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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 7:21pm On May 10
davidnazee:
The only person that buys your nonsense is you..
And David-the-Dullard is butthurt and heartbroken again. cheesy

Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by budaatum: 7:23pm On May 10
Many are not aware of the conflict in Yorubaland between Obatalans and Oduduwans. I guess that's because it's no more a big deal because many are not aware of their history, and even miss the symbolism when it is right before their eyes.

Go and learn about Obatala. Some of us are. Ọmọ Alade Sẹsẹ Funfun. You might notice us in your home village, if you still have one in your home village that is, wearing white to the shrine the day before market to ensure market sells. You'd also see us when your king is crowned.

TAO11:
We must be willing to pay close attention to what our fathers mean when they say Oduduwa is our father.

First of all Oduduwa has parents, he also in the context of a time and space with his contemporaries around the 11th century — just 11th century here.

Secondly, what is meant when our elders regard him as our father is NOT that that he gave rise to his own parents, ancestors, wives, contemporaries, and every single Yoruba living today. Our elders obviously didn’t mean that. That’s obvious enough at this point.

What our elders mean then by regarding hims as our father is that he played an extremely pivotal & significant role which completely transforming Ife and (by extension) Yoruba civilization in the most significant era of our history, viz. the late 10th century / early 11th century.

And because Obatala (a contemporary of Oduduwa) also played the same role (but to a lesser degree) around the same period, he also was elevated by the Yoruba people to that lofty status of father.

This use of the word is not in the sense that Obatala and Oduduwa gave rise to all Yorubas alive today. Of course the other people of their time we’re not impotent. They all have their descendants as well.

Cheers!

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 7:26pm On May 10
budaatum:
Many are not aware of the conflict in Yorubaland between Obatalans and Oduduwans. I guess that's because it's no more a big deal because many are not aware of their history, and even miss tge symbolism when it is right before their eyes.
Yes, may be many are not aware. They should be aware actually. I am aware of all this, and it does not detract a jot from my comment which you replied to.

Go and learn about Obatala. Some of us are. Ọmọ Alade Sẹsẹ Funfun. You might notice us in your home village, if you still have one in your home village that is, wearing white to the shrine the day before market to ensure market sells. You'd also see us when your king is crowned.
I actually know of Obatala, his deification, and worship by the Yorubas though. Having said that, you may want to re-read my comment again — the one you replied to here.

Cheers!

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 10:40pm On May 10
budaatum:
••• By the way, does anyone know what we named the people of the bush?
By the phrase “the people of the bush,” I believe you refer to (1) the name, ‘Ugbó’ (i.e. ‘the ancient ones’) which used to be the collective name of all Ife people, and (2) the name, ‘Igbó’ (i.e. ‘the forest [people]’) which became the name of a faction of some Ugbó groups.

If the foregoing is indeed what you intended with the phrase “the people of the bush,” then the following is a summarized synthesis of the traditional narrative:


The collective people of all the 13 Ife settlements used to be known as ‘Ugbó. This name is coincidentally also uttered and spelt as: ‘Igbó,’ just as the name of one of the factions of the group dislodged from Ife. This point would become clearer shortly.

At some point in the course of history, some sections of at least 2 of the 13 Ife settlements were dislodged from Ife in the course of a long political turmoil.

This section took up abode in the woods outside of the Ife settlements. Their new abode or camp was named “Ideta-Oko” (meaning: “Ideta in the woods” ).

From this Ideta-Oko camp, they embarked on series of attacks and campaigns to gain access to Ife again.

However, a stronger force comprising of members of the other settlements went on to camp at “Odin” (one of the 13 Ife settlements) under the leadership of Obameri, to fight them off again and again.

So far, it must be realized that the Ugbós, i.e. the people of Ife have now been divided into two, viz. (1) the vast majority who live in their respective areas of Ife, (2) the smaller dislodged group led by Obatala.

In the long end after the long conflicts, the two parties desired peace — especially after a small-pox epidemic broke out at the Ideta-Oko camp leading to terrible loss of lives of the campers at Ideta-Oko.

These two Ugbó groups reached a peace agreement, and the mutual agreement provided that the Ideta-Oko campers be readmitted back into Ife.

This was done and peace returned, but there was an exception. Some of the most irreconcilable faction of the Ideta-Oko campers wouldn’t give peace a chance.

This faction of the campers led by Obawinrin refused to return to Ife, and instead moved from Ideta-Oko to a forest location (i.e. Igbó) farther away from Ife .

This group from the forest (Igbó) location proceeded to engage in guerrilla attacks against the outskirts of the city of Ife.

This faction engaged in house burning, looting, and killings & maiming. These specific later attacks are the background to the Moremi/Igbó episode

This forest came to be known in the accounts also as Igbó-Ugbó (also spelt as Igbó-Igbó) — that is, the forest [hideout of some] Ugbós. This is in contrast with the city (i.e. Ife) where all Ugbós live by default.

Cheers!
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NB:
There have been some scholarly attempts to equate this Ugbó/Igbó (i.e. ‘the ancient ones’) of Ife [as well as the disgruntled faction who proceeded to camp in the Igbó (i.e. ‘forest’)] to be one and the same as the Ìgbò of present-day south-east Nigeria.

However, such scholars are generally fair enough to make it noticeable that their own opinions are in fact no more than likelihoods rather than anything firm.

Having said that, it is noteworthy that the Ugbó/Igbó of the Ife account is distinct and separate from the Ìgbò of present-day south-eastern Nigeria.

Although their respective roman orthographies or graphic representations appear the same, the words themselves are distinct and different.

These native African words are tonal like most native African words. Their referents are therefore deeper than their apparent roman orthographies.

Two differently toned native words would refer to different/distinct things regardless of their identical roman orthographies.

In our instance, the Ugbó or Igbó of the Ife account is differently toned from the Ìgbò of the south-east, and as such refers to different things/people, etc.

The Ugbó or Igbó of the Ife account is uttered with the same tone as one would utter the Yoruba word for “marijuana” — the tone therefore is “re, mi” for those who know some music.

The Ìgbò of the south-east, in contrast, is uttered with the same tone as one would utter the Yoruba word for “headbutt” — the tone thus is “do, do” for those who know some music. One may also listen here.

Cheers!

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by Olu317(m): 11:55pm On May 10
budaatum:
What amuses me is this assumption that all Yorubas originated from Oduduwa, when some hold on to Obatala as their origin.

Pity we do not teach history in our Nigerian schools I suppose, but intelligent individuals can still bother to educate themselves.

By the way, does anyone know what we named the people of the bush?
Perhaps it is seemingly true if one consider both patrilineal and matrilneal lineages but I dont think all Yorubas accept that ideology because some I have come across in real life and online did identified with Obatala as their ancestor.

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by budaatum: 11:59pm On May 10
Olu317:
Perhaps it is seemingly true if one consider both patrilineal and matrilneal lineages but I dont think all Yorubas accept that ideology because some I have come across in real life and online did identified with Obatala as their ancestor.

Let us be honest. Most Yorubas may have heard of Oduduwa and Obatala, but know nothing about their origin, since neither is really the origin of the Yorubas.

Its like we read and some believe that God created Adam and Eve and therefore all human beings. Those who bother to investigate however, will find otherwise, but this remains the template used to determine the origin of most tribes.

Quite a lot of "history" is going to be written the more knowledgeable and wiser we become.

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by Olu317(m): 12:38am On May 11
budaatum:
Many are not aware of the conflict in Yorubaland between Obatalans and Oduduwans. I guess that's because it's no more a big deal because many are not aware of their history, and even miss the symbolism when it is right before their eyes.

Go and learn about Obatala. Some of us are. Ọmọ Alade Sẹsẹ Funfun. You might notice us in your home village, if you still have one in your home village that is, wearing white to the shrine the day before market to ensure market sells. You'd also see us when your king is crowned.

It is a big deal but has been resolved through intermarriages,which made it hard to singlehandedly claim a lineage solely.

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by Olu317(m): 1:35am On May 11
budaatum:


Let us be honest. Most Yorubas may have heard of Oduduwa and Obatala, but know nothing about their origin, since neither is really the origin of the Yorubas.

Its like we read and some believe that God created Adam and Eve and therefore all human beings. Those who bother to investigate however, will find otherwise, but this remains the template used to determine the origin of most tribes.

Quite a lot of "history" is going to be written the more knowledgeable and wiser we become.
Iagree with you since a lot of information are yet to revealed due to vacuum in continuity of the written account in,inscribed on artifacts.

I am tempted to asert here that, many information are laying fallow to be unraveled, which shall be made manifest in near future because, researches are going on, as regard the identity of the founders of lie ife as it may be.

In furtherance, OduduIwa and Obatala are more of a religious ideology, and of which seemingly look different through identifiable families attached their sentiments of understanding of God to these deities but identical (kingly lineage and priest's) .
Although,renown Awo dino, posited that in Ifaodu Ogunda there're is a different version of creation myth which testify to the complexity of power creation,which was given to Ela,'Rumiela',which he
did a lot explanation on the identities.

While in another part of the Corpus, there is a sneaky introduction of Ala(Obatala), in which, he was ordered to be associated with the physically challenged creation after he lost the power of creation to OduduIwa, after he got drunk.

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by KingOKON: 6:40am On May 11
The up-to-date unanimous submission of the world’s historical scholarship of African & Yoruba History as at now is in line with the aboriginal Yoruba narrative of Oduduwa’s historical roots.

And it states that, “It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised”.

...according to the history of TAO11 and TAO12 aka the Bobrisky of NAIRALAND
evidence of mouth....yeye de smell
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by KingOKON: 7:20am On May 11
gregyboy:
The origin of Oduduwa like everyone believed to be from ife was actually a big false lie
The europeans had contact with the vast yorubas as early as 1826 and there was no mention of Oduduwa
Though they had contact with some Yorubas like ijebu, itsekiri aworis but they never mentioned or heard Oduduwa narrative from them. The ife people as we know where the most religious people in the ancient yoruba time,
And they were accorded respect by some yorubas, the ife people worshiped ifa, which had is derivative from the name ife, the worship of oduduwa never existed and the artworks found in ife were purchased by the ifa priest from art vendors who used them for religious purposes those artworks was never made in ife


The man who invented Oduduwa was samuel Johnson in 1897 an oyo captured slave who was schooled in lodon, and was later given his freedom back to Africa, He had formed Oduduwa from his imagination to falsely unit the yorubas into one, he had seen the future on European occupation in Africa and there was a need to prepare them a for a country by giving them a sense of unity in the future
The Benin claim to oduduwa was also false this was done when the bins at early times around 1915 sought political support from the yorubas and they were automatically grouped also as Oduduwa children


Oromiyan on the other hand is an idol from oyo believe to be their predecessor

Anyone with a contrary opinion should bring evidence



Tao11
Macof
Fezz
Etrusen

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The Persians had their myths and legends
Greek still have their myths and legends
Romans, British, Arabians and Africans same thing.
The question here is what are Myths and legends?
Why are people trying to personified MYTHS to become legends?
If some say Oduduwa was in Mecca before coming down, can someone plz give a date Oduduwa was born and four of his generation (descendants)
Let us discuss this having in mind the year and what was happening in other parts of the world
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by davidnazee: 12:06pm On May 11
TAO11:
And David-the-Dullard is butthurt and heartbroken again. cheesy

Lol.. see as body dey pepper u. anybody that doesn't believe your stories is a dullard.
hope u know that from survey, 50% of yorubas doesn't believe u or agree with your revised history.
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 12:34pm On May 11
davidnazee:
Lol.. see as body dey pepper u. anybody that doesn't believe your stories is a dullard.
Nope!

Virtually all Binis on Nairaland are DULLARDS. grin

You ask around if you think otherwise. LMAO! cheesy

hope u know that from survey, 50% of yorubas doesn't believe u or agree with your revised history.
Eeeyah!

You mean the sUrVeY conducted by the Holy ArOuSaL of Benin PLC ?? cheesy

Cheers!

Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by davidnazee: 2:11pm On May 11
TAO11:
Nope!

Virtually all Binis on Nairaland are DULLARDS. grin
Aww poor and frustrated TAO11. Everyone knows Yorubas believe Oduduwa fell from the sky or trekked from Mecca. You can't change the narrative..
Ask around if you don't believe me.
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 2:31pm On May 11
davidnazee:
Virtually all Binis on Nairaland are DULLARDS. grin
I agree. No questions about this.

[Aww poor and frustrated tao11.
David-The-Dullard on a mission of psychological projection. cheesy Hold fast to the Lord, dullard. Suicide is never an option. This too shall pass.

Everyone knows Yorubas believe Oduduwa fell from the sky or trekked from Mecca. You can't change the narrative... Ask around if you don't believe me.
To think you had to steal my line at the bolded. You’re clearly aspiring. You’re a good slave.

Anyways, I just asked around and guess what I found from historians of African & Yoruba History:

All who study the history of Ife and of the Yoruba people are now generally agreed that ... It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised. cheesy

Yes, this is a very painful piece of historical & scholarly information for my Bini slaves like yourself. cheesy

However, your ocean of tears to the contrary is void & inconsequential. grin

In fact, cry me five (5) different oceans. 1-2-3 go. cheesy

Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by davidnazee: 3:03pm On May 11
TAO11:


Anyways, I just asked around and guess what I found from historians of African & Yoruba History:

All who study the history of Ife and of the Yoruba people are NOW generally agreed that ... It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised. cheesy


Hahaha TAO12 the embarrassed yoruba liar don come again..
By "NOW" do you mean 2021 or 2020..
Your "now" narrative came to late.. we Nigerians know Dumb yoruba dullards think Oduduwa fell from the sky or trekked from mecca
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 3:26pm On May 11
The fact that you BiNis think (in a literal sense) that Ogiso-Igodo fell from the sky to Benin and that IDU grew out from Benin soil, should not be projected on your Yoruba slave-masters.

Having said that, see below:

davidnazee:
Hahaha TAO12 the embarrassed yoruba liar don come again..
By "NOW" do you mean 2021 or 2020. Your "now" narrative came to late.. we Nigerians know Dumb yoruba dullards think Oduduwa fell from the sky or trekked from mecca
My slave, it does not take a genius to figure out the root cause of your agony on my scholarly submission.

Everyone reading can actually see through the tears behind the “Hahahha” you typed. grin

Having punched that in, whenever you encounter the symbols and at the start & end of a statement, then be informed from now on that such words are not the writer’s own words.

So, the word ‘now’ within that statement I quoted is obviously not mine, okay? Good boy. I did not expect you to know that. cheesy

Secondly, I’m not sure how history works in Beninland, but here in Yorubaland laymen don’t decide historical conclusions; historians do.

And historians reach such conclusions by collecting & analyzing the aboriginal narrative about the actual people involved from they themselves.

And the aboriginal narrative of the Yorubas regarding Oduduwa’s historical roots depicts him as having his roots on the soil of Yorubaland.

This is the extant narrative on which the up-to-date conclusions of the world’s historical scholarship on African/Yoruba History was based to say that:

It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised.

I asked you to cry me five (5) different oceans. What are you still waiting for? cheesy

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by davidnazee: 4:44pm On May 11
TAO11:
The fact that you BiNis think (in a literal sense) that Ogiso-Igodo fell from the sky to Benin and that IDU grew out from Benin soil, should not be projected on your Yoruba slave-masters.

Having said that, see below:

My slave, it does not take a genius to figure out the root cause of your agony on my scholarly submission.

Everyone reading can actually see through the tears behind the “Hahahha” you typed. grin

Having punched that in, whenever you encounter the symbols and at the start & end of a statement, then be informed from now on that such words are not the writer’s own words.

So, the word ‘now’ within that statement I quoted is obviously not mine, okay? Good boy. I did not expect you to know that. cheesy

Secondly, I’m not sure how history works in Beninland, but here in Yorubaland laymen don’t decide historical conclusions; historians do.

And historians reach such conclusions by collecting & analyzing the aboriginal narrative about the actual people involved from they themselves.

And the aboriginal narrative of the Yorubas regarding Oduduwa’s historical roots depicts him as having his roots on the soil of Yorubaland.

This is the extant narrative on which the up-to-date conclusions of the world’s historical scholarship on African/Yoruba History was based to say that:

It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised.

I asked you to cry me five (5) different oceans. What are you still waiting for? cheesy

Listen little brain, You Yorubas and yoruba historians started your narrative too late, even the Edo Oduduwa story is older than yours..
First it was Oduduwa fell from sky/trekked from mecca (pre 1930s), Ododuwa is Edo prince (post 1930s) and Oduduwa was born on Yoruba soil (yoruba revisionist 2020/2021)..
Sorry your new story doesn't carry wait.. Oduduwa is either a meccan or skycrew (illogical) or an Edo prince (very logical).
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 5:29pm On May 11
My slave, it does not take a genius to figure out the root cause of your agony on my scholarly submission.

Everyone reading can actually see through the tears behind the “Hahahha” you typed. grin

Having punched that in, whenever you encounter the symbols and at the start & end of a statement, then be informed from now on that such words are not the writer’s own words.

So, the word ‘now’ within that statement I quoted is obviously not mine, okay? Good boy. I did not expect you to know that. cheesy

Secondly, I’m not sure how history works in Beninland, but here in Yorubaland laymen don’t decide historical conclusions; historians do.

And historians reach such conclusions by collecting & analyzing the aboriginal narrative about the actual people involved from they themselves.

And the aboriginal narrative of the Yorubas regarding Oduduwa’s historical roots depicts him as having his roots on the soil of Yorubaland.

This is the extant narrative on which the up-to-date conclusions of the world’s historical scholarship on African/Yoruba History was based to say that:

It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised.

I asked you to cry me five (5) different oceans. What are you still waiting for? cheesy

davidnazee:
Listen little brain, You Yorubas and yoruba historians started your narrative too late, even the Edo Oduduwa story is older than yours..
First it was Oduduwa fell from sky/trekked from mecca (pre 1930s), Ododuwa is Edo prince (post 1930s) and Oduduwa was born on Yoruba soil (yoruba revisionist 2020/2021)..
Sorry your new story doesn't carry wait.. Oduduwa is either a meccan or skycrew (illogical) or an Edo prince (very logical).

Having punched that deeper in to your naturally thick Edo skull, the following are some English words and phrases which have proven evasive to Edos since the 1700s till date:

(1) Aboriginal Narrative:— This, to an Edo slave, means Historical Conclusion. cheesy

(2) The World’s Historical Scholarship:— This, to an Edo slave, means Yoruba Revisionist 2020/2021. cheesy

Having said that, why are you so try hard to push for Oduduwa as Edo prince even when historians named that as an interesting nonsense which is also denied by extant received Benin accounts??

Furthermore, the Meccan & Middle-East narrative did not originate from the Yorubas’ own account.

Lastly, the fact that you Benins literally believe that Ogiso-Igodo dived from the sky into Benin-City is not a sufficient basis for you to say we Yorubas believe the same about Oduduwa.

* Winks. wink

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by babtoundey(m): 9:49pm On May 12
TAO11:
Eeeeehnhn-ehn?? ?? cheesy

Even Igala folks too (like Binis, Igbos, et al.) also want a share of this our Oduduwa ?? undecided

Make una no worry, las las we go leave this our very Oduduwa for una.

Who no like better thing?? grin
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PS:
But next time forge a non-contradictory script about Oduduwa, and your anti-rot everlasting stool. cheesy

Not this lame script of he is a Bini with an Igala name. What about you make up your f**cking mind? LMAO!

Abi you be another Bini miscreant masquerading as Igala ni ?? cheesy

The guy story is very upsetting. He they do me like make I eslap the idiot from here.

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 10:14pm On May 12
babtoundey:
The guy story is very upsetting. He they do me like make I eslap the idiot from here.
Give internet access to an idiot. That’s what you get.

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by gregyboy(m): 12:36pm On May 13
TAO11:
Give internet access to an idiot. That’s what you get.


Yea idiot like tao11 still knows is fellow idiot
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by MYZOLE: 3:10pm On May 14

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