Ikwerre have kings

Igboid:



Problem with people like you is that you are emotional, yet you don't realize it.
It's your emotions talking right there and not your brain.
There are no pro Igbo elements in Ikwerre land, they all become pro Igbo at different times in their lives when being so offer some advantage and quickly revert to their default Igbophobic settings once things normalize. If you live in PH, you would know these people well.
The ones you currently think are pro Igbo are only so because it's currently favorable to them. When it no longer is, they revert to default setting.
Obi Wali was a member of Ogbako Ikwerre and a close friend of Elechi Amadi. I don't remember him ever speaking up against Ogbakor Ikwerre position. Some of you are blinded by emotions that you can't see anymore.

Amaechi is claiming Igbo now, but he remains a member of Ogbakor Ikwerre, an organization it's Igbo hate is well known. He has never for once challenged them.
And when he was the governor of Rivers State, he was very Igbophobic to align with his Ikwerre people.
I remember him asking GEJ if they (Ndi Rivers State) are Biafrans, when they lost oil fields to Bayelsa and some to Abia.
Amaechi was reminding GEJ that removal of oil producing locations from a state is special treatment reserved for Ndiigbo(Biafrans) and not for him and his Rivers people.

But today Amaechi has become Igbo overnight.

Dude,
You are the one full of emotions!
You know nothing about global politics!
Russia annexed Crimea! Some parts of Gorgia!
China has fastened the pace of taking over Hong Kong! Most Hong kongers behave like most ikwerres!
China is getting set for war over Taiwan.
India and China are fighting over an unhabitable peace of mountains in the Himalayas.
India and pakistan are at each other's throat in kashmir!
If not for how powerful the Americans are, Russia would have gone to war to retake Alaska. Do you know the geopolitical consequences of the sell of Alaska from Russia to America?
Korea and Japan are about to fight over a peace of island the size of a football pitch!
Should I go further?

And you have a reasonable piece of territory at your back that you can easily retake, reorient and reconstruct to fit your ideology, you won't do so because some of them are hostile to you!?
What kind of haughty, pedestrian and placid politics is that?
It reminds me of how Nigeria dashed bakassi away..
Fight for what belongs to you! Or are you going to dump the guys at Obigbo too?
They were killing them the other day, where were you help out?
You are still upset over the war? It happened! And They minorities denied us! So freaking what!?
The fact is that going forward , with the igbo population, reach and proximity, these can be drastically changed. So why not try?
Look ahead Abegi..

Stop allowing trivial vituperations of some worn out politicians like Amaechi to get under your skin..

owobokiri:


Dude,
You are the one full of emotions!
You know nothing about global politics!
Russia annexed Crimea! Some parts of Gorgia!
China has fastened the pace of taking over Hong Kong! Most Hong kongers behave like most ikwerres!
China is getting set for war over Taiwan.
India and China are fighting over an unhabitable peace of mountains in the Himalayas.
India and pakistan are at each other's throat in kashmir!
If not for how powerful the Americans are, Russia would have gone to war to retake Alaska. Do you know the geopolitical consequences of the sell of Alaska from Russia to America?
Korea and Japan are about to fight over a peace of island the size of a football pitch!
Should I go further?

And you have a reasonable piece of territory at your back that you can easily retake, reorient and reconstruct to fit your ideology, you won't do so because some of them are hostile to you!?
What kind of haughty, pedestrian and placid politics is that?
It reminds me of how Nigeria dashed bakassi away..
Fight for what belongs to you! Or are you going to dump the guys at Obigbo too?
They were killing them the other day, where were you help out?
You are still upset over the war? It happened! And They minorities denied us! So freaking what!?
The fact is that going forward , with the igbo population, reach and proximity, these can be drastically changed. So why not try?
Look ahead Abegi..

Stop allowing trivial vituperations of some worn out politicians like Amaechi to get under your skin..

China didn't go for Hong Kong from a position of weakness.
They let British keep Hong Kong for years, they let Hong Kong people live in the bubble of their distinct nature and independence from China mainland.
They just focused on themselves (China mainland) and improved themselves.
Now they can come for Hong Kong from a position of strength, and nothing anyone, even Hong Kong people themselves can do about it, and you are damn sure they would come for Taiwan too.

They are not coming for these places by "Abeg Abeg, we are brothers o!" they are coming from a place of coersion.
This is not what your IPOB are doing in Ikwerre and other Igboids.
You are rather negotiating from position of weakness, rolling on the floor, begging like a weakling. You lots are pathetic. Trying to appeal to the sense of kinship of a people who not only do not see you as kin, but sees you as an enemy to crush. And you have the temerity to compare this to China vs Hong Kong and China vs Taiwan? Nawao!

The right move is to cut this lots off, they are currently nothing but liabilities.
Then work on strengthening Igboland, miliarily and economically, and when the time is right, you can renegotiate from a position of strength and no one can stand in your way. That's how China handled Hong Kong and are now handling Taiwan. You know the history, but you don't understand them, let alone the Dynamics at play in their implementation.

Igboid:


China didn't go for Hong Kong from a position of weakness.
They let British keep Hong Kong for years, they let Hong Kong people live in the bubble of their distinct nature from China mainland.
They just focused on themselves (China mainland) and improved themselves.
Now they can come for Hong Kong from a position of strength, and nothing anyone, even Hong Kong people themselves can do about it, and you are damn sure they would come for Taiwan too.

They are not coming for these places by "Abeg Abeg" , they are coming from a place of coersion.
This is not what your IPOB are doing in Ikwerre and other Igboids.
You are rather negotiating from position of weakness, rolling on the floor, begging like a weakling. You lots are pathetic.

The right move is to cut this lots off, they are currently nothing but liabilities.
Then work on strengthening Igboland, miliarily and economically, and when the time is right, you can renegotiate from a position of strength and no one can stand in your way.

They are not liabilities..
And no one is negotiating from a position of weakness there!
China waited for hundred years because the sold off Hong Kong per se to the British so the imperialists will leave mainland China and stop the opium trade..
You have to agree that it makes no sense to accept the present boundaries drawn by federal Nigeria.

MANDIPUTIN:
Recently, just a few years ago, Ogbakor Ikwerre wrote Bini Kingdom a letter seeking to identify with them as to establish an acclaimed Bini ancestry but in response, Bini Kingdom stated that there was no available evidence that Bini has anything to do with Ikwerre ancestrally. This fact is on record but just to state that we must be careful as a people not to allow the quest by some for political correctness cast us into the bottomless pit.

Nobody has said, and I did not say Ikwerre is Igbo, but it is doubtless that Ikwerre as a multi ancestral ethnic block has most of its ancestry traced to Igbo. All the crap that Igbo hates Ikwerre is just a post civil war narrative and script and has never worked for us.
Do you know what is called carbon dating, anthropology, archaeological investigation or DNA of a people? It is there for us to apply further beyond rabblerousing. By the way, assuming without conceding, let us look at it, what Bini documents have you studied or can anyone reference that has Ikwerre or Iwhuoroha as you call it as validating the purported Ikwerre-Bini origin? What is Bini about Ikwerre? Are you aware that Bini people have denied any link with Ikwerre on record?

Ironically, Elele people are in court in Benin claiming that they own Bini and not the other way round. They claim strongly that they were in the land of Bini as owners before the arrival of Bini people in history. It will be an interesting legal engagement.
Are you also aware that there are lots of Ikwerre prominent families that have traced their ancestry to Ngwa, Arum, etc in Igbo land? Are you Aware that Ohaji in Imo state is an Ikwerre clan which Prof. Otinti affirmed in his book History of Ikwerre People Volume 1?

Do you know about Ikwerre-Ede in Imo State?? When you struggle to assert an erroneous Bini ancestry or kill the Igbo roots, you raise the flawed argument of abandoned property yet for the records:
1. Sir Jackson Mpi, first and last Ikwerre to be conferred with Knight of the Order of British Empire, OBE, by Queen Elizabeth II of England in 1960, identified himself as Igbo. From the ancient Kingdom of Isiokpo, Sir Mpi worked tirelessly for Igbo advancement.
2. Dr Obi Wali was the first Ikwerre PhD holder, senator and university lecturer. He was also the only Ikwerre in the 1978 Constituent Assembly where he was selected as one of the 50 Wise Men that drafted the 1979 constitution. The great Dr Wali identified fully with his Igbo heritage and was gruesomely assassinated defending it.
3. Okogbule Wonodi, first Ikwerre registrar of any university, first and only Ikwerre poet and Paramount title Holder of Eze Ohiaemeru.Ohiaemeru, where you have present-day Comprehensive College in Borokiri, was his ancestral home before the British vacated them between 1913-1923. Wonodi remained a respected member of Nzukor Igbo and Ohanaeze Ndigbo till the end of his life.
4. Patriot Emmanuel Aguma was former Mayor of Port Harcourt. As Principal of St John College, Diobu, he was the first Ikwerre to head any college. One of six pre-independence Ikwerre University graduates, former administrator of Port Harcourt Province in the defunct Peoples Republic of Biafra, first Ikwere minister in 1979, Aguma remained a member of Ohanaeze Ndigbo.
5. Emmanuel Oriji was a respected local government administrator, traditional ruler, a commissioner in old Rivers and core Igbo nationalist.
The immediate past Deputy Secretary-General of Ohanaeze Ndigbo, Chief Isaac Wonwu, is an illustrious Ikwerre son from Elele. He is known to assert his Igbo identity. Equally valid, Chief Jackson Womenazu from Rumukurushi in the Evo Kingdom is a member of the Elders’ Council of Ohanaeze Ndigbo.
6. In colonial documents, written when Igbos had no capacity to influence anything, Ikwerres also defined themselves as having Igbo ancestry.

When Ikwerre leaders presented their case before the 1957 Sir Henry Willinks Commission, Wobo declared that Ikwerres were Igbos and Port Harcourt to Onitsha was Igbo land.
The cream of Ikwerreland have asserted their Igboness. Most illustrious sons and daughters.
Tell me any Ikwerre whose CV can match those of Mpi, Wobo, Aguma, Wonodi, Dr Wali etc? Even the Ijaws that are not Igbos in any way worked closely with our Igbo counterparts. Amanyagbor of Kalabari was Adviser to Ojukwu on Political Matters.
The great S.P.U Ogan was Adviser on Traditional Matters. Sylvanus Cookey former VC of Uniport was in the Cabinet office of Ojukwu. He and Arthur Mbanefo were the only person in that office. This is why the likes of Alhaji Asari Dokubo have made frantic moves to establish their alliance with Ndi Igbo and the Biafra question. Need I talk about the strong structure of the ogoni block which has been enviably internationalised?? This is despite the fact that Obio-Akpor Local Government Area in Ikwerre land has more crude oil than the whole of Ogoni land.

This is the record as verified in the NNPC. Where are we actually, what is the definition of our identity? What is our stake in the Nigerian project and what are our demands?? Is this how we want Ikwerre to die? By playing "be careful?"
Untill Ikwerre does the needful to strongly establish its alliance with her strong neighbours without prejudice, we are nearing extinction in many ways, because of the abuse and misery contributorily brought upon us by our own political elites, who have used our strength to trade their selfish political interests, without empowering our people economically for the future. Ikwerre is one of the highest oil-rich ethnic nationalities, and contributes among the highest barrels daily and in revenue to the federation, account yet attempts have been made to suppress this fact, and our own politicians curiously conspire to kill this basic advantage which should be one of our negotiating tools, just because it is not in their selfish interest as they think.

To them, no other Ikwerre sons or daughters must be millionaires or billionaires but come cap in hand to them. Shame! Let me ask a simple question, if anarchy or war breaks out today, or this disputed Nigeria tears apart, where will Ikwerre be in the equation?

Major ethnic blocks are busy forming cohesion and synergy for the future while we are still fighting identity crisis.
We should better wake up and face reality. Anyone can chose to get primordial about these realities but we can not run away and expect to thrive by taking the back seats in almost everything.

© LIVINGSTONE WECHIE Is Ikwerre, a native of Nkpolu Oroworukwo Community, Rebisi, in the Port Harcourt City Local Government Area of Rivers State.
He is the Convener of IKWERRE PEOPLE'S CONGRESS (IPC) and the Executive Director, THE INTEGRITY FRIENDS FOR TRUTH AND PEACE INITIATIVE (TIFPI)
He is a Lawyer, Human Rights Activist and Researcher.

The young man named LIVINGSTONE WECHIE almost uncovered the what is Ikwerre. All the bolded names were the founding fathers of Ohanaeze Ndigbo.

jerseyboy:
Nobody wants to live amongst Igbos, not even Igbos want to live amongst themselves at home. Unfortunate truth is nobody likes Igbos. Igbos who want to remain with this hateful Nigerians lack self respect. Biafra is Anambra, Enugu, Imo, Abia and Ebonyi

You are very much correct. It is the reason many dirty ass Nigerians do not want Ndigbo to secede from Nigeria.

owobokiri:

They are not liabilities..
And no one is negotiating from a position of weakness the!
China waited for hundred years because the sold off Hong Kong per se to the British so the imperialists will leave mainland China and stop the opium trade..
You have to agree that it makes no sense to accept to the present boundaries drawn by federal Nigeria.?

In life you have to work with what fate handed to you. For years after the end of WW2, Germany also struggled to accept the new boundaries of Germany,USSR and the allies drew.
USSR had claimed large parts of Eastern Poland and in return would have parts of Eastern Germany given to Poland as compensation.
It was a bitter pill for Germany to swallow, but you can't negotiate things to your terms from a position of weakness.
Eventually it dawned on Germany that to move on from the war and rebuild their unity, they had to give away those lands.

It was painful as native Germans in those parts had to leave the land or become polish.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oder%E2%80%93Neisse_line

Today Germany is the strongest country in Europe again and if for any reason they still want those lands, they would damn take it by force now, and nothing any bastard can do about it.

Nothing we can do about FG new boundaries of Igboland. We lost a war and that tends to happen when you lose a war.
We have to make peace with those boundaries. Work with it, grow our power (miliarily and economically) excruciatingly and quietly and then come for what is ours no matter how long it takes.
That's how rational people behave. You must always negotiate from a position of power and not of weakness.

And yes! Ikwerres and all those Igbophobic Igboids are nothing but liabilities to us currently.

BTW. Obiigbo is Ndoki and Asaland. Those are proud Igbos, they are not Igbophobic Igboids and I have nothing against them. They are bonafide and genuine Igbos, I have nothing but love for them.

Christistruth00:

Ikwerre have kings

Christistruth00:

Ikwerre have kings

I know what you have in mind.

But one thing you should know is that Ndigbo had kings in the past.

We wouldn't have had the name "Eze" if there was nothing like monarchy in our lands.
i.e We named Leopard and Lion, Agu and Odum, because they existed in our lands.
We didn't name Tiger anything, because there was nothing like it in our lands.

The name Ezebuiro means king/monarchy is bad and it attest to what I am saying.

Ezenfunala means king/monarchy that didn't originate from warrant chief. If we didn't have kings we won't have this word/name that diferentiat between real and fake king.


So,
Igboenweghieze is a modern saying that should not be taken serious.

How can one say that thing?
Like Ukpabi Asika said, we were all different independent Clans before the British joined us together, one person from one igbo clan can't say Ndigbo are or are not. He should say in my place/clan.

owobokiri:


Dude,
You are the one full of emotions!
You know nothing about global politics!
Russia annexed Crimea! Some parts of Gorgia!
China has fastened the pace of taking over Hong Kong! Most Hong kongers behave like most ikwerres!
China is getting set for war over Taiwan.
India and China are fighting over an unhabitable peace of mountains in the Himalayas.
India and pakistan are at each other's throat in kashmir!
If not for how powerful the Americans are, Russia would have gone to war to retake Alaska. Do you know the geopolitical consequences of the sell of Alaska from Russia to America?
Korea and Japan are about to fight over a peace of island the size of a football pitch!
Should I go further?

And you have a reasonable piece of territory at your back that you can easily retake, reorient and reconstruct to fit your ideology, you won't do so because some of them are hostile to you!?
What kind of haughty, pedestrian and placid politics is that?
It reminds me of how Nigeria dashed bakassi away..
Fight for what belongs to you! Or are you going to dump the guys at Obigbo too?
They were killing them the other day, where were you help out?
You are still upset over the war? It happened! And They minorities denied us! So freaking what!?
The fact is that going forward , with the igbo population, reach and proximity, these can be drastically changed. So why not try?
Look ahead Abegi..

Stop allowing trivial vituperations of some worn out politicians like Amaechi to get under your skin..

The guy should stick to his medical field and leave politics alone. He is overly emotional on Ikwerre issue.
@Igboid, your emotional standpoint over Ikwerre matter does not carry the day. As we speak, more Ikwerre are coming into Ohaneze folds, and yes, in the long run, they are very useful to the Igbo course. It will take time... Wike will not be governor for ever.

blues234:

The guy should stick to his medical field and leave politics alone. He is overly emotional on Ikwerre issue.
@Igboid, your emotional standpoint over Ikwerre matter does not carry the day. As we speak, more Ikwerre are coming into Ohaneze folds, and yes, in the long run, they are very useful to the Igbo course. It will take time... Wike will not be governor for ever.

More scammers are rushing to Ohanaeze funded with money from 5SE states for free money.
Do you blame them? If they offer you free posts and money wouldn't you rush into an Organization your people back home don't support?
Wike is not a misnomer in Ikwerre land. Wike is the norm. He is a quintessential Ikwerre man who shares the mindset of Ikwerre grassroot.
Some of you are emotional and cannot handle the truth. You would rather lie to yourselves to feel good.

Well, I would be here to always wake you up from your Utopia.

Ikwerre is not Igbo. Any Ikwerre man you see claiming Igbo, is a potential scammer.

The same Ikwerre man whose words formed the OP of this thread.
Is the same one who said this:“For the records, Ikwerre is an independent ethnic nation in Nigeria with a global spread and are not subservient to any other ethnic block whatsoever and under any guise.


You see that these people are scammers. He is Igbo today, Ikwerre tomorrow, and Igbophobic Bini the next time.
These are unstable people you cannot vouch for their loyalty.
As far as group union and communality is concerned, they are liabilities, since they are not trustWorthy and highly unreliable.

blues234:

The guy should stick to his medical field and leave politics alone. He is overly emotional on Ikwerre issue.
@Igboid, your emotional standpoint over Ikwerre matter does not carry the day. As we speak, more Ikwerre are coming into Ohaneze folds, and yes, in the long run, they are very useful to the Igbo course. It will take time... Wike will not be governor for ever.

Igboid is right.

You have to be logical by just watching and observing Mr Livingston Ewechie

You should not start romancing his so called tribe, minutes after reading his opinion.

It is true that most people from his tribe believe that they are Ndigbo, but they are minority. And, you and I knows that majority carries the vote.


You should have seen these peoples true colors when Wike was killing Ndigbo, during the end SARS period.

You should have observed that non of them condemned the massacre.

You should have observed that they were mute because they felt that Ndigbo were another tribe, therefore they shouldn't be bothered whether Wike killed them or not.

I myself is not IPOB, but I do cry when they are killed by NA, because the same blood runs in our veins.


Lastly, if this River State tribe want to start identifying with us let them start campaigning for it.

It is stupidity for us South easterners to do the campaigning when we are not sure about them.

“I will lead a war against them (Nigeria) like Ojukwu. Am not joking, I know am on air, and I am warning them now. Any attempt to rob us the way they rob our brother (GEJ), the battle will start from Rivers State. We will remain opposition state like Lagos. In fact, we from the South-South and South-East will remain in PDP. We leave the South-West and North to run APC. That is how they tactically shared the country. And we will not allow them use our resources to develop their States…I want all South-South and South-East to remember this, that we’ve two Judas.”

The above was Wike in 2015 when he was up against APC forces backed by Yoruba and Northern elements.

But we all know how things are going today, don't we?
That's the quintessential Ikwerre behavior for you.
Some of us will no longer keep quiet and allow you emotional ones Allow these Igboids toy with Ndiigbo, because most of you are emotionally weak and are on you knees begging for kinship with a people who has nothing to offer you.

Collyweed:


Stop the pity party! The war ended over half a century ago.

They have all made their position known and abundantly too. And we have heard and we will not forget. We freaking don't need any of them.

Many of our people are suffering from psychological issues.
They are making up excuses for a people who took their properties and continue to habour deep seated hate for you.
You know you are in a toxic relationship when you start blaming yourself for the wrong the toxic partner did to you.

Like you start believing you were responsible for their bad behavior towards you.
Go through that dude post and see all evidence of an emotionally weak person making up excuses for a toxic partner by blaming himself for the toxic partner wrong doings towards him.

Emotional weaklings who don't Know when they are being manipulated by toxic people.
Tufiakwa!

ChangedMan1999:


I know what you have in mind.

But one thing you should know is that Ndigbo had kings in the past.

We wouldn't have had the name "Eze" if there was nothing like monarchy in our lands.
i.e We named Leopard and Lion, Agu and Odum, because they existed in our lands.
We didn't name Tiger anything, because there was nothing like it in our lands.

The name Ezebuiro means king/monarchy is bad and it attest to what I am saying.

Ezenfunala means king/monarchy that didn't originate from warrant chief. If we didn't have kings we won't have this word/name that diferentiat between real and fake king.


So,
Igboenweghieze is a modern saying that should not be taken serious.

How can one say that thing?
Like Ukpabi Asika said, we were all different independent Clans before the British joined us together, one person from one igbo clan can't say Ndigbo are or are not. He should say in my place/clan.

There is also a well known saying

————— Igbo have no Kings

Though in ancient Ife History the Igbos of Ife had the Obatala dynasty of Kings

ChangedMan1999:


Igboid is right.

You have to be logical by just watching and observing Mr Livingston Ewechie

You should not start romancing his so called tribe, minutes after reading his opinion.

It is true that most people from his tribe believe that they are Ndigbo, but they are minority. And, you and I knows that majority carries the vote.


You should have seen these peoples true colors when Wike was killing Ndigbo, during the end SARS period.

You should have observed that non of them condemned the massacre.

You should have observed that they were mute because they felt that Ndigbo were another tribe, therefore they shouldn't be bothered whether Wike killed them or not.

I myself is not IPOB, but I do cry when they are killed by NA, because the same blood runs in our veins.


Lastly, if this River State tribe want to start identifying with us let them start campaigning for it.

It is stupidity for us South easterners to do the campaigning when we are not sure about them.

Thanks.
Someone who finally can reason well without emotions.

Igboid:


In life you have to work with what fate handed to you. For years after the end of WW2, Germany also struggled to accept the new boundaries of Germany,USSR and the allies drew.
USSR had claimed large parts of Eastern Poland and in return would have parts of Eastern Germany given to Poland as compensation.
It was a bitter pill for Germany to swallow, but you can't negotiate things to your terms from a position of weakness.
Eventually it dawned on Germany that to move on from the war and rebuild their unity, they had to give away those lands.

It was painful as native Germans in those parts had to leave the land or become polish.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oder%E2%80%93Neisse_line

Today Germany is the strongest country in Europe again and if for any reason they still want those lands, they would damn take it by force now, and nothing any bastard can do about it.

Nothing we can do about FG new boundaries of Igboland. We lost a war and that tends to happen when you lose a war.
We have to make peace with those boundaries. Work with it, grow our power (miliarily and economically) excruciatingly and quietly and then come for what is ours no matter how long it takes.
That's how rational people behave. You must always negotiate from a position of power and not of weakness.

And yes! Ikwerres and all those Igbophobic Igboids are nothing but liabilities to us currently.

BTW. Obiigbo is Ndoki and Asaland. Those are proud Igbos, they are not Igbophobic Igboids and I have nothing against them. They are bonafide and genuine Igbos, I have nothing but love for them.

Above analogy pits most Nigerians against ignorance. Igbo land was not a country but a part of Nigeria. It is unfortunate in your figment of imagination, Igbo land had to bear the brunt of the defunct eastern region of Nigeria which was essentially Biafra.

Idiko1:


Above analogy pits most Nigerians against ignorance. Igbo land was not a country but a part of Nigeria. It is unfortunate in your figment of imagination, Igbo land had to bear the brunt of the defunct eastern region of Nigeria which was essentially Biafra.

Whether you like it or not, the albatross of Biafran defeat has been left by all involved ethnicities in old East for Ndiigbo to bear the brunt alone.
We can accept and work with our reality or we can continue debating on semantics.

Of course, everyone knows that Igboland was never an independent country.
But the point remains valid that when you lose a war,you are likely to lose territories.
When you lose territories, you are not going to get them back by begging and being a weakling.
You get them back by letting go momentarily, so that you can once again regain your power and come back no matter how long it takes to claim your lost territories, whenever you can.

Thank you.

Christistruth00:

Ikwerre have kings

Ikwerre Kings like most Kings in SE are warrant chiefs.

Most ethnicities in old Eastern region didn't practice Monarchy.
They were democratic societies.

Fejoku:

I know what angle you are coming from.
Are you saying the writer of that article is wrong?

He is saying that you cannot force Ikwerre to be Igbo if they decided to deny their roots. They are doing themselves because finally, they have no roots since the Bini have already washed their hands off their case.

LOL! Going through this thread, has re-affirmed my belief that these clowns in Ipob remains an existential threat to the survival of Ndigbo. A very myopic bunch whose brain cells has been replaced with the sh;t of their tactless leader. A bunch whose actions as of late, via their criminal ESN have now laid siege to Igboland.

Someone here is comparing the position of an ethnic nationality (Igbo) trapped in a contraption, with fully independent countries that have their well developed military arsenal, ready to be deployed at a moment's notice should the need arises Chai! Aru eme! Maybe these clowns think since they have ESN/unknown gunmen, they can use those ragtag miscreants to recover lost territories . These are the types of tactless souls you find in Ipob, just like their brainless leader, because 'agwo ga mu ihe toro ogologo'.....a snake must give birth to something long, hence most ipobians must reason like their runaway coward leader. They want to railroad Ndigbo into an unprepared war with Nigeria to get Biafra. We the real Igbo will NEVER allow that to happen, I expect to be called an afonja, fulani or supporter of APC and all other unprintable names, but it faze me not.

Ikwere and other minorities may had been Igbo during the era of the now defunct eastern region, but they have reaffirmed that they are not Igbo since after the war from 1970 till date, so let them be and stop making mockery of the Igbo race. Ipobians, let me let you all into something you don't know: if the war you people and your runaway leader nnamdi kanu are clamouring via the activities of your ESN/UGM for comes into reality today, these Ikweres and other minorities of the old eastern region will massively enlist into the fulani-led Nigerian army to fight you. This is one thing I don't expect most Ipobians to comprehend.

Make no mistakes about it; the emotional ones are those of you who are so sensitive to the vagaries of the politics of the moment. I just pray that most of you "segregationists" don't ever get to any serious commanding decision making positions in igboland. It will be a recipe for disaster to watch igboland and her gorgeous boundaries redefined and recalibrated based on all these debilitating impulsive - kneejerk reasonings. You lot know absolutely nothing about how states are formed. ..

If we're to follow your templates, igboland might end up just for people of Orlu and few clans around there. Because there are so many clans in Igboland that do have their semi-independent mindsets. The Oguta area used to be like that before Arthur nzeribe and co drew them deep into Imo state politics. Onitsha do have their muted nauseating Benin tales. Infact, I do believe that Ziks One Nigeria politics had it's origin in his inability to let go of his cultural trappings across the country.., ditto Ojukwu who was born in Zungeru and trained somewhat in Lagos! Abakiliki nko? We heard Dave Umeahi continuously complain of marginalisations within the east even though he's the perenial chairman of the governors forum. The Igbos ceeded to Benue, Edo and Cross Rivers states are almost gone because those of you in the hinterlands have embraced this kindergarten politics of exclusion, which only favors federal Nigeria. Asaba, which is most probably the most thriving Igbo town today that used to be in this mould, is emphatically pro-igbo right now because instead of listening to the naysayers, most igbo traders from Onitsha and environs invested heavily in real estate across the length and breadth of Asaba (isn't it interesting that 'ordinary traders" presumed to be unlettered are the ones who did this magic)! You also had isolated voices in Asaba that managed to speak up, like the Asagba of Asaba.. If the Igbos in Onitsha turned their back at Asaba, that town will have been very pro - Benin like Agbor them..

Isreal still has some Arab population inside Isreal. Do you know how vulnerable geopolitically the zionists will be if for instance, in the quest to have a pure zionist state, they ceede out the Arab areas of Isreal to any other Arab country...., simply because Arab nationalism runs haywire there? Isreal is rather acquiring more Arab lands at the Golan as speak.. The Yorubas that encourage you to dump your igboids groups near the atlantic, have they dumped the Aworis and the Eguns that own Lagos? Do you know how vital Lagos has become in the economy of the Yorubas? Inspite of the murmurings from the Ijebus, Eguns, Aworis etc, how many times have you heard the mainstream Yoruba seriously discuss running away from those? Do you guys even know that if Biafra won that war and decided to be despicable, Ojukwu could easily have unleashed a "devide and rule" tactic that could pitch these western minorities against the majority Yoruba tribe, which is exactly what the federal government is doing in the south South? Do you expect a seriously honest Yoruba leadership afterwards to turn tail, accept such "political nonsense" and start fighting their neighbors who are so culturally similar to them?

I will repeat this: the idea that because of the painful pro Nigeria shenanigans of the eastern minorities post war, (abandoned property included, my father lost a house, my uncle lost two), the igbo hinterland should refuse them and turn them into some political enemies is by far the most juvenile rant that I have ever come across as it regards the former Eastern Nigeria politics! My stand is simple,: identify those Pro - igbo elements within these groups, try to empower them same way federal Nigeria did, try to help them to positions of power and eventually use them from the position they now occupy to change the narrative! If you can do that all the way to the Bakassi peninsula, I'm with you. We have "surrendered" too much! All these sterile talks about a seperate igboland for a "fuulani created five eastern states" is shortsighted, myopic and extremely dangerous to an emerging nation both in terms of national security and economic prosperity! We are talking nation building here and not boyfriend vs girlfriends squabbles...

ScamHunter:

He is saying that you cannot force Ikwerre to be Igbo if they decided to deny their roots. They are doing themselves because finally, they have no roots since the Bini have already washed their hands off their case.

That's not what he is saying. No one is forcing Ikwerre to accept there roots either. The writer of the article, Wechie included notable names of Ikwerre men who affirmed their Igbo ancestry all the days of their lives. He equally wrote what historically was the Ikwerre position in Igbo affairs until politics came in to muddle the waters. All these are not lies and will remain so till eternity because they're all on record. Those of us who hesitate to go hard on Ikwerre denials are just doing so because of this history we know and not for anything else like he(Igboid) thinks. The onus lies on the Ikwerre themselves to reconnect or cement their denials as everyone have a choice of association but history cannot be changed. If they insist on the denials, we are not foolish to tow the same part because it surely will be a mockery of anthropology. We will rather state clearly that though they might be an offshoot of us, we don't regard them as one of us any longer and will reject any association with them. I hope the generation of Ikwerres that will suffer the consequences won't hinge any blame on us. History is littered with awkward relationships that beats ones imagination unless one is intimated on what led to it. I see this Igbo/Ikwerre relationship going in that direction unless their elites backtrack from this path of foolishness they're about to go.
No one is begging for association with Ikwerres. Igboland have everything in abundance more than any Ikwerreland can ever get including crude oil. Ikwerre is just 4 lgas and not all of them are oil producing but Igboland have more than 7 oil producing lgas so you can see that it's not about mineral resources. It's just kinship fever at play. I hope they retrace their steps on time before most Igbos give up on them and start to reciprocate the bad vibes they're projecting. It's them that will suffer it most.

owobokiri:
Make no mistakes about it; the emotional ones are those of you who are so sensitive to the vagaries of the politics of the moment. I just pray that most of you "segregationists" don't ever get to any serious commanding decision making positions in igboland. It will be a recipe for disaster to watch igboland and her gorgeous boundaries redefined and recalibrated based on all these debilitating impulsive - kneejerk reasonings. You lot know absolutely nothing about how states are formed. ..

If we're to follow your templates, igboland might end up just for people of Orlu and few clans around there. Because there are so many clans in Igboland that do have their semi-independent mindsets. The Oguta area used to be like that before Arthur nzeribe and co drew them deep into Imo state politics. Onitsha do have their muted nauseating Benin tales. Infact, I do believe that Ziks One Nigeria politics had it's origin in his inability to let go of his cultural trappings across the country.., ditto Ojukwu who was born in Zungeru and trained somewhat in Lagos! Abakiliki nko? We heard Dave Umeahi continuously complain of marginalisations within the east even though he's the perenial chairman of the governors forum. The Igbos ceeded to Benue, Edo and Cross Rivers states are almost gone because those of you in the hinterlands have embraced this kindergarten politics of exclusion, which only favors federal Nigeria. Asaba, which is most probably the most thriving Igbo town today that used to be in this mould, is emphatically pro-igbo right now because instead of listening to the naysayers, most igbo traders from Onitsha and environs invested heavily in real estate across the length and breadth of Asaba (isn't it interesting that 'ordinary traders" presumed to be unlettered are the ones who did this magic)! You also had isolated voices in Asaba that managed to speak up, like the Asagba of Asaba.. If the Igbos in Onitsha turned their back at Asaba, that town will have been very pro - Benin like Agbor them..

Isreal still has some Arab population inside Isreal. Do you know how vulnerable geopolitically the zionists will be if for instance, in the quest to have a pure zionist state, they ceede out the Arab areas of Isreal to any other Arab country...., simply because Arab nationalism runs haywire there? Isreal is rather acquiring more Arab lands at the Golan as speak.. The Yorubas that encourage you to dump your igboids groups near the atlantic, have they dumped the Aworis and the Eguns that own Lagos? Do you know how vital Lagos has become in the economy of the Yorubas? Inspite of the murmurings from the Ijebus, Eguns, Aworis etc, how many times have you heard the mainstream Yoruba seriously discuss running away from those? Do you guys even know that if Biafra won that war and decided to be despicable, Ojukwu could easily have unleashed a "devide and rule" tactic that could pitch these western minorities against the majority Yoruba tribe, which is exactly what the federal government is doing in the south South? Do you expect a seriously honest Yoruba leadership afterwards to turn tail, accept such "political nonsense" and start fighting their neighbors who are so culturally similar to them?

I will repeat this: the idea that because of the painful pro Nigeria shenanigans of the eastern minorities post war, (abandoned property included, my father lost a house, my uncle lost two), the igbo hinterland should refuse them and turn them into some political enemies is by far the most juvenile rant that I have ever come across as it regards the former Eastern Nigeria politics! My stand is simple,: identify those Pro - igbo elements within these groups, try to empower them same way federal Nigeria did, try to help them to positions of power and eventually use them from the position they now occupy to change the narrative! If you can do that all the way to the Bakassi peninsula, I'm with you. We have "surrendered" too much! All these sterile talks about a seperate igboland for a "fuulani created five eastern states" is shortsighted, myopic and extremely dangerous to an emerging nation both in terms of national security and economic prosperity! We are talking nation building here and not boyfriend vs girlfriends squabbles...

You're perfectly correct. This is my position too. You can't let the narrative of your enemies to define your boundaries. You must stand strong to do the job of winning back your brothers especially when some of them are still stretching back their hands of association. This is why I asked him if the writers claims are true or false.

Idiko1:


The young man named LIVINGSTONE WECHIE almost uncovered the what is Ikwerre. All the b[b]olded names were the founding fathers of Ohanaeze Ndigbo[/b].

Most likely the reason Oha na Nzuzu is a useless organization.

How can the same people who formed the socio-political organization of another ethnicity (Ogbakor Ihoriho or whatever) come and join you to form another organization for a totally different ethnic group and you agreed?