000 now

BlueSparks:




Smiles


Atypical. Black race and the argument from emotions rather than actual events.


Anyways,since you assume I'm broke. I take up the challenge but give you back $960. Spend $40 look for a project research assistant on the forum. Pay whomever suits your desireability $40 to do the digging for you,in a week you'll have your reply. If I'm not correct,I owe you 100,000 Naira


You have a week. Your time starts now.

SavageResponse:


Provide documentary proof of your nonsensical claim and I will pay you $5,000 now, no questions asked

BlueSparks:



My dear, I thought you were wise. Give that audio $5000 of yours to your mum.

If you have $5000 to wager on your assumptions in life you'll hand it to a third party then, you'll be considered serious.

I give you $1 billion dollars to also prove that I'm wrong. Let's see if you're the only crazy fella around that can spin up numbers


Get the fvck of my mentions dwib

Daddysidhan:
calling your fellow anti Western Nigerian ass-holes to come and share their one sided views on a win win investment for Lagos and lagosians as a whole.