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The Seventh-day Adventist Church by Eviana(f): 1:47pm On Apr 12
Since I joined this site approximately (4) years and some months ago, I never openly declared my church affiliation.
I would subtly allude to it, yet not outrightly state it. There was a reason for that.

So now I see that "now" is the time to speak.
Actually, what happened was a blessing in disguise....
Someone once said, "Don't let anyone spray YOU with your OWN TRUTH!"

Several errors were recently stated in this section (yesterday) by a powerful N.L. member in regards to the Seventh- day Adventist church and a prominent figure of it.
So it is my honor, priviledge and duty to correct those errors in this section and spray the truth.

There are people here who know have every bit of personal info on me, my family and relatives and have tracked me (unfortunately by illegal means and will have to answer to God for what they have done....you all need to stop now while you have grace..I'm telling you).
So I am a very real person....with a very real life.

While the persons monitor, I'd like to remind every human that is here on this site, that God is watching us all!

So that gives me peace and courage to write.

What I intend to do is give a brief (perhaps a few threads or so) intro about

1). my journey into this particular denomination
2). some insight into its origins, its relationship to Christ and the bible, the founders, and what the denomination is NOT

By the end of this thread, I (in no means) expect all people (Christians and non) to accept any of what I wrote.
It is the duty of the interested, or naysayer to pray to God and allow the Holy Spirit to speak...

This thread isn't for all folks to read.
So if offended or incensed by the subject, please ignore.

I want to thank (2) people for unknowingly inspiring me to come forth and be not afraid....
Sincere blessings to all
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by Eviana(f): 11:17pm On Apr 12
Part 2

I was not raised in Adventism and had little to no knowledge of it--except that a former hairdresser was one.
All I knew was that she attended church on "Saturday". I thought it was weird and that was that. I was young and didn't care much for anything "church- related" anyhow.
Religion was the furthest thing from my mind although I lived a sheltered life.
I knew "of" God, but didn't really "know" Him....had no personal relationship. I said the usual mechanical meal and bed-time prayers, but that was it.

It was not until I was in my last semester of graduate school (in my early 20's--away from home) that I would experience Christ in a way that would transform me.

All throughout my (4) undergraduate years in college, I went to church three times: twice with a college organization and once with a friend. Each time was uneventful and rather annoying.

I began graduate school and something occurred in my life that made me give pause.....(to want to thank God--surprisingly) for the situation. I had a surprising urge to want to go to church and thank Him. I wasn't a fan of church--yet I knew that I needed to give God thanks for the situation.

So I started attending various churches on Sunday. I didn't want to attend one like the one I was raised in....nor did I want to attend the other popular mainstream denominations. Eventually, I found a non-denominational church that was quite popular in the area and started attending for about 1 month.

Then began my quest to find the right church for me (the one God wanted me to attend) which included me checking out a book with over 1,000 denominations at the time to being positioned at my university to meet two different people (in two different ways on campus--separate classes) who both later became my good friends and who unbeknownst to me attended the church where I would eventually get baptized! The special thing is that neither one even knew that I was talking to the other that semester!
We didn't all find out about each other until I showed up at church service!

That was further confirmation by God that I was in the place He had led me to.

It was one of the most exciting times in my life thus far....
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by Eviana(f): 10:13pm On Apr 13
Part 3

Joining a new denomination is only a portionof being born-again through Christ Jesus.
This may shock some, but I lived a very (by the world's standards) pure life. I didn't smoke, drink, do drugs party, wasn't sexually promiscuous etc..
YET I had "0" relationship with Christ. Didn't know Him and not quite sure I wanted to....
Maybe I was comfortable (or so I thought) with having a "book knowledge" of a supernatural force but not really wanting to go deeper.
I definitely liked my life the way it was....enjoying my freedom, doing my own thing and not attending church.

Now, I was not a saint simply because the Word tells us that ALL have sinned and fallen short...(Romans 3:23).
I also didn't do the above mentioned things, but I definitely messed up in other areas...pride, gossiping, malice, unforgiveness, loving worldly movies, inappropriate tv and music etc..
Just making sure I was feeding my mind with the love of the world...and nothing of the Lord.
It was normal though...nothing different than what most other people did.
I begrudgingly went to church every Sunday because I had to....simply.
I even tried to fake sleeping many times in a bid to somehow stall my family from having to go.
Never worked....
Do you know that the only music I never wanted to listen to was "gospel/Christian" music? I made it very clear to my family that I didn't want to hear that when we were riding in the car to church on Sundays. I would even choose opera over it. I just couldn't relate to it cause the songs had no meaning to me.
Goes to show that what we listen to daily is what influences us.
One can't love the world (6) days a week and then switch over to God on (1) day. It doesn't work like that.
However and ironically enough, hymns and godly Christian songs are the only music I listen to now....lol.
That's why I'm slowly learning to "never say never" about some things.

It amazes me sometimes how I could go from not really wanting God..to having a desire to acknowledge Him for a great situation? It shows me that He was drawing me in....saw something in me that needed to be introduced to Him. There was enough of a seed planted by my parents....even if it wasn't a priority for me. Loving me and gently calling me while yet a sinner.....that's amazing love....from the One can only do it perfectly.

So I say all of that to say that God draws us to Him....it is His spirit that lovingly calls out to us....to meet Him and get to know Him first.
I had been attending the non-denominational church for a month, met a friend and decided that the next week I would get baptized there.
I wanted a church home and decided to choose that one, but I felt that something was a little off....for me there.
During my uncertainty at the time, I rented the book from the library on finding a denomination, read through it and became even more confused and so I returned it the next day and simply said this to God in prayer: "God, where do you want me to go?"
Remember I wasn't really into God and I certainly went to bed at night without saying any prayer daily.
Yet, at this moment in time here I was attending church and now praying!
Know that when a simple prayer like that is done so with a sincere heart....of which God will know, be prepared to receive an answer that oftentimes may surprise you!
God's ways oftentimes are not our ways..."what" and "how" we, humans, think situations should happen many times go opposite with God's leading. Lesson I'm still learning.

Before I speak about my denomination, I want to make something very clear: a relationship with Christ is the most important thing in this Christian journey.
The journey onward to the eventual stop (Eternal Kingdom of Heaven), includes growth and experiences.
Having a relationship with Christ means that not only is He one's friend & Savior, but He is Lord over that person's life..He knows what's best and requires obedience to His word and direction.....
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by Judybash93(m): 11:30pm On Apr 13
I was born into the church and my grandparents as well as my parent on both sides are deeply rooted in the teachings of the church. I am no longer a member of the church neither am i religious anymore.
You've presented your personal experiences and you've also highlighted a number of coincidences which i think may not really be enough to support the authenticity of the church because i think you could have felt this elsewhere.
My question is, how can one use 'feelings' as a way to justify the truth or even the existence of God?

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Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by Eviana(f): 2:07am On Apr 15
Judybash93,
I'm really sorry that you left Christ...cause there is where your joy, hope and peace lie.
People leave denominations all of the time.....and will until the end of time...
My words alone don't make something "authentic". What makes something "authentic" is when an experience has occurred. I am writing about my life-changing experience and it is up to searching individuals to seek the face of God, pray sincerely and ask the Holy Spirit to guide into truth.
This was not about "feelings" but moreso about the leading of the Holy Spirit....knowing I was longing for something more (although I couldn't fully understand it all) and ready to have Him lead me.
I did attend many "elsewhere's" and my "elsewhere" is what I'm writing about right now.
Sir, honestly none of this (what I wrote) will make sense to you until you return to Him.
Please re-read the last paragraph on my very first post on this thread ok?

Part 4
Seventh day Adventism has been described as a "cult" and "false religious group" numerous times...sometimes ignorantly (because people just don't know) and other times deliberately (as a means to discredit).
We are labelled in the same boat as the other (2) quite infamous groups.

Perhaps, one of the reasons is because the three of us do certain types of "door-to-door" literature evangelism. Perhaps it's because each group has a "founder" or prominent figure. I've gotten mistaken many times for another group and had the door slammed in my face. Other times, I've been asked if I am a member of "such and such" before the person will go further with any discussion.
It hurts and is saddening because no one wants to get rejected.

However, I totally understand hesitancy and apprehension about not knowing much about something. In this case, a denomination with a weird name and who worship on the most popular day of the week.
I get it.
I was very apprehensive when the answer to my prayer was the Seventh-day Adventist church.
I clearly remember saying (audibly) in my room to God, "This can't be right!" "God when I prayed that prayer to you, I meant a church on Sunday!" "You mean to tell me Saturday?" "How can this be?" "The most popular day of the week?" "This is not gonna work."

Well....clearly it did work cause after I visited (1) time--my first time--the moment I stepped foot in the church I knew that it was the church I was supposed to be in and I have not regretted it one time...honestly.

So what do we believe?
Below is the official statement of the world church.

Seventh-day Adventists accept the Bible as their only creed and hold certain fundamental beliefs to be the teaching of the Holy Scriptures. These beliefs, as set forth here, constitute the church’s understanding and expression of the teaching of Scripture.

The BIBLE is the ultimate authority of the church.
Also "28" fundamental beliefs (scripturally based) comprise those beliefs...which I will list on my next post.

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Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by Judybash93(m): 3:21pm On Apr 15
Eviana:
Judybash93,
I'm really sorry that you left Christ...cause there is where your joy, hope and peace lie.
People leave denominations all of the time.....and will until the end of time...
My words alone don't make something "authentic". What makes something "authentic" is when an experience has occurred. I am writing about my life-changing experience and it is up to searching individuals to seek the face of God, pray sincerely and ask the Holy Spirit to guide into truth.
This was not about "feelings" but moreso about the leading of the Holy Spirit....knowing I was longing for something more (although I couldn't fully understand it all) and ready to have Him lead me.
I did attend many "elsewhere's" and my "elsewhere" is what I'm writing about right now.
Sir, honestly none of this (what I wrote) will make sense to you until you return to Him.
Please re-read the last paragraph on my very first post on this thread ok?

Part 4
Seventh day Adventism has been described as a "cult" and "false religious group" numerous times...sometimes ignorantly (because people just don't know) and other times deliberately (as a means to discredit).
We are labelled in the same boat as the other (2) quite infamous groups.

Perhaps, one of the reasons is because the three of us do certain types of "door-to-door" literature evangelism. Perhaps it's because each group has a "founder" or prominent figure. I've gotten mistaken many times for another group and had the door slammed in my face. Other times, I've been asked if I am a member of "such and such" before the person will go further with any discussion.
It hurts and is saddening because no one wants to get rejected.

However, I totally understand hesitancy and apprehension about not knowing much about something. In this case, a denomination with a weird name and who worship on the most popular day of the week.
I get it.
I was very apprehensive when the answer to my prayer was the Seventh-day Adventist church.
I clearly remember saying (audibly) in my room to God, "This can't be right!" "God when I prayed that prayer to you, I meant a church on Sunday!" "You mean to tell me Saturday?" "How can this be?" "The most popular day of the week?" "This is not gonna work."

Well....clearly it did work cause after I visited (1) time--my first time--the moment I stepped foot in the church I knew that it was the church I was supposed to be in and I have not regretted it one time...honestly.

So what do we believe?
Below is the official statement of the world church.

Seventh-day Adventists accept the Bible as their only creed and hold certain fundamental beliefs to be the teaching of the Holy Scriptures. These beliefs, as set forth here, constitute the church’s understanding and expression of the teaching of Scripture.

The BIBLE is the ultimate authority of the church.
Also "28" fundamental beliefs (scripturally based) comprise those beliefs...which I will list on my next post.

Lol... Ma'am, i was almost on my way to studying Theology because that was what my family thought was my calling. I was in the AYS and was well involved in almost all church activities. By the way, i had all my education in Adventist schools expect for when i went for my master's elsewhere so i really know the church as i said earlier. My charge came when i started questioning the things we believe. You hold the Bible as the authentic word of God. How can you prove that? How do we know that God was the one the inspired the book? By saying the when you stepped into the church you knew right away that that was the church for you. How did you come to this conclusion? As per the 24 fundamental believes of the church, how can you demonstrate that these believes are even true?
The basic thing i have against religion is the absence of evidence whiles enforcing beliefs in church goers.. So, the same way a Jehovah witness would defend their church is the same in the SDA church. Another similarity of the absence of evidence though. I used to go from house to house too. I really want to go back in order to apologize to those i led into the church.
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by Eviana(f): 12:59pm On Apr 16
Part 5

I will list the first (14) beliefs and then the second (14) beliefs in another post...

Each belief is accompanied by an explanation & multiple scripture references. However, for the sake of space and not wanting to overwhelm any reader, I will put a link at the end for anyone who wants to look at our official page to see each scripture reference.

1.) The Holy Scriptures
2.) The Godhead (Commonly called the Trinity)
3.) God the Father
4). God the Son (Jesus Christ)
5.) God the Holy Spirit
6). Creation
7). Nature of Humanity
8. The Great Controversy
9.) The Life, Death & Resurrection of Jesus Christ
10). The Experience of Salvation
11). Growing in Christ
12). The Church
13). The Remnant & Its Mission
14). Unity in the Body of Christ
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by Eviana(f): 1:01pm On Apr 16
Part 6-
Second half of the (28) fundamental beliefs

15.) Baptism
16). The Lord's Supper (Communion)
17.) Spiritual Gifts & Ministries
18.) The Gift of Prophecy
19.) The Law of God
20.) The Sabbath
21.) Stewardship
22.) Christian Behavior
23.) Marriage & the Family
24.) Christ' Ministry in the Heavely Sanctuary
25.) The Second Coming of
Christ
26.) Death & Ressurection
27.) The Millenium & The End of Sin
28.) The New Earth


https://www.adventist.org/beliefs/


That's a whole lot. Such topics require a more in-depth study, which I  am still learning, but which comprise the entire bible! All of the listed beliefs are real and right there in the bible.
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by PeaceJoyLove: 2:18pm On Apr 16
Doctrines are the seeds of disunity the devil sowed in the body of Christ. All denominations: Apostolic, RCCG, Winners, Baptist, Methodist, Anglican, Catholic, Jehovah Witnesses, 7th Day Adventist, etc have huge roots, stems, branches, leaves, and fruits of this well established disunity. If you really want to know God, be extra careful how you align yourself with these terrible seeds. What I am confident about is: There are no denominations and doctrines in the body of Christ. But the demons working on these things blind their victims and even empower them to use all their strength and might to push doctrines forward. If you want to find the loop holes in any denomination, just look at the so called beliefs. You will see them clearly. Hmmmm.... 28 indeed. Hmmmm.

May God help us at this end time. God bless you all. Amen!

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Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by PeaceJoyLove: 1:58am On Apr 18
OP,
I did not mean to stop you from posting. I have no business with you. There are only interdenominational prayer meetings. All churches are under one denomination or the other. My point is that they all included doctrines which are rules and regulations for the church members. The truth is that they all added what favor them and not exactly what God says. What every member is taught is what favor the founders and leaders. It is why JW can die on the teachings they are fed with. Same with you...same with Catholics....same with apostolic. There are some apostolic that will even tell you boldly that only apostolic members will enter the kingdom of God. You use earrings in some apostolic churches, you are a demon. I am.sure you put on jeans pants cos of your culture. Just try and enter some churches here with a pair and see how you will be kicked out like you are a demon. The day you see Christ as the one to look up to and not a denomination is the day you get what I am.saying. When the spirit of God flows, there is no denomination. When you have the Holy Spirit, you will feel the presence of God. So when you go to another denomination and the spirit moves, you will feel Him. You just blend effortlessly. So, I am telling you with 100% assurance that you need the Holy Spirit. You always talk about Him, but you need to know Him personally. You can be SDA ....if you have the Holy Spirit and you are else where, and He flows, hahahhahha.....you will be comfortable where you are. But you want to start a home group cos you cant find your denomination. Lol. You.need Him. Trust me....you need to know Him more. Ha! When you know Him, you just know it. Daily revelation ....daily direction.....daily guidance....no more guess work.

Lady, when you dont find your denomination in a new place, the Holy Spirit will guide you and tell you what to do. Not you decide for yourself. I lauhged so hard when i read your post. And I said...this is a real person who has been fed doctrine and she thinks she is all in all in the doctrine.

My apologies if I interrupted you. But I must say what the Holy Spirit sent me. You are a vessel in God's hand. Fear of leaving your nation or your city/state, and the attachment to a denomination (we all have where we belong to) ,have held you back too long. May Jesus speak directly to your heart.

I am out of this thread..

Goodluck.

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Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by PeaceJoyLove: 8:24pm On Apr 18
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Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by Eviana(f): 6:23pm On Apr 22
Moderators, is it permissible for me to continue my thead please? I wasn't finished posting.
Please help me to know how to avoid any future ban?
I would sincerely and surely appreciate it.
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by PeaceJoyLove: 8:36pm On Apr 22
Eviana:

Moderators, is it permissible for me to continue my thead please? I wasn't finished posting.
Please help me to know how to avoid any future ban?
I would sincerely and surely appreciate it.

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Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by eviana3(f): 1:48pm On Apr 26
I'm seriously confused.
I emailed moderators (privately over a week ago) & openly asked last week on this thread what am I doing wrong that's causing a ban?
I really wanted to finish posting.
I attempted to post and banned immediately.
If you guys don't want me posting anymore on my thread on this topic, please just let me know and I will attempt it no more.


Thank you guys...
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by BassReeves: 9:03pm On Apr 26
PeaceJoyLove:
Doctrines are the seeds of disunity the devil sowed in the body of Christ. All denominations: Apostolic, RCCG, Winners, Baptist, Methodist, Anglican, Catholic, Jehovah Witnesses, 7th Day Adventist, etc have huge roots, stems, branches, leaves, and fruits of this well established disunity. If you really want to know God, be extra careful how you align yourself with these terrible seeds. What I am confident about is: There are no denominations and doctrines in the body of Christ. But the demons working on these things blind their victims and even empower them to use all their strength and might to push doctrines forward. If you want to find the loop holes in any denomination, just look at the so called beliefs. You will see them clearly. Hmmmm.... 28 indeed. Hmmmm.

May God help us at this end time. God bless you all. Amen!
I am unable to improve any further this short, succinct post, so I was left to just like it.

eviana3:
I'm seriously confused.
I emailed moderators (privately over a week ago) & openly asked last week on this thread what am I doing wrong that's causing a ban?
I really wanted to finish posting.
I attempted to post and banned immediately.
If you guys don't want me posting anymore on my thread on this topic, please just let me know and I will attempt it no more.


Thank you guys...
1 Corinthians 14:33a
'... God is not a God of confusion ...'

2 Timothy 1:7
'For God did not give us a spirit of timidity or cowardice or fear,
but [He has given us a spirit] of power and of love and of sound judgment
and personal discipline [abilities that result in a calm, well-balanced mind and self-control].
'
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by eviana3(f): 12:51am On Apr 27
BassReeves:


1 Corinthians 14:33a
'... God is not a God of confusion ...'

2 Timothy 1:7
'For God did not give us a spirit of timidity or cowardice or fear,
but [He has given us a spirit] of power and of love and of sound judgment
and personal discipline [abilities that result in a calm, well-balanced mind and self-control].
'


Yes, so if it's not God causing the confusion, then you and me know exactly who it is.
So after your scripture quoting in regards to my question, I take it that your answer is "no"....?
You do "not" want me to post anymore on this here my thread...correct?
It's okay guys....really it is.
I will accept the outcome...no need for anything else.

Mr. Reeves,
By the way, I love straightforward-ness......you know direct-ness....not speaking in circles.....thanks sir.
Nice hearing from you.....it's been a minute since our last "amiable" encounter on a thread a month or so ago.
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by BassReeves: 6:44am On Apr 27
eviana3:
Yes, so if it's not God causing the confusion, then you and me know exactly who it is.
Tbh with you, in response to your 'I'm seriously confused' comment, all I know, is that, God is not the author of you being seriously confused. On top that, God, is a God of clarity

eviana3:
So after your scripture quoting in regards to my question, I take it that your answer is "no"....?
You do "not" want me to post anymore on this here my thread...correct?
You are wrong in your judgment, as my answer, as always is 'Thy Will be done' besides, that, as a matter of fact, I have wield no influence nor have any say, in approving whether you post or not post

Fyi, I may disagree with what with one, two or three, about some of part of your theology, you have to say, but I'll defend to the death, your right to say it, so meaning, I have no qualms, you post anymore on this here, your so called thread

eviana3:
It's okay guys....really it is.
I will accept the outcome...no need for anything else.
Timing is everything. If anything is meant to happen, it will, at the right time, with the right persons and for the right reasons.

Don't push things, don't force. Let things happen divinely and naturally, as things, will surely happen, if they were meant to be.

eviana3:
Mr. Reeves,
By the way, I love straightforward-ness......you know direct-ness....not speaking in circles.....thanks sir.
Nice hearing from you.....it's been a minute since our last "amiable" encounter on a thread a month or so ago.
Eviana aka eviana3, beloved, I guess in the '...straightforward-ness......you know direct-ness....not speaking in circles....' regards or department, we are kindred spirits then

Nice hearing from you too, though a minute is a long time on NL, anyway, believe me, when, I say, I read all your posts, as best I can

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Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by PeaceJoyLove: 3:26am On Apr 29
OAM4J, you are the only mod here Biko, kindly attend to Eviana. Truly speaking, her posts were erased. I suggest you review with her likely words spam bot detects. I understand you are busy and receive many complains daily. But this is one person who feels she is deliberately victimized. Only you can make her feel welcomed again. She is definitely a fan of NL. And I think you are in the best position to attend to her. Please, Biko, kindly listen to her and just walk her through the process of posting and how to avoid words or phrases spam bot frown at. And may God bless you as you do this. Amen and Thanks!
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by Eviana(f): 12:17am On Apr 30
Hi to all,
I will write nothing further on this thread.
I think it may be best to end it.
I appreciate any help rendered.

I wanted to write about:

1).Ellen G. White
2).The Sabbath day
3). The Sanctuary (Christ' ministry in the Most Holy Place right now)
4).The distinctive message that truly defines the Seventh-day Adventists doctrine (other than just the Sabbath day): which is the "3 Angels message"

In an earlier thread, I left a link to the church's beliefs...so for anyone interested, prayerfully seek the Holy Spirit for understanding.

I leave this thread encouraging anyone curious about the church to always first and foremost seek the Lord Jesus Christ, pray and surrender your life to Him.
Because in the end, remember that it is all about Him and what He has done for us all.
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by Eviana(f): 5:38pm On Apr 30
Folks,

I know that I said that I would write "no further", BUT I wanted to try something --one particular something before I try no more.

I initially created this thread (which I have wanted to do for awhile now----in response to some accusations leveled against the church and me).

All of the things that happened subsequently were a shock to me....and so I attempted to get some clarification and help to rectify the problem. Although I ultimately received no clarification as to correct and avoid any future issue, I decided to end the thread.
Well I've had a moment to think clearly and with something I read this morning, and I want to try one last time. I must try.
It may actually solve something for me.

So without further ado, I would like to write what I wanted to address almost 2 weeks ago today.
This thread is not for one person only...and never was it. When I write, it is and has always been with souls in mind.
It is for those people who are searching.....for truth.
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by eviana3(f): 6:10pm On Apr 30
Confirmed....banning through anger and intimidation.
Thanks guys.....you (3-in-1) moderators.
Guys, because someone differs from you in religion, lifestyle or beliefs and isn't a dangerous threat in any way, doesn't mean that you abuse your power.
You don't suppress someone's right to speak truth.
The constant banning on this thread shows that I have something of extreme importance....think folks.
I know you guys want me gone from here...and to think that me being a foreign born "guest" on a forum which is 50 percent of my Nigerian ethnicity also....I mean "wow". Not a good look...
You guys are towing a dangerous line.

Remember, we will all have to answer for our actions on this earth.
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by KALUUKALUU: 3:13pm On May 02
There is but only one Bride. The Church which Christ is the Head. And He loved her soo much that He gave up His Life for her. In the end Christ shall present her pure and spotless before the Father. There was a time that I was young and naive in the Sda denomination. And I used to try to get people to join Sdaism... Now I know better. Its a long story. I still identify with Sdaism though, but not because of it being the remnant or only True church, we are just a denomination like the others, and with many flaws. Jesus once said that "He would establish His Church upon which the gates of hell would not prevail" But what you see today in the Church is a far cry from what she ought to be. The enwmenemy sneaked in the Church, and the consequences are deadly. Jesus once talked of how the enemy came in at night and planted tares while men slept. Should I preach to someone today, I only point them to the Cross and its finished works. There is a lot that is currently happening right under our noses, but for some reason the Christian world does not recognize it. Its because we are busy with wordly things, our doctrines, our way of doing things. I look to the day when Christ shall fix the deep problems in the Church, for only He can. And restore His bride to her glory.
NB: Try to research on what has happened since 70 AD when Jerusalem was laid to ruins up to this day from an i
unbiased point of view.
You know of Martin Luther, an early reformer. and until last year I always thought him to be soo. But that man contributed greatly to the more than 6,000,000 Jews that were exterminated by adolf Hitler....
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by PeaceJoyLove: 6:57am On May 03
KALUUKALUU:
There is but only one Bride. The Church which Christ is the Head. And He loved her soo much that He gave up His Life for her. In the end Christ shall present her pure and spotless before the Father. There was a time that I was young and naive in the Sda denomination. And I used to try to get people to join Sdaism... Now I know better. Its a long story. I still identify with Sdaism though, but not because of it being the remnant or only True church, we are just a denomination like the others, and with many flaws. Jesus once said that "He would establish His Church upon which the gates of hell would not prevail" But what you see today in the Church is a far cry from what she ought to be. The enwmenemy sneaked in the Church, and the consequences are deadly. Jesus once talked of how the enemy came in at night and planted tares while men slept. Should I preach to someone today, I only point them to the Cross and its finished works. There is a lot that is currently happening right under our noses, but for some reason the Christian world does not recognize it. Its because we are busy with wordly things, our doctrines, our way of doing things. I look to the day when Christ shall fix the deep problems in the Church, for only He can. And restore His bride to her glory.
NB: Try to research on what has happened since 70 AD when Jerusalem was laid to ruins up to this day from an i
unbiased point of view.
You know of Martin Luther, an early reformer. and until last year I always thought him to be soo. But that man contributed greatly to the more than 6,000,000 Jews that were exterminated by adolf Hitler....

I can read maturity in this post. People who preach their denominations are babies. This is the truth. It is all about Christ. Even they will tell you it is about Christ, but just give such person this simple test:

Ask the person to ask Christ about a spiritual issue which you know is against the person's church doctrine, watch out as Christ is no more the center but the religious leaders such person follows.
In this case, just ask a SDA member to follow you to a church which worships on Sunday, and that is the time you will hear it. Lol. You will see Christ is no more the centre. The funny issue is that I do not even know about SDA until recently, as the church is not popular. So, I was amazed at how these set of people are too "bold" to portray themselves as the true one. No wonder people think they are sick upstairs (not saying they are, but I notice this is how people see them). I do not hate SDA, but this ONLY cannot make me become thir member. Even this OP has successfully made me to rule SDA out. She is the reason I will never step my feet in any SDA church. And I still do not hate them. The same reason I cut of Jehovah Witnesses, but I don't crucify them or attack them either.

I am very serious. A denominational person may love Christ and can pray about everything. But tell him/her to pray about an issue which is against the doctrine of his/her church, never will Jesus be consulted. I do not hate this OP, she is my friend.

Talking of asking Jesus for answers, another set of hypocrites are impersonators who go about pretending to be someone they envy, and causing confusion. Having many monikers to cause confusion is an example. I have been a victim where they impersonated me. And I asked Jesus, boom.... revelations are pumping out like ocean. When you ask Jesus a question, he will give you strategies, but be sure its Jesus who gave you and not your own imagination or thoughts.

Then, another set are those who follow the world's trend because they have no strong root just like the parable of the sower described them. They put their faith in their head like ..... gush! Bro, I have promised one fellow here to be brutal with him, but I will never engage him. I just need him delete my post or the OP's post again. I will not start dragging issues with him now. It is just plain and simple. You cannot have Christ at the center of your heart and endorse same sex marriage. The fellow is an antichrist. It is a simplest as ABC. How can you have the Holy Spirit and endorse homosexuality? It is not possible. And not endorsing it doesnt make anyone homophobic. Only violence toward them makes one homophobic. We speak the truth and pray for them. This is what we do to address it. So, a person who has Christ at the center of his heart will ask questions, but when he identifies the person needs help, the next step is to be silent. I am saying this because this gay issue is rooted in denominations. It is part of issues that come with denomination wahala. Eviana does not realise that her stand on gay is one of the reason she is victimized, and the so called mod is suppressing her. Supporters of gay are brainwashed to use everything to make the mission accomplished. Eviana, do you want to say that homosexual supporters do not suppress people these days in your nation? Don't they try forcing it on everyone in your nation? I read a post where she wrote about a popular cartoon character who came out as a gay just to work on the psychology of children that gay is alright. Of course, everything good/bad ...beautilful/ugly .... bla bla bla you put in a child is good to the child, and the child grows up with it. Simple as ABC. The moment gays penetrated into some church denominations, and homosexuality was impeded into the doctrine was when I realised the power of doctrine. Mehn! It is a tool brought to earth by devil himself. A powerful weapon against the church. I hope I am making sense here.

Here is my stand: I do not disagree you can grow in a church. Yes, just like schools, there are special schools. There are Ivy Leagues and there are even more powerful schools which aren't Ivy but have same standard or better. Example is Stanford. You go to one of these schools and you are respected cos you come out effective and efficient. Same with some denominations. Yes, you are likely to grow in a denomination than in others. But listen, Christ can tell you to leave your denomination. Yes, it can happen. Will you disobey? Most dont even pray. They are bent on not even trying it. Consulting Christ is not even a question. Lol.

Again, situations can warrant you to leave your denomination. A good example is culture (I mentioned this in one of my posts). You cannot easily change your culture. How? You will injure yourself spiritually. If you read my previous posts, women follow men to their denominations in Nigeria. There is no argument about it. But if a particular woman is strong, she may influence the man, but with wisdom, humility, and with the help of Christ. This is what i need you all to know: the man decides the denomination his family belongs in Nigeria. And I researched well and got to know that Nigerian churches stood their ground that as long as the man is the head (he is also the spiritual head of his home no matter how powerful the lady is) he has the final say to where the family attends. Simple as ABC. Hahaha. Now, do you know what happens, the denominations in Nigeria which believe others are counterfeit put their girls in a tight corner. Therefore, their girls are tied to their church cos they cannot marry outcasts. Lol. What do you notice, the females are always suprresed. So many single ladies there, and they keep deceiving them. It is when they reach 50s the veils in their eyes are opened. And boom..... they may even commit suicide. I can give examples. But it is the man's world as usual. Oh! The man can go out and marry outside his church since the girl will follow him to his church. Our culture here supports it. I always pity ladies. And the funny issue is that ladies are the ones who will use their heart to defend their denominations. Lol. But they do not know they are the victims of this demonic tool. If you think I am telling lies, just sit down and take statistics of ladies in 40s to 60s who are single (never married or divorced), they are so many in strong denominational centered churches. Even the root of many of the divorce is that the lady started forcing all the family members and the man to join her new faith. Lol. Of course, men find it easy in Nigeria. The moment he decides, the whole family follows him to his new faith. Shikena. But is it a good cultural practice? Well it's another subject. I am just trying to open the veils in your eyes why the victims are ladies, yet, they all do not learn early enough until they are old and they have been rendered useless by this tool. God wanted such girl to have a godly home, but denomination made her single for the rest of her life. Or made her lose her home. What a pity?

Concerning Martin Luther King Jr. and anti-semitism, could you explain more? If possible do you have references to support your point? I have read about it, but I didnt take it so serious because I know he wrote a letter in that regard during his life. Please, I want to read more from you.
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by Eviana(f): 1:00pm On May 03
Peacejoylove,
Good morning-
Correction: Not Martin Luther King Jr. (The Civil Rights Activist from the 1960's)....which you stated to the "other poster."
I spoke about Martin Luther (The Great Reformer who, basically, was the founder of the Protestant Reformation) on another thread of mine.
I think you honestly made a mistake when you mixed up the two.
I hope you don't find it offensive for me to have corrected you.

Ok, I have tried relentlessly to finish what I began on this thread--which was to clear up some misconceptions about my denomination, but it is clear that I cannot do so.

This is your thread now sir.
It actually has been for over 2 weeks now. I am helpless to do anything else. I have fought as hard as I can. My conscience is clear and I won't argue with or debate you.
Although you took it (the thread) over by force, it's definitely yours now.
Congrats.....
I am thankful, however, that I could at least write the first few posts on this thread.
You take care...
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by PeaceJoyLove: 1:54pm On May 03
Eviana:
Peacejoylove,
Good morning-
Correction: Not Martin Luther King Jr. (The Civil Rights Activist from the 1960's)....which you stated to the "other poster."
I spoke about Martin Luther (The Great Reformer who, basically, was the founder of the Protestant Reformation) on another thread of mine.
I think you honestly made a mistake when you mixed up the two.
I hope you don't find it offensive for me to have corrected you.
Oh! I had to check first, and the one I saw was Martin Luther in 1507. Please, could you tell me the thread of yours you discussed it? I will check it out.

No one is above correction. Sure, you can anytime. Remember, I used to tell you that I discuss and I drive out points. I do not know it all. Of course, there are so many things I do not know. Kindly know this about me: I am hungry for knowledge daily. I can speak like 10 hours daily with someone who has something upstairs and I will not get tired. And when such corrects me, I listen. To apologize when I am wrong is not a problem for me.


Ok, I have tried relentlessly to finish what I began on this thread--which was to clear up some misconceptions about my denomination, but it is clear that I cannot do so.
He dear not bug your posts again. I begged him publicly, he refused. I have given him a sound warning. I am not going to drag any issue with him. I just want him to delete your posts again, and hide under spam bot, he will regret it. I assure him. He dear not again suppress you. Check my posts on another thread and my encounter with him....he dear not again. So, feel free to post here.


This is your thread now sir.
It actually has been for over 2 weeks now. I am helpless to do anything else. I have fought as hard as I can. My conscience is clear and I won't argue with or debate you.
Although you took it (the thread) over by force, it's definitely yours now.
Congrats.....
I am thankful, however, that I could at least write the first few posts on this thread.
You take care..

The thread is not mine. And do not be scared he will bug you again. I want to see the spam bot which will delete your post again. I am waiting for the bot. That bot will land on his head.

So, type what you want to type, and explain it. I will step aside and allow you finish. I will not even open your threads. After you are through, I will make comments. If it takes you 5 weeks, just mention me that you are through. I will make comments.

Listen, that I disagree with you on an issue doesnt mean I will suppress you. Never will I do that. Rather, I want you to convince me. If you can, why not? I will accept your views. But I have the right not to, and to push out my views regardless whose thread it is. You are free to make comments on mine too. And I will definitely respect your privacy.

I am just telling you publicly like I have told you many times privately, I am not a man of denomination. And I am preaching against it because it is a part of religion that has caused us so much harm. But I wish you can convince me here how SDA is different. If you want to continue here...."let's go there". If you choose to do it privately, you know how to reach me.

Hey! Send me the link of your post you talked about that Martin Luther you mentioned above. Again, feel free to start posting. He dare not suppress you again.

Goodluck!
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by KALUUKALUU: 2:22pm On May 03
I see you are familiar with antisemitism, what of replacement Theology? Frankly, I only became aware of some of this things in December 2019. Most were a shocker to me, am still learning...
I was talking of Martin Luther 1483-1546. Among his books there's one called "On the Jews and their Lies". Today in Germany there is a church where Luther used to teach, and on its walls is something known as the 'Judensau'. An abomination of a kind. It depicts the God of the Jews. Its in form of pig, With Jews having intercouse with it, and with their babies suckling it. And so for hundreds of years Christians have gone into that church for service with no qualms about that. Something funny is that Jesus whom we worship is King and God of the Jews. Last year there were efforts to pull it down but they did not bear fruit. You can just Google it. Luther was very radical, he called for a total destruction of the Jews, burning of their synagogues.
So it really came as a surprise to me, Why would Ellen G White hide all this in her writings, especially in The Great Controversy?! An indepth study into this matter is one very painful.
The problem of anchoring your faith more on your denomination rather than on Christ is that when the discrepancies start showing, your boat may capsize. You have seen a fella here wishing to go back and apologize to the people he preached to in the past. Whereas he was almost going into Theology school.
Many atheists today were once christians, soo sad.
So eviana, just be wary.
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by Kobojunkie: 2:38pm On May 03
KALUUKALUU:
There is but only one Bride. The Church which Christ is the Head. And He loved her soo much that He gave up His Life for her. In the end Christ shall present her pure and spotless before the Father. There was a time that I was young and naive in the Sda denomination. And I used to try to get people to join Sdaism... Now I know better. Its a long story. I still identify with Sdaism though, but not because of it being the remnant or only True church, we are just a denomination like the others, and with many flaws. Jesus once said that "He would establish His Church upon which the gates of hell would not prevail" But what you see today in the Church is a far cry from what she ought to be. The enwmenemy sneaked in the Church, and the consequences are deadly. Jesus once talked of how the enemy came in at night and planted tares while men slept. Should I preach to someone today, I only point them to the Cross and its finished works. There is a lot that is currently happening right under our noses, but for some reason the Christian world does not recognize it. Its because we are busy with wordly things, our doctrines, our way of doing things. I look to the day when Christ shall fix the deep problems in the Church, for only He can. And restore His bride to her glory.
NB: Try to research on what has happened since 70 AD when Jerusalem was laid to ruins up to this day from an i
unbiased point of view.
You know of Martin Luther, an early reformer. and until last year I always thought him to be soo. But that man contributed greatly to the more than 6,000,000 Jews that were exterminated by adolf Hitler....
I am afraid you are mistaken. Jesus Christ's Church is not Man's church which is filled with all kinds except sinners and more wannabe saints.

No, Christ's Church does not need to gather in your churches... they are not even commanded to do that by the one who is their Master. The Master knows who are His and where they are located on the earth at every given point in time. undecided

Your churches are instead built on the doctrines and traditions of men so they can never be of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ warned against the doctrine and traditions of men,what He declared are nothing but lies sold in the name of God to deceive and to curse those who teach and follow them undecided

There are no problems deep or shallow in the Church that is Christ's. Your world churches may have deep problems but God's Church has none of that and hence needs no fixing of any kind. Read Ezekiel 36 vs 24-28. undecided
Re: The Seventh-day Adventist Church by Eviana(f): 3:14pm On May 03
PeaceJoyLove:

Oh! I had to check first, and the one I saw was Martin Luther in 1507. Please, could you tell me the thread of yours you discussed it? I will check it out.

No one is above correction. Sure, you can anytime. Remember, I used to tell you that I discuss and I drive out points. I do not know it all. Of course, there are so many things I do not know. Kindly know this about me: I am hungry for knowledge daily. I can speak like 10 hours daily with someone who has something upstairs and I will not get tired. And when such corrects me, I listen. To apologize when I am wrong is not a problem for me.


He dear not bug your posts again. I begged him publicly, he refused. I have given him a sound warning. I am not going to drag any issue with him. I just want him to delete your posts again, and hide under spam bot, he will regret it. I assure him. He dear not again suppress you. Check my posts on another thread and my encounter with him....he dear not again. So, feel free to post here.


The thread is not mine. And do not be scared he will bug you again. I want to see the spam bot which will delete your post again. I am waiting for the bot. That bot will land on his head.

So, type what you want to type, and explain it. I will step aside and allow you finish. I will not even open your threads. After you are through, I will make comments. If it takes you 5 weeks, just mention me that you are through. I will make comments.

Listen, that I disagree with you on an issue doesnt mean I will suppress you. Never will I do that. Rather, I want you to convince me. If you can, why not? I will accept your views. But I have the right not to, and to push out my views regardless whose thread it is. You are free to make comments on mine too. And I will definitely respect your privacy.

I am just telling you publicly like I have told you many times privately, I am not a man of denomination. And I am preaching against it because it is a part of religion that has caused us so much harm. But I wish you can convince me here how SDA is different. If you want to continue here...."let's go there". If you choose to do it privately, you know how to reach me.

Hey! Send me the link of your post you talked about that Martin Luther you mentioned above. Again, feel free to start posting. He dare not suppress you again.

Goodluck!

See that's the thing.
I cannot convince you or anyone else anything about 1.) Christ Jesus and 2.) the Seventh-day Adventist Church
I wrote about my experience and how it has changed my life. I am not ashamed to say so either. I always invite folks to try Christ....get to know Him first.

I told you privately & publicly many times what is important to me.
Honestly, you have done more to discredit me on this site than anyone else here.
You have damaged my character more than anyone here...so forgive me if I have severe "doubts" about you.
I don't call many folks my "friend" easily.
Your "private" actions have been 1000 percent different than your "public" rants. I actually believe the "real you" is the one who has treated me worse than "scum" on this forum (but I digress).
Anyhow, I look at you as a "soul" that has potential to be won for Christ's Kingdom...that's it.
I'm not trying to do anything else.

My thread has been overtaken and trashed because you and your buddies have a hatred against me, my beliefs, my church and ultimately God.
What you guys have done towards me (on this thread & elsewhere) is despicable....and I've had to be in much prayer to ask God to change my heart to sincerely forgive which is why I continue to even engage you guys.
Kobojunkie is here and my flesh wants him to leave the thread....BassReeves is also another one whom....well...Lord just let me say no more.
You, as well, join in to bash, bash and more bash....you insult my church, throw accusations, speak "codedly", question, intimidate, deride and more....and then you say that I'm your friend? Really?

My thread has been derailed..look at you guys and what you're doing here today!
Yet let me try and finush writing what I started, and then it gets erased and me banned. See you guys are playing game...yet it's your souls on the line.

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