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Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by phunkypalace(m): 7:30am On Apr 06
You should do your research on that please. And I saw all that you wrote and said you know about the bloodline of the GSD. Sorry you still need to go back to drawing board. For now you really need to learn more about the German Shepherd Dog.
Futureukstudent:
so what is been used in 2021?
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by phunkypalace(m): 7:35am On Apr 06
Oh wow...sorry. My apologies, it wasn't you. So sorry for the mix up.
Futureukstudent:
I never wrote anything concerning how to identifying the bloodlines of gsd.. kindly revert thank you.

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Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by Futureukstudent: 7:39am On Apr 06
phunkypalace:
You should do your research on that please. And I saw all that you wrote and said you know about the bloodline of the GSD. Sorry you still need to go back to drawing board. For now you really need to learn more about the German Shepherd Dog.
1. I just checked your profile, j found out you are ignite kennel. I have heard about you, but never knew you were so rude and unruly. Cos you deal with pedigrees, you think you can talk down on anyone?
2. I just asked a simple question. What is wrong with the use of word slant in 2021? I don't think it is out of place to enlighten people that don't know. This you have failed in doing hence I think it is best you keep Ur critisms to urself whenever someone uses whatever works to sell his pups. If you can't impact knowledge, dont judge. Besides no be Ur money them Dy use feed
3. Apologies accepted . Have a nice day

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Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by phunkypalace(m): 7:42am On Apr 06
Total garbage!...majority of you just come online to advertise your ignorance.

What is Semi showlines according to the breed standard?
Working line puppies for 35k-50k?...The same WGWL, DDR/East German lines and The Czech lines is sold for that price...can you show me their pedigree and where they are?
Was not surprised when I saw you wrote working lines don't have their lineage intact. grin grin grin
RYEOFARMS:

then the price rate
showline puppies range between 200-250k
working line puppies range between 35-50k (depending on quality and coat type)
while semi-showlines are between (100k - 150k)
NOTE:Semi-showlines are products of crossbreeding working line with showlines
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by phunkypalace(m): 7:46am On Apr 06
Lol, for the record, I'm not rude, I'm only pained when I see people spreading misinformation.

You wrote this after my apology?...You shouldn't have accepted the apology then.

PS: I am not Ignite kennel, I am IGNITE German Shepherds. There is a difference.
Futureukstudent:
1. I just checked your profile, j found out you are ignite kennel. I have heard about you, but never knew you were so rude and unruly. Cos you deal with pedigrees, you think you can talk down on anyone?
2. I just asked a simple question. What is wrong with the use of word slant in 2021? I don't think it is out of place to enlighten people that don't know. This you have failed in doing hence I think it is best you keep Ur critisms to urself whenever someone uses whatever works to sell his pups. If you can't impact knowledge, dont judge. Besides no be Ur money them Dy use feed
3. Apologies accepted . Have a nice day

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Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by TIDDOLL(m): 8:52am On Apr 06
RYEOFARMS:

then the price rate
showline puppies range between 200-250k
working line puppies range between 35-50k (depending on quality and coat type)
while semi-showlines are between (100k - 150k)
NOTE:Semi-showlines are products of crossbreeding working line with showlines


[/b]This is wrong in all ramification..

Where would you get a "Working line" German shepherd for 35-50k?
You mean, those peddled mongrels?

And what is Semi-showlines undecided

With all due respect, go to your browser and read up everything about a german shepherd, that should help you a bit[b]
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by TIDDOLL(m): 8:53am On Apr 06
TIDDOLL:



[/b]This is wrong in all ramification..

Where would you get a "Working line" German shepherd for 35-50k?
You mean, those peddled mongrels?

And what is Semi-showlines undecided

With all due respect, go to your browser and read up everything about a german shepherd, that should help you a bit[b]
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by PeraGSD: 9:02am On Apr 06
Futureukstudent:
whenever someone uses whatever works to sell his pups.



Even if it is misinformation? Wow.
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Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by phunkypalace(m): 9:19am On Apr 06
As in, I'm short of words. Sadly Nairaland is not like other platforms like Twitter, FB etc where you can easily see all these things. An application can also help out here. The amount of misinformation on here about pets is highly misleading and can hardly be overlooked.
PeraGSD:

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Even if it is misinformation? Wow.
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Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by Namdeenero(m): 11:28am On Apr 06
RYEOFARMS:

then the price rate
showline puppies range between 200-250k
working line puppies range between 35-50k (depending on quality and coat type)
while semi-showlines are between (100k - 150k)
NOTE:Semi-showlines are products of crossbreeding working line with showlines
There’s nothing like semi-Showline. Showline x workingline puppies are called Hybrids. And who told you workingline GSD costs 35-50k??
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by Futureukstudent: 11:29am On Apr 06
PeraGSD:

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Even if it is misinformation? Wow.
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how is describing your dog as slant a misinformation?
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by Futureukstudent: 11:33am On Apr 06
phunkypalace:
Lol, for the record, I'm not rude, I'm only pained when I see people spreading misinformation.

You wrote this after my apology?...You shouldn't have accepted the apology then.

PS: I am not Ignite kennel, I am IGNITE German Shepherds. There is a difference.
anyways my point is.... Someone asking you "why a particular dog shouldnt be called a slant in 2021" isn't out of place.no one knows it all and nothing wrong by sharing new information..and your response to my question wasn't it at all. I bet someone taught you what you know. Imagine everyone telling you go and ask google whenever you ask question I wonder how many things you will know
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by PeraGSD: 12:31pm On Apr 06
Futureukstudent:
how is describing your dog as slant a misinformation?


We have work and show lines. Sticking to the proper names helps to also inform properly and correctly. It may be overlooked in times past but the earlier we correct the better.
Saying "whatever works" to sell pups is giving up that there are actually guidelines one may follow. That is why we have standard or best practices. Embrace them.
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by Futureukstudent: 1:41pm On Apr 06
PeraGSD:



We have work and show lines. Sticking to the proper names helps to also inform properly and correctly. It may be overlooked in times past but the earlier we correct the better.
Saying "whatever works" to sell pups is giving up that there are actually guidelines one may follow. That is why we have standard or best practices. Embrace them.
but you agree that describing a show line as slant isnt misinformation right?
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by phunkypalace(m): 1:55pm On Apr 06
It is a misinformation because looking at the anatomy of the German Shepherd Dog, all German Shepherds have a straight and firm back. It is clearly written in the breed standard of the German Shepherd Dog. The only thing allowed to be sloppy in the topline of the GSD is thr croup.

Most of what you guys call "Slant back" are dogs with serious defects ranging from weak/bad pasterns, too deep angulation and also what is popular known as cow hock. Some of these dogs are deformed but the average Nigerian canine enthusiast thinks that is a Showline.

Finally the topline of a GSD doesn't determine the bloodline. Only the pedigree does.
Futureukstudent:
but you agree that describing a show line as slant isnt misinformation right?
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by PeraGSD: 1:57pm On Apr 06
Futureukstudent:
but you agree that describing a show line as slant isnt misinformation right?

It is misinformation. What I see here is you not wanting to back down even in the face of superior information. It is your choice then. I am done.
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by letscutadeal: 4:57pm On Apr 06
phunkypalace:
It is a misinformation because looking at the anatomy of the German Shepherd Dog, all German Shepherds have a straight and firm back. It is clearly written in the breed standard of the German Shepherd Dog. The only thing allowed to be sloppy in the topline of the GSD is thr croup.

Most of what you guys call "Slant back" are dogs with serious defects ranging from weak/bad pasterns, too deep angulation and also what is popular known as cow hock. Some of these dogs ared are deformed but the average Nigerian canine enthusiast thinks that is a Showline.

Finally the topline of a GSD doesn't determine the bloodline. Only the pedigree does.

Don't forget these dogs can be highly susceptible to other genetic diseases found in dogs like hip dysplasia among others ( see https://dogleashpro.com/dog-care/dog-health/Canine-Degenerative-Myelopathy-When-to-Euthanize for more info on spinal issues which used to be called the "german shepherd disease".), especially dogs for security which tend to be larger breeds like GSD's are more prone to a wider range of issues outside of just hip issues.

Aside from that, I have a shepherd mix and he guards very well and was pretty easy to train just following simple guides online. I would recommend checking out youtube and putting some time into it rather than looking for a professional trainer.
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by Futureukstudent: 5:56pm On Apr 06
phunkypalace:
It is a misinformation because looking at the anatomy of the German Shepherd Dog, all German Shepherds have a straight and firm back. It is clearly written in the breed standard of the German Shepherd Dog. The only thing allowed to be sloppy in the topline of the GSD is thr croup.

Most of what you guys call "Slant back" are dogs with serious defects ranging from weak/bad pasterns, too deep angulation and also what is popular known as cow hock. Some of these dogs ared are deformed but the average Nigerian canine enthusiast thinks that is a Showline.

Finally the topline of a GSD doesn't determine the bloodline. Only the pedigree does.
ok now I get where you meant by misinformation.... People using the deformation of a gsd to classify if it is showline or working line....I agree with you
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by RYEOFARMS(m): 7:01am On Apr 07
well I've read through all the comments, I've got nothing to say to anyone,I was only giving my point of view to the person that asked....and I plainly told him the truth about the kind of Gsds available here in Nigeria and you totally have no right to tag me whatsoever in your reply,okay? it's immature of you sir......share your own ideas and opinion that's all but all you displayed here are signs of immaturity and senselessness if I may say
as regards the semi-showlines or whatever that's my definition for working line/show lines pups so don't tell me what is and what's not...just share your own ideas......pls I have no time for trolls,pps and pls keep your ego to yourself and don't mention my name/acct in your comments again....
Thanks
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by RYEOFARMS(m): 7:04am On Apr 07
Namdeenero:
There’s nothing like semi-Showline. Showline x workingline puppies are called Hybrids. And who told you workingline GSD costs 35-50k??
sorry you mean to say those Gsds without pedigree papers are sold higher than that or how many dogs out there have their pedigree papers intact,pls sir if you have pedigree dogs good but speak for yourself only and stop confusing people
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by RYEOFARMS(m): 7:10am On Apr 07
Dogs who doesn't have it's papers intact are not regarded as pedigrees, they are referred to as non-pedigrees.....and that's what most people out there have and it doesn't mean they don't have quality dogs or sth,so when you're staying facts in Nigeria here stop using google or whatever,face the reality of what's out there abeg, after all some of you end up selling mixed breeds as pedigree dogs...see don't let me start to share my experience abeg
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by RYEOFARMS(m): 7:18am On Apr 07
we have many good quality dogs out there but not all of them are pedigrees....and that serves as a major cause for the variety in prices
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by PeraGSD: 7:26am On Apr 07
If they can be semi showlines..why not semi worklines. Simply put the semis don't exist. Further more a lot of what is refereed to as worklines are simply mutts and because they do not physically conform to showline are referred to as worklines. DDR, Czech border etc progeny worklines CAN NOT be gotten for 35k to 50k.
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by TIDDOLL(m): 7:46am On Apr 07
People will tell you, just let them be.

But no!!

One of the grave mistake one can make is to revel in folly of a supposed knowledge or consciousness.

In doing so, they pollute the perception of others who are not privy to the right information.

No 30 - 40k Showline or Working line GSD
except you are peddling a sub-standard or mutt with an unknown history.
Which i've got one myself and i don't love her less.




Know this and know peace.
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by Namdeenero(m): 7:48am On Apr 07
RYEOFARMS:

sorry you mean to say those Gsds without pedigree papers are sold higher than that or how many dogs out there have their pedigree papers intact,pls sir if you have pedigree dogs good but speak for yourself only and stop confusing people
Seems you find it difficult to comprehend things. Who’s talking about pedigree?? Have you seen a real workingline German Shepherd before? Do they look anything like your 35k dogs?
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by phunkypalace(m): 9:41am On Apr 07
Lmao...we know people like him. They just want to wallow in deep ignorance. You will know them from the way they write.

I'm sure he doesn't even understand the true concept of these bloodlines. And I'm damn sure he can't differentiate them with their pedigree. This not to sound condescending in anyway but I can see it from the way he writes and most especially his thought process.

Namdeenero:
Seems you find it difficult to comprehend things. Who’s talking about pedigree?? Have you seen a real workingline German Shepherd before? Do they look anything like your 35k dogs?
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by phunkypalace(m): 9:44am On Apr 07
The fifth paragraph is everything... smiley cheesy
TIDDOLL:
People will tell you, just let them be.

But no!!

One of the grave mistake one can make is to revel in folly of a supposed knowledge or consciousness.

In doing so, they pollute the perception of others who are not privy to the right information.

No 30 - 40k Showline or Working line GSD
except you are peddling a sub-standard or mutt with an unknown history.
Which i've got one myself and i don't love her less.




Know this and know peace.
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by phunkypalace(m): 9:49am On Apr 07
Bro...I became weak when I saw that. I'm trying to get a WGWL for someone presently and it will cost the person about $3,000 without shipping fee. But here is someone telling us you'll get one for 40k max. Tells you everything you need to know about the person. Many folks don't really understand the concept behind these bloodlines and this in turn makes them slam random bloodlines on random dogs especially mutts.
Namdeenero:
There’s nothing like semi-Showline. Showline x workingline puppies are called Hybrids. And who told you workingline GSD costs 35-50k??
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by RYEOFARMS(m): 2:06pm On Apr 07
ok I agree maybe I'm new to the dog stuff, maybe I know nothing about Gsds, maybe I don't even what a dog looks like......If you don't understand my point,well I do yours so please just ignore me and focus on the guy that asked for your help
..... I'll have found this interesting and educative though if not that it sounds and looks insulting

I'm aware of the various bloodlines we have the Czech,Ddr,the west german Gsds,the American showlines and all...and I know the worth of this dogs if they're pedigrees and purebred but i didn't mention a certain bloodline in my comment I was referring to the good looking quality dogs I've seen and come across but then if you say I nothing well I won't argue any further.

And as per the mutts you mentioned
First and foremost,just cos a dog doesn't meet with A.K.C requirements/standard doesn't mean it's not a Gsd (though it might not be 100% pure) an example is the white Gsd, do you know that they're not recognized by A.k.c as Gsds but that doesn't mean they're not, even liver-colored Gsds are being disqualified as they are believed to have/ susceptible to liver issues
Secondly, Do you know how many shepherd dogs were crossed and back-crossed before the Standard for the Gsds were achieved (so that means Gsds are products of mutts?)

In conclusion I'm not against anything you've said about Gsds, but I only gave my suggestion and point of view from my own experience and you should also say yours not condemn mine...And yes maybe sth is wrong with my perception of gsds,you can't enlighten by talking down on me, it's quite unprofessional,if you as a professional think I'm a rookie why not just enlighten me rather than rubbish my perception/concept,I find it very insulting
Re: Advice Needed:i Need A Dog For Security Purposes by RYEOFARMS(m): 2:10pm On Apr 07
and @poster McCain if you need a good Gsd, check around nairaland you'll find good quality Gsd pups @ good prices but if you are wary of the bloodlines well you can go for the pedigree dogs though they cost way more just as the others have said...it all depends on you bro,if you see the parents of the dogs and you're ok with the quality go for it.....I rest my case

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