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Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by AntiChristian: 3:37pm On Apr 19
Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, and Sunnis.

When Reno Omokri made this post a day before yesterday and Prince A Irabor proudly shared it all in the desperate attempt to nail Pantami to the cross, I tried as much as possible to ignore, but I just can't. The ignorance and lack of understanding of basics is just shameful.
Every time you get into a debate or any kind of conversation with a Christian and you corner them, they end up accusing you of using Taqiyya. When you ask them what Taqiyya is, you go about defining it as an "Islamic Doctrine" of "Religious Dissimulation". In case you do not know, dissimulation in English is defined as : concealment of one's thoughts, feelings, or character; PRETENSE (keep the word in capital in mind).

In The Book of Genesis Chapter 20 Verses 1-16, we find Abraham, our father in faith "dissimulating" to King Abimelek that Sarah was his sister but not his wife. The reason for this "dissimulation" is that he was afraid that the King would kill him if he knew that Sarah was his wife.
In the same manner, in Islam, it is allowed for example if asked if you are a Muslim at gun point, such that if your answer is "YES" you will be shot dead, that you may lie in order to save yourself. At the same time it is allowed for you to stand your ground and say "YES I AM A MUSLIM" even in the presence of death, and if you die bravely in the course of Allah, you get your reward with Allah. As you can see, these are options given such that if you are not brave enough to die in such situations, you could save yourself, but if you can stand it, well, be our guest. This has no name in the Sunni school of thought, neither is it a doctrine and it is the same as one eating pork even though it is prohibited when one is starving but if you still can't, then it's still ok. If you are traveling in a taxi and you are stopped by angry Birom Christian Youths or IPOB Christian youths hungry to kill Muslims, you can lie that your name is John instead of Jamal, if you can handle them, you can fight till the death, no problem.

This shows that Islam is very practical in understanding human nature. No be everybody get liver. Even during the days of the Prophet, while many slaves where hiding the fact that they were Muslims in fear because they would be killed if found out, Bilaal openly declared he was a Muslim, and even as they lashed him, lay him on his bare back in the hot desert sand with a hot rock on his chest, gradually crushing him to death, he kept saying "One God", which really pissed the Kuffar off really.

Despite all these, we do not have a term even in Islamic Jurisprudence called "Taqiyya". But the Shi'a do have it. As a matter of fact, the Shi'a have it as a doctrine such that refusing Taqiyya to them is like refusing to Pray Salah or Fast, as far as they are concerned if you do not do Taqiyya, you are no longer in their religion. So how does it work in Shi'a? Here is how it works:

When Zakzaki initially started his religion in Nigeria, what he told us was that they are "Muslim Brotherhood". Which is a lie. The Shi'a are nothing close to the Muslim Brotherhood which is a Muslim organisation founded in Egypt to fight against the illegal occupation of Palestine by the Zionists. This lie by Mr Zakzaki made many Muslim youths become Shi'a without knowing until later on. Again, I grew up with Shi'a but I never knew that they celebrate Christmas until about two years ago, I have known them for more than 20 years. They never tell you, they just slip away to the Church, clap, dance and come back. This year, I came to also know that they also celebrate the resurrection of the Biblical Jesus. These automatically disqualifies them as Muslims.

So I am a bit surprised that a gentleman like Reno Omokri, who prides himself on knowing Islam not understanding these obvious facts, and states that Taqiyya is a Muslim doctrine. It is like me saying that Christians believe that Jesus and the Devil are brothers. Even Muslims will not believe me, but actually, a Christian Sect called Mormons hold this belief. See what I mean?

Finally, Muslims do not deceive people in preaching, it is the Shi'a and the Christians who actually do. I have given you an example of how the Shi'a do it, let me show you how Christians do it.
When Christian missionaries landed on the shores of Papua New Guinea, seeing that the most loved food there is sweet potatoes, they started teaching how Jesus is the "Sweet potatoes" of life as opposed to the "Bread" of life. This is not only a lie, it is broad daylight deception. But wait, there is more.

In the Bible, we have this verse:
'When the WINE was all gone, the mother of Jesus said to him, "They have no more WINE" ' John 2:3
Translating this to Hausa, the Christians said:

Da RUWAN INABI ya gaza, uwar Yesu tace masa, "Ba su da sauran RUWAN INABI"' Yahya 2:3
In all majestic glory, wine = ruwan inabi. In order to understand this, we need to break this down.
Ruwa = water
Inabi = Grapes
If you hand a glass of liquid to a typical Hausa man, and tell him it is ruwan inabi, the first thing that will come to his mind is that you got some grapes, mashed and squeezed its liquid into the glass, which of course is grape juice. But we all know that wine ain't grape juice.
The dilemma the missionary had in Hausa land was that you cannot say that God, or a Prophet of God turned water into wine, because wine, bear or anything alcoholic in known as GIYA. If you start preaching that:

'Da GIYA ya gaza, uwar Yesu tace masa, "Ba su da sauran GIYA" ' Yahya 2:3
Nobody will listen to you. Hence wine turned into grape juice in the Hausa Bible.

Further more, if you stop any random Hausa dude or 'dudess' on the street and ask them if they know what ruwan inabi is, you will be met with a look of confusion on their faces because:

1) Grapes are not common in Hausa land until very recently, which makes them very expensive unless it is now being grown in Hausa land which will bring the price down. And for that reason, it does not have a Hausa name, the name inabi is actually Arabic, inab.
2) Hausas are not much into the business of making juice. If you go into any typical Hausa setting, all fruits are eaten. Oranges are squeezed directly into the mouth, mangoes are eaten and so on.

So the concept of juice in itself is foreign in a typical Hausa setting, so handing a glass of liquid to a Hausa man and telling him it is 'Grape Water' is criminally deceptive, especially since there is a 99.9% probability that he is a Muslim.

Alcohol is central to Christian rituals just as water is central to Muslim rituals. Christians use wine to denote the Blood of Jesus especially in their Holy Communion ritual, where it is dropped into your mouth, and you line up for it. If you deep a needle into a barrel of alcohol and give it to a Muslim, he will throw it away and never use it to stitch any of his clothes.
So this Hypocrisy is not a Muslim Tradition, but rather a Christian and Shi'a tradition.

©Hamid Al-Hassan Hamid

Follow the thread. You'll see of course the Christian hypocrisy!

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Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by Rashduct4luv(m): 3:51pm On Apr 19
Truly there's nothing like taqiyya in Sunnah!

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Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by Kestolove(f): 4:07pm On Apr 19
to be a Christian is a pity

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Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by mhmsadyq(m): 5:07pm On Apr 19
Thanks. Nice piece!
Do you think all wines are alcoholic?
Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by AntiChristian: 5:46am On Apr 20
mhmsadyq:
Thanks. Nice piece!

Do you think all wines are alcoholic?


Not all wines are alcoholic these days. Nonalcoholic wines usually have the alcohol removed before bottling.

I think the primary meaning of wine (particular in those days) is the alcoholic one as it's not easy preventing fermentation or removing alcohol by distillation, reverse osmosis, etc. cool
Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by mhmsadyq(m): 3:59pm On Apr 20
AntiChristian:



Not all wines are alcoholic these days. Nonalcoholic wines usually have the alcohol removed before bottling.

I think the primary meaning of wine (particular in those days) is the alcoholic one as it's not easy preventing fermentation or removing alcohol by distillation, reverse osmosis, etc. cool


Thank you.

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Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by Nobody: 1:09pm On Apr 21
AntiChristian:
In the same manner, in Islam, it is allowed for example if asked if you are a Muslim at gun point, such that if your answer is "YES" you will be shot dead, that you may lie in order to save yourself. At the same time it is allowed for you to stand your ground and say "YES I AM A MUSLIM" even in the presence of death,

can I ask you a question,
how many Muslims have ever been killed in a Christian countries compared to the way Muslims kills the christians in their countries...

have you ever heard in the news that a Christian go to the mosque to bomb the Muslims in the mosque with suicide bombing....


AntiChristian:
and if you die bravely in the course of Allah, you get your reward with Allah.

you get your reward with Allah by promising you to marry 77 virgins in your sex paradise.....


AntiChristian:
traveling in a taxi and you are stopped by angry Birom Christian Youths or IPOB Christian youths hungry to kill Muslims, you can lie that your name is John instead of Jamal, if you can handle them, you can fight till the death, no problem.

can I ask you a question again,
what are the Bokoharams fighting for? and
what are the ipob or biafrans fighting for?
how many Ipob have ever killed the Muslims just the way Bokoharams have ever killed the christians?
the most terrorist people on Earth are all Muslims...
now I ask again what are they fighting for?

let me tell you the bitter truth,
Muslim love the way Bokoharams and ISIS are killing christians in Nigeria and In West Africa, but you Muslims are pretending, inside your heart you Muslims are happy..

no igbos around Nigeria that doesn't support the ipob except igbos governors and leaders because they have choosing to be the slaves of the fulanis. igbos are proud of the ipob but you Muslims are not proud of your Bokoharams brothers but instead you Muslims will go in the back and support them... that's the meaning of hypocrites

as long as their is Muslims in Nigeria, Nigeria can never go forward, before you quote me ask yourself this, would you rather live in middle belt, Iran Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and parkistan the countries abiding by Sharia law or would you live in countries with non Sharia law....

AntiChristian:
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This shows that Islam is very practical in understanding human nature. No be everybody get liver. Even during the days of the Prophet, while many slaves where hiding the fact that they were Muslims in fear

i want you Muslims to use your phone and search the most terrorist people on Earth, infact the most terrorist people ever lived on Earth and you will see the truth by yourself that most of them are Muslims...

before you judge me I want you to study the life of Jesus and also study the life of Mohammed then use your mouth and your heart and confess the truth...

AntiChristian:
When Christian missionaries landed on the shores of Papua New Guinea, seeing that the most loved food there is sweet potatoes, they started teaching how Jesus is the "Sweet potatoes" of life as opposed to the "Bread" of life. This is not only a lie, it is broad daylight deception. But wait, there is more.

what is wrong referring Jesus as sweet potatoes to someone. Jesus came to the world to preach the gospel to the poor, feed the poor, heal the broken heart, healed the sick, raised the death and even gave hope to the hopeless, is it anything wrong to refer Him as sweet potatoes..


AntiChristian:
In the Bible, we have this verse:
'When the WINE was all gone, the mother of Jesus said to him, "They have no more WINE" ' John 2:3

tell people the truth and stop lying, use your phone I'm sure you have Google on your phone, search the meaning of wine, not all wine are alcoholic, I don't take alcohol but I take wine....


AntiChristian:
God, or a Prophet of God turned water into wine, because wine, bear or anything alcoholic in known as GIYA. If you start preaching that:

Jesus turned water to wine the scripture didn't say Jesus turned water to alcohol...

after Jesus turned the water into wine, people at the wedding testify with their mouth that the wine is the sweetest wine they have ever tasted in their life....


AntiChristian:

[b]So this Hypocrisy is not a Muslim Tradition, but rather a Christian

what is the meaning of hypocrites?

someone who supports Bokoharams and ISIS in the back and come to the people and pretended he is against Bokoharams, what is that person called?

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Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by AntiChristian: 10:26pm On Apr 22
Againstlies:


can I ask you a question,
how many Muslims have ever been killed in a Christian countries compared to the way Muslims kills the christians in their countries...

Kindly elucidate. Which country is a Christian country that uses Bible as their constitution? Even Israel Jesus's country is Jewish and even has more Muslims than Christians.
Stop typing nonsense! And how does this relay to the topic?


have you ever heard in the news that a Christian go to the mosque to bomb the Muslims in the mosque with suicide bombing....
Person wey blow himself can't state his religion. And the people around the bomb won't live to tell the story!
Many mosque had been bombed in the North and destroyed in the SE. Who bombed/destroyed them? How does this relate to the topic?


you get your reward with Allah by promising you to marry 77 virgins in your sex paradise.....

Shebi your God told Moses here to keep virgins women child for themselves?
Numbers Chapter 31
17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

What do you have to say to this? This is your God commanding Moses to kill the women and CHILDREN and to keep the virgins alive. How are the virgins known? What will happen to them? How old are they?


can I ask you a question again,
what are the Bokoharams fighting for? and
what are the ipob or biafrans fighting for?
how many Ipob have ever killed the Muslims just the way Bokoharams have ever killed the christians?
You keep asking one question in ten places! We don't know Boko haram. You can ask them if you know. Muslims are being killed in SE sha! I don't know who is killing them. And who confirmed to you that Boko haram are all Muslims?

the most terrorist people on Earth are all Muslims...
This is a big lie. Atheists and your old testament are the greatest terrorists!

now I ask again what are they fighting for?
Same thing Moses and Joshua were fighting for on Yahweh's command in the Bible.

let me tell you the bitter truth,
Muslim love the way Bokoharams and ISIS are killing christians in Nigeria and In West Africa, but you Muslims are pretending, inside your heart you Muslims are happy..

Mind reader! When did you start reading people's mind. Which Muslims love they way they are killing people which includes his kin?


no igbos around Nigeria that doesn't support the ipob except igbos governors and leaders because they have choosing to be the slaves of the fulanis. igbos are proud of the ipob but you Muslims are not proud of your Bokoharams brothers but instead you Muslims will go in the back and support them... that's the meaning of hypocrites
Why are you igbos tribalists like these? What evidence do you have for all these nonsense?

as long as their is Muslims in Nigeria, Nigeria can never go forward, before you quote me ask yourself this, would you rather live in middle belt, Iran Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and parkistan the countries abiding by Sharia law or would you live in countries with non Sharia law....
Yes, Muslims are the reason why Saudi Arabia is not develop?


i want you Muslims to use your phone and search the most terrorist people on Earth, infact the most terrorist people ever lived on Earth and you will see the truth by yourself that most of them are Muslims...
We have searched o na Bible killings and Atheists/Jews!


before you judge me I want you to study the life of Jesus and also study the life of Mohammed then use your mouth and your heart and confess the truth...
They are both Muslim brothers sent to different people. Jesus was sent to Israel and Muhammad to the world. Jesus didn't complete his mission and will come back to complete it. Muhammad has finished his.

what is wrong referring Jesus as sweet potatoes to someone. Jesus came to the world to preach the gospel to the poor, feed the poor, heal the broken heart, healed the sick, raised the death and even gave hope to the hopeless, is it anything wrong to refer Him as sweet potatoes..
Telling lies is in your blood. I forget you clicked a lie before you get here. You have nothing to preach that terrorism and you God supported it in the old testament.



tell people the truth and stop lying, use your phone I'm sure you have Google on your phone, search the meaning of wine, not all wine are alcoholic, I don't take alcohol but I take wine....
Abeg shut up! Wines made during Jesus time are alcoholic. There was no way to remove the alcohol like today and neither can they accurately prevent fermentation.




Jesus turned water to wine the scripture didn't say Jesus turned water to alcohol...
after Jesus turned the water into wine, people at the wedding testify with their mouth that the wine is the sweetest wine they have ever tasted in their life....
The context of the verse suggest "shayo" alcoholic drink.

what is the meaning of hypocrites?
someone who supports Bokoharams and ISIS in the back and come to the people and pretended he is against Bokoharams, what is that person called?

Who supports terrorists when they can also kill us too? Gun doesn't recognize family or friends. You are simply a nincompoop with acute islamophobia from the Southeast!
Type what is related to the topic!

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Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by ANTIlSLAM(m): 5:13pm On Apr 24
@ Againstlies God Bless you Bro, more anointing In Jesus Christ Name.. AntiChristian how market? grin

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Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by Nobody: 12:50am On Apr 25
ANTIlSLAM:
@ Againstlies God Bless you Bro, more anointing In Jesus Christ Name.. AntiChristian how market? grin


Amen !

no mind Antichristian, he asked me a question on another thread, I'm with the answer but before I answer him his questions, he should answer me why a Muslim must pray with Allah?


I see an argument that Allah is God in Arab, then why must a non Arab Muslim pray with the name Allah?

a Muslim will pray in English and put Allah, a Muslim will pray in Spanish and put Allah, a Muslim will pray in yoruba and put Allah, a Muslim will pray in Igbo and put Allah, a Muslim will pray with any language and put Allah.

my question is why?

since Muslims claimed they are serving the same God with christians why must they use the Arab name Allah to pray in Muslim and abandoned the name God gave himself Yahwah/Jahovah..

every countries has the name of God in their language but Muslims insist to use Arab God name,

that mean Allah is only an Arab God.

anyone from Muslim section can also answer my question to help Antichristian...

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Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by Rashduct4luv(m): 10:30am On Apr 25
[quote author=Againstlies post=101044153][/quote]

So this nonsense is what you're congratulating yourselves on?

The topic is on Taqiyya as it relates to christianity, Sunnis and shiites.

But you decided to detail and went off point. No wonder you're not getting attention anymore.
Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by Rashduct4luv(m): 10:31am On Apr 25
Againstlies:



Amen !

no mind Antichristian, he asked me a question on another thread, I'm with the answer but before I answer him his questions, he should answer me why a Muslim must pray with Allah?


I see an argument that Allah is God in Arab, then why must a non Arab Muslim pray with the name Allah?

a Muslim will pray in English and put Allah, a Muslim will pray in Spanish and put Allah, a Muslim will pray in yoruba and put Allah, a Muslim will pray in Igbo and put Allah, a Muslim will pray with any language and put Allah.

my question is why?

since Muslims claimed they are serving the same God with christians why must they use the Arab name Allah to pray in Muslim and abandoned the name God gave himself Yahwah/Jahovah..

every countries has the name of God in their language but Muslims insist to use Arab God name,

that mean Allah is only an Arab God.

anyone from Muslim section can also answer my question to help Antichristian...

Taqiyya is the topic not all these! Chai! See Christians!
Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by Nobody: 11:12am On Apr 25
Rashduct4luv:


Taqiyya is the topic not all these! Chai! See Christians!

your brother Antichristian asked a question on a Christian thread that doesn't relate to the topic..

and I have the answer to his questions, I just want you Muslims to answer my own question..


Rashduct4luv:


So this nonsense is what you're congratulating yourselves on?

The topic is on Taqiyya as it relates to christianity, Sunnis and shiites.

But you decided to detail and went off point. No wonder you're not getting attention anymore.
Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by advocatejare(m): 9:52am On May 19
Rashduct4luv:
Truly there's nothing like taqiyya in Sunnah!

That's not true:



Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!......


.....When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf."


-Sahih Bukhari 5:59:369

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Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by ANTIlSLAM(m): 12:20pm On May 19
advocatejare:


That's not true:



Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!......


.....When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf."


-Sahih Bukhari 5:59:369

Rashduct4luv, AntiChristian, Empiree come and see something..

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Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by AntiChristian: 1:15pm On May 19
ANTIlSLAM:


Rashduct4luv, AntiChristian, Empiree come and see something..


Wetin?
Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by AntiChristian: 1:16pm On May 19
advocatejare:


That's not true:



Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!......


.....When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf."


-Sahih Bukhari 5:59:369

Where was what was done called Taqiyya in the narration?

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Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by advocatejare(m): 3:01pm On May 19
AntiChristian:


Where was what was done called Taqiyya in the narration?
Are you for real?

Muhammad permitted his followers to lie to K'ab in order to get closer to him and kill him.

One of the lies is that the assassin your prophet sent to Kab had to falsely deny his trust and belief in the instructions of Muhammad by uttering these words to K'ab


"Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you."

Muslims believe that paying Zakat is one of the pillars of Islam hence they don't see it as a trouble, but because they wanted to kill K'ab, they had to do taqiyya to lie and denounce the belief in one of the 5 pillars of islam just because they wanted to kill the man.

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Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by advocatejare(m): 3:59pm On May 19
AntiChristian:

In the Bible, we have this verse:
'When the WINE was all gone, the mother of Jesus said to him, "They have no more WINE" ' John 2:3
Translating this to Hausa, the Christians said:

Da RUWAN INABI ya gaza, uwar Yesu tace masa, "Ba su da sauran RUWAN INABI"' Yahya 2:3
In all majestic glory, wine = ruwan inabi. In order to understand this, we need to break this down.
Ruwa = water
Inabi = Grapes
If you hand a glass of liquid to a typical Hausa man, and tell him it is ruwan inabi, the first thing that will come to his mind is that you got some grapes, mashed and squeezed its liquid into the glass, which of course is grape juice. But we all know that wine ain't grape juice.
The dilemma the missionary had in Hausa land was that you cannot say that God, or a Prophet of God turned water into wine, because wine, bear or anything alcoholic in known as GIYA. If you start preaching that:

'Da GIYA ya gaza, uwar Yesu tace masa, "Ba su da sauran GIYA" ' Yahya 2:3
Nobody will listen to you. Hence wine turned into grape juice in the Hausa Bible.
Stop displaying ignorance here.

Wines were made from grapes during the time of Jesus

The same way wines were made from date palm during the time of Muhammad and Muhammad drank the date palm drink.

Sahih MuslimBook 023, Number 4882:
Anas b. Malik reported: I was the cup-bearer of some people in the house of Abu Talha on the day when liquor was forbidden. Their liquor had been prepared from dry dates or fresh dates when the announcer made the announcement. He (Abu Talha) said to me: Go out and find out (what the announcement is). I got out (and found) an announcer making this announcement: Behold, liquor has been declared unlawful. He said: The liquor (was spilt and) flawed in the lanes of Medina. Abu Talha said to me: Go out and Spill it, and I spilt it. They said or some of them said: Such and such were killed, such and such were killed for (the wine) had been in their stomachs. He (the narrator) said. I do not know whether it is the narration transmitted by Anas, (or by someone else). Then Allah, the Exalted and Majestic, revealed:" There shall be no sin (imputed) unto those who have believed and done good works for what they may have eaten as long as they fear (Allah) and believe and do good works" (v. 93).

We all know that Muhammad liked drinking soaked date drink:

Sahih al-Bukhari 5176
Narrated Sahl bin Sa`d:
Abu Usaid As-Sa'di invited Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) to his wedding party and his wife who was the bride, served them on that day. Do you know what drink she gave Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)? She had soaked some dates for him (in water) overnight, and when he had finished his meal she gave him that drink (of soaked dates).

Sahih al-Bukhari 5182
Narrated Sahl:
When Abu Usaid As-Sa`idi got married, he invited the Prophet (ﷺ) and his companions. None prepared the food for them and brought it to them but his wife. She soaked some dates in water in a stone pot overnight, and when the Prophet (ﷺ) had finished his food, she provided him with that drink (of soaked dates).

The wine/alcohol that Muhammad banned is the same one made from date palm and the reason Muhammad did that was because one of his drunk cousins, Hamza exposed Muhammad for who was, as the servant of Abdulmuttalib ( and not as the grand son) and for that reason Muhammad banned alcohol and singing in Islam because those were the two things Hamza was doing when he exposed Muhammad.

Sahih Muslim Book 023, Number 4879:
'Ali b. Abu Talib reported; There fell to my lot along with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) an old she-camel from the spoils of Badr. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) granted me another camel. I made them kneel down one day at the door of an Ansari, and I wanted to carry on them Idhkhir (a kind of grass) in order to sell that. There was with me a goldsmith of the tribe of Qainuqa'. I saught to give a wedding feast (on the occasion of marriage with) Fatima with the help of that (the price accrued from the sale of this grass). And Hamza b. 'Abd al-Muttalib was busy in drinking in that house in the company of a singing girl who was singing to him. She said: Hamza, get up for slaughtering the fat she-camels. Hamza attacked them with the sword and cut off their humps and ripped their haunches, and then took out their livers. I said to Ibn Shihab: Did he take out anything from the hump? He said: He cut off the humps altogether. Ibn Shihab reported 'Ali having said: I saw this (horrible) sight and it shocked me, and I came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and there was Zaid b, Haritha with him and communicated to him this news. He came in the company of Zaid and I also went along with him and he went to Hamza and he expressed anger with him. Hamza raised his eyes and said: Are you (not) but the servants of my father? Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) turned back on his heels (on hearing this) until he went away from them.

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Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by AntiChristian: 11:22am On May 20
advocatejare:

Are you for real?

Muhammad permitted his followers to lie to K'ab in order to get closer to him and kill him.

One of the lies is that the assassin your prophet sent to Kab had to falsely deny his trust and belief in the instructions of Muhammad by uttering these words to K'ab

Muslims believe that paying Zakat is one of the pillars of Islam hence they don't see it as a trouble, but because they wanted to kill K'ab, they had to do taqiyya to lie and denounce the belief in one of the 5 pillars of islam just because they wanted to kill the man.


I asked where is Taqiyya mentioned in the Narration. Does Taqiyya exists in Islam? Bring out where you got the word in Islam.

The of Ka'b had a precedent which you refuse to narrate.
Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by AntiChristian: 11:44am On May 20
advocatejare:

Stop displaying ignorance here.

Wines were made from grapes during the time of Jesus

The same way wines were made from date palm during the time of Muhammad and Muhammad drank the date palm drink.

Sahih MuslimBook 023, Number 4882:
Anas b. Malik reported: I was the cup-bearer of some people in the house of Abu Talha on the day when liquor was forbidden. Their liquor had been prepared from dry dates or fresh dates when the announcer made the announcement. He (Abu Talha) said to me: Go out and find out (what the announcement is). I got out (and found) an announcer making this announcement: Behold, liquor has been declared unlawful. He said: The liquor (was spilt and) flawed in the lanes of Medina. Abu Talha said to me: Go out and Spill it, and I spilt it. They said or some of them said: Such and such were killed, such and such were killed for (the wine) had been in their stomachs. He (the narrator) said. I do not know whether it is the narration transmitted by Anas, (or by someone else). Then Allah, the Exalted and Majestic, revealed:" There shall be no sin (imputed) unto those who have believed and done good works for what they may have eaten as long as they fear (Allah) and believe and do good works" (v. 93).

We all know that Muhammad liked drinking soaked date drink:

Sahih al-Bukhari 5176
Narrated Sahl bin Sa`d:
Abu Usaid As-Sa'di invited Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) to his wedding party and his wife who was the bride, served them on that day. Do you know what drink she gave Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)? She had soaked some dates for him (in water) overnight, and when he had finished his meal she gave him that drink (of soaked dates).

Sahih al-Bukhari 5182
Narrated Sahl:
When Abu Usaid As-Sa`idi got married, he invited the Prophet (ﷺ) and his companions. None prepared the food for them and brought it to them but his wife. She soaked some dates in water in a stone pot overnight, and when the Prophet (ﷺ) had finished his food, she provided him with that drink (of soaked dates).

The wine/alcohol that Muhammad banned is the same one made from date palm and the reason Muhammad did that was because one of his drunk cousins, Hamza exposed Muhammad for who was, as the servant of Abdulmuttalib ( and not as the grand son) and for that reason Muhammad banned alcohol and singing in Islam because those were the two things Hamza was doing when he exposed Muhammad.

Sahih Muslim Book 023, Number 4879:
'Ali b. Abu Talib reported; There fell to my lot along with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) an old she-camel from the spoils of Badr. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) granted me another camel. I made them kneel down one day at the door of an Ansari, and I wanted to carry on them Idhkhir (a kind of grass) in order to sell that. There was with me a goldsmith of the tribe of Qainuqa'. I saught to give a wedding feast (on the occasion of marriage with) Fatima with the help of that (the price accrued from the sale of this grass). And Hamza b. 'Abd al-Muttalib was busy in drinking in that house in the company of a singing girl who was singing to him. She said: Hamza, get up for slaughtering the fat she-camels. Hamza attacked them with the sword and cut off their humps and ripped their haunches, and then took out their livers. I said to Ibn Shihab: Did he take out anything from the hump? He said: He cut off the humps altogether. Ibn Shihab reported 'Ali having said: I saw this (horrible) sight and it shocked me, and I came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and there was Zaid b, Haritha with him and communicated to him this news. He came in the company of Zaid and I also went along with him and he went to Hamza and he expressed anger with him. Hamza raised his eyes and said: Are you (not) but the servants of my father? Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) turned back on his heels (on hearing this) until he went away from them.

IGNROANCE!!!

Wine was first permitted in Islam and gradually phased out till it was totally forbidden.

They ask you about wine (khamr) and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." Qur'an 2:219

"O you who acknowledge, Do not go near prayer, (Salat) while you are stupified (under influence), until you know what you are saying"
Qur'an 4:43

O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants (khamr), gambling, [sacrificing on] stone altars [to other than God], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful. Qur'an 5:90

The wine of Jesus was not grape juice as it can make people drunk. This is a lie and deception.
and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not know where it was from, but the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside and said, “Everyone serves the fine wine [/b]first, and then the cheap wine after the guests are [b]drunk. But you have saved the fine wine until now!”
John 2:9-10 Note that "drunk" was in the Greek Bible as methysthōsin and wine as Yayin

Compare this to Genesis 9:20-21 where biblical Noah became drunk
Now Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. But when he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and uncovered himself inside his tent. (same wine-yayin)

There was even no method to remove alcohol from wine in those days. They just crush fruits in water and allow it to ferment turning the sugars to alcohol and carbon(IV)oxide.

Nonalcoholic wines are made today by removing the alcohol in the mixture made above by distillation, reverse osmosis, etc.

So Hausa Bible that uses grape juice for wine is one of the worst form of deceit!

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Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by advocatejare(m): 11:57am On May 20
AntiChristian:


I asked where is Taqiyya mentioned in the Narration.
What does Taqiyya mean? Denial of religious belief for any reason. Lying to people for the sake of religion.

Just like it was done here:


"Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you."

They denied one of the 5 pillars because they wanted to kill Kab. That's Taqiyya


Does Taqiyya exists in Islam? Bring out where you got the word in Islam.
Did Muhammad allow his followers to lie and say false things in order to kill kab or not?


The of Ka'b had a precedent which you refuse to narrate.
He insulted Allah and Muhammad and Allah couldn't punish him, Muhammad had to sent assassins to him

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Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by advocatejare(m): 12:29pm On May 20
AntiChristian:


IGNROANCE!!!

Wine was first permitted in Islam and gradually phased out till it was totally forbidden.


Why? Give us the evidence of the reason from either the Quran or authentic narrations


The wine of Jesus was not grape juice as it can make people drunk. This is a lie and deception.
Show evidence that the wine of jesus was not grape juice.

Was the wine of Muhammad not date palm juice, didn't the same juice make Hamza drunk?

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Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by AntiChristian: 12:53pm On May 20
advocatejare:

What does Taqiyya mean? Denial of religious belief for any reason. Lying to people for the sake of religion.

I did not ask for interpretation. Is Taqiyya mentioned anywhere in Islam? No!

Just like it was done here:


"Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you."

They denied one of the 5 pillars because they wanted to kill Kab. That's Taqiyya[/quote]

I did not ask for your meaning of Taqiyya. Is Taqiyya mentioned anywhere in Islam? No!

Did Muhammad allow his followers to lie and say false things in order to kill kab or not?

He insulted Allah and Muhammad and Allah couldn't punish him, Muhammad had to sent assassins to him

If I were to be asked by a Christian at gun point "are you a Muslim"?

I have options.

1. To say I'm a Muslim and face death in Martyrdom.

2. To deny Islam on one's mouth and preserve one's life.

3. Using Equivocation. E.g. saying things like "Do I look like a Muslim"? etc.

When the trouble caused by the Jew Ka‘b ibn Ashraf to the Muslims became grave and he began to impugn their honour and say things about their women in his poetry, and he travelled to Makkah to incite the leaders of Quraysh against the Muslims, the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) issued orders to kill him.

So the case you are quoting is like an offensive expedition not the few lines you are bring here a Taqiyya. A word you can't prove exists in Islam.
Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by AntiChristian: 12:59pm On May 20
advocatejare:


Why? Give us the evidence of the reason from either the Quran or authentic narrations.

I gave you Qur'anic verses before. Allah says:

They ask you about wine (khamr) and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." Qur'an 2:219

"O you who acknowledge, Do not go near prayer, (Salat) while you are stupified (under influence), until you know what you are saying"
Qur'an 4:43

O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants (khamr), gambling, [sacrificing on] stone altars [to other than God], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful. Qur'an 5:90

Show evidence that the wine of jesus was not grape juice.

Was the wine of Muhammad not date palm juice, didn't the same juice make Hamza drunk?

grin This funny! Does grape juice make people drunk? The wine shared at the wedding in Cana is one that could make people drunk.

The wine of Jesus was not grape juice as it can make people drunk. This is a lie and deception.

and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not know where it was from, but the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside and said, “Everyone serves the fine wine [/b]first, and then the cheap wine after the guests are drunk. But you have saved the fine wine until now!”
John 2:9-10 Note that "drunk" was in the Greek Bible as methysthōsin and wine as Yayin

Compare this to Genesis 9:20-21 where biblical Noah became drunk
Now Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. But when he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and uncovered himself inside his tent. (same wine-yayin)
Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by Nobody: 2:05pm On May 20
tell me where God in the Bible said drinking wine is a sin..

AND TELL ME HOW ALL WINE ARE MADE OF GRAPEFRUIT..

AND IF YOU THINK GRAPE WINE IS A SIN TELL ME WHERE IN BIBLE GOD SAID IT A SIN..

God only told the people in the Bible not to drink wine made of grapefruit when they was preparing for war against their enemies, God in Bible never said I forbid people to drink grape wine because it is a sin. This is just like people are told not to have sex for some reasons, that doesn't mean sex is forbidden..

For me it's wrong for a pastor to drink alcohol exposely not because it's a sin but because the people that follows the footsteps of the pastor, the same alcohol the pastor take responsibily can lead someone to destruction, that's why Jesus said in the Bible if your left hand will lead you to destruction and hell fire you should cut it off..

That means anything you are doing that may lead you to destruction you should avoid it..
Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by AntiChristian: 2:44pm On May 20
Againstlies:
tell me where God in the Bible said drinking wine is a sin..

AND TELL ME HOW ALL WINE ARE MADE OF GRAPEFRUIT..

AND IF YOU THINK GRAPE WINE IS A SIN TELL ME WHERE IN BIBLE GOD SAID IT A SIN..

God only told the people in the Bible not to drink wine made of grapefruit when they was preparing for war against their enemies, God in Bible never said I forbid people to drink grape wine because it is a sin. This is just like people are told not to have sex for some reasons, that doesn't mean sex is forbidden..

For me it's wrong for a pastor to drink alcohol exposely not because it's a sin but because the people that follows the footsteps of the pastor, the same alcohol the pastor take responsibily can lead someone to destruction, that's why Jesus said in the Bible if your left hand will lead you to destruction and hell fire you should cut it off..

That means anything you are doing that may lead you to destruction you should avoid it..


We are not discussing "whether wine is a sin or not". It is a great Sin in Islam but not so in Christianity.

What is being discussed is the translation of wine that can cause drunkenness to "Grape juice" in the Hausa Bible to deceive them.

Stay on the topic or keep mute!
Re: Taqiyya: The Triangle Of Confusion Between Christians, Shi'as, And Sunnis. by Nobody: 2:57pm On May 20
AntiChristian:


We are not discussing "whether wine is a sin or not". It is a great Sin in Islam but not so in Christianity.

What is being discussed is the translation of wine that can cause drunkenness to "Grape juice" in the Hausa Bible to deceive them.

Stay on the topic or keep mute!

Keep quiet man, Quran saying wine is a sin doesn't stop the terrorist in muslims..

Hausas are already decieved, fulanis have conquered there states and the Hausas name for God is Allah the Arab name for God...

Some muslims takes beer and snap (spirit)
But they come here to condemn grape wine..

What I'm saying is that not all wine are made of grapefruit..

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