God's Grace Is Not Sufficient For The Wicked But For The Righteous And Sinner That Repents

* God's grace was sufficient for righteous Abel to be approved of God but not enough for wicked Cain. Gen 4:3-8, Matthew 23:35.

* God's grace was sufficient for righteous Noah and his family to be saved from the flood, but not enough to save the wicked men on Earth.

Genesis 6:8-9 (KJV)

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

* God's grace was sufficient for Lot, the nephew of righteous Abraham, to be saved with his daughters, from the impending destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, but it wasn't enough to save the wicked of that land. Genesis 19:12-25, 28-30.

* God's grace would have been sufficient for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah to be spared from the impending destruction had there been ten righteous men in the land, but it wasn't because the land was full of wicked men. Genesis 18:20-32

* God's grace was sufficient for the people of Nineveh because they turned away from their wicked ways, but it wouldn't have been enough had they continued in them. Jonah 1:2; 2.

Jonah 3:10 (KJV)

And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not. Jonah 1:2; 2.

* God's grace was only sufficient to save His own people and heal their land if they repented and turned away from their wicked ways, but it wouldn't be enough if they continued in them.

2 Chronicles 7:14 (KJV)

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

* God's grace is only sufficient for the righteous and sinners who repent and turn away from their wicked ways, but it's not enough for the sinner who continues in his sins and works of iniquity.

Jesus says:

"I tell you... except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Luke 13:3 (KJV)

He that has ears to hear, let him hear.

God bless.

Kudos for the article

You seem to mix some things up

It's not God vengefully withholding His grace from the wicked,
It's actually the Wicked turning down God's offer of Grace

For example, Noah begged the people of his days to join him in the ark, but they mocked.

Who else needs grace but the wicked. If you're already righteous, why do you need some help in form of grace.

The grace of God that brings salvation has appeared unto ALL.
I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.

kayuseful:

Kudos for the article

You seem to mix some things up

It's not God vengefully withholding His grace from the wicked,
It's actually the Wicked turning down God's offer of Grace

For example, Noah begged the people of his days to join him in the ark, but they mocked.

Who else needs grace but the wicked. If you're already righteous, why do you need some help in form of grace.

The grace of God that brings salvation has appeared unto ALL.
I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.

You probably the one mixing things up here, because there's no place I said God was withholding His grace from the wicked, but that His grace is sufficient for the righteous and the sinner that repents. So it's available to all but only the righteous and sinners who repent that can benefit from it as all those instances show.

You obviously aren't aware that the righteous also need the grace of God. They need it not because they're sinners themselves, but the sins of Adam which they inherited, which makes them undeserving of God's approval or consideration.

That's why Noah, despite being righteous in God's opinion still found grace in God's sight!

Jesus didn't come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance because the righteous had no need for repentance but the sinners did!

It's important not to misinterpret that to mean that He came for the sinners as many do, but that He came to call the sinners to repentance, because it's important they came to repentance, or they wouldn't be able to benefit of the Grace of God as the righteous and those sinners who repent did.

That's also the essence of this post. To call the sinners to repentance so that they would be able to benefit from God's grace because otherwise they won't.

Thanks and God bless.

jesusjnr2020:
You probably the one mixing things up here, because there's no place I said God was withholding His grace from the wicked, but that His grace is sufficient for the righteous and the sinner that repents. So it's available to all but only the righteous and sinners who repent that can benefit from it as all those instances show.

You obviously aren't aware that the righteous also need the grace of God. They need it not because they're sinners themselves, but the sins of Adam which they inherited, which makes them undeserving of God's approval or consideration.

That's why Noah, despite being righteous in God's opinion still found grace in God's sight!

Jesus didn't come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance because the righteous had no need for repentance but the sinners did!

It's important not to misinterpret that to mean that He came for the sinners as many do, but that He came to call the sinners to repentance, because it's important they came to repentance, or they wouldn't be able to benefit of the Grace of God as the righteous and those sinners who repent did.

That's also the essence of this post. To call the sinners to repentance so that they would be able to benefit from God's grace because otherwise they won't.

Thanks and God bless.

So at what point did God make this grace available to sinners,
After they have repented or before?

kayuseful:

So at what point did God make this grace available to sinners,
After they have repented or before?

It's always been available to all humans ever since the fall of man in the beginning. It was available to both Cain and Abel, but it was only Abel that was able to partake of it because of he walked in righteousness. Remember what God said to Cain, that if he had done well would he not be accepted?

So that's all Cain needed to do to access it as Abel had done, but he refused hence he never did.

It was also available to all during the days of Noah, but only Noah did what was required to access it. Remember what you said that he was preaching and no one refused to hear him? If they had heard him and turned away from their wicked ways what do you think would have happened?

They didn't give us the benefit to know what would have happened, but the people of Nineveh did. That was an instance that gave us an opportunity to see how that was all God required from man to be able to access His grace, thanks to the exemplary leadership of their king. He didn't even know if it was going to work and change God's mind since God had already declared their destruction, but he said they should just go ahead regardless, and that proved to be a game changer.

It's important to stress that these weren't God's own people Israel, but people regarded as the heathen, yet them turning away from their evil ways still made them to able to access God's grace.

God's grace has always been there since the fall of man, because after them no man didn't deserved or was worthy of His consideration after that, not even the righteous! But only the righteous was able to access it because that was what God required of men.

It was after the coming of Jesus that God's grace was upgraded to eternal life, so now it wasn't just an earthly reward for obeying God and walking in righteousness, but there was now an eternal reward attached to it.

So that's the only difference, but the requirement is still the same.

God bless.

I'm also righteous as i seldom sin. Where did Jesus ever told anyone to accept him as his Lord and savior in the Bible?

I have not come to call the righteous....but the sinners.

jesusjnr2020:
It's always been available to all humans ever since the fall of man in the beginning. It was available to both Cain and Abel, but it was only Abel that was able to partake of it because of he walked in righteousness. Remember what God said to Cain, that if he had done well would he not be accepted?

So that's all Cain needed to do to access it as Abel had done, but he refused hence he never did.

It was also available to all during the days of Noah, but only Noah did what was required to access it. Remember what you said that he was preaching and no one refused to hear him? If they had heard him and turned away from their wicked ways what do you think would have happened?

They didn't give us the benefit to know what would have happened, but the people of Nineveh did. That was an instance that gave us an opportunity to see how that was all God required from man to be able to access His grace, thanks to the exemplary leadership of their king. He didn't even know if it was going to work and change God's mind since God had already declared their destruction, but he said they should just go ahead regardless, and that proved to be a game changer.

It's important to stress that these weren't God's own people Israel, but people regarded as the heathen, yet them turning away from their evil ways still made them to able to access God's grace.

God's grace has always been there since the fall of man, because after them no man didn't deserved or was worthy of His consideration after that, not even the righteous! But only the righteous was able to access it because that was what God required of men.

It was after the coming of Jesus that God's grace was upgraded to eternal life, so now it wasn't just an earthly reward for obeying God and walking in righteousness, but there was now an eternal reward attached to it.

So that's the only difference, but the requirement is still the same.

God bless.

Grace is UNMERITED FAVOUR
if you have to be righteous to "access" it, then that can't be Grace, because you already introduced some merit.

Also, the examples you mentioned were called righteous only after they receive God's grace. Even their lives showed how imperfect they were. Righteousness was only credited to them as an unmerited favour, not that they were more moral than others

kayuseful:


Grace is UNMERITED FAVOUR
if you have to be righteous to "access" it, then that can't be Grace, because you already introduced some merit.

Also, the examples you mentioned were called righteous only after they receive God's grace. Even their lives showed how imperfect they were. Righteousness was only credited to them as an unmerited favour, not that they were more moral than others

Maybe you should explain to me why God said the following to Cain if you don't have to do right or become righteous to access it?

If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? Genesis 4:7 (KJV)

Grace is unmerited as you rightly said, but God requires righteousness for any man to be able to access it as clearly proven by this instance of Cain from the Bible.

That's how all righteous men including Cain's brother Abel were able to access it, and Cain would also have if he did right as God had said.

Feel free to believe whatever you want though but this is the Word that emanated from God's Own Mouth so it cannot be altered.

kayuseful:


Grace is UNMERITED FAVOUR
if you have to be righteous to "access" it, then that can't be Grace, because you already introduced some merit.

Also, the examples you mentioned were called righteous only after they receive God's grace. Even their lives showed how imperfect they were. Righteousness was only credited to them as an unmerited favour, not that they were more moral than others

Maybe you should explain to me why God said the following to Cain if you don't have do right or be righteous to access it?

If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? Genesis 4:7 (KJV)

Grace is unmerited as you rightly said, because regardless of one's righteousness he wouldn't merit it, but God who owns it requires righteousness for any man to be able to access it as clearly proven by this instance of Cain from the Bible.

That's how all righteous men including Cain's brother Abel were able to access it, and Cain would also have if he did right as God had said.

Feel free to believe whatever you want though but this is the Word that emanated from God's Own Mouth so no man can alter it.

jesusjnr2020:
Maybe you should explain to me why God said the following to Cain if you don't have do right or be righteous to access it?

If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? Genesis 4:7 (KJV)

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What was Cain expected to do that he didn't do but Cain did?

Heb 11:4 KJV By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Faith..

Abel offered blood of firstlings in belief of the coming "seed of the woman shall bruise the head of the serpent", that is, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.

Cain brought of the fruit of the cursed ground demonstrating he doesn't even believe anything that happened in chapter 3, yet expected God's endorsement (religion)


Abel already believed and had been righteous before he offered anything.
Cain already identified with the devil in unbelief.
Their offerings only came to make it glaring to all

kayuseful:


What was Cain expected to do that he didn't do but Cain did?

Heb 11:4 KJV By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Faith..

Abel offered blood of firstlings in belief of the coming "seed of the woman shall bruise the head of the serpent", that is, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.

Cain brought of the fruit of the cursed ground demonstrating he doesn't even believe anything that happened in chapter 3, yet expected God's endorsement (religion)


Abel already believed and had been righteous before he offered anything.
Cain already identified with the devil in unbelief.
Their offerings only came to make it glaring to all

Lol! I told you what God Himself said with His Mouth, and you went to quote Paul's sayings for me which clearly contradicted what God said there. So you think Paul now knows more than God the reason why He accepted Abel's offering and rejected Cain's?

It's okay. As I said earlier, feel free to believe whatever you want but no man can alter what God Himself said!

Peace.

kayuseful:

Grace is UNMERITED FAVOUR
if you have to be righteous to "access" it, then that can't be Grace, because you already introduced some merit.

Also, the examples you mentioned were called righteous only after they receive God's grace. Even their lives showed how imperfect they were. Righteousness was only credited to them as an unmerited favour, not that they were more moral than others

Unmerited Favour from God who is not a God of favouritism?

The grace of God in Jesus Christ refers instead to the eternal life granted to those who are saved from the condemnation of sin(Death). Those who receive this eternal life(grace) then have the option of spending it in either of the two destinations within the Kingdom .

Those you say where deemed righteous from the time of Old were in fact granted eternal life(grace) because of their obedience of God's commandments, statues and rules. Abraham, for example, was declared righteous by God, in Genesis 26 vs 1-5 , because he, Abraham, trusted and obeyed God's commands, rules and statutes, same as the other examples of righteous men in the Bible... even Jesus Christ trusted and obeyed God and was seen as righteous by His followers as a result.

There is nothing like "unmerited" favour where God is concerned since God does not consider us in terms of whether we merit or deserve what He offers us. He is our creator and it would be benefit a faithful God to think in such a manner towards His creation, don't you think? It is humans who think in that fashion... God however is far above that mentality.

kayuseful:

What was Cain expected to do that he didn't do but Cain did?

Heb 11:4 KJV By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Faith..

Abel offered blood of firstlings in belief of the coming "seed of the woman shall bruise the head of the serpent", that is, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.

Cain brought of the fruit of the cursed ground demonstrating he doesn't even believe anything that happened in chapter 3, yet expected God's endorsement (religion)


Abel already believed and had been righteous before he offered anything.
Cain already identified with the devil in unbelief.
Their offerings only came to make it glaring to all

Well, Cain also believed in God, or he would not have brought his own offering before Him, God.... it is obvious from the story that instructions had been given them on the presenting of an offering before God. From what we are told, Abel brought His best to offer before God while Cain brought what he did of the cursed land instead.

Anyways, though Cain's offering was rejected by God, what God eventually held against Cain was the murder of His brother of which we know by Cain's obvious show of guilt was against God's command at the time .I.e. disobedience. Again we may not have the details of the law at the time(murder against "be fruitful and Multiply" mandate given mankind by God), but we do know that Cain, like his father before realized the error of his way after he had committed the sin -he felt guilt meaning He infact knew not to do what he did.

So 2 men - Abel obeyed God, bringing before Him his best and was declared righteous for his obedience whereas Cain disobeyed God by killing his brother, and was condemned a murder as a result of his disobedience.

Once again we see that faith refers even in this case to obedience of God's commandments whereas sin is disobedience of God's commandments.

jesusjnr2020:
God's Grace Is Not Sufficient For The Wicked But For The Righteous And Sinner That Repents

* God's grace was sufficient for righteous Abel to be approved of God but not enough for wicked Cain. Gen 4:3-8, Matthew 23:35.

God bless.

Jay Jay O.

John1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
the above verse didn't say the sin of the righteous alone but the sin of the whole world.
pls we should stop twisting His Word.
very dangerous.

ichuka:
John1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
the above verse didn't say the sin of the righteous alone but the sin of the whole world.
pls we should stop twisting His Word.
very dangerous.

It's appears you're too blind to see the part that says "the sinners that repent". Maybe to you the sins of all the wicked burning in hell presently were not part of those Jesus came to die for. The reason they still went to hell, is because despite that Jesus took away the sins of the world, the wicked or sinner who doesn't repent would not benefit of it.

Trust me, I'm very patient to wait to find out which of us were actually twisting the Word of God. The likes of you justifying the wicked, and undermining the importance of righteousness... or those of us justifying the righteous and emphasizing the importance of righteousness...

I really hope to see you at the end when that happens. At least we don't have much time left before that takes place.

In the meantime, here's another proof that God's grace is not sufficient for the wicked and workers of iniquity who don't repent!

Matthew 13:41 (KJV)

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

jesusjnr2020:
It's appears you're too blind to see the part that says "the sinners that repent". Maybe to you the sins of all the wicked burning in hell presently were not part of those Jesus came to die for. The reason they still went to hell, is because despite that Jesus took away the sins of the world, the wicked or sinner who doesn't repent would not benefit of it.

Trust me, I'm very patient to wait to find out which of us were actually twisting the Word of God. The likes of you justifying the wicked, and undermining the importance of righteousness... or those of us justifying the righteous and emphasizing the importance of righteousness...

I really hope to see you at the end when that happens. At least we don't have much time left before that takes place.

In the meantime, here's another proof that God's grace is not sufficient for the wicked and workers of iniquity who don't repent!

Matthew 13:41 (KJV)

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Jesus told the Pharisees(the religious pple calming Holiness and righteousness then)
in Matt:22:29 ....Matthew 22:29
But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God.
dude Jesus Christ is the summation of the whole bible..meaning its the Gospel of Jesus Christ which is also the Gospel of Grace.
any other form of preaching out side His Gospel has nothing to do with him.

Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!
we should be very careful of twisting.

ichuka:

Jesus told the Pharisees(the religious pple calming Holiness and righteousness then)
in Matt:22:29 ....Matthew 22:29
But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God.
dude Jesus Christ is the summation of the whole bible..meaning its the Gospel of Jesus Christ which is also the Gospel of Grace.
any other form of preaching out side His Gospel has nothing to do with him.

Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!
we should be very careful of twisting.

The worst form of blindness is the blindness of one's blindness.

The worst form of ignorance is the ignorance of one's ignorance.

It's ironic that the workers of iniquity see the instance of their fellow workers of iniquity called the Pharisees, as the perfect excuse to justify their own works of iniquity, because they were claiming "holiness and righteousness".

So they would now be using it to accuse those who were truly righteous as Job, the disciples of Jesus, etc., of being self-righteous when they claimed to be righteous.

That's how the same person you agreed with, on one of my related threads, concerning this your erroneous ideas also called Job a man who God justified, "self-righteous" and justified his wicked friends who accused him of such.

You quoted a curse a fellow brethren, Paul, spoke about, but you appear ignorant of that which comes from God directly to those who accuse righteous falsely, as the wicked friends of Job who the likes of you were obviously no different from?

You should read the book of Job to see the wrath of God which awaits people like you if you don't repent and ask for mercy.

Continue accusing the righteous falsely as the wicked friends of Job did, one day you'd have to answer to the Redeemer of the righteous!

jesusjnr2020:
The worst form of blindness is the blindness of one's blindness.

The worst form of ignorance is the ignorance of one's ignorance.

It's ironic that the workers of iniquity see the instance of their fellow workers of iniquity called the Pharisees, as the perfect excuse to justify their own works of iniquity, because they were claiming "holiness and righteousness".

So they would now be using it to accuse those who were truly righteous as Job, the disciples of Jesus, etc., of being self-righteous when they claimed to be righteous.

That's how the same person you agreed with, on one of my related threads, concerning this your erroneous ideas also called Job a man who God justified, "self-righteous" and justified his wicked friends who accused him of such.

You quoted a curse a fellow brethren, Paul, spoke about, but you appear ignorant of that which comes from God directly to those who accuse righteous falsely, as the wicked friends of Job who the likes of you were obviously no different from?

You should read the book of Job to see the wrath of God which awaits people like you if you don't repent and ask for mercy.

Continue accusing the righteous falsely as the wicked friends of Job did, one day you'd have to answer to the Redeemer of the righteous!

dude was Job righteous before God or men in the beginning?
if he was righteous before God why must he suffer those affliction?
my problem with pple like you is that you don't want to SIT DOWN at the Master's feet and learn(not my feet oo
but Christ feet).
God was so embarrass by Job ways that He started looking for a way to deal with Job.
because Job believe that sacrificing animals everyday has become his way of paying for any sinful debts of his family.
go and read Job chapter 42 then come back if you have accepted Christ fully then we discuss.
Remembered Job said in Job 42:6..
Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes."
lol so your righteous man is repenting?from what actually.
abeg..seems am done here.
your type don't know the difference BTW the Kingdom of God and Eternal Life.they always mix/twist both together.
the gospel Job was preaching then same you and your likes are doing today.

ichuka:

dude was Job righteous before God or men in the beginning?
if he was righteous before God why must he suffer those affliction?
my problem with pple like you is that you don't want to SIT DOWN at the Master's feet and learn(not my feet oo
but Christ feet).
God was so embarrass by Job ways that He started looking for a way to deal with Job.
because Job believe that sacrificing animals everyday has become his way of paying for any sinful debts of his family.
go and read Job chapter 42 then come back if you have accepted Christ fully then we discuss.
Remembered Job said in Job 42:6..
Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes."
lol so your righteous man is repenting?from what actually.
abeg..seems am done here.
your type don't know the difference BTW the Kingdom of God and Eternal Life.they always mix/twist both together.
the gospel Job was preaching then same you and your likes are doing today.

My God!

I knew you were walking in error and ignorance of the Truth, but never knew it was this bad. Am I surprised? Certainly not, because out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks!

Thank you for justifying the gospel I preach here by the bolded, because this is what God had to say about that gospel which Job preached and that which the wicked friends of Job preached which is the same the likes of you preach.

Please pay particular attention to the bolded...

"My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.
Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job." Job 42:7-8

If the gospel Job preached was wrong in God's sight then why did God say not once but twice that it was right, but that which the wicked friends of Job preached was wrong?

You can see how their gospel kindled the wrath of God, that Job whom you falsely accuse had to pray for them, otherwise they would have seen hell, and the likes of you are no different from the wicked friends of Job, so unless you repent, expect no less from God.

You seem to be ignorant of the difference between the kind of conversation that ensues between God and His own, and that which He has with those of the world. What you saw in Job 42 was a private family matter and conversation, just like it used to happen between Jesus and His disciples, where He would admonish His disciples in private but defend and justify them before their false accusers as the Pharisees.

You're obviously walking in gross error and the worst part is that you're ignorant of that...

You imply that Job wasn't righteous in God's sight hence his affliction just like his wicked friends falsely accused him, but this is what God Himself said of Job to the devil, to prove that Jesus had nothing to do with this false idea of yours but the devil.

Job 2:3 (KJV)

And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

It's your choice to continue walking in gross error if you want, but at least you would have no one else to blame but yourself when you appear before the God of the righteous who you falsely accuse as the wicked friends of Job did, because your error was clearly proven to you with God's own Words which emanated from His mouth!

Later you'd speak about how dangerous it was to twist God's Word, but here you are, clearly doing that and much worse.

You seriously need help spiritually speaking.

jesusjnr2020:
My God!

I knew you were walking in error and ignorance of the Truth, but never knew it was this bad. Am I surprised? Certainly not, because out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks!

Thank you for justifying the gospel I preach here by the bolded, because this is what God had to say about that gospel which Job preached and that which the wicked friends of Job preached which is the same the likes of you preach.

Please pay particular attention to the bolded...

"My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.
Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job." Job 42:7-8

If the gospel Job preached was wrong in God's sight then why did God say not once but twice that it was right, but that which the wicked friends of Job preached was wrong?

You can see how their gospel kindled the wrath of God, that Job whom you falsely accuse had to pray for them, otherwise they would have seen hell, and the likes of you are no different from the wicked friends of Job, so unless you repent, expect no less from God.

You seem to be ignorant of the difference between the kind of conversation that ensues between God and His own, and that which He has with those of the world. What you saw in Job 42 was a private family matter and conversation, just like it used to happen between Jesus and His disciples, where He would admonish His disciples in private but defend and justify them before their false accusers as the Pharisees.

You're obviously walking in gross error and the worst part is that you're ignorant of that...

You imply that Job wasn't righteous in God's sight hence his affliction just like his wicked friends falsely accused him, but this is what God Himself said of Job to the devil, to prove that Jesus had nothing to do with this false idea of yours but the devil.

Job 2:3 (KJV)

And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

It's your choice to continue walking in gross error if you want, but at least you would have no one else to blame but yourself when you appear before the God of the righteous who you falsely accuse as the wicked friends of Job did, because your error was clearly proven to you with God's own Words which emanated from His mouth!

Later you'd speak about how dangerous it was to twist God's Word, but here you are, clearly doing that and much worse.

You seriously need help spiritually speaking.

Job.19:25..
I know that my redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand on the earth.
Job.42:6..Job 42:6
[6]Therefore I retract, And I repent in dust and ashes." God Displeased with Job\'s Friends.
why is Job looking for a Redeemer if he's righteous before God?
2.what is he repenting from if he's righteous before God.
stop twisting Gods Word am saying these for the last time.

ichuka:

Job.19:25..
I know that my redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand on the earth.
Job.42:6..Job 42:6
[6]Therefore I retract, And I repent in dust and ashes." God Displeased with Job\'s Friends.
why is Job looking for a Redeemer if he's righteous before God?
2.what is he repenting from if he's righteous before God.
stop twisting Gods Word am saying these for the last time.

What's the Word of God here? Is it not what God said about Job?

God said what Job said was right, so you're obviously the one speaking lies about Job and falsely accusing him here. Let God's Word be true, let that of every man which goes contrary to His Word be a lie.

I'm done with this blind argument, so feel free to believe whatever you like but the Truth remains that the Word of God can never be altered by any man!

jesusjnr2020:
What's the Word of God here? Is is not what God said about Job?

God said what Job said was right, so you're obviously the one speaking lies about Job and falsely accusing him here. Let God's Word be true, let that of every man which goes contrary to His Word be a lie.

I'm done with this blind argument, so feel free to believe whatever you like but the Truth remains that the Word of God can never be altered by any man!

lol
God say Job was right after he repented in dust and ashes.
continue in your twisting.
am done here.

The righteousness series continues shortly...

Kobojunkiee:
Unmerited Favour from God who is not a God of favouritism?

The grace of God in Jesus Christ refers instead to the eternal life granted to those who are saved from the condemnation of sin(Death). Those who receive this eternal life(grace) then have the option of spending it in either of the two destinations within the Kingdom .

Those you say where deemed righteous from the time of Old were in fact granted eternal life(grace) because of their obedience of God's commandments, statues and rules. Abraham, for example, was declared righteous by God, in Genesis 26 vs 1-5 , because he, Abraham, trusted and obeyed God's commands, rules and statutes, same as the other examples of righteous men in the Bible... even Jesus Christ trusted and obeyed God and was seen as righteous by His followers as a result.

There is nothing like "unmerited" favour where God is concerned since God does not consider us in terms of whether we merit or deserve what He offers us. He is our creator and it would be benefit a faithful God to think in such a manner towards His creation, don't you think? It is humans who think in that fashion... God however is far above that mentality.

Did I hear you say Abraham was declared righteous because he obeyed all God's commands?
Abraham that lied about his wife TWICE, and not on one occasion did we see him go back to God to say sorry. Yet God defended him amidst the lies.
Abraham that doubted God's promise that he will have a child.
Sarah, his wife, lied before God, even when God confronted her, yet God didn't destroy her or withdraw the promise she will have a child.

Time and time again, Abraham showed weaknesses, and sin, and Bible didn't hide it, just so we know his righteousness was by faith, not by what he did or did not do.

Let's not even open Jacob's chapter. Not many could try half of the atrocities Jacob committed in his time and go scotfree. In fact, it's like after each sin, God will appear to Jacob to remind him of His ever presence, and not once did God ever make mention of their sins to them

If that's not unmerited grace or "favouritism", I wonder what else is.

But it's not favouritism because we know if you believe in Jesus like them, you will equally get same measure of God's support like they did

Kobojunkiee:
Unmerited Favour from God who is not a God of favouritism?

The grace of God in Jesus Christ refers instead to the eternal life granted to those who are saved from the condemnation of sin(Death). Those who receive this eternal life(grace) then have the option of spending it in either of the two destinations within the Kingdom .

Those you say where deemed righteous from the time of Old were in fact granted eternal life(grace) because of their obedience of God's commandments, statues and rules. Abraham, for example, was declared righteous by God, in Genesis 26 vs 1-5 , because he, Abraham, trusted and obeyed God's commands, rules and statutes, same as the other examples of righteous men in the Bible... even Jesus Christ trusted and obeyed God and was seen as righteous by His followers as a result.

There is nothing like "unmerited" favour where God is concerned since God does not consider us in terms of whether we merit or deserve what He offers us. He is our creator and it would be benefit a faithful God to think in such a manner towards His creation, don't you think? It is humans who think in that fashion... God however is far above that mentality.

Hear Bible right away

Rom 4:2-9 EasyEnglish 2 God did not accept Abraham because Abraham had done good things. If God had done that, then Abraham would have been able to say great things about himself. He would have been able to say how good he himself was. But Abraham had no reason to say that to God. 3 Remember what the Old Testament says. It says: ‘Abraham believed God and, as a result, God accepted Abraham as right with himself.’ 4 When a person works to get money, he ought to receive his money. Nobody thinks that the money is a gift. It is what that person ought to receive as a result of his work. 5 But nobody can do any work that will make himself right with God. Instead, he must believe God, who accepts bad people as right with himself. And because a person believes God, then God will accept that person as right. 6 David also wrote about the same thing. He described how happy God can cause people to be. God will accept people as right with himself even when they have not done good things. 7 David says: ‘Those people that God has forgiven are really happy. They have not always obeyed God, but he has forgiven them. God has taken away the wrong things that those people have done. 8 A person is really happy when the Lord accepts him. Because the Lord will not continue to remember the wrong things that the person has done. 9 All people can be really happy like this, whether they are Jews or not. God told only the Jews to circumcise each other. He did not tell the people who are not Jews to circumcise each other. But God will accept any person. God accepted Abraham as right with him because Abraham believed God. That is what we have been saying.

kayuseful:
Did I hear you say Abraham was declared righteous because he obeyed all God's commands?
Abraham that lied about his wife TWICE, and not on one occasion did we see him go back to God to say sorry. Yet God defended him amidst the lies.
Abraham that doubted God's promise that he will have a child.
Sarah, his wife, lied before God, even when God confronted her, yet God didn't destroy her or withdraw the promise she will have a child.

Time and time again, Abraham showed weaknesses, and sin, and Bible didn't hide it, just so we know his righteousness was by faith, not by what he did or did not do.

Recall that the 10 commandments/laws that you and I know of today came in almost 500 years after Abraham's death, so it is meaningless to try to judge him by laws that God, the one who defines sin to begin with, never gave to Abraham. What we do know, from God's own mouth though is that Abraham obeyed the commands, rule and statutes that God did give Him, and so God declared him, Abraham, righteous, as a result.

Genesis 26 vs 1-5 (ERV)
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1. Now there was a famine. This was like the famine that happened during Abraham’s life. So Isaac went to the town of Gerar, to King Abimelech of the Philistines.
2. The Lord spoke to Isaac and said, “Don’t go down to Egypt. Live in the land that I commanded you to live in.
3. Stay in this land, and I will be with you. I will bless you. I will give you and your family all these lands. I will do what I promised to Abraham your father.
4. I will make your family as many as the stars of heaven, and I will give all these lands to your family. Through your descendants[a] every nation on earth will be blessed.
5. I will do this because your father Abraham obeyed my words and did what I said. He obeyed my commands, my laws, and my rules.”

Abraham was not a "special" case, but instead, a man who obeyed God's commandments, just like the many other righteous men before him, and those of today are required to - God's standard as far as righteousness is concerned remains the same.

kayuseful:
Let's not even open Jacob's chapter. Not many could try half of the atrocities Jacob committed in his time and go scotfree. In fact, it's like after each sin, God will appear to Jacob to remind him of His ever presence, and not once did God ever make mention of their sins to them
If that's not unmerited grace or "favouritism", I wonder what else is.

Again, Jacob existed about over 400 years before the 10 commandments/laws which you think to judge him by, so, more meaninglessness. God is the one who gives the law and He decides for His own, what sin is - Sin is disobedience of God's commandments, statutes, and rules. Just as it is meaningless, even today, to try to judge a Jew(Old Covenant) by the Christian standard of sin(New Covenant), it is equally meaningless to attempt to judge those who lived before the Law of Moses by the Law of Moses.

Instead, they, Abraham and Jacob, were judged by the commandments given them of God, which we know nothing of the details of. But what we do know is that according to the one who is Law and Judge and Righteousness Himself, these men obeyed the commandments, statutes, and rules given then and so were declared righteous as a result.

kayuseful:
But it's not favouritism because we know if you believe in Jesus like them, you will equally get same measure of God's support like they did

The "same measure of God's support"?

Every human being, from the time of Adam, has always gotten the "same measure of God's support" that you believe was given to Abraham and also to Jacob. God poured out His grace on all of mankind, not just on a few people.... again... God is not a God of favoritism! Sadly, not every human being from the time of Adam made the decision to trust and obey God, so not all wear declared righteous by God. This is not to say that Abraham and Jacob were the only righteous men in their time. There were many righteous, only the stories of these two men is what is written of in this story about God.

However, in the person of Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, God offers us even more support, above and beyond that you believe Abraham and Jacob had. Yes, in Jesus Christ, we are being offered more support than Abraham and Jacob combined. This because we have Helpers - the "Spirit of Truth" and the "Spirit of God" both of whom will live inside of those who submit to, and obey Him.

Even those of the Old Covenant(Law of Moses) who lived "anointed" of God did not receive the kind of support we have been given in Jesus Christ. The old anointings were less permanent in nature as those who were anointed seemed to wield full control over themselves and their decisions still. However, in His New Covenant, God declared that He would implant His Spirit inside of His own and control them, causing them to obey His commandments.

Ezekiel 36 vs 24-30 (ESV)
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24. “I will take you out of those nations, gather you together, and bring you back to your own land.
25. Then I will sprinkle pure water on you and make you pure. I will wash away all your filth, the filth from those nasty idols, and I will make you pure.
26. I will also put a new spirit in you to change your way of thinking. I will take out the heart of stone from your body and give you a tender, human heart.
27. I will put my Spirit inside you[c] and change you so that you will obey my laws. You will carefully obey my commands.
28. Then you will live in the land that I gave to your ancestors. You will be my people, and I will be your God.
29. Also, I will save you and keep you from becoming unclean. I will command the grain to grow. I will not bring a famine against you.
30. I will give you large crops of fruit from your trees and the harvest from your fields so that you will never again feel the shame of being hungry in a foreign country.
31. You will remember the bad things you did. You will remember that those things were not good. Then you will hate yourselves because of your sins and the terrible things you did.”

So, if your goal in Jesus Christ is what God gave Abraham and Jacob, you are lowballing!