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Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:51pm On Jun 07
You said nothing about your take on the term 'BORN AGAIN' and come to think of it what's your own definition of sin?
Because from my own understanding i was a sinner but presently i'm no more practicing sin! undecided

Image123:

Oh this. Would you like to be born of water and spirit and free from sin?

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Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 1:57pm On Jun 07
Janosky:


At the bolded, Yes!
Jesus "the word" is A god to all creatures.
Jesus "the word" is A god /divine @ John 1:1.
Enilove, you haveare confirmed that the Sahidic Coptic Bible, Emphatic Diaglott & NWT have a very accurate rendition of John 1:1.
@ John 1:1, (compare John 14:1 & John 20:17), Jesus is NOT the God his Father.
@ Colossians 1:15," Jesus is the first born of every creature"
Enilove, is the first born of every child still a child?
Romans 11:35-36 & Ephesians 4:6 Yahweh the Father of all created Jesus Christ.
Jesus came through the Father before creation of the universe.
Job 38:1-7 is hard for Trinitarians to digest.
grin


Often in the scriptures, Yahweh gives command.
Any spirit being who obeys Yahweh's command is an angel.
Enilove, John 7:16, 3:16 John 12:49-50, Jesus Christ says he's an angel , obeying Yahweh's command to teach & redeem.

Point of correction:
@ Psalm 110:1, the Hebrew rendition reads:
Jehovah said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand"
Can you see that Jesus Christ (the lord of David @ Psalm 110:1, Ephesians 1:3) has his God & Father in heaven & earth?


Here comes the bombshell:
KJV Translators knew that Jesus Christ is archangel Michael since 1599.
The KJV Translators used the Geneva Bible to translate the KJV in 1611.
The same Textus Receptus manuscript.
Daniel 10:13 Geneva Bible ©1599.

Daniel 10:13
1599 Geneva Bible
"13 But the [a]prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but lo, [b]Michael one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I remained there by the Kings of Persia.

Footnotes

Daniel 10:13 Though God could by one Angel destroy all the world, yet to assure his children of his love, he sendeth forth double power, even Michael, that is, Christ Jesus the head of Angels."


Enilove, no dey DECEIVE yourself.
JWs are very correct: Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.

grin grin


More proof, Jesus Christ is archangel Michael
grin grin

Daniel 12:1
1599 Geneva Bible
12 1 Of the deliverance of the Church by Christ.

1 And at that [a]time shall Michael stand up, the great prince, which standeth for the children of thy people, and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there began to be a nation unto that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, everyone that shall be found written in the book.


Footnotes
Daniel 12:1 The Angel here noteth two things: first that the Church shall be in great affliction and trouble at Christ’s coming, and next that God will send his Angel to deliver it, whom here he calleth Michael, meaning Christ, which is published by the preaching of the Gospel."
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:01pm On Jun 07
What question again?
Haven't you heard enough from my brothers?
Did any of them disagree that Jesus is not our Master, Lord and King?
You were once a baby and no matter what you become in life you were once an embryo in the womb of a woman to whom you'll ever remain her baby!
Jesus is God's messenger (angel) no matter the position God GAVE him {1Corinthians 15:28} So he will still step down for his father and God after his assignment.
And what position will he continue to hold forever?
The chief of all Messengers of God both man and angels he will ever remain Archangel Michael! smiley



enilove:

This guy na was for you o . Instead of answering my question you are here babbling .

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Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Image123(m): 2:25pm On Jun 07
MaxInDHouse:
You said nothing about your take on the term 'BORN AGAIN' and come to think of it what's your own definition of sin?
Because from my own understanding i was a sinner but presently i'm no more practicing sin! undecided


Are there supposed to be different takes on being "born again"? Are you born of water and spirit and free from sin? For instance, do you lie, fornicate, have immoral thoughts, covet, curse etc?
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:32pm On Jun 07
Image123:


Are there supposed to be different takes on being "born again"? Are you born of water and spirit and free from sin? For instance, do you lie, fornicate, have immoral thoughts, covet, curse etc?

The underlined!
I often do this in times past but presently i'm no more engaging in any of these!

Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom.  And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God. 1Corinthians 6:9-11

So if that is what you mean by being BORN AGAIN then Maximus is a Born Again! smiley
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by enilove(m): 2:48pm On Jun 07
Janosky:


At the bolded, Yes!
Jesus "the word" is A god to all creatures.
Jesus "the word" is A god /divine @ John 1:1.
Enilove, you haveare confirmed that the Sahidic Coptic Bible, Emphatic Diaglott & NWT have a very accurate rendition of John 1:1.
@ John 1:1, (compare John 14:1 & John 20:17), Jesus is NOT the God his Father.
@ Colossians 1:15," Jesus is the first born of every creature"
Enilove, is the first born of every child still a child?
Romans 11:35-36 & Ephesians 4:6 Yahweh the Father of all created Jesus Christ.
Jesus came through the Father before creation of the universe.
Job 38:1-7 is hard for Trinitarians to digest.
grin


Often in the scriptures, Yahweh gives command.
Any spirit being who obeys Yahweh's command is an angel.
Enilove, John 7:16, 3:16 John 12:49-50, Jesus Christ says he's an angel , obeying Yahweh's command to teach & redeem.

Point of correction:
@ Psalm 110:1, the Hebrew rendition reads:
Jehovah said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand"
Can you see that Jesus Christ (the lord of David @ Psalm 110:1, Ephesians 1:3) has his God & Father in heaven & earth?


Here comes the bombshell:
KJV Translators knew that Jesus Christ is archangel Michael since 1599.
The KJV Translators used the Geneva Bible to translate the KJV in 1611.
The same Textus Receptus manuscript.
Daniel 10:13 Geneva Bible ©1599.

Daniel 10:13
1599 Geneva Bible
"13 But the [a]prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but lo, [b]Michael one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I remained there by the Kings of Persia.

Footnotes

Daniel 10:13 Though God could by one Angel destroy all the world, yet to assure his children of his love, he sendeth forth double power, even Michael, that is, Christ Jesus the head of Angels."


Enilove, no dey DECEIVE yourself.
JWs are very correct: Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.

grin grin


What is hard for trinitarians to digest , that God the Father is different from God the Son or what ?

A child when not yet matured is called a child .
Jesus is a Son of God .

3) You said any spirit who obeys the commands of God is an angel .
Are the Twenty Four Elders in heaven who are obeying and worshiping God in heaven Angels ?
You Jehovah witnesses love assumptions too much.

4) Where did Jesus call himself and Angel in John 7:16 ? Jesus said his Father sent him. Does a father has authority to send his son a message or not ?
All you are doing is to assume what is not and to discard what is written in the Bible.
Despite reading in Hebrew 1: 13 that Jesus is not an Angel , you are still assuming what is not .

Hebrews 1:13 KJV
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

5) How did Angel Michael become Jesus Christ ?
That is what your organization wants you to believe and that is heresy ;

2 Peter 2:1 KJV
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Biblical evidences that Jesus is not Angel Michael are :

1) Jude 1:9 KJV
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
ANGEL MICHAEL COULD NOT REBUKE SATAN HIMSELF BUT BY THE LORD.

Luke 4:8 KJV
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

BUT JESUS IN THE FLESH , IN HUMAN FORM , IN A LOWER STATE THAN THE ANGELS COULD REBUKE SATAN DIRECTLY AND NOT '' IN THE NAME OF THE LORD''.

That shows that Angel Michael rebuked Satan the Jesus name in Jude 1:9 above.

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Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Image123(m): 2:51pm On Jun 07
MaxInDHouse:


The underlined!
I often do this in times past but presently i'm no more engaging in any of these!

Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom.  And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God. 1Corinthians 6:9-11

So if that is what you mean by being BORN AGAIN then Maximus is a Born Again! smiley

i have no other questions, so far you are not lying that you are now FREE from sin AND that you are born again. i'll advise that you also do away with hypocrisy and pride too. i know and see you displaying those ones on a regular. i rest my case.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by haddeylium(m): 2:54pm On Jun 07
enilove:


If there are Hebrews and Greek words for angels , you think the translator of the Bible could not differentiate between those words ?

Now, I get it.
Can you please just research what I told you?
Use Biblehub and check for their strong meaning and their translation. Then, we could continue this conversation.

There's one other thing you're mixing up and I wouldn't want to deviate.
All the heavenly creatures are Spirit sons of God(Son, as a virtue of being created by God). (—Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7wink
Angel is not their names, they have their personal name too.
Angel is just a title which means Messenger!
Any spirit son of God submitting to God's service are called Malak(In Hebrew), Aggellos(In Greek ) and Angel (In English)

I'll ask again, is Jesus God's servant/messenger?

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Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:11pm On Jun 07
Image123:

i have no other questions, so far you are not lying that you are now FREE from sin AND that you are born again. i'll advise that you also do away with hypocrisy and pride too. i know and see you displaying those ones on a regular. i rest my case.
Hypocrisy and pride is what you see when millions across the globe can testify to the fact that anyone subjecting himself to a teaching that's not of his family background such a person surely is humble and sincere minded! smiley

Anyway you've rest your case as there's nothing to accuse me or any other JW for so stop the name calling (Majamaja) as you have just talked about HYPOCRISY, do unto others what you want them to do to you! Matthew 7:12

May you have PEACE! smiley
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by enilove(m): 3:21pm On Jun 07
MaxInDHouse:
What question again?
Haven't you heard enough from my brothers?
Did any of them disagree that Jesus is not our Master, Lord and King?
You were once a baby and no matter what you become in life you were once an embryo in the womb of a woman to whom you'll ever remain her baby!
Jesus is God's messenger (angel) no matter the position God GAVE him {1Corinthians 15:28} So he will still step down for his father and God after his assignment.
And what position will he continue to hold forever?
The chief of all Messengers of God both man and angels he will ever remain Archangel Michael! smiley


How can a grown up man remain a babe ? Is that not an abomination ?

As for me , I am no longer a baby to my mother I am her son . Even in Christ Jesus , I am no longer a baby but a son .
But you are the one calling yourself a babe .

When Adam was created , was he created as a baby or as an adult ?

Jesus was never created as a baby by God but as an Almighty God like his Father in heaven.

Since you are a baby Christian I will tell you the Position Jesus holds and will hold for ever; THE POSITION IS THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD HIS FATHER surrounded by Twenty Four Elders and the Spirits of God and Angels bowing to him and his Father with songs :


Revelation 3:21-22 KJV
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
[22] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Image123(m): 3:23pm On Jun 07
MaxInDHouse:

Hypocrisy and pride is what you see when millions across the globe can testify to the fact that anyone subjecting himself to a teaching that's not of his family background such a person surely is humble and sincere minded! smiley

Anyway you've rest your case as there's nothing to accuse me or any other JW for so stop the name calling (Majamaja) as you have just talked about HYPOCRISY, do unto others what you want them to do to you! Matthew 7:12

May you have PEACE! smiley

Lol, i never came here to accuse you. You asked for questions and i asked you. Do you want me to accuse you or ask you questions?
Also, define pride and hypocrisy properly, i read your explanation over there a couple of times and was more confused each time.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:35pm On Jun 07
Your eagerness to falsify what JWs believe is your problem! smiley

As long as your mom lives, you will always remain her BABY! That's why when any disaster strikes anywhere around the world the first thing that comes to the minds of women is "where is MY BABY?"
The way your mom took care of you from cradle will always be there in her mind, so when people see you as a PRESIDENT or GENERAL your mom still see her little baby that she nursed from infancy.
So stop deceiving yourself! smiley
And as for Jesus he was created the same way God created Adam that's why God's word equate both of them as God's sons! Luke 3:38; John 3:16 compare to 1Corinthians 15:45 smiley

enilove:

How can a grown up man remain a babe ? Is that not an abomination ?
As for me , I am no longer a baby to my mother I am her son . Even in Christ Jesus , I am no longer a baby but a son .
But you are the one calling yourself a babe .
When Adam was created , was he created as a baby or as an adult ?
Jesus was never created as a baby by God but as an Almighty God like his Father in heaven.
Since you are a baby Christian I will tell you the Position Jesus holds and will hold for ever; THE POSITION IS THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD HIS FATHER surrounded by Twenty Four Elders and the Spirits of God and Angels bowing to him and his Father with songs :
Revelation 3:21-22 KJV
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
[22] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:42pm On Jun 07
Image123:

Lol, i never came here to accuse you. You asked for questions and i asked you. Do you want me to accuse you or ask you questions?
Also, define pride and hypocrisy properly, i read your explanation over there a couple of times and was more confused each time.

Pride is exalting yourself, while hypocrisy is the habit of hiding what is obvious due to pride!

I always declare that there's nothing i know that i wasn't thought and i'm always ready to compare the source of my knowledge to anyone you can present.

So where is the pride or hypocrisy?

On the other hand you are the one hiding your source of knowledge as if God speaks with you directly like a special person so no traceable school of thought that we can examine.
OK present the members of your church so that we can examine how well they're performing in the society? You won't say anything about that but bent on calling JWs names.

So who is prideful and hypocritical between me and you? smiley
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Image123(m): 3:48pm On Jun 07
MaxInDHouse:


Pride is exalting yourself, while hypocrisy is the habit of hiding what is obvious due to pride!

I always declare that there's nothing i know that i wasn't thought and i'm always ready to compare the source of my knowledge to anyone you can present.

So where is the pride or hypocrisy?

On the other hand you are the one hiding your source of knowledge as if God speaks with you directly like a special person so no traceable school of thought that we can examine.
OK present the members of your church so that we can examine how well they're performing in the society? You won't say anything about that but bent on calling JWs names.

So who is prideful and hypocritical between me and you? smiley

You exhibit pride every single post in which you insinuate your denomination as the only true and best denomination. You exhibit hypocrisy by pretending to be respectful and loving when we that know you know that you are only setting a trap for people to buy Awake. i have tried to explain succintly to you.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:00pm On Jun 07
OK!
What do you call Jesus who said "I am the way, the truth and the life. NO ONE comes to the father except through me"
Do you think he was prideful in the midst of religious teachers old enough to be his grandpa? undecided

As for setting traps, JWs no more ask for money over magazines. We are asked to give you freely if we notice you're truly interested in reading the article.
Moreover their are magazines and books printed by other churches that's still FOR SALE till now. But you're pretending as if the churches printing such books aren't interested in SELLING it.
So answer my question now, who is HYPOCRITICAL between me and you? smiley

Image123:

You exhibit pride every single post in which you insinuate your denomination as the only true and best denomination. You exhibit hypocrisy by pretending to be respectful and loving when we that know you know that you are only setting a trap for people to buy Awake. i have tried to explain succintly to you.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by enilove(m): 4:06pm On Jun 07
MaxInDHouse:
Your eagerness to falsify what JWs believe is your problem! smiley

As long as your mom lives, you will always remain her BABY! That's why when any disaster strikes anywhere around the world the first thing that comes to the minds of women is "where is MY BABY?"
The way your mom took care of you from cradle will always be there in her mind, so when people see you as a PRESIDENT or GENERAL your mom still see her little baby that she nursed from infancy.
So stop deceiving yourself! smiley
And as for Jesus he was created the same way God created Adam that's why God's word equate both of them as God's sons! Luke 3:38; John 3:16 compare to 1Corinthians 15:45 smiley


Like I said before , you are the one that will remain a baby to your parents and not me.

How was Adam created ?
He was created from dust . Was Jesus created from dust like Adam ?
Adam was created in the image of God the Father and God the Son . Does that mean Adam was created the way the Father is with all the Glory of God ?
Can Adam give life to nonliving things like Jesus?
Among the creations of God , what did Adam create and which one amongst them was not created by Jesus Christ ?

The fact that Jesus Christ came in the form of man does not mean he is equal to man . And if not equal to man but equal to God , then he is God and not man nor Angel.

Philippians 2:6-11 KJV
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: [7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: [8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. [9] Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: [10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; [11] And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I am sure you don't know what you are saying.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by enilove(m): 4:15pm On Jun 07
haddeylium:


Now, I get it.
Can you please just research what I told you?
Use Biblehub and check for their strong meaning and their translation. Then, we could continue this conversation.

There's one other thing you're mixing up and I wouldn't want to deviate.
All the heavenly creatures are Spirit sons of God(Son, as a virtue of being created by God). (—Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7wink
Angel is not their names, they have their personal name too.
Angel is just a title which means Messenger!
Any spirit son of God submitting to God's service are called Malak(In Hebrew), Aggellos(In Greek ) and Angel (In English)

I'll ask again, is Jesus God's servant/messenger?

When you deliver a message for your father , what are you ?

Do you still remain his son or not ?

Are you his messenger at that particular time or not ?
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:48pm On Jun 07
Adam is your Creator through birth! smiley

It's God who gives the power to each of His creatures to do what they're doing, it's never by their own might! Jesus is powerless without His father's backing {Matthew 27:46} God gave Adam the power to procreate and the power was transferred to other humans through Adam!

So if Jesus does anything the power is not his own but that of the person who made him like a God just as He made Moses before Pharaoh! Exodus 7:1 smiley


enilove:


Like I said before , you are the one that will remain a baby to your parents and not me.

How was Adam created ?
He was created from dust . Was Jesus created from dust like Adam ?
Adam was created in the image of God the Father and God the Son . Does that mean Adam was created the way the Father is with all the Glory of God ?
Can Adam give life to nonliving things like Jesus?
Among the creations of God , what did Adam create and which one amongst them was not created by Jesus Christ ?

The fact that Jesus Christ came in the form of man does not mean he is equal to man . And if not equal to man but equal to God , then he is God and not man nor Angel.

Philippians 2:6-11 KJV
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: [7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: [8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. [9] Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: [10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; [11] And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I am sure you don't know what you are saying.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by enilove(m): 5:21pm On Jun 07
MaxInDHouse:
Adam is your Creator through birth! smiley

It's God who gives the power to each of His creatures to do what they're doing, it's never by their own might! Jesus is powerless without His father's backing {Matthew 27:46} God gave Adam the power to procreate and the power was transferred to other humans through Adam!

So if Jesus does anything the power is not his own but that of the person who made him like a God just as He made Moses before Pharaoh! Exodus 7:1 smiley


Adam is not my creator but your own creator.

If Adam is your creator what is God ?

A Creator is one who bring into being from nothing .
A Creator is a giver of breath of life.

When Abel died was Adam able to give him life to live again ? No

Humans can only procreate and not create.
The word ''procreate '' means reproduce.

Animals procreate just like we humans . Are animals the creators of their offsprings too ?

When Jesus died was he able to live again by his own power? Yes . That is a Creator . He created everything by his power.

John 10:17-18 KJV
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
[18] No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

This is the nonsense you have been taught by your organization which you want to spread , that we humans are our own creators ?
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:47pm On Jun 07
God raised Jesus from the dead {Act 2:32} because he fear God! Hebrews 5:7
So he is not the Almighty God as he can't do anything without the person who GAVE him power!
As regards Adam he is your God through whom you came into the world, Yes his son died and he couldn't resurrection his son because he's no more having God's blessings.
When Jesus wanted to resurrect Lazarus, he prayed to the person who empowered him this shows that the power was given to him because he remains obedient to God. If Adam had remained obedient to God he too would have become our father, counselor, doctor and teacher till today! smiley

enilove:

When Jesus died was he able to live again by his own power? Yes . That is a Creator . He created everything by his power.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by enilove(m): 8:11pm On Jun 07
MaxInDHouse:
God raised Jesus from the dead {Act 2:32} because he fear God! Hebrews 5:7
So he is not the Almighty God as he can't do anything without the person who GAVE him power!
As regards Adam he is your God through whom you came into the world, Yes his son died and he couldn't resurrection his son because he's no more having God's blessings.
When Jesus wanted to resurrect Lazarus, he prayed to the person who empowered him this shows that the power was given to him because he remains obedient to God. If Adam had remained obedient to God he too would have become our father, counselor, doctor and teacher till today! smiley


There no reason to continue with someone like you who could call a human being , like himself , his God and creator .
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:02pm On Jun 07
Thank God you're leaving! grin

I just don't want people with toxic mindset around me, if you're calling Jesus "Creator" simply because he participated during God's creative works {Proverbs 8:22-31} then Adam is also a Creator and God because he contributed in populating the earth with humans.
So my friend you're free to take the exit door no one invited you in the first place, i know you're not here to make any meaningful contribution that's why i'm giving you toxic response that will irritate you.
Go and find a way to make JWs accept you as a worshiper of our God, this criticism simply because we JWs told you you're not a worshiper of our God is getting you nowhere!
I know you ran here simply to criticize since all your effort to make me consider you as a worshiper of our God is in vain! grin

enilove:

There no reason to continue with someone like you who could call a human being , like himself , his God and creator.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Emusan(m): 9:09pm On Jun 07
MaxInDHouse:
Then if this is your understanding of being born again then i'm outstandingly born again because i am a beleiver! smiley


That's what the scripture says not me, so if you think you're up to that criteria then you're a born again.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:15pm On Jun 07
Thank you! smiley

Emusan:

That's what the scripture says not me, so if you think you're up to that criteria then you're a born again.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Emusan(m): 9:34pm On Jun 07
DappaD:
Those who receive the “new birth” from God have their inheritance in the spiritual heavens(1Peter 1:3,4)

Yes and the scripture confirmed that ALL BELIEVERS receive the new birth.

John 1:12-13 says "However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name." NWT

since they cannot take their fleshly bodies to heaven(1Corinthians 15:50), they will need to be transformed to become spirit beings(John 3:6)

How will they be TRANSFORMED? Are they not BORN AGAIN OR REBIRTH anymore?

Funny you, or you forgot EVERYONE will be RESURRECTED.

I strongly believe that those who have this inheritance will number a total of 144,000. Revelation 7:1-3, 14:1-5

Well, you have right to believe what you want but not what the scripture says because the window is opened to "To ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM"

So, it can't be limited to 144,000 because millions did receive him.

The question is, will those whom Jesus said would have their inheritance on earth, need to be born again? Matthew 5:5

Matt 5:5 says "Blessed are the meek and gentle—they will inherit the earth."

The people Jesus said will INHERIT the earth are THE MEEK, are you saying those who'll have heavenly inheritance are not MEEK & GENTLE?

If yes, of what use will it be since Revelation 21:3 says that it is mankind(flesh and blood) that will inherit the blessings listed in Revelation 21:4?

But the fact still remains that, "TO ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM" they are BORN AGAIN.

Question!
Who will born those who have their inheritance on earth?
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Emusan(m): 9:42pm On Jun 07
MaxInDHouse:
Thank you! smiley


You're welcome!
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Image123(m): 11:29pm On Jun 07
MaxInDHouse:
OK!
What do you call Jesus who said "I am the way, the truth and the life. NO ONE comes to the father except through me"
Do you think he was prideful in the midst of religious teachers old enough to be his grandpa? undecided

As for setting traps, JWs no more ask for money over magazines. We are asked to give you freely if we notice you're truly interested in reading the article.
Moreover their are magazines and books printed by other churches that's still FOR SALE till now. But you're pretending as if the churches printing such books aren't interested in SELLING it.
So answer my question now, who is HYPOCRITICAL between me and you? smiley


Stop clowning around, you are not Jesus Christ, are you? God is incomparable, He is the way, the truth and the life. You are not. Jesus never went around telling others that He is the only good one, or that only people following Him about are good.
Mar 9:38  And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. 
Mar 9:39  But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.


Your denomination has indoctrinated you otherwise. You are proud.
Now, will you accept money for your magazines or not?
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by haddeylium(m): 12:38am On Jun 08
enilove:


When you deliver a message for your father , what are you ?
His Messenger! because I'm delivering his message
That's exactly what Jesus his doing , As a Spirit Son of God in heaven, he was sent as God's messenger (Mal 3:1)
Can you relate to what he said here?

John 5:30
I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.
As a spirit son of God, he's malak(in Hebrew), Aggellos(in Greek), and Angel (English) which is just a title!

Do you still remain his son or not ?
Of course man!
Sonship is a status earned by humans by birth or adoption!
All creatures earned their sonship as a virtue of being created by the Almighty father!
Jesus is referred to as the 'begotten son of God'(Joh 3:16).
The past tense of beget is begotten.
it means father, sire, generate, create, give life to, bring into being, procreate, reproduce
You dig?

Are you his messenger at that particular time or not ?
I've answered this also!
Even though I don't see how your questions answered mine.
I'll employ you to face the Bible truths and be sincere with yourself. I agree, the truth is bitter. Rather than trying to bend the Bible to suit your belief, you should change yours to be in life with the Bible because your salvation depends on it (Joh 17:3)

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Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 1:08am On Jun 08
haddeylium:


Now, I get it.
Can you please just research what I told you?
Use Biblehub and check for their strong meaning and their translation. Then, we could continue this conversation.

There's one other thing you're mixing up and I wouldn't want to deviate.
All the heavenly creatures are Spirit sons of God(Son, as a virtue of being created by God). (—Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7wink
Angel is not their names, they have their personal name too.
Angel is just a title which means Messenger!
Any spirit son of God submitting to God's service are called Malak(In Hebrew), Aggellos(In Greek ) and Angel (In English)

I'll ask again, is Jesus God's servant/messenger?

We know there are angelic being who by their functions are designed to be messengers and likewise we know that there are messengers (humans) that arent angelic being but can carry out functions as/of messenger.

A messenger is operative to duties at hand whether angels or man
- An angelic being is a creature by purpose and by design
- A man is not angelic being even if he delivers messages.


For example
Michael is an angelic being by creature, design and function.
Jesus was never an angelic being, that is a name of human (Jesus). Humans arent angelic being. Likewise his preexistence, he was never an angel.

Trying to put this two in the same box will mean everyone used/sent of God from Adam to you, is an angel, better still they are all angelic being. I am sure you know this isnt true and the scriptures never present angelic being as humans.
Your explanation is devoid of this.


Hence, In usage of malak or anggellos, they must be put in context of what you read. Malak or anggellos are human language which must be interpreted within its context of explanation.




Another illustration
A man can send his houseboy on errand (messenger as per both current duty and by design (operations). The son of the house can also be sent on errand (messenger as per the current duty). Do we now call & treat both the son & the houseboy as houseboys since they bear the same current duties?

Jesus was never a malak by creation or by design both in preexistence and forever. Likewise there is no single scripture that presented Jesus as an angelic being.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 1:14am On Jun 08
haddeylium:


Now, I get it.
Can you please just research what I told you?
Use Biblehub and check for their strong meaning and their translation. Then, we could continue this conversation.

There's one other thing you're mixing up and I wouldn't want to deviate.
All the heavenly creatures are Spirit sons of God(Son, as a virtue of being created by God). (—Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7wink
Angel is not their names, they have their personal name too.
Angel is just a title which means Messenger!
Any spirit son of God submitting to God's service are called Malak(In Hebrew), Aggellos(In Greek ) and Angel (In English)

I'll ask again, is Jesus God's servant/messenger?

Jesus is the name of a man not a spirit and i know you know that the name Jesus wasnt given in preexistence even though the being has a preexistence.

He was called Jesus in humanity, a name given to him depicting his mission, a name given to him in his humanity, hence when you mention the name of Jesus and speaking about spirit, you will be mixing things up. Dont forget that fact that when you say "Jesus" you are referring to a man's name though with a pre-existence.

You cant use a man earthly existence to be explaining his preexistence. The moment you mentioned Jesus, you arent referring again to his preexistence but his humanity.

Now, i need you to clear this.

If Jesus is a name given to him in humanity,

1. What was his name in his pre-existence.
2. How was his preexistence explained in the Bible.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by haddeylium(m): 1:38am On Jun 08
hupernikao:


We know there are angelic being who by their functions are designed to be messengers and likewise we know that there are messengers (humans) that arent angelic being but can carry out functions as/of messenger.

A messenger is operative to duties at hand whether angels or man
- An angelic being is a creature by purpose and by design
- A man is not angelic being even if he delivers messages.

Many of these have been answered if you check our previous conversations on this same thread.
I advise the other guy to do some basic research, and I hope you'll do that too.
it will surprise you that humans are refered to as Angel too(Re 2:1, 8, 12, 18)
The Word (Angel) is just a title that means messenger .
Spirit Sons of God that are loyal to God's sovereign are delivering his messages are called his (Malak, Aggelos, Angel) Messengers
Even, Jesus have his own Messengers(Malak, Angel)too.


Jesus was never a malak by creation or by design both in preexistence and forever. Likewise there is no single scripture that presented Jesus as an angelic being.

Do you mean Jesus is not a messenger/servant? cheesy
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by haddeylium(m): 1:59am On Jun 08
hupernikao:

Jesus is the name of a man not a spirit and i know you know that the name Jesus wasnt given in preexistence even though the being has a preexistence.
He was called Jesus in humanity, a name given to him depicting his mission, a name given to him in his humanity, hence when you mention the name of Jesus and speaking about spirit, you will be mixing things up. Dont forget that fact that when you say "Jesus" you are referring to a man's name though with a pre-existence.
You cant use a man earthly existence to be explaining his preexistence. The moment you mentioned Jesus, you arent referring again to his preexistence but his humanity
I agree with you:
that Jesus has a prehuman existence, that He was sent as a Messenger from heaven (Mal 3:1)
He did deliver the message as the menssanger in his human existence (John 12:49,7:28)
And his posthuman existence, he still continue as servant Jesus to his God(Act 3:13) that still delivers his father's messages (Rev 1:1)

Now, i need you to clear this.
If Jesus is a name given to him in humanity,
1. What was his name in his pre-existence.
2. How was his preexistence explained in the Bible.
Wow, intelligent questions you have here no doubt. I like that you acknowledge that the name Jesus was given to him to him only when he was given birth to by Mary . Even 'Christ' was given to him when he was baptized and anointed .
Yes! He has a personal name too in heaven and we can discuss it when you're cleared with the above

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