MaxInDHouse:
Our people have returned from the market earlier today o!

MaxInDHouse:
This is what shows how hypocritical those speaking against the Organization are and the lying spirit in them! John 3:19
So individually you enjoy the company of JWs but you heard that the group is a cult group shey? Matthew 5:11-12
That's exactly what happened to Pharisees and Sadducees in the first century, this people want Jesus who is a lifely person as a friend so they keep inviting him to come and have dinner with them {Luke 7:36-37, 14:1} but his teachings they detests.
So judge for yourself if you've always enjoyed the company of JWs (individually speaking) but having serious issues with our teachings! Matthew 10:22-25
God bless you and may you have PEACE!

achorladey:



When you call others RELIGIONISTS you revel and smile from cheek to cheek.

When they apply the word CULT to your group, it agitates you so much you will start making numerous comparison in order to look good. People also enjoy company with Muslims, Atheist even traditional worshippers e.t.c and still don't take the fact that those people are Atheist or Muslims or traditionalist


Go and look up what characteristics CULTS have and see how it applies to your group.


1. Opposing critical thinking

2. Isolating members and penalizing them for leaving

3. Emphasizing special doctrines outside scripture

4. Seeking inappropriate loyalty to their leaders

5. Dishonoring the family unit

6. Crossing Biblical boundaries of behavior (versus sexual purity and personal ownership)

7. Separation from the Church


8. Another key aspect of thought control involves training members to block out any information which is critical of the group.

9. A person’s typical defense mechanisms are twisted so they defend the person’s new [religious] identity against his old former identity.

10. The first line of defense includes denial (“What you say isn’t happening at all”),

11. rationalization (“This is happening for a good
reason”),

12. justification (“This is happening because it ought tobe”),

13. and wishful thinking (“I’d like it [the belief] to be true so maybe it really is”).


14 . . . If information transmitted . . . is perceived as an attack on either the leader, the doctrine or the group, a hostile wall goes up.

15. Members are trained to disbelieve any criticism. . . . .

16. Loyalty and devotion are the most highly respected emotions of all. . . .

17. People are not allowed to talk to each other about anything critical of the leader, doctrine, or organization.

18. Members must spy on one another and report improper activities or comments to leaders.

19. Most importantly, people are told to avoid contact with ex-members or critics.

nnamdiosu:

Do calm down. You seems so eagar to prove JE isn't a cult or is acceptable. It's not an issue of hyprotical. Listen.
When I say I enjoy the company of my JW friends , IT DOESNT MEAN I ACCEPT OR THINK THE JW DOCTRINES ARE BETTER OR MORALLY RIGHT ITSELF.
my non JW friends may not be morally as right as them, but they are human and understanding.
1. They don't forbid blood transfusion that was created to save life's
2. They don't claim only them will go to heaven.
3. They don't forbid birthdays. Those who aren't Christian's even wish me happy birthday.
4. They don't restrict marriage to their sect only and cast out those who decide otherwise.
And many more other weird things.
So don't get it twisted.
A cult can have morally good guys by day that don't take alcohol in the day, but drink blood at night. (Just saying)
Please let's stop derailing this thread. Wish you the very best bro

nnamdiosu:


Do calm down. You seems so eagar to prove JE isn't a cult or is acceptable. It's not an issue of hyprotical. Listen.

When I say I enjoy the company of my JW friends , IT DOESNT MEAN I ACCEPT OR THINK THE JW DOCTRINES ARE BETTER OR MORALLY RIGHT ITSELF.

my non JW friends may not be morally as right as them, but they are human and understanding.

1. They don't forbid blood transfusion that was created to save life's

2. They don't claim only them will go to heaven.

3. They don't forbid birthdays. Those who aren't Christian's even wish me happy birthday.

4. They don't restrict marriage to their sect only and cast out those who decide otherwise.
And many more other weird things.


So don't get it twisted.
A cult can have morally good guys by day that don't take alcohol in the day, but drink blood at night. (Just saying)

Please let's stop derailing this thread. Wish you the very best bro

Janosky:

Your no1-no19 GIBBERISH failed the critical thinking process expoused by the holy Scriptures.

* Proverbs 14:15
The simple believes everything, but the prudent gives thought to his steps.

* 2 Timothy 2:7
Think over what I say, for the Lord will give you understanding in everything.

* 1 Thessalonians 5:21
But test everything; hold fast what is good

Your FALSE claims have ZERO connection to Jehovah's Servants or the worship of Jehovah the only true God.

Proverbs 9:10
" The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom"

1 Corinthians 1:20,25
"Where is the wise man?.... Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?"

"For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom"

Bros, your own Bible says you are not wise.
Please continue WAILING and DECEIVING yourself

MaxInDHouse:
Is there anyone as ANYONE who truly wants to know the PRACTICAL BENEFITS of SHUNNING as God's word commaded Christians to do towards certain individuals?
I know most of you are scared of knowing cos Maximus will bring out facts that none of you can refute {Isaiah 54:17} so i'm waiting for any of you who truly want to know!

achorladey:

You were so scared that you said you were afraid of commenting on the other thread about the same issue

MaxInDHouse:
What are you willing to know whether the SHUNNING issue or any other point from the OP?
Note that we can only take two at a goal, and for the first time please! please!! please!!!
This is not about sarcasm but issue requesting urgent need so let's chat like question and answer on this.
You will go straight to your question and i will answer based on my PERSONAL understanding of what you ask in line with what i accepted as absolute TRUTH!
So you and i will have to chat like friends asking each other questions like heart to heart discussion, nobody is under any scrutiny since each person is free to choose the type of worship you feel is the truth.
Please no sarcasm!
You may proceed with the first TWO questions the first is about SHUNNING and the second could be any question of your choice!

MaxInDHouse:
@ achorladey!

achorladey:

Where in the scripture was it written to shun those that do not sin?

MaxInDHouse:
Please let's start from SHUNNING first before we now define what is sin. You know different religions has what they term as sin!
Thanks!

achorladey:

Where in the scripture was it written to shun those that do not sin?
I will repeat, think before responding.

MaxInDHouse:
I wish we carry everyone along including atheists who don't believe in God or sin so we won't just treat one side while leaving the other side unattended to!
So please let's first talk about SHUNNING, did God's word support it?
If God's word support it then we can now go to grouds on which it could be applied!

achorladey:

Where in the scripture was it written to SHUN those that (do not) sin?
I will repeat, think before responding.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is obvious you agree shunning is biblical but only for those that sinned.
So back to your question, God's word says we should SHUN sinners not those who never sinned!

Can we proceed now?

achorladey:

Where in the scripture was it written to SHUN those that (do not) sin?

Answer the question accordingly don't punctate it with answering questions on my behalf because you have to isolate shunning from the scripture in the long run.

MaxInDHouse:
I have answered you achorladey.
If you believe there shouldn't be SHUNNING at all is a different story but now the highlighted shows you agree that God's word support shunning only against those that sinned!

Janosky:

Your comparisons is solid evidence you are deluded & confirmed bigot.

Bros, your opinion doesn't count with Jehovah our God, let alone His Servants.

Shalom.

achorladey:

Where in the scripture was it written to SHUN those that (do not) sin?
Simple answer don't punctuate your response with answering your own questions on my behalf.

MaxInDHouse:
No where to hide now my friend!

God's word support shunning so if you don't have any other tangible thing to say then case closed!

I know none of you can't refute the TRUTH written in God's word all you can do is argue blindly but now you can't escape because there is nowhere to hide. It's either God's word never said anything regarding SHUNNING or it's only restricted to certain individuals!

For the benefit of all those who truly want to know the logical reason behind the principle of SHUNNING i will explain and i hereby challenge anyone who feels like it's not so to speak up.

Adam and Eve lived in Eden as a couple, God gave them a rule probably from Adam passed onto Eve, they are not to eat of a certain tree in the garden. A powerful spirit used the snake as a puppet to ask Eve whether she'll like to break God's law if there's gain in rebellion, Eve agreed and later introduced the idea to her husband, according to God's word this is what led to all the troubles mankind is experiencing till today!
All of us are blaming Adam today because he was the first person to live in the garden and the one with whom God spoke directly.

Let anyone as in ANYONE refute this claim that if Eve had shunned the serpent (whom she knew very well in the garden but never spoke in that manner) would Mankind be in this mess?
If Adam had shunned Eve that day would Mankind come under this curse?
Let's say Adam has shunned Eve completely along with the serpent would God destroy the puppet (serpent) and Eve?

Of course God's word supports SHUNNING {Romans 16:17; 2John 10-11} and it's the best way of saving yourself and probably the wrongdoer! 1Corinthians 5:5

May you have PEACE!

achorladey:

Nowhere to hide keh . The one always ignoring now becomes someone telling others nowhere to hide. Had I been in a hidden place, how come you have been ignoring something that is hidden. Na sheer consolation be that.
Answer my question without punctuating it. Resulted in this latest post. You set rules, you can't even obey your own rules. To the bold up there must be the answer you want to hear all day yesterday......Yet this post is filled with ifs, probably e.t.c. You know what that means, they all come under suppositions, assumptions and speculations and that what you want people to REFUTE. I should refute assumptions, speculations and suppositions

achorladey:

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.

"I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them."

MaxInDHouse:
Guy your conscience is DEAD, that's why i always ignore you. Your purpose of coming into any thread is not for clarification but confusion.
You kept asking the same question that's not in line with the topic of discussion.
The OP has freely expressed himself regarding his displeasure about JWs rules and regulations, the main point of his leaving the group is about SHUNNING of those who oppose the organizational standard!
So to set matters straight and carry all followers of thread along the first thing to iron out is whether God's word supports SHUNNING in anyway?
The second is what ground should SHUNNING come to play it's part in Christianity?
But as usual you want to make everything clumsy and that is what i don't want. It's either God's word supports SHUNNING or not, then we can now talk about the ground on which it should be applied.
I'm not even after Churchgoers in this thread God's word says SHUN rebellious individuals so if anyone feels like arguing it let such a person delete it from his copy of the Bible. My main target are ATHEISTS and AGNOSTICS who don't believe in the sanctity and wisdom found in God's word.
Perhaps any of them can come up with a BETTER idea than SHUNNING if we go logical. But i trust LordReed because he knew Maximus very well for convincing speech that can't be refuted!
Your own case is settled my guy, go and rest!

MaxInDHouse:


I told you There's nowhere to hide your rebellious spirit didn't i?
Now everyone following the thread could see for themselves that SHUNNING is part of Christian principles. The questions you supposed to ask yourself:
Is there any individual or set of people that worth SHUNNING today?
How do i apply this injunction without being one sided?




I love this passage so much that i can't just stop laughing at your rebellious spirit?

Now let's pick the words one after another:

"I urge you, BROTHERS and SISTERS (people with whom i accepted the same line of thought not just anybody~ Matthew 12:46-49) to watch out for those who cause division and put obstacles in your way that are CONTRARY to the TEACHINGS you have learned, KEEP AWAY FROM THEM"

Abeg achorladey, nah JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization TEACH me o! And nah there all my brothers and sisters (in the faith) dey, so according to what you just quoted I Maximus must SHUN whoever tries to cause a division amongst those sharing the same line of thought regarding what we LEARNED!

Please do you have a better explanation than this?

achorladey:


1. My conscience is now dead.

2. I create confusion

3. I asked a question not in line with the thread. Here it is again. Where in the scripture was it written to SHUN those that (do not) sin?

4. Who is carried along should be none of your business. The reason we have moderators on the platform. This thread wasn't created by you. Anyone that needs to be carried along can address that appropriately and they get response.

5. As if the thread was about a Churchgoer, atheist and agnostic

The same LordReed I know. You need a reminder

Check the images below

MaxInDHouse:
What do you expect from an atheist who tried everything manly possible to refute something but finds no way to do so? John 10:20
So try not to change the subject Sir, your last post exposed the rebellious spirit in you.

According to what you quoted:

SHUNNING is biblical!
It could only work in the midst of those taught and believes the same thing!

So JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization is hereby vindicated!

achorladey:


This was your last response before this post

Your own case is settled my guy, go and rest!

Obviously you cannot rest and the post shows. You cited a bible verse you cannot quote appropriately to see what it states. I quoted it you l decided to call Pauma and Osupa to celebrate.

Colour it from now till tomorrow don't bring what you are expected to see because you don't follow your own rules and you don't listen to people.

Simple question:

1. Where in the scripture was it written to SHUN those that (do not) sin?

Follow up question as a result of the Romans 16:17 and 2 John 10,11

2. How do you know someone is teaching something contrary to the teaching of Jesus and the apostles when you shun them?


If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching

How do you know someone that is coming to you does not bring this teaching when you shun them?

achorladey:

Do you trust this ATHEIST?
A. Yes
B. No.
Regarding this.....
SHUNNING is biblical! It could only work in the midst of those taught and believes the same thing
More images coming

nnamdiosu:


I feel you bro, honestly I do. And trust me, I can vouch for many of my jw friends to be more honest and moral than my non jw friends.

However, there are so many indices that point out that jw organization is a cult. Like very tight systematic cultures, way of life, beliefs, etc. But it's fine.

But I won't want to argue, judge or critize sir. I relate with a person as according to an individual, not a group or association.
God bless you. Amen.