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Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by gregyboy(m): 8:23pm On May 05
The origin of Oduduwa like everyone believed to be from ife was actually a big false lie
The europeans had contact with the vast yorubas as early as 1826 and there was no mention of Oduduwa
Though they had contact with some Yorubas like ijebu, itsekiri aworis but they never mentioned or heard Oduduwa narrative from them. The ife people as we know where the most religious people in the ancient yoruba time,
And they were accorded respect by some yorubas, the ife people worshiped ifa, which had is derivative from the name ife, the worship of oduduwa never existed and the artworks found in ife were purchased by the ifa priest from art vendors who used them for religious purposes those artworks was never made in ife


The man who invented Oduduwa was samuel Johnson in 1897 an oyo captured slave who was schooled in lodon, and was later given his freedom back to Africa, He had formed Oduduwa from his imagination to falsely unit the yorubas into one, he had seen the future on European occupation in Africa and there was a need to prepare them a for a country by giving them a sense of unity in the future
The Benin claim to oduduwa was also false this was done when the bins at early times around 1915 sought political support from the yorubas and they were automatically grouped also as Oduduwa children


Oromiyan on the other hand is an idol from oyo believe to be their predecessor

Anyone with a contrary opinion should bring evidence



Tao11
Macof
Fezz
Etrusen

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by budaatum: 8:38pm On May 05
gregyboy:

Anyone with a contrary opinion should bring evidence.

You mean we should educate you?

How much are you willing to pay to cure yourself of your lack of knowledge?

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by budaatum: 8:51pm On May 05
gregyboy:

Ready to drop 10k

If you can drop a European document post 1897 which talked about Oduduwa by any of the yorubas clans that came in contact with European remember Itshekiris, ijebu, luckumi ,aworis had contact with europeans as early as 14AD

Make payment to the account of this individual, ref budaatum. Details in signature. On confirmation of receipt your education will begin.

While at it, request a copy of Samuel Johnson's History of the Yorubas because it is obvious you have not read it.

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by gregyboy(m): 8:53pm On May 05
budaatum:


Make payment to the account of this individual, ref budaatum. Details in signature. On confirmation of receipt your education will begin.

While at it, request a copy of Samuel Johnson's History of the Yorubas because it is obvious you have not read it.


Hmm, lol, i have not read it, lol.....


Tell me something i dont know


Bring my supposed evidence first before payment
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by budaatum: 9:01pm On May 05
gregyboy:



Hmm, lol, i have not read it, lol.....


Tell me something i dont know


Bring my supposed evidence first before payment

Na, I don't trust you. You lie about reading Johnson so you'd probably be lying about the 10k or would argue that you have not been educated about the origin (and meaning which Johnson never mentioned) of odu ti o da iwa.

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by dgang: 9:12pm On May 05
Igbo boy on some kick below the belt type sheet. Lol

Nice one
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by Damovintrain: 11:53pm On May 05
What if I tell you that Ife originally is located at Kogi? And odudua was an Igala name that's Odu du WA meaning God's gifts.
hear how it started.

The so called Oduduwa was a bini Prince who had quarrels with his younger brother on who would succeed the late king their father.
The younger began to sort means of harming the elder and was overwhelming the later. So the elder decided to leave the fight and allow his brother ruling instead of shedding blood.

On his way running, he was caught by Ogala Kingdom boundary security guard.
So after asking him who he was and where he came from, he feared not to be returned back to his bini people, so he said he was God sent or from God.
So immediately, the guards rushed him to the king as he repeated the name as God sent.

After some while in Ogala now Igala Kingdom, the king gave him his daughter to marry with an allotted land to farm known as Ife.
There he bore children and feared that soon if he didn't change environment, his people would one-day know about this and come for him.

So he ran with his wife and children to the now known Ile Ife that's Ife house or home of Ife.
So meeting some Yoruba's there who were fighting war with the hope of finding a saviour, Odudua introduced himself as the sent from God.
They asked for signs to proof his claim, he took them to a mountain top and instructed a rope to come out of the sky which he told them was his means of transportation to earth. Though some believed he got these magical powers from his bini Kingdom while others held it that the Ogala people who practiced Ifa (traditional religion of sand, water and air ).

So after he lead them to battle which was won, he was installed as king.

He was ruling when the bini people learnt their king was ruling another land successfully. So they came begging he follows them back but he refused rather asked one of his sons to go on his stead who was later killed.


Till tomorrow in Ile Ife, there's a stool that no Yoruba person can sit on except a bini extract.

And only a bini person can coronate an Ife Oba...

Sorry I can't keep names and dates of this story... So no dates and names like the Ogala king,bini late king then etc
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by scholes0(m): 12:22am On May 06
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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by theTranslator: 3:36am On May 06
this Bini guys believe that without the European's validation cheesy there is no history
that is very dumb of you gregyboy

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by gregyboy(m): 10:38pm On May 07
theTranslator:
this Bini guys believe that without the European's validation cheesy
there is no history

that is very dumb of you gregyboy


So wr should gather dats from thin air....


Anybody comes and form one story and call it
History


Samuel Johnson was not a European didnt i also refrence him, it is not about European or shit, is about getting possible evidence to explain history and not the history people make in their bedroom
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by gregyboy(m): 10:40pm On May 07
Damovintrain:
What if I tell you that Ife originally is located at Kogi? And odudua was an Igala name that's Odu du WA meaning God's gifts.
hear how it started.

The so called Oduduwa was a bini Prince who had quarrels with his younger brother on who would succeed the late king their father.
The younger began to sort means of harming the elder and was overwhelming the later. So the elder decided to leave the fight and allow his brother ruling instead of shedding blood.

On his way running, he was caught by Ogala Kingdom boundary security guard.
So after asking him who he was and where he came from, he feared not to be returned back to his bini people, so he said he was God sent or from God.
So immediately, the guards rushed him to the king as he repeated the name as God sent.

After some while in Ogala now Igala Kingdom, the king gave him his daughter to marry with an allotted land to farm known as Ife.
There he bore children and feared that soon if he didn't change environment, his people would one-day know about this and come for him.

So he ran with his wife and children to the now known Ile Ife that's Ife house or home of Ife.
So meeting some Yoruba's there who were fighting war with the hope of finding a saviour, Odudua introduced himself as the sent from God.
They asked for signs to proof his claim, he took them to a mountain top and instructed a rope to come out of the sky which he told them was his means of transportation to earth. Though some believed he got these magical powers from his bini Kingdom while others held it that the Ogala people who practiced Ifa (traditional religion of sand, water and air ).

So after he lead them to battle which was won, he was installed as king.

He was ruling when the bini people learnt their king was ruling another land successfully. So they came begging he follows them back but he refused rather asked one of his sons to go on his stead who was later killed.


Till tomorrow in Ile Ife, there's a stool that no Yoruba person can sit on except a bini extract.

And only a bini person can coronate an Ife Oba...

Sorry I can't keep names and dates of this story... So no dates and names like the Ogala king,bini late king then etc


Is this what you call history theTranslator, history written with influence of expired weed

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by budaatum: 2:42pm On May 08
gregyboy:



Is this what you call history theTranslator, history written with influence of expired weed

The clue is in the word. His story, and not my story, or your story, which is what your opening post is.

For example, there is a story about some white person discovering a River Niger, but if do your own research you will find that some people were living by this River long before the white person claimed he suddenly discovered it.

Once you understand that fact you will stop believing stories and learn to write your own story with some credibility.

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by gregyboy(m): 7:05pm On May 09
budaatum:


The clue is in the word. His story, and not my story, or your story, which is what your opening post is.

For example, there is a story about some white person discovering a River Niger, but if do your own research you will find that some people were living by this River long before the white person claimed he suddenly discovered it.

Once you understand that fact you will stop believing stories and learn to write your own story with some credibility.
. Writing your own story from the influence of weed and living everyone more confused


You don't write history you explain it and once you start explaining it, if its accurate it immediately start flowing

Not the weed writing history that nigga put up there after taking some snuff
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by budaatum: 7:09pm On May 09
gregyboy:

. Writing your own story from the influence of weed and living everyone more confused


You don't write history you explain it and once you start explaining it, if its accurate it immediately start flowing

Not the weed writing history that nigga put up there after taking some snuff

You continue to believe history is not someone's story.

Just you note how intelligent people regard or ignore you however.
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by Fezz: 9:49am On May 10
budaatum:


Na, I don't trust you. You lie about reading Johnson so you'd probably be lying about the 10k or would argue that you have not been educated about the origin (and meaning which Johnson never mentioned) of odu ti o da iwa.

See how you dissected a simple name "oduduwa" to odu ti o da iwa. You guys are clowns. You are plainly fabricators, trying to give yoruba meanings to every name you come across. Very funny post kiss
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by Fezz: 9:56am On May 10
Damovintrain:
What if I tell you that Ife originally is located at Kogi? And odudua was an Igala name that's Odu du WA meaning God's gifts.
hear how it started.

The so called Oduduwa was a bini Prince who had quarrels with his younger brother on who would succeed the late king their father.
The younger began to sort means of harming the elder and was overwhelming the later. So the elder decided to leave the fight and allow his brother ruling instead of shedding blood.

On his way running, he was caught by Ogala Kingdom boundary security guard.
So after asking him who he was and where he came from, he feared not to be returned back to his bini people, so he said he was God sent or from God.
So immediately, the guards rushed him to the king as he repeated the name as God sent.

After some while in Ogala now Igala Kingdom, the king gave him his daughter to marry with an allotted land to farm known as Ife.
There he bore children and feared that soon if he didn't change environment, his people would one-day know about this and come for him.

So he ran with his wife and children to the now known Ile Ife that's Ife house or home of Ife.
So meeting some Yoruba's there who were fighting war with the hope of finding a saviour, Odudua introduced himself as the sent from God.
They asked for signs to proof his claim, he took them to a mountain top and instructed a rope to come out of the sky which he told them was his means of transportation to earth. Though some believed he got these magical powers from his bini Kingdom while others held it that the Ogala people who practiced Ifa (traditional religion of sand, water and air ).

So after he lead them to battle which was won, he was installed as king.

He was ruling when the bini people learnt their king was ruling another land successfully. So they came begging he follows them back but he refused rather asked one of his sons to go on his stead who was later killed.


Till tomorrow in Ile Ife, there's a stool that no Yoruba person can sit on except a bini extract.

And only a bini person can coronate an Ife Oba...

Sorry I can't keep names and dates of this story... So no dates and names like the Ogala king,bini late king then etc

Hmmm.. The igalas also agree with the bini origin. Interesting and nicely said. I also agree with the bolden.

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 1:17pm On May 10
Eeeeehnhn-ehn?? ?? cheesy

Even Igala folks too (like Binis, Igbos, et al.) also want a share of this our Oduduwa ?? undecided

Make una no worry, las las we go leave this our very Oduduwa for una.

Who no like better thing?? grin
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PS:
But next time forge a non-contradictory script about Oduduwa, and your anti-rot everlasting stool. cheesy

Not this lame script of he is a Bini with an Igala name. What about you make up your f**cking mind? LMAO!

Abi you be another Bini miscreant masquerading as Igala ni ?? cheesy

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 1:37pm On May 10
Fezz:
See how you dissected a simple name "oduduwa" to odu ti o da iwa. You guys are clowns. You are plainly fabricators, trying to give yoruba meanings to every name you come across. Very funny post kiss
(1) Translate the Bini word “Ogiso” into English.

(2) Map each component of the English to each of the components in the original. cheesy

In my lifetime, I will continue to see to it that Benins make use of their brains.

My friend Ewuare-2 dared me that it is impossible. I told him to watch and see. cheesy

Cc: budaatum

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by Fezz: 2:43pm On May 10
TAO11:
(1) Translate the Bini word “Ogiso” into English.

(2) Map each component of the English to each of the components in the original. cheesy

In my lifetime, I will continue to see to it that Benins make use of their brains.

My friend Ewuare-2 dared me that it is impossible. I told him to watch and see. cheesy

Cc: budaatum

Stop making a fool of yourself. The meaning of Ogiso is quite straight forward, unlike the yorubas that will add suffix and prefix to a name just so that it has meaning to them.
Ogie (king)+ iso (the sky)= (Ogiso) king of the sky.
So straight forward.
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by Fezz: 2:47pm On May 10
TAO11:
Eeeeehnhn-ehn?? ?? cheesy

Even Igala folks too (like Binis, Igbos, et al.) also want a share of this our Oduduwa ?? undecided

Make una no worry, las las we go leave this our very Oduduwa for una.

Who no like better thing?? grin
———————
PS:
But next time forge a non-contradictory script about Oduduwa.

Not this lame script of he is a Bini with an Igala name. Make up your f**cking mind bro. LMAO!

Abi you be another Bini miscreant masquerading as Igala ni ?? cheesy

The sooner you understand he is not your "oduduwa", the better for you. He only migrated to ile-ife after he ran away from Igodomigodo kiss.. even the igalas also attest to this.. Lmao kiss grin
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 4:10pm On May 10
Fezz:
Stop making a fool of yourself. The meaning of Ogiso is quite straight forward, unlike the yorubas that will add suffix and prefix to a name just so that it has meaning to them.
Ogie (king)+ iso (the sky)= (Ogiso) king of the sky.
So straight forward.
Now, I’m not sure what you mean by straightforward.

Let’s apply the same dumb reasoning of yours with which you attacked @budaatum:

The actual word is “ogiso” — o.g.i.s.o.

To tell us the meaning of “ogiso,” you wrote: ogie-iso — o.g.i.e.i.s.o.

Where did the extra “i” and “e” pop-out from ?? grin

I’m simply applying your own lame reasoning to your own translation of the simple word, “ogiso”.

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Your former fraud-in-chief Erediauwa translated this simple word “ogiso” as follows:

ogien'oriso” — o.g.i.e.n.o.r.i.s.o.

Where did the extra “i,” “e,” “n,” “o,” and “r” pop-out from ?? grin

I’m simply applying your own lame reasoning to your own’s translation of the simple word, “ogiso”.

Cheers!

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 4:20pm On May 10
Fezz:
The sooner you understand he is not your "oduduwa", the better for you. He only migrated to ile-ife after he ran away from Igodomigodo kiss.. even the igalas also attest to this.. Lmao kiss grin
Well, you are allowed to dream. grin The so-called Igala boy (whom no Igala account agrees with) is allowed to dream as well.

However, historians’ conclusion stands that Oduduwa has absolutely nothing to do with Benin except that one of his male descendants established a monarchy over the backward Binis.

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by davidnazee: 5:48pm On May 10
TAO11:
Well, you are allowed to dream. grin The so-called Igala boy (whom no Igala account agrees with) is allowed to dream as well.

However, historians’ conclusion stands that Oduduwa has absolutely nothing to do with Benin except that one of his male descendants established a monarchy over the backward Binis.

Mugu, historians also say he is not from Yoruba but a foreigner that became your Abraham. So what are u celebrating?
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by gregyboy(m): 6:06pm On May 10
This is what you get when you decided to beat around the mythology created by men for political unification what you get is unendless talks that leades to know where

Precious time that would be used to unreveal other part of vital history yet untouched and unexplained will be waisted on unprecedented
Gibberish argument

All to troll each other for tribal reasons and catch fun

Arguing with people that have no history, people who built their history on myth and lies yet you invite them to distort it, then you start yelling they are taking your history away when you actually invited them grin grin what do you aspect eat your cake and still have it


In my spare time, later in years i will dedicate my time researching benin history to a standstill
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by budaatum: 6:08pm On May 10
Fezz:


See how you dissected a simple name "oduduwa" to odu ti o da iwa. You guys are clowns. You are plainly fabricators, trying to give yoruba meanings to every name you come across. Very funny post kiss

You are obviously not very familiar with the Yoruba language nor with how to discuss without the insults, neither of which I can begin to educate you in I'm afraid. Thankfully, see how others are educating you.

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 6:24pm On May 10
davidnazee:
Mugu, historians also say he is not from Yoruba but a foreigner that became your Abraham. So what are u celebrating?
Hey Dullard:

Please tell us which HiStOriAn said that, and in what year??

[Folks, pay attention to how this simple question will be difficult for him to answer to the letter]

Everybody Tom, Dick, and Harry wants Oduduwa. Who no like better thing?

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For your information:

The up-to-date unanimous submission of the world’s historical scholarship of African & Yoruba History as at now is in line with the aboriginal Yoruba narrative of Oduduwa’s historical roots.

And it states that, “It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised”.

If you like die because you want Oduduwa a.k.a. better pikin. cheesy

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by budaatum: 6:53pm On May 10
What amuses me is this assumption that all Yorubas originated from Oduduwa, when some hold on to Obatala as their origin.

Pity we do not teach history in our Nigerian schools I suppose, but intelligent individuals can still bother to educate themselves.

By the way, does anyone know what we named the people of the bush?

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by davidnazee: 7:00pm On May 10
TAO11:
Hey Dullard:

Please inform us what HiStOriAn said that, and in what year??

[Folks, pay attention to how this simple question will be difficult for him to answer to the letter]

Everybody Tom, Dick, and Harry wants Oduduwa. Who no like better thing?

——————
For your information:

The up-to-date unanimous submission of the world’s historical scholarship of African & Yoruba History as at now is in line with the aboriginal Yoruba narrative of Oduduwa’s historical roots.

And it states that, “It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised”.

If you like die because you want Oduduwa a.k.a. better pikin. cheesy




I don't want to argue why you continue living in denial, that's your business.. but for your information, everywhere you look you only find 3 options for Oduduwa's origin. They are;

A. East from mecca
B. East from Edo (Igodomigodo)
C. Up, fell from the sky.

These are your only options, so choose the most reasonable and logical option.
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 7:11pm On May 10
budaatum:
What amuses me is this assumption that all Yorubas originated from Oduduwa, when some hold on to Obatala as their origin.

Pity we do not teach history in our Nigerian schools I suppose, but intelligent individuals can still bother to educate themselves.

By the way, does anyone know what we named the people of the bush?
We must be willing to pay close attention to what our elders mean when they say Oduduwa is our father.

First of all Oduduwa had parents, he also lived in the context of time & space with his contemporaries around the 11th century — just 11th century here oo.

Secondly, what is meant when our elders regard him as our father is NOT that he gave rise to his own parents, ancestors, wives, contemporaries, and every single Yoruba living today. No, our elders obviously didn’t mean that. That’s obvious enough at this point not to have been what is meant.

What our elders mean then by regarding him as our father is that he played an extremely pivotal & significant role which completely transformed Ife and hence Yoruba civilization in the most significant era of our early history, viz. in the late 10th century/early 11th century.

And because Obatala (a contemporary of Oduduwa) also played the same role (but to a lesser degree) around the same period, he also was elevated by the Yoruba people to that lofty status of father.

This use of the word (i.e. “father”) is not in the sense that Obatala and Oduduwa gave rise to all Yorubas alive today. Of course their contemporaries in Ife at the time were not impotent. They also have their own descendants too among present-day Yorubas.

Cheers!

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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 7:13pm On May 10
First of all, no sane human being (let alone historians) ever took the fraudulent modern-day Edo origin super-story serious at any point in the scholarship of African history. So, do not squeeze it in in an attempt to compensate for you natural Edo insecurity.

davidnazee:
I don't want to argue why you continue living in denial, that's your business.. but for your information, everywhere you look you only find 3 options for Oduduwa's origin. They are;

A. East from mecca
[s]B. East from Edo (Igodomigodo)
C. Up, fell from the sky.

These are your only options, so choose the most reasonable and logical option.
And as expected, david-the-dullard didn’t disappoint me. cheesy

I’d give you one more chance by copying and pasting the comment here again.

Hey Dullard:

Please tell us which HiStOriAn said that, and in what year??

[Folks, pay attention to how this simple question will be difficult for him to answer to the letter]

Everybody Tom, Dick, and Harry wants Oduduwa. Who no like better thing?

——————
For your information:

The up-to-date unanimous submission of the world’s historical scholarship of African & Yoruba History as at now is in line with the aboriginal Yoruba narrative of Oduduwa’s historical roots.

And it states that, “It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised”.

If you like die because you want Oduduwa a.k.a. better pikin.
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by davidnazee: 7:18pm On May 10
TAO11:
And as expected, david-the-dullard didn’t disappoint. cheesy

I’d give you one more chance by copying and pasting the comment here again.

The only person that buys your nonsense is you..
Everyone knows Oduduwa is not yoruba..

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