Janosky:


Bros, continue shake your head, LYING and DECEIVING yourself.

These screenshots were your posts at 8:34am, continue to shake your head, Mr LIENUS DECEIVING himself.

achorladey:


The first line is why they will keep SHUNNING those that do not sin.

Janosky:

Bros , place that bracket sign ( ) where you put am before in your previous post
Just continue DECEIVING yourself.

KNOWMORE56:

Then you guys should stop dragging the Bible into mess...You encourage yourselves that the rapists are going to change during and after Armageddon.Why do you think other people you are shunning are not going to change?

KNOWMORE56:

[b][/b]"....SHUN those that goes contrary to our standard.."[b][/b]Your standards go against God standards in the sense that God wants you to shun anyone who is called a brother but he's a fornicator, a rob, a cheat, busybody, etc*. 1 Corinthians 5:11 "KJV:But now I have written unto you NOT TO KEEP COMPANY, IF ANY MAN THAT IS CALLED A BROTHER BE A FORNICATOR, or COVETOUS, or AN IDOLATOR, or A RAILER, or A DRUNKARD, or AN EXTORTIONER; with such an one no not to eat."No wonder your organization hardly talk about HOLINESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS...You can see why I said t Word is in your hand and in your head but Watch tower is in your Heart...Your heart is very important...give your heart to Jesus!*. Proverbs 4:4 "KJV:He taught me also, and said unto me, LET THINE HEART RETAIN MY WORDS: keep my commandments, and live."*. Proverbs 4:23 "KJV:Keep THY HEART WITH ALL DILIGENCE; for out of it are the issues of life."Proverbs 23:26 "KJV: MY SON, GIVE ME THINE HEART, and let thine eyes observe my ways."JESUS is calling you saying MY SON, GIVE ME THINE HEART...

achorladey:


The first line is why they will keep SHUNNING those that do not sin.

Janosky:

Bros, your claims are very DUBIOUS.

Janosky:

Bros, your claims are very DUBIOUS.

MaxInDHouse:
That's the spirit of deception nah!

Try to correlate the two statement and ask any intellectual if it's coming from the same spirit sincerely speaking!

"TRUST me, I can VOUCH for MANY of my JW friends to be more honest and moral than my non JW friends" ~ nnamdiosu

"But they (JW friends) can be moral and good by the day, but drink blood at night" ~ nnamdiosu

We can understand because a spirit spoke through Peter and Jesus commended him {Matthew 16:16-19} but after few minutes Jesus said something and ANOTHER spirit spoke through the same Peter! Matthew 16:21-2
So don't worry my guy JWs can understand what happened to our friend (nnamdiosu)

achorladey:


Who added the brackets?

Those you call in your previous post will come and see this. You will see real meaning of DUBIOUS when they attend to it.

KNOWMORE56:
"You don’t realise you’re in a cult until something in your head clicks,...."

KNOWMORE56:


Lol the game that guy always play is to quickly call others what they should have called him.

For instance, if he deceived himself he'll quickly tell the other person BE DECEIVING YOURSELF, etc

KNOWMORE56:


You know them inside out. It's now I understand what you mean... lol
[/b]"SHUNNING those that do not sin."[b]

Probably some of these NL GB are enjoying this [i][/i] [/color] embarrassed those that sin but shun anyone who does not sin[color=#990000]

BigCabal:
In the beginning, it all seemed pretty normal. Not celebrating birthdays, not associating with people who weren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW). I mean, I was born into it. Everyone we knew was a Witness, and we were discouraged from making friends with non-JWs. We were divine people and anyone who wasn’t one of us was regarded as the spawn of Satan. As a child, it all felt pretty normal. I felt quite special because everything we did was different. We were Jehovah’s people after all.

I loved being a Witness, but I disagreed with some of the doctrines, like the order not to celebrate birthdays. I wished I could celebrate my birthday with my friends, have food and drinks and be the centre of attention, but I never had that. I pegged it up to being persecuted for righteousness’ sake. JWs have a kink where they enjoy being punished for their faith. I was punished every single day in school for not singing the national anthem because we’re not allowed to. I wasn’t mad or upset about it. On Sunday, during field service, all my JW friends would brag to each other about how we stood up to our teachers, how we stayed faithful to Jehovah and never caved.

You don’t realise you’re in a cult until something in your head clicks, and it didn’t click in mine until I was a teenager. The congregation was anti-secular education. There were plenty of publications, articles and letters, talks at the Kingdom Hall discouraging people from going to school. Universities were painted as some kind of corrupt cesspool where members go to lose their faith. We were told about how when God’s Kingdom comes, you were not going to need your degree in medicine or psychology or whatever you wanted to study because God’s Kingdom would be a perfect world, so there was no reason to go to school. Many Nigerian schools, for some bizarre reason, request a reference letter from your place of worship or a civil servant as a condition for admission. My brother, who was the most devout member, needed that letter, but the organisation treated him like a criminal. They had several meetings and tried to discourage my father not to let him go.

Watching him get treated that way lit the fire of doubt inside me. There was no indication that he would go to school and lose his faith, so why should he be treated like that? On the outside, I was still quite the fanatic, but on the inside, my mind was awash with doubt. I thought: if this doctrine is suspect, what else are we being brainwashed with? Why were they scared of enlightenment? If people went to school and lost their faith, then wasn’t the problem the faith and not the school?

This crack of doubt spread when I recalled cases of sexual abuse against JW children. In all of those cases, the matters were covered up and the perpetrator unpunished, thanks to yet another questionable JW doctrine — matters between Jehovah’s Witnesses must always be settled in-house.

Members were not allowed to report crimes or issues between members to the police. When I was young, a devout member sexually abused a child. I remember how it was covered up. Nobody reported to the police. Another time, a man embezzled another Witness’ money in his company. It was a lot of money, but because they were both witnesses, it was never reported, and he never got his money back. I didn’t think much of all this then, but it began to make sense.

My experience with sexism in the organisation also fuelled my doubt. An elder told us that it was impossible for a woman to give a public talk. One time, a woman mentioned that she had attended a remote women-only congregation where the speaker was a woman, the elder was adamant: if there were no men, that congregation should not exist. Women could only speak while sitting and with their hair covered. I thought, “Women dedicate their entire lives to the organisation and get nothing in return, not even the right to speak?” It didn’t make sense to me, but we accepted it because it was a “directive from Jehovah”.

My doubt finally made me search for ex-JWs content on Google to read the experiences of people who had left the organisation. There was this video of a woman who organised a flash mob in a Kingdom Hall in the United States to protest the cover-up of her rape as a child. It hit me. I couldn’t believe the organisation that nurtured me was capable of such evil. I did more digging and found more people who had been treated so poorly by the organisation. I never dug too deep because I always felt guilty reading on the experiences of ex-JW members, I had to do it secretly and even clear my browser history because I didn’t want my parents finding that on my phone.

I got into university in 2016. When I resumed, I discovered that there was a JW congregation in the university. I began to wonder why we were discouraged from going to school when there was a university JW community. Suddenly, it clicked. We were taught from a young age not to question anything. Whatever happens, Jehovah is the answer. If it’s bad, Jehovah let it happen to teach us a lesson. I recollected all the times the organisation covered up scary crimes. For the first time, I was not under the protection of my family, and when I started interacting with other JWs by myself, I started to see how toxic it all really was — the politics, gossip, shaming, misogyny — it just didn’t feel right.

But I still stayed. I had no choice. I was young and dependent on my parents.

All those little things built up incrementally. My classes clashed with meeting times, and I started going from attending meetings regularly to going once or twice a week to once a month. I was treated like scum for missing those meetings. It felt like I was trying to leave a controlling person who was trying so hard to hold on to me. I got calls and messages disguised as feigned concern for me. It was wrapped in, “We’re calling because we love you and care about you,” but I could always feel the passive aggression. I felt even less connected to them and stopped attending meetings completely.

It is rare for someone to actually leave the congregation. In my 18 years in the organisation, I only saw one person denounce the faith and all its doctrine.

Continue: https://www.zikoko.com/life/why-i-stopped-being-a-jehovahs-witness-after-19-years/

joyandfaith:


Point of correction
1. Women can teach and pray in only female congregation.
2. There is no rule that say don't send your children to universities. University education is allowed.
3. All criminal cases should be reported. Elders would even inform the victims that they can take legal action if they wish.

achorladey:


They revel in shunning those that do not sin. Yes GB NL branch do enjoy doing it alot.

2 Thess 3:6 , Bros, your Bible says Jesus commanded shunning, Achorladey , Emusan & KNOWMORE56 says Jesus is in a cult, shunning is hatred"
These individuals go tell you say them know Jesus

KNOWMORE56:


Can you please point out one of the points the Op raised that doesn't exist in the organization.

One of the points that caught my attention: [/b]"You don’t realise you’re in a cult until something in your head clicks..."[b]

At the beginning of 3rd paragraph
[i][/i]


How about the below found at the beginning of the 3rd paragraph:

[/b]"You don’t realise you’re in a cult until something in your head clicks,...."[b]

KNOWMORE56:


Thanks be to God for your freedom.
They carry fake smile up and down to deceive people....

They won't shun child rapists but will shun the person who demand for justice..

MaxInDHouse:
Majority following Jesus in the first century don't realise what they're into until something in their heads clicks! John 6:61-66
Perhaps any layman could hear Jesus' statement and will not attribute what he was saying to Cultism!
No wonder most religionsts of his time concluded Jesus was the head of a cult therefore any group that truly belongs to him will also be labeled a cult group as well! Matthew 10:25

KNOWMORE56:

".[/b]..Jesus in the first century...."[b]
Which Jesus are you talking about? The one found in the Word and revealed to the whole world or the one hiding in the watch tower reveal only to the 8 men?The one in the Word said to His disciples 'don't hate those who are not among us'While the one hiding in Watch tower is saying that whoever is not a JW is an enemy.
*. Mark 9:38 "KJV:And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and WE FORBAD HIM, BECAUSE HE FOLLOWETH NOT US.39KJV: BUT JESUS SAID, FORBID HIM NOT: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me."
note: the only sin of the man is BECAUSE HE FOLLOWETH NOT US.The man was able to cast out devil in the name of Jesus ( mark 9:38), which themselves were not able to do (Matthew 17:19)...Yet they are the ones who are finding fault... not that he committed any known sin but BECAUSE HE FOLLOWETH NOT US.Max, come out of this organization for your good... no talk sey I no tell you o!

MaxInDHouse:
So the only problem you're having with JWs is because we separated ourselves from the rest of you shey? Revelations 18:4
Why not try to be consistent with that instead of arguing blindly on scriptures that you can't even substantiate with efficacy?

For your information, the Apostles were jealous of the disciple who is not following them PHYSICALLY but SPIRITUALLY speaking is with them, because that disciple will PREACH and TEACH exactly what Jesus taught which the Apostles also PREACHED and go about TEACHING. That's what Jesus meant by saying the man is with them not against them!

Our preaching and teaching totally contradicts yours, we teach that God's kingdom is coming here {Matthew 6:10} you people are saying God will destroy the earth. Psalms 24:1-2, 104:5; Ecclesiastes 1:4
We teach that immortality is a gift only for the good {Romans 6:23} but you people are saying evildoers will also exist forever (under excruciating pains) for sins they committed within less than 100 years. Jeremiah 7:31, 19:5
We teach that Christians must not carry weapons for any reason whatsoever {Matthew 26:52} but you people believe in settling issues with killing of your enemies! Matthew 5:43-48
We teach that Christians must visit their neighbours to know about their wellbeing and if possible share the message of hope {Matthew 10:11-13} while you people only stand in the corner of the streets and buses disturbing pedestrians with you noise and cursing them that they will be tormented in HellFire for not believing what you believe! Matthew 12:19
We teach that marriage should be between two persons having the same line of thought (belief) {1Corinthians 7:39} you people can marry anything thinking you will change them! Proverbs 3:5-6
We teach that Christians ought to relate as brothers and sisters globally {John 13:34-35} but you people only relate with people you can see even when a person attends the same Church once you're far away there is nothing like love again you can kill your so called brethren in the face of politics and racism! Revelations 6:3-4
We teach that people ought to remain obedient to the authorities {Romans 13:1-2} you people organise protests against the government!
So in what way are you people with us?

Janosky:

Achorladey were you excommunicated from Jehovah's organization & did not sin?

2 Thessalonians 3:6 and Hebrews 12:5-7 is missing in your Bible?

2 Thess 3:6
"Now we command you, believers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and by His authority, that you withdraw and keep away from every brother or sister who leads an undisciplined life and does not live in accordance with the tradition and teaching that you have received from us."
2 Thess 3:6 , Bros, your Bible says Jesus commanded shunning, Achorladey , Emusan & KNOWMORE56 says Jesus is in a cult, shunning is hatred"
These individuals go tell you say them know Jesus

Hebrew 12:5-7
"5And you have entirely forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons: “My son, do not belittle the discipline from Jehovah,* nor give up when you are corrected by him; 6 for those whom Jehovah* loves he disciplines, in fact, he scourges* everyone whom he receives as a son.”+
7 You need to endure as part of your discipline.* God is treating you as sons.+ For what son is not disciplined by his father?"

Bros, continue LYING & DECEIVING yourself.

KNOWMORE56:


You don come again o,
You quote the word correctly (i.e the Bible in your head) but interpretation and application is very very wrong...

Example: shunning is in the Bible, it shows what and who to shun...
You then pick up the word SHUN and choose what and who to shun:

The Word says we should shun fornicators, adulterers, drunken men/women but

you say no any person who is demanding for justice for his daughter who was rape should be shunned and those who leave the organization...

Check the Word below:

*. 1 Corinthians 5: 11"
KJV:But now I have written unto you NOT TO KEEP COMPANY, IF ANY MAN THAT IS CALLED A BROTHER BE A FORNICATOR, or COVETOUS, or an IDOLATOR, or a RAILER, or a DRUNKARD, or an EXTORTIONER; with such an one no not to eat."

now you can see what I mean.

KNOWMORE56:


".[/b]..Jesus in the first century...."[b]
Which Jesus are you talking about? The one found in the Word and revealed to the whole world or the one hiding in the watch tower reveal only to the 8 men?

The one in the Word said to His disciples 'don't hate those who are not among us'

While the one hiding in Watch tower is saying that whoever is not a JW is an enemy.

*. Mark 9:38 "KJV:And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and WE FORBAD HIM, BECAUSE HE FOLLOWETH NOT US.
39
KJV: BUT JESUS SAID, FORBID HIM NOT: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me."

note: the only sin of the man is BECAUSE HE FOLLOWETH NOT US.

The man was able to cast out devil in the name of Jesus ( mark 9:38), which themselves were not able to do (Matthew 17:19)...

Yet they are the ones who are finding fault... not that he committed any known sin but BECAUSE HE FOLLOWETH NOT US.

Max, come out of this organization for your good... no talk sey I no tell you o!

Janosky:
Hebrew 12:5-7
"5And you have entirely forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons: “My son, do not belittle the discipline from Jehovah,* nor give up when you are corrected by him; 6 for those whom Jehovah* loves he disciplines, in fact, he scourges* everyone whom he receives as a son.”+
7 You need to endure as part of your discipline.* God is treating you as sons.+ For what son is not disciplined by his father?"

Bros, continue LYING & DECEIVING yourself.

Emusan:


The funny thing is, the deluded JWs is using a verse where it was boldly written that those God loves He disciplined and HE(JEHOVAH) scourges EVERYONE WHOM HE RECEIVES AS A SON and vs7 says God is TREATING YOU AS SONS!

Ask the deluded JWs, are you a son of God or not?

Watch him as he'll go into silence mode.

Keep deceiving yourself Mr JaNosense the lying liar JWs like your father the devil

KNOWMORE56:

You don come again o,
You quote the word correctly (i.e the Bible in your head) but interpretation and application is very very wrong...Example: shunning is in the Bible, it shows what and who to shun...
You then pick up the word SHUN and choose what and who to shun:The Word says we should shun fornicators, adulterers, drunken men/women but you say no any person who is demanding for justice for his daughter who was rape should be shunned and those who leave the organization...Check the Word below:
*. 1 Corinthians 5: 11"
KJV:But now I have written unto you NOT TO KEEP COMPANY, IF ANY MAN THAT IS CALLED A BROTHER BE A FORNICATOR, or COVETOUS, or an IDOLATOR, or a RAILER, or a DRUNKARD, or an EXTORTIONER; with such an one no not to eat."now you can see what I mean.

achorladey:


Na only 144,000 be sons of God all other great crowd of other sheep are TENANTS.

Emusan:


Which means that particular verse is meant for the discipline of the 144,000 not ALL JWS not to even talk about ex-JWs who are considered enemies of Jehovah.

Now imagine using that verse as a support for SHUNNING is what the educated literate man can come up with.

Very pathetic!

achorladey:

Wetin we go do than allow the educated literate to type whatever is in his brain and mind.
After all even their Jehovah make it sunshine and rain on his sons and enemies.
Like Max said [s]if you don't follow our standard we will shun you[/s] if you vow to do something and later refuse to fulfil your vow, WE WILL SHUN YOU!
I believe they know where their standard is coming from.

Emusan:


The funny thing is, the deluded JWs is using a verse where it was boldly written that those God loves He disciplined and HE(JEHOVAH) scourges EVERYONE WHOM HE RECEIVES AS A SON and vs7 says God is TREATING YOU AS SONS!

Ask the deluded JWs, are you a son of God or not?

Watch him as he'll go into silence mode.

Keep deceiving yourself Mr JaNosense the lying liar JWs like your father the devil

achorladey:


Wetin we go do than allow the educated literate to type whatever is in his brain and mind.

After all even their Jehovah make it sunshine and rain on his sons and enemies.

Like Max said if you don't follow our standard we will shun you.

I believe they know where their standard is coming from.

achorladey:


Na only 144,000 be sons of God all other great crowd of other sheep are TENANTS.

Emusan:


Which means that particular verse is meant for the discipline of the 144,000 not ALL JWS not to even talk about ex-JWs who are considered enemies of Jehovah.

Now imagine using that verse as a support for SHUNNING is what the educated literate man can come up with.

Very pathetic!

Bros, You and your friends despise the holy Scriptures , una no even dey shame sef dey do am korokoro.
Kai !!!!!

Achorladey,Emusan & KNOWMORE56,
is Luke 3:38 missing in your Bibles.