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Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by FatherOfJesus: 2:25pm On May 12, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:ok. Which God is yours? |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by FatherOfJesus: 2:26pm On May 12, 2021 |
truespeak:I am suspecting that your God is Amadioha. |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by Dtruthspeaker: 2:32pm On May 12, 2021 |
FatherOfJesus: Thank you! At the proper time and the proper thread I would sit in your trial seat for cross examination. Or better still, raise a thread for that purpose, I"ll meet you there! But I have done that before with you and you could not proceed, do you remember? But again I say raise a thread and I'll show you how you can not make me or Christ Jesus, The Lord God Who I Represent, to Validly and Truth Fully, Fall! Only One Mighty Mighty God, there is None other! On this thread you are the one on Trial and it can never be me unless I put myself in there, which I will never do. |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by FatherOfJesus: 2:35pm On May 12, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:So Jesus Christ is your god? Why no Zeus or Krishna? |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by truespeak: 2:37pm On May 12, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: Oh! He verily is! |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by Dtruthspeaker: 2:40pm On May 12, 2021 |
FatherOfJesus: Still trying to put me up on trial? I have told you to Raise A thread, for this purpose, let it be very very Clear or are you afraid? |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by Dtruthspeaker: 2:44pm On May 12, 2021 |
truespeak: And he knows it which is why he is always trying to trick people into switching the burden of proof when the heat is on him and he can no longer Truly defend himself! |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by FatherOfJesus: 3:03pm On May 12, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:But pascal’s wager is part of the thread na. Why is your God not Krishna or Zeus? |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by Dtruthspeaker: 5:39pm On May 12, 2021 |
FatherOfJesus: Open a thread for me and I will answer all your reasonable questions the best and most Truth Full way I possibly can! Do not be afraid! |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by FatherOfJesus: 5:53pm On May 12, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:Afraid of who cannot defend his God? O funny sha If you want to talk about it then open a thread for that, as for this particular topic I will keep asking you why you don’t serve Zeus and the Flying Spaghetti Monster because that’s false dilemma in Pascal’s wager |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by Dtruthspeaker: 9:18am On May 13, 2021 |
FatherOfJesus: You are Afraid! You know you will Fall! Since you are the one challenging me, you have the duty to let the whole world know that you challenge me and the challenge must be open not hidden. Let the whole world see me fail as you wish or see you fall (which you are Afraid of), one of us must be put to shame and the other "glowry filled"! So open a thread and let us see betwixt us who shall receive everlasting shame and Ridicule! Stop hiding in the darkness and running away, be a man and challenge me openly! |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by FatherOfJesus: 9:24am On May 13, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:Why JESUS Christ and not Zeus or Flying Spaghetti Monster? |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by Dtruthspeaker: 9:31am On May 13, 2021 |
FatherOfJesus: it is indeed wise to fear The Lord! |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by Truthisobjectiv: 9:41am On May 13, 2021 |
FatherOfJesus: |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by FatherOfJesus: 9:42am On May 13, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:Tell how the Holy Spirit had sex with Mary to conceive your god. 1 Like |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by Truthisobjectiv: 9:44am On May 13, 2021 |
FatherOfJesus: Is seeing God the proof you'll accept that God exists? Just curious. Cos are things we accept even though we didn't see them. |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by FatherOfJesus: 9:53am On May 13, 2021 |
Truthisobjectiv:You don’t have to see God to accept him. You just have to test him with a method that will give repeated results. For example we can’t see dark energy yet but we can test it, we can measure it and we know it’s there. Now what method do you propose we used in testing god and that will give repeated results anytime? Which god are we testing? We have more than 4,000 of them. |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by keppler: 10:35am On May 13, 2021 |
truespeak:He is used to that. The moment you refute whatever he copies and has no way to respond (after all, what he posted initially was not his argument), then he picks up another which he learned, hence making a red herring. So much for someone who is posting fallacies |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by keppler: 10:39am On May 13, 2021 |
FatherOfJesus:Test for dark matter? hahahahaha If it can be tested, then Big bang cosmology has won one of its hurdles. But that's not the case bro. You can't just come online to dish out misinformation and think folks are ignorant. FYI dark matter is called dark because it is BELIEVED to be there when there is NO EVIDENCE for it. It is one of the statement of faith of materialists And you've successfully diverted from the main argument with your red herring of which god you are testing because you've been schooled by dtruthspeaker, even after talking about fallacies. |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by keppler: 10:46am On May 13, 2021 |
FatherOfJesus:You are really not worth debating as you are not interested in facts but misrepresentation that you read from your anti-God sites. Most of your assertions are straw man, making your points irrelevant. And from experience, you tend to resort to name calling whenever you are refuted since you haven't done your research to see if it's necessary to use those arguments you read, in case they have been refuted and outdated. You could easily save yourself the stress of feeling being cornered with rebuttals if you had done your own research to see if there are rebuttals for the arguments you want to use. To your statement, Holy Spirit did not have sex with Mary. It's a simple strawman that no serious skeptic of Christianity will ever use. If you want to go into battle of worldviews, take your time to study diligently, arguments from both camps and not just rush to post something you see that makes you happy without knowing if it even hold substance 1 Like |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by FatherOfJesus: 11:13am On May 13, 2021 |
[s] keppler:[/s] Ad hominem. No point made |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by FatherOfJesus: 11:18am On May 13, 2021 |
keppler:Half-baked educated sciolist. Dark matter can be felt through its effects on the universe, especially through the orbital velocities of stars and gravitational lensing of light around "invisible" objects but there’s no instrument to directly test it but there’s a method to observe it’s effect. Without dark matter and energy, galaxies no do not have enough energy to stay together. Thanks to scientists, sciolists like you would have immediately attributed it to god. This cannot be said about your imaginary friend in the skies who cannot be felt in any manner. He can only be felt deluded and ill-educated lairs in churches. There’s no method whatsoever to know that God exist, no one can provide any form repeatable method to that and there’s no amount of insults you pour here will provide evidence for your imaginary friend unless you give a testable method to detect him. |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by keppler: 11:32am On May 13, 2021 |
FatherOfJesus:So what do you use your copy and paste to prove now? You claimed that it can be tested and I called you out for it, and you copy and paste what agrees with me, yet you resorted to name calling just as predicted. Of course, dark matter and energy was postulated to solve some problems in the big bang cosmology. Just like the strawman atheist use that they call gods of the gap, we observe this and don't know what caused it, hence dark matter and energy are responsible for it. |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by keppler: 11:36am On May 13, 2021 |
FatherOfJesus:Very funny. I guess you don't know the meaning of ad hominem as that is what you've been using mostly when your are refuted. Again, I called you out that your statement is a strawman and advised you to not use such petty tactics, but you called that ad hominem? Very funny |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by FatherOfJesus: 11:53am On May 13, 2021 |
keppler:Maybe I have to speak in idiot language for you to understand basic science, this is not God of the gaps. You just don’t know science. It’s just ignorance on your own part. You can account for the extra energy required to put galaxies together, there’s a mathematical calculation to account for this extra energy which is about 85% of the energy we can acount for. Dark energy account for about 2.241×10−27 kg/m3 mass-energy density of the universe measured by the WMAP device to measure the cosmic microwave background. We know it’s there, the mathematical proof is there, we can feel its effects on galaxies , the effects have been calculated and seen in gravitational lensing but we cannot see the matter. Because we cannot see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, as long have we have other means of accurately measuring its present mathematically and otherwise. This cannot be said about your god, your god cannot be measured in any form, this is not equivalent to your invisible and immeasurable god. Just like Neutrinos, we knew it was there because there was an extra mass that couldn’t be accounted for in a decaying atom but we couldn’t be detected but it was there mathematically not until it was detected In 1955. An example is the gravitational wave, it has been felt and mathematically proven long before LIGO was invented to detect it. No one has observed any effect of your God, no maths to prove him and nothing whatsoever points to his existence. Even the best Christian scientists failed to provide any observable or mathematical evidence to factor him into he skim of things. He doesn’t exist until you prove it, until then you can’t force anyone to accept your lies. There’s no gap here, dark matter have been accurately measured and quantified by different scientific methods. It’s nobody’s fault if you lack access to information |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by FatherOfJesus: 11:56am On May 13, 2021 |
keppler:I don’t think you have the right to detect fallacies. You believe in an imaginary friend, that’s already fallacious And you are stuck in that mystery because you cannot prove your imaginary friend. The joke is on you who’s trying to find evidence after making a conclusion I’m not the person with almost a mental disorder of trying to prove he sees a friend living in the sky. |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by keppler: 12:15pm On May 13, 2021 |
FatherOfJesus:Very funny I am not getting distracted with your red herring. The argument you made is that you said dark matter can be tested which you now know that it can't be. Mathematical model is a very important tool but can be used to model many things which is accepted or rejected mostly on worldview. So it doesn't do much, which is why research has been on for decades to detect dark matter or energy. According to the scientific method, it remains a fudge factor. No matter the copy and paste you do will undo that Anyway, you can continue your ad hominem attacks |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by keppler: 12:17pm On May 13, 2021 |
FatherOfJesus:Suit yourself with continuous ad hominem My prediction was right all along
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Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by FatherOfJesus: 12:20pm On May 13, 2021 |
keppler:So with all I typed you still didn’t figure out that black matter has been tested by WMAP giving a figure of about 2.241×10−27 kg/m3 which is 27% of the universe’s mass-energy density. Should I translate it to Jesus language before you understand? Or I forgot, you still don’t understand what gravitational on lensing is. This is why people like you don’t do well in science |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by FatherOfJesus: 12:23pm On May 13, 2021 |
keppler:I will be glad to commit this ad hominem because it’s a total waste of time engaging you with science. You have shown colossal ignorance. How can you say black energy cannot be tested, like you live in a cave. You can’t simply engage a religious person with logic. He that believes in something that hasn’t been proven is already logically bereaved. It has been tested and the presence felt times without number. You don’t know because you spend a lot of your time in the church listening to lies. |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by keppler: 1:01pm On May 13, 2021 |
FatherOfJesus:The problem is you don't understand what you copied and because you see numbers, you feel that you've shown yourself to be the prof here You clearly don't understand what you wrote, else you wouldn't say that it has been tested by WMAP. It is in simple terms, the factor that makes an equation work. For example, I can't mathematically say that 23 = 23. But I can solve it by adding x to the left hand side which can be solved to be 15. What you have is an equation that should add up to 23 but you can only see the value 23, hence, you can say that x is there even if you cannot detect it and will calculate the value of x. THAT DOES NOT PROVE THAT x can be tested |
Re: 5 Fallacies Religious People Can’t Seem To Avoid In A Debate. by FatherOfJesus: 1:44pm On May 13, 2021 |
[s] keppler:[/s]junk logic with fallacy faulty equivalence. Now you have willingly come up to showcase the gross decline in science education in our country. Probably that’s how you guys reason in church. Your mathematics is grossly flawed as it doesn’t represent the case with dark energy and matter. The best illustration you would have given is when you have a mathematical expression x + 12= 20, we know the value the total energy in the universe is 20 in Thisbe case and the value for baryonic matter is 12, x is the value of dark matter and energy. We already know it’s there. It’s not even rocket science, if you estimate total mass of the observable universe, we can expect an in-ward contraction due gravity but We see the universe expanding at a constant acceleration instead of contracting, it means that there is a force responsible for that acceleration which is greater than total force of attraction between galaxies. Dark matter has been felt in the expansion rate of the universe, using the expansion rate you can determine its mass and properties. It’s not the nonsense evangelical and fallacious Mathematics you presented up there. Someone that sees the way you are using [sup] will think you know what you are doing. |
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