Welcome, Guest: Join Nairaland / LOGIN! / Trending / Recent / New
Stats: 2,690,886 members, 6,339,713 topics. Date: Tuesday, 15 June 2021 at 08:58 AM

Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! - Religion (3) - Nairaland

Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General / Religion / Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! (875 Views)

I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity / Let's Study The Bible Daily And Finish It In One Year! / Examining Talk That Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Only Ones Preaching Out There (2) (3) (4)

(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (Reply) (Go Down)

Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:18am On Jun 08
Well the one and only issue Jesus had with the religious leaders of his time is telling them nobody can see God except through him {John 14:6} so if you're expecting his true followers to say otherwise then i'm afraid you don't know Jesus! John 15:19
We are not saying we are the only good people in the world, of course there are good people in all the religions on this planet but when it comes to the one and only group that knows how to practice pure worship then there's no other than JWs. That's what we are saying!

Remember that during the time God chose the nation of Israel there are good people in all other lands but the one and only nation that knows the only true God is Israel. So even if there are nice and kind people like TB Joshua trying to practice Christianity the best way they feel their form of worship is unacceptable to God because it can't produce the FRUIT.
You've been trying to falsify TB Joshua's ministry but if you can't explain how the FRUIT works then your continuous criticism against that man's church is HYPOCRITICAL! smiley


Image123:

Stop clowning around, you are not Jesus Christ, are you? God is incomparable, He is the way, the truth and the life. You are not. Jesus never went around telling others that He is the only good one, or that only people following Him about are good.
Mar 9:38  And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. 
Mar 9:39  But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.


Your denomination has indoctrinated you otherwise. You are proud.
Now, will you accept money for your magazines or not?
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 10:41am On Jun 08
haddeylium:

I agree with you:
that Jesus has a prehuman existence, that He was sent as a Messenger from heaven (Mal 3:1)
He did deliver the message as the messenger in his human existence (John 12:49,7:28)
And his posthuman existence, he still continue as servant Jesus to his God(Act 3:13) that still delivers his father's messages (Rev 1:1)

Firstly.

This isnt the view i hold about Christ preexistence. And the scriptures you presented never point to Christ as you explained.

Malachi 3:1
3 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.

The question you should seek to answer here is

1. who is the messenger
2. who is the "me"
3. who is the Lord

Note this
Also your interpretation is only assuming meaning to just one verse without considering the context and the whole writing. Check through and read through Malachi to identify the person of the "messenger". It was explicit later in the writing. That is how you can get the right interpretation. When you interpret scriptures in pockets you will get your interpretation wrong.

And there is no relationship between this and John 12:49,7:28

And yet you are still making lot of assumption and mixup between an angelic being and human messenger. This has caused a mixed up in your interpretation.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 10:53am On Jun 08
haddeylium:

Wow, intelligent questions you have here no doubt. I like that you acknowledge that the name Jesus was given to him to him only when he was given birth to by Mary . Even 'Christ' was given to him when he was baptized and anointed .
Yes! He has a personal name too in heaven and we can discuss it when you're cleared with the above

Go ahead with the discussion
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:00am On Jun 08
hupernikao:

The question you should seek to anser here is
1. who is the messenger
2. who is the "me"
3. who is the Lord

Both John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth are messengers of Jehovah.
When Jehovah says "i am coming or i am going" it doesn't mean it's the Almighty God Himself that's walking in the earth. NO!
It simply means Jehovah will empower that messenger (angel) with his spirit so that the messenger will act as JEHOVAH'S representative!

For example when Jehovah said "i'm going down to Egypt" {Exodus 3:2-5} He never left His throne in Heaven rather it was an angel that represented Him throughout! Exodus 13:21 compare to14:19

So when God said He will send a messenger ahead of His arrival it simply means someone will have to prepare the minds of the Israelites ahead to welcome the Messiah.

Remember what Moses said about Jesus "God will raise another PROPHET like me in your midst" Deuteronomy 18:15 compare to Act 3:22

That's why Jesus himself quoted Isaiah's prophesy that says "Jehovah's Spirit is upon me" Luke 4:18 compare to Isaiah 61:1-2

So it's not Jehovah Himself that is coming, NO!
But a messenger upon whom Jehovah will give His spirit to act as His representative! smiley
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 11:06am On Jun 08
haddeylium:

Many of these have been answered if you check our previous conversations on this same thread.
I advise the other guy to do some basic research, and I hope you'll do that too.
it will surprise you that humans are refered to as Angel too(Re 2:1, 8, 12, 18)
The Word (Angel) is just a title that means messenger .
Spirit Sons of God that are loyal to God's sovereign are delivering his messages are called his (Malak, Aggelos, Angel) Messengers
Even, Jesus have his own Messengers(Malak, Angel)too.

Do you mean Jesus is not a messenger/servant? cheesy

Not sure you read my post well.

This is the summary.

Were human called messenger (angel) in the bible? Yes, why? Because of certain responsibility.

Are human angelic being? I am sure you know they arent.

Is Jesus human? Yes,
Why was he referred to as messenger? He is human carrying God's message. He wasnt a messenger relating to angelic being. Same as all Apostles and all believers,.

Does that makes him angelic being? No.



So, usage of angel (angelos) must be interpreted in context not given omnibus meaning as you do. Like i told you, it is human language and must be put in context which you arent doing.

No one called Paul, Peter angelic being, yet they are servants of God. Why is Jesus then called angelic being because he is referred to God's servants? God servants (human being) are humans used of God. That doesnt make then angelic being.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 11:42am On Jun 08
MaxInDHouse:


Both John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth are messengers of Jehovah.
When Jehovah says "i am coming or i am going" it doesn't mean it's the Almighty God Himself that's walking in the earth. NO!
It simply means Jehovah will empower that messenger (angel) with his spirit so that the messenger will act as JEHOVAH'S representative!

For example when Jehovah said "i'm going down to Egypt" {Exodus 3:2-5} He never left His throne in Heaven rather it was an angel that represented Him throughout! Exodus 13:21 compare to14:19

So when God said He will send a messenger ahead of His arrival it simply means someone will have to prepare the minds of the Israelites ahead to welcome the Messiah.

Remember what Moses said about Jesus "God will raise another PROPHET like me in your midst" Deuteronomy 18:15 compare to Act 3:22

That's why Jesus himself quoted Isaiah's prophesy that says "Jehovah's Spirit is upon me" Luke 4:18 compare to Isaiah 61:1-2

So it's not Jehovah Himself that is coming, NO!
But a messenger upon whom Jehovah will give His spirit to act as His representative! smiley


You have left the verse in contention here. Also you havent considered the body of that book (Malachi).
The OP i quoted said (Mal 3:1) that the "messenger" was referring to Jesus. This is the focus.

So, in reading the writings of Malachi as a book will clear this for us. Mostly Malachi 3 and 4



I will paraphrase it for you here.

Malachi 3:1
3 “I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the Lord Almighty.

Malachi 4:1
4 “Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the Lord Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them.

vs 5
5 “See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes. 6 He will turn the hearts of the parents to their children, and the hearts of the children to their parents; or else I will come and strike the land with total destruction.”

Mal 4:5 already made it clear to you what he was talking about in Mal 3:1.


When you read the whole of Malachi and then read Matthew you will know that Mal wasnt referring to Jesus as the messenger but John. That is obvious. So a proper reading is important not a pocket interpretation of the scriptures which wont give a true picture.


So, haddeylium, referring to the messenger in Malachi as Jesus is a misinterpretation.
Mal 4:5 answers Mal 3:1 with a side study of Matt 11:2, John 14:6



Jesus already cleared this also speaking about John the Baptist, Jesus quoted Malachi verbatim.

Matt 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Mal 3:1 “I will [b]send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me.[/b]


That is the parallel.

Also
Matt 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

Compare to Mal 4:5
5 “See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you

Jesus quoted and explained Malachi verbatim, so i dont think anyone should have issue with this.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by haddeylium(m): 11:51am On Jun 08
hupernikao:


Firstly.
This isnt the view i hold about Christ preexistence. And the scriptures you presented never point to Christ as you explained.
Malachi 3:1
3 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.
The question you should seek to answer here is
1. who is the messenger
2. who is the "me"
3. who is the Lord
Note this
Also your interpretation is only assuming meaning to just one verse without considering the context and the whole writing. Check through and read through Malachi to identify the person of the "messenger". It was explicit later in the writing. That is how you can get the right interpretation. When you interpret scriptures in pockets you will get your interpretation wrong.
And there is no relationship between this and John 12:49,7:28
And yet you are still making lot of assumption and mixup between an angelic being and human messenger. This has caused a mixed up in your interpretation.

Now, that you mentioned it
let's analyse Malachi 3:1
Three distinct People where identified here
Two Messengers and the one who sent them !
John the Baptist appeared as the messenger who prepared the way before Jehovah by getting the Jews ready for the coming of the God's representative 'messenger of the covenant(Mat 21: 12,13; Mk 11: 15-17)

compare
Isaiah 42:1
Look! My servant(Jesus, in his prehuman existence), whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by haddeylium(m): 12:12pm On Jun 08
hupernikao:


Not sure you read my post well.
This is the summary.
Were human called messenger (angel) in the bible? Yes, why? Because of certain responsibility.
Are human angelic being? I am sure you know they arent.
Is Jesus human? Yes,
Why was he referred to as messenger? He is human carrying God's message. He wasnt a messenger relating to angelic being. Same as all Apostles and all believers,.

Your question is just one!
Nowhere in the Bible is an individual referred to as 'Angellic being' . This is just an English abstract word usage that might confused you .

What we have are 'the spirit sons of God in heaven (Job 38:7) with their own individual personal names. They're called 'Messenger '(Angel, Malak) because they're submitting to God's superior authority. The word Angel is just a title, they're spirit sons of God's .
That's why people do referred to some 'spirit sons of God' that backslided as 'Fallen Angel/Messenger".
Which means they're not delivering his message any longer.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:42pm On Jun 08
The person speaking through Malachi's prophecy is JEHOVAH but the person who came as His representative is Jesus!

It's as simple as that! smiley


hupernikao:



You have left the verse in contention here. Also you havent considered the body of that book (Malachi).
The OP i quoted said (Mal 3:1) that the "messenger" was referring to Jesus. This is the focus.

So, in reading the writings of Malachi as a book will clear this for us. Mostly Malachi 3 and 4



I will paraphrase it for you here.

Malachi 3:1
3 “I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the Lord Almighty.

Malachi 4:1
4 “Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the Lord Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them.

vs 5
5 “See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes. 6 He will turn the hearts of the parents to their children, and the hearts of the children to their parents; or else I will come and strike the land with total destruction.”

Mal 4:5 already made it clear to you what he was talking about in Mal 3:1.


When you read the whole of Malachi and then read Matthew you will know that Mal wasnt referring to Jesus as the messenger but John. That is obvious. So a proper reading is important not a pocket interpretation of the scriptures which wont give a true picture.


So, haddeylium, referring to the messenger in Malachi as Jesus is a misinterpretation.
Mal 4:5 answers Mal 3:1 with a side study of Matt 11:2, John 14:6



Jesus already cleared this also speaking about John the Baptist, Jesus quoted Malachi verbatim.

Matt 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Mal 3:1 “I will [b]send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me.[/b]


That is the parallel.

Also
Matt 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

Compare to Mal 4:5
5 “See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you

Jesus quoted and explained Malachi verbatim, so i dont think anyone should have issue with this.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 2:13pm On Jun 08
MaxInDHouse:
The person speaking through Malachi's prophecy is JEHOVAH but the person who came as His representative is Jesus!

It's as simple as that! smiley



Who was referred to by the word messenger here.

“I will send my[b] messenger[/b], who will prepare the way before me.

John or Jesus.

This is the focus of discussion.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 2:15pm On Jun 08
haddeylium:


Your question is just one!
Nowhere in the Bible is an individual referred to as 'Angellic being' . This is just an English abstract word usage that might confused you .

What we have are 'the spirit sons of God in heaven (Job 38:7) with their own individual personal names. They're called 'Messenger '(Angel, Malak) because they're submitting to God's superior authority. The word Angel is just a title, they're spirit sons of God's .
That's why people do referred to some 'spirit sons of God' that backslided as 'Fallen Angel/Messenger".
Which means they're not delivering his message any longer.


You are truly contradicting yourself. This wasnt your position earlier.

But i hope its clearer now, that being called an angel doesnt make you angel by creation. This is a distinction you never made and that can be manipulated to start calling Jesus angel by creation.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 2:50pm On Jun 08
haddeylium:


Now, that you mentioned it
let's analyse Malachi 3:1
Three distinct People where identified here
Two Messengers and the one who sent them !
John the Baptist appeared as the messenger who prepared the way before Jehovah by getting the Jews ready for the coming of the God's representative 'messenger of the covenant(Mat 21: 12,13; Mk 11: 15-17)

compare
Isaiah 42:1
Look! My servant(Jesus, in his prehuman existence), whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.


You are mixing a lot up when you are explaining. This is the reason i like separating issues.
You moved from Mal to Isa without properly explaining Malachi.

Explanation of the Scriptures cannot be paraphrased. You must explain where your interpretation is coming from.



In Malachi.
3 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.

1. The first messenger I will send my messenger

It was clear that he was speaking about John the Baptist. Notice, your acceptance of John (human, man) as a messenger, not as preexistence. You didnt argue this. You never said John existed as one angel somewhere before. Even though, here John was yet to be born, yet you know he was speaking about a man not a preexisting servant. A man to be born as servant.


2. The Lord, messenger of the covenant

Now a second personality. The Lord. Is Malachi calling his servant in preexistence or in humanity?

Notice his description and activities.
- whom ye seek (Israel isnt seeking an angel but a deliverer, a man as Moses, human.
- shall suddenly come to his temple (temple, is earthly, this refers to his earthly mission)


The personality is described in men's activities not in preexistence. This is referring to Christ work on earth. It is a prophecy of his humanity and not preexistence. You missed it when referring to Christ preexistence as servant here. Malachi never did.
This servanthood is his function on earth as man (messenger of covenant).

Please, look at it well and reread.
That is the proper context of Malachi.

Likewise Isa 42 you quoted was referring to a man. Please read full context.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 2:51pm On Jun 08
haddeylium:


compare
Isaiah 42:1
Look! My servant(Jesus, in his prehuman existence), whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.

Likewise Isa 42 you quoted was referring to a man. Please read full context.

Isa 42:1
Behold [b]my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.[/b]

My servant here, is a man's duty to God.

he already told you in verse 2-4

Please read properly.
2 He shall not cry, nor[b] lift up[/b], nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.


Cry, lift up, discouraged. These are attribute of man. He was describing a man, not a spirit being, not a preexistence.

Bring judgement to Gentiles, judgment in the earth....


This is man. A Lord and ruler. not a spirit being.

Isaiah was prophesying and speaking about the humanity of Christ. hence the servanthood. he never referred to Jesus as servant in his preexistence.

Let context always deliver you. Read the whole chapter, you will understand better, same for Malachi, read Malachi 2 and 3.

1 Like

Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Image123(m): 2:58pm On Jun 08
MaxInDHouse:
Well the one and only issue Jesus had with the religious leaders of his time is telling them nobody can see God except through him {John 14:6} so if you're expecting his true followers to say otherwise then i'm afraid you don't know Jesus! John 15:19
We are not saying we are the only good people in the world, of course there are good people in all the religions on this planet but when it comes to the one and only group that knows how to practice pure worship then there's no other than JWs. That's what we are saying!

Remember that during the time God chose the nation of Israel there are good people in all other lands but the one and only nation that knows the only true God is Israel. So even if there are nice and kind people like TB Joshua trying to practice Christianity the best way they feel their form of worship is unacceptable to God because it can't produce the FRUIT.
You've been trying to falsify TB Joshua's ministry but if you can't explain how the FRUIT works then your continuous criticism against that man's church is HYPOCRITICAL! smiley



Joh 14:5  Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 
Joh 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Jesus was evidently talking to His disciples, or more directly Thomas in this instance. Yet you clearly lie that He was saying this to religious leaders. Well, you'd rather believe your sad hall publications than common sense or the clear Word of God. When you repent from hypocrisy and become noble like the people of Berea, you would know indeed whether your lies are so.
The religious leaders had issueS with Jesus, not just an issue. They had issues with His healings, with His doctrine, with His actions on the Sabbath, with with calling Himself the Son of God, with Him forgiving sins, virtually with everything. Try to read the Bible and dump these junk that you sell. You are starting to embarrass literacy.

You forgot to answer the very simple question i asked about if you will collect monwy for Awake. We all know the chorus answer, which is YES. But your hypocrisy and pride will not allow you. Lol @ we are not the only good people, we are the only good group. What shameful dance are you doing? Is that not the exact thing i accused you of? Here you come mentioning your secret mentor TB that i did not even mention or think of. i asked you earlier in another thread but you did not answer. Will you also be his disciple? Remember, you are looking for power. Your organisation told you to wait till paradise or something, but you don't want all that. You are here online disgracing yourself up and down seeking for power from astral practice, now to TB your secret crush. Accept my condolences ehnn. Did he sponsor your schooling?
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:55pm On Jun 08
When will you learn nah?

Did JWs GB come to speak face to face with your pastors before you realized that they are better than your pastors?

Well it's just what they taught us that made us understand that they are the only source of guidance that Jesus is using today! John 6:68 smiley

As for TB Joshua, you've got nothing tangible to say against him, as long as you subscribe to miracles and healings TB Joshua's ministry shouldn't be your problem, because he is doing exactly what you expected of your men of God! smiley

Image123:

Joh 14:5  Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 
Joh 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Jesus was evidently talking to His disciples, or more directly Thomas in this instance. Yet you clearly lie that He was saying this to religious leaders. Well, you'd rather believe your sad hall publications than common sense or the clear Word of God. When you repent from hypocrisy and become noble like the people of Berea, you would know indeed whether your lies are so.
The religious leaders had issueS with Jesus, not just an issue. They had issues with His healings, with His doctrine, with His actions on the Sabbath, with with calling Himself the Son of God, with Him forgiving sins, virtually with everything. Try to read the Bible and dump these junk that you sell. You are starting to embarrass literacy.

You forgot to answer the very simple question i asked about if you will collect monwy for Awake. We all know the chorus answer, which is YES. But your hypocrisy and pride will not allow you. Lol @ we are not the only good people, we are the only good group. What shameful dance are you doing? Is that not the exact thing i accused you of? Here you come mentioning your secret mentor TB that i did not even mention or think of. i asked you earlier in another thread but you did not answer. Will you also be his disciple? Remember, you are looking for power. Your organisation told you to wait till paradise or something, but you don't want all that. You are here online disgracing yourself up and down seeking for power from astral practice, now to TB your secret crush. Accept my condolences ehnn. Did he sponsor your schooling?

1 Like

Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 11:03pm On Jun 08
enilove:


5) How did Angel Michael become Jesus Christ ?
That is what your organization wants you to believe and that is heresy ;

2 Peter 2:1 KJV
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Biblical evidences that Jesus is not Angel Michael are :

1) Jude 1:9 KJV
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
ANGEL MICHAEL COULD NOT REBUKE SATAN HIMSELF BUT BY THE LORD.

Luke 4:8 KJV
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

BUT JESUS IN THE FLESH , IN HUMAN FORM , IN A LOWER STATE THAN THE ANGELS COULD REBUKE SATAN DIRECTLY AND NOT '' IN THE NAME OF THE LORD''.

That shows that Angel Michael rebuked Satan the Jesus name in Jude 1:9 above.


No,not at all
Jude 1:9
But Michael the Archangel, who, when he was speaking with The Devil about the body of Moses, did not speak to bring a slanderous judgment against him, but he said, “THE LORD JEHOVAH will rebuke you.”

Jude 1:9 "Jehovah rebuke you" is a direct quote of Zechariah 3:2.
The name Jehovah was removed & replaced with "Lord" @ Jude 1:9 & Zechariah 3:2.
You were DECEIVED to assume its Jesus.



Archangel Michael,Jesus Christ @ Jude 1:9, followed the biblical example at Zephaniah 3:2 & 2 Peter 2:11.

Moses died many many centuries before Jesus earthly ministry, the dispute was strictly about Moses body, not dispute about Supremacy or Authority.

Your Trinity mentors the Geneva Bible, knew since 1599 that Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.
Other evidences abound (Screenshots).
Enilove, that is the bitter truth.
Let it sink in, dearie.

grin grin

Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 12:05am On Jun 09
enilove:


Like I said before , you are the one that will remain a baby to your parents and not me.

How was Adam created ?
He was created from dust . Was Jesus created from dust like Adam ?
Adam was created in the image of God the Father and God the Son . Does that mean Adam was created the way the Father is with all the Glory of God ?
Can Adam give life to nonliving things like Jesus?
Among the creations of God , what did Adam create and which one amongst them was not created by Jesus Christ ?

The fact that Jesus Christ came in the form of man does not mean he is equal to man . And if not equal to man but equal to God , then he is God and not man nor Angel.

Philippians 2:6-11 KJV
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: [7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: [8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. [9] Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: [10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; [11] And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I am sure you don't know what you are saying.
Jesus was created before the world & before Adam.
John 1:1, 1599 Geneva Bible
"That Word begotten before all worlds"
"The first born of every creature" ,Col 1:15.
(In other words, God beget the Word before creation of heaven and earth).

[b]Satan is a morning star
Jesus is a morning star.
Job 38:1-7 all the morning Stars applauded Yahweh's Creative works.
Do the maths, use your brain.
grin grin grin grin

Trinitarians vehemently oppose & reject the biblical proofs.[/b]



@ Revelation 3:5, 2:27, 3:12,21,in heaven did Jesus tell you he is equal to God?

The Trinitarian invented expression @ Phillipians 2:6,
"Thought it not robbery to be equal to God"
Jesus himself rejects & debunks it
@ Revelation 3:5, 2:27, 3:12,21
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 12:54am On Jun 09
enilove:


What is hard for trinitarians to digest , that God the Father is different from God the Son or what ?

A child when not yet matured is called a child .
Jesus is a Son of God .

3) You said any spirit who obeys the commands of God is an angel .
Are the Twenty Four Elders in heaven who are obeying and worshiping God in heaven Angels ?
You Jehovah witnesses love assumptions too much.

4) Where did Jesus call himself and Angel in John 7:16 ? Jesus said his Father sent him. Does a father has authority to send his son a message or not ?
All you are doing is to assume what is not and to discard what is written in the Bible.
Despite reading in Hebrew 1: 13 that Jesus is not an Angel , you are still assuming what is not .

Hebrews 1:13 KJV
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Point 1.
Job 38:1-7, all the morning Stars & sons of God applauded Yahweh's Creative works.
Is Jesus Christ a morning star? Is Jesus a son of God?
Is Satan a morning star? Is Satan a son of God?
Enilove, Do the needful, put your God given brain to use.
grin grin

Point 2
Revelation 1:5-6, in your Bible says Jesus is what in heaven?
@ Revelation 3:5, 2:27, 3:12,21, in heaven Jesus says he is what?
In the spiritual realm, Jesus Christ says he is what?
Ephesians 4:6, in heaven what is the relationship between the Father of all & Jesus Christ?
grin
Child or son, he no get his Father?



3.
JWs did not make any assumptions. You are making up claims without proof.
24 Elders were faithful servants of Jehovah resurrected to heavenly life to co-rule with Jesus Christ.
Which of the 24 Elders did Jehovah send to apostle John or to the earth to perform an assignment?

4.

Point 4.

Job 2:1 , was Jesus Christ present at that meeting?
Who are the sons of God in Job 2:1?
Is Jesus Christ a son of God?

Hebrews 1:4-13 references Jesus anointing above his peers/companions- (Job 2:1) other sons of God?

All those spirit beings God sent from heaven to the earth,who are they?
Ministering spirits- angels
@ John 7:16 & Matthew 20:28, John 3:16, what is Jesus Christ doing on earth ?
Shey you grab the point ?

grin grin
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by haddeylium(m): 8:57am On Jun 09
hupernikao:



You are truly contradicting yourself. This wasnt your position earlier.

But i hope its clearer now, that being called an angel doesnt make you angel by creation. This is a distinction you never made and that can be manipulated to start calling Jesus angel by creation.

Lmao wink
That's why I employed you to start reading from the onset wink
You just at the middle and missed the head of the discussion I was having with the other guys.
The other guy have understand and stop replying. I would advise you do the same too. Start the thread from one and my meditate on it.

According to God's Word, I've always maintained that the word 'Angel'(messenger) is just a title just as King and God is. You didn't dispute this, do you?
Anyone with the qualified as God's Messenger (Malak, Angel) must be A spirit son of God that can be send on an errand as a Messenger
I don't need to spoon-feed you on this. This is just as basic.

Found anything like angelic being in the Bible yet?
Don't let it confused you wink

I don't like deviating, a point at a time it will be. I'm a very lazy reader, keep your comment short and concise please
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 9:26am On Jun 09
haddeylium:


Lmao wink
That's why I employed you to start reading from the onset wink
You just at the middle and missed the head of the discussion I was having with the other guys.
The other guy have understand and stop replying. I would advise you do the same too. Start the thread from one and my meditate on it.

According to God's Word, I've always maintained that the word 'Angel'(messenger) is just a title just as King and God is. You didn't dispute this, do you?
Anyone with the qualified as God's Messenger (Malak, Angel) must be A spirit son of God that can be send on an errand as a Messenger
I don't need to spoon-feed you on this. This is just as basic.

Found anything like angelic being in the Bible yet?
Don't let it confused you wink

I don't like deviating, a point at a time it will be. I'm a very lazy reader, keep your comment short and concise please


Bro, you arent addressing issues you raised. You are only contradicting yourself the more.

There is a quote of yours i addressed and that should be the focus. I have also tried as much to keep you on focus as you seems to not find a stand in what you are saying and mixing things up.

This is the focus of our discussion.
The person you responded was asking if Jesus was an angel.

Obviously your response showed that you know he is referring to angelic being, yet you subtly start talking about messenger, malak, angelo usage. The fact that you know you hold a view that Jesus was an angelic being yet perambulating on discussing human messenger as angels is not honest. This is what i have cleared you on but you are still roaming texts around the issue.

To recap



Firstly, the issue of everyone used of God as angels (angels of God, angelic being) is false. you arent making a distinction in this. Its either you are deliberately ignoring it or you arent honest with it. I have asked you if you are angelic being. Or arent you use of God. Kindly stop threading this line, you have no point here.

Secondly, i address your wrong interpretation of Mal 3, Isa 42,
You arent reading the scriptures as supposed. This is what i expect you to do and not be arguing on what is clear and written. Expect you dont have an open mind and only want to argue. The scriptures are clear and that is what you should use to discuss.

Lastly, trying to fuse Jesus as angelic being into your subtle narrative is not only unbiblical, it is dishonest. No scripture and i say again, no single scriptures in the whole of the Bible referred to Jesus as angelic being. This is the focus of the discussion. Trying to subtling refer to angels as messenger and then call Jesus angel is subtle denial of the scriptures.

Please give your time to read Mal 3 and Isa 42 those are your base text for the misinterpretation.
And read them properly.

I boldly tell you that Jesus was not an angel, this is the dispute and your subtle misinterpretation calling him one.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 9:40am On Jun 09
Janosky:

Point 1.
Job 38:1-7, all the morning Stars & sons of God applauded Yahweh's Creative works.
Is Jesus Christ a morning star? Is Jesus a son of God?
Is Satan a morning star? Is Satan a son of God?
Enilove, Do the needful, put your God given brain to use.
grin grin

Point 2
Revelation 1:5-6, in your Bible says Jesus is what in heaven?
@ Revelation 3:5, 2:27, 3:12,21, in heaven Jesus says he is what?
In the spiritual realm, Jesus Christ says he is what?
Ephesians 4:6, in heaven what is the relationship between the Father of all & Jesus Christ?
grin
Child or son, he no get his Father?



3.
JWs did not make any assumptions. You are making up claims without proof.
24 Elders were faithful servants of Jehovah resurrected to heavenly life to co-rule with Jesus Christ.
Which of the 24 Elders did Jehovah send to apostle John or to the earth to perform an assignment?

4.

Point 4.

Job 2:1 , was Jesus Christ present at that meeting?
Who are the sons of God in Job 2:1?
Is Jesus Christ a son of God?

Hebrews 1:4-13 references Jesus anointing above his peers/companions- (Job 2:1) other sons of God?

All those spirit beings God sent from heaven to the earth,who are they?
Ministering spirits- angels
@ John 7:16 & Matthew 20:28, John 3:16, what is Jesus Christ doing on earth ?
Shey you grab the point ?

grin grin


Bro, you are mixing up scriptures.

Saying Jesus and still using scriptures of heavenly appearance to explain him shows you arent considering why the name Jesus was.

Jesus is the name of a man.
So anywhere in those scriptures you quoted above and see Jesus or was speaking about his early mission should be treated as such.

Using human name (Jesus) to explain angelic being is a first point of Biblical error. Hence all the scriptures you quoted above about angels never spoke about Jesus. You were the one reading Jesus into it.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:31am On Jun 09
His name before coming to the earth is Michael but after his birth on planet earth his name became Jesus and that is the name to which if mentioned all creatures both in heaven and on earth must bow! Philippians 2:10
Of course they're not just kneeling for Jesus but the one who gave Jesus the name above all other names, so once you're bowing in the name JEHOVAH approves then you are bowing before God's throne! Romans 14:11

So we know that in his prehuman existence he is called Michael but now the name Jesus reigns both in heaven and on earth! Matthew 28:18 smiley

hupernikao:

Bro, you are mixing up scriptures.
Saying Jesus and still using scriptures of heavenly appearance to explain him shows you arent considering why the name Jesus was.
Jesus is the name of a man.
So anywhere in those scriptures you quoted above and see Jesus or was speaking about his early mission should be treated as such.
Using human name (Jesus) to explain angelic being is a first point of Biblical error. Hence all the scriptures you quoted above about angels never spoke about Jesus. You were the one reading Jesus into it.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by haddeylium(m): 11:32am On Jun 09
Lmao wink
That's why I employed you to start reading from the onset wink
You just at the middle and missed the head of the discussion I was having with the other guys.
The other guy have understand and stop replying. I would advise you do the same too. Start the thread from one and my meditate on it.

According to God's Word, I've always maintained that the word 'Angel'(messenger) is just a title just as King and God is. You didn't dispute this, do you?
Anyone with the qualified as God's Messenger (Malak, Angel) must be A spirit son of God that can be send on an errand as a Messenger
I don't need to spoon-feed you on this. This is just as basic.

Found anything like angelic being in the Bible yet?
Don't let it confused you wink

I don't like deviating, a point at a time it will be. I'm a very lazy reader, keep your comment short and concise please

I'll leave the above for you to go over again but this time slowly wink
I don't like repeating myself and going round.
We are done with this part
Phonetic Spelling: (mal-ak')
Definition: an angel
Meaning: Messenger

Which is a title

The Bible placed all the spirit sons of God who receiving orders and running errands and messages for him as his Malak(Angel, Messenger)cheesy
Simple and concise

hupernikao:

Bro, you arent addressing issues you raised. You are only contradicting yourself the more.
There is a quote of yours i addressed and that should be the focus. I have also tried as much to keep you on focus as you seems to not find a stand in what you are saying and mixing things up.
This is the focus of our discussion.
The person you responded was asking if Jesus was an angel.
Obviously your response showed that you know he is referring to angelic being, yet you subtly start talking about messenger, malak, angelo usage. The fact that you know you hold a view that Jesus was an angelic being yet perambulating on discussing human messenger as angels is not honest. This is what i have cleared you on but you are still roaming texts around the issue.
wink

Till now, you still can't provide a single Bible verse that use the word 'Angelic being' wink
Now, open your ears to the truth in God's word.
What will have in the Bible are spirit sons of God serving the of Messengers (Angel)
Quick question:
Job 2:1- Afterward the day came when the sons of the true God entered to take their station before Jehovah

Do you think that Jesus(Son of God) would be in this gathering? wink
Definitely!

EDIT: If the picture you painted in your head when you use the word 'Angelic being' is a spirit creatures with literal wings, faces , arms and all. Then you might be wrong cheesy
They are spirit Messengers that are Immaterial, those features are just symbolic descriptions found in the Bible.
They don't even need wings to fly, they were given attributes that humans can understand.
Wings, to show are swift they are in delivering messages.
Even Jehovah is said to have hair and wings(Rev 1:14, Ps 91:4)
Thank you wink


They're spirit sons of God delivering messages and running errands as 'Messengers'(Angel, Malak)
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by DappaD: 11:55am On Jun 09
Emusan:

Yes and the scripture confirmed that ALL BELIEVERS receive the new birth.
John 1:12-13 says "However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name." NWT
How will they be TRANSFORMED? Are they not BORN AGAIN OR REBIRTH anymore?
Funny you, or you forgot EVERYONE will be RESURRECTED.
Well, you have right to believe what you want but not what the scripture says because the window is opened to "To ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM"
So, it can't be limited to 144,000 because millions did receive him.
Matt 5:5 says "Blessed are the meek and gentle—they will inherit the earth."
The people Jesus said will INHERIT the earth are THE MEEK, are you saying those who'll have heavenly inheritance are not MEEK & GENTLE?
But the fact still remains that, "TO ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM" they are BORN AGAIN.
Question!
Who will born those who have their inheritance on earth?

Yes, after the millennial rule of Christ, all humans living on earth would be completely free from sin(Revelation 22:1,2) and hence be called Jehovah’s sons and daughters. Romans 8:21
But for now, we’re still children of wrath(Romans 5:12) until we pass the final test. Revelation 20:1-3

My question is still pending since two days now:
DappaD:

The question is, will those whom Jesus said would have their inheritance on earth, need to be born again? Matthew 5:5
If yes, of what use will it be since Revelation 21:3 says that it is mankind(flesh and blood) that will inherit the blessings listed in Revelation 21:4?

Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 5:41pm On Jun 09
haddeylium:


I'll leave the above for you to go over again but this time slowly wink
I don't like repeating myself and going round.
We are done with this part
Phonetic Spelling: (mal-ak')
Definition: an angel
Meaning: Messenger

Which is a title

The Bible placed all the spirit sons of God who receiving orders and running errands and messages for him as his Malak(Angel, Messenger)cheesy
Simple and concise



One of the hallmark of a Christian is sincerity and honesty. You will do well to show that in your discussion.

Simple question you are dancing around the thread. Is Jesus an angel as Michael is an angel. You are answering like a troubled soldier. My aren't you bold enough to state your stand than hiding behind spirit son.

When you are ready for sincere discussions, let me know. All you do above is just throwing dice outside the game box.
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 5:41pm On Jun 09

Till now, you still can't provide a single Bible verse that use the word 'Angelic being' wink
Now, open your ears to the truth in God's word.
What will have in the Bible are spirit sons of God serving the of Messengers (Angel)
Quick question:
Job 2:1- Afterward the day came when the sons of the true God entered to take their station before Jehovah

Do you think that Jesus(Son of God) would be in this gathering? wink
Definitely!

EDIT: If the picture you painted in your head when you use the word 'Angelic being' is a spirit creatures with literal wings, faces , arms and all. Then you might be wrong cheesy
They are spirit Messengers that are Immaterial, those features are just symbolic descriptions found in the Bible.
They don't even need wings to fly, they were given attributes that humans can understand.
Wings, to show are swift they are in delivering messages.
Even Jehovah is said to have hair and wings(Rev 1:14, Ps 91:4)
Thank you wink


They're spirit sons of God delivering messages and running errands as 'Messengers'(Angel, Malak)

Your Bible interpretation skill needs to be adjusted. The way you have been pointing to scriptures and explain them with your imagination is dangerous to the inspired book.

You were firstly seeing Jesus in Mal 3 to Isa 42, I corrected you. I hope that one is clear. Now you moved to Job 2:1 and seeing Jesus there again. To what end?

This is Job 2:1
J[b]ob 2:1[/b]- Afterward the day came when the [i]sons of the true God entered to take their station before Jehovah[/i]

Where exactly do you see Jesus here. It's obvious you are feeding from the self revelation people who will always ignore biblical text and insert their imaginations that leads to confusion.

You need to quit imagining and see the Bible text well. Jesus doesn't exist in Job 2,its not written, it's not possible.



Remember my first post to you, that should be a good guide for your interpretation

Read it again >>> when ever you say Jesus, you are refering to a man born of man. That is him name in humanity, that is flesh and blood. You aren't refering to a spirit.

Seeing Jesus gathering in book of Job is a your imagination. Allow the scriptures to speak for itself.

Job told you those who gathered.

Sons of God, a language used for angels in OT. And God.

Jesus (human) was born thousands of years after this events. Stop overthinking in other to drive a false explanation of Jesus as angel. He wasn't there, it was GOD that was there. GOD, notice that emphasis.



So, I will advise you.

You need to stop dropping texts of scriptures you never know or read properly. All your texts are totally out of the authors intention but I don't want to assume they are deliberate. I want to believe it's a sign of not properly studying God's word.

So please, start reading bible as it is inspired, not as you are inspired. This is how you will find a true interpretation.

Selah grin grin

1 Like

Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 6:43pm On Jun 09
haddeylium:

Many of these have been answered if you check our previous conversations on this same thread.
I advise the other guy to do some basic research, and I hope you'll do that too.
it will surprise you that humans are refered to as Angel too(Re 2:1, 8, 12, 18)
The Word (Angel) is just a title that means messenger .
Spirit Sons of God that are loyal to God's sovereign are delivering his messages are called his (Malak, Aggelos, Angel) Messengers
Even, Jesus have his own Messengers(Malak, Angel)too.




Do you mean Jesus is not a messenger/servant? cheesy

Hupernikao is GIBBERISHLY mounting his defense for the man made scam called Trinity.

His Fellow Trinitarian Bible Translators have exposed his GIBBERISH denial of Jesus Christ angelic status time & again.
grin
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by Janosky: 6:55pm On Jun 09
hupernikao:



Bro, you arent addressing issues you raised. You are only contradicting yourself the more.

There is a quote of yours i addressed and that should be the focus. I have also tried as much to keep you on focus as you seems to not find a stand in what you are saying and mixing things up.

This is the focus of our discussion.
The person you responded was asking if Jesus was an angel.

Obviously your response showed that you know he is referring to angelic being, yet you subtly start talking about messenger, malak, angelo usage. The fact that you know you hold a view that Jesus was an angelic being yet perambulating on discussing human messenger as angels is not honest. This is what i have cleared you on but you are still roaming texts around the issue.

To recap



Firstly, the issue of everyone used of God as angels (angels of God, angelic being) is false. you arent making a distinction in this. Its either you are deliberately ignoring it or you arent honest with it. I have asked you if you are angelic being. Or arent you use of God. Kindly stop threading this line, you have no point here.

Secondly, i address your wrong interpretation of Mal 3, Isa 42,
You arent reading the scriptures as supposed. This is what i expect you to do and not be arguing on what is clear and written. Expect you dont have an open mind and only want to argue. The scriptures are clear and that is what you should use to discuss.

Lastly, trying to fuse Jesus as angelic being into your subtle narrative is not only unbiblical, it is dishonest. No scripture and i say again, no single scriptures in the whole of the Bible referred to Jesus as angelic being. This is the focus of the discussion. Trying to subtling refer to angels as messenger and then call Jesus angel is subtle denial of the scriptures.

Please give your time to read Mal 3 and Isa 42 those are your base text for the misinterpretation.
And read them properly.

I boldly tell you that Jesus was not an angel, this is the dispute and your subtle misinterpretation calling him one.
Bros, continue DECEIVING yourself & LYING grin


Malachi 3:1
1599 Geneva Bible

3 1 Of the messenger of the Lord, John Baptist, and of Christ’s office.

1 Behold, I will send my [a]messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord whom ye seek, shall speedily come to his Temple: even the [c]messenger of the Covenant, whom ye desire: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.


Footnotes
a. Malachi 3:1 This is meant of John Baptist, as
Christ expoundeth it, Luke 7:27.
b. Malachi 3:1 Meaning, Messiah, Ps. 40:1, 7;
Dan. 9:17, 25.

c. Malachi 3:1 That is, Christ, by whom the covenant was made and ratified, who is called the Angel or messenger of the covenant, because he reconcileth us to his father and is Lord or king, because he hath the government of his Church."
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Malachi 3:1
Amplified Bible

The Purifier
3 “Behold, I am going to send My [a]messenger, and he will prepare and clear the way before Me. And the Lord [the Messiah], whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; the [b]Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, [/b]behold, He is coming,” says the Lord of hosts.(A)


Footnotes
a.Malachi 3:1 This is fulfilled in John the Baptist (Matt 11:10; Mark 1:2; Luke 1:76).

[b]b.Malachi 3:1 The Messiah as God’s representative will confirm and establish the covenant (see Is 42:6).
++++++++++++++++++
Jesus is the messenger/Angel of the covenant , Geneva Bible talk am since 1599 & Amplified Bible, your Trinity mentors confirm it.


As long as you go do that assignment wey Yahweh send you, whether you are human being or spiritual being, you are Yahweh's angel doing Yahweh's command.

Bros, go & quarrel with your Trinity mentors
for exposure of your fallacies.

grin grin grin grin
Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by haddeylium(m): 6:56pm On Jun 09
hupernikao:


One of the hallmark of a Christian is sincerity and honesty. You will do well to show that in your discussion
You ought to be grateful that I take you back to point I'm discussing with the other guy concerning who 'Angel' and sons of Gods are.
Just like him, you can't refute any of those biblical claims concerning the identity of the 'Malaks'
And you're welcome


Simple question you are dancing around the thread. Is Jesus an angel as Michael is an angel. You are answering like a troubled soldier. My aren't you bold enough to state your stand than hiding behind spirit son.

I told you in my earlier post that I would have love that we focused on a point at a time. That's what I did.
Am I safe to assumed that you agree with God's word concerning how the 'Spirit Sons of God ' being referred to as 'Messengers'
And Jesus,(In his prehuman existence fell in both categories)!
No, you can't argue that also

1 Like 1 Share

Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by haddeylium(m): 6:57pm On Jun 09
hupernikao:

Simple question you are dancing around the thread. Is Jesus an angel as Michael is an angel. You are answering like a troubled soldier. My aren't you bold enough to state your stand than hiding behind spirit son.
You're hungry for knowledge, but you need to have the right attitude to learn.
To your question.

Festofost, it is not uncommon that people have more than a personal name in the Bible.
Only the names of two of God’s faithful angels (Malak:Messenger) appear in the Bible, Michael, and Gabriel others who appeared as messengers to men declined to give their names when asked.
While those two angels are mentioned by name, only Michael, is called the Archangel. (Judges 13:18), (Genesis 32:29)

© Apart from Michael, No Archangel is mentioned in the Bible.And the term Archangel was never used in plural to show shows that there only exist only An Archangel.
Michael is described as “the” archangel, implying that he alone bears that designation. So, Jehovah has delegated only one chief angel with authority over the other angels.

©Another individual spoken as having angels subject to his command is Jesus Christ. (Matthew 13:41wink
The apostle Paul spoke of “the Lord Jesus” and “his” powerful angels(Messenger).
But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels (2 Thess1:7 )

Jesus is not just Angel but an Archangel in heaven.

The apostle Paul prophesied:
“The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.” (1 Thes 4:16)

Jesus here, is being described as God’s Messianic King and it says he speaks with “an archangel’s voice.”
Simple and straight.
You might want to say he borrowed the 'Archangel's voice'
The Bible has already made it clear that it's Jesus' voice of command that will resurrect the dead

The hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out.”​—Joh 5:26-29.

Just as how 'A roar' belongs to 'A lion' same way an 'Archangel's voice' belongs to 'Archangel'.

The Scriptures point to the resurrected Jesus Christ as the chief of all angels—Michael the archangel.

Thank you

1 Like 2 Shares

Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by DappaD: 7:00pm On Jun 09
Aren’t you formerly hoopernikao the man who was disturbing my mentions around this time last year because I said Jesus was the archangel Michael? Maybe haddeylium was right—when people hear the word ‘angel’, they think it refers to weak and frail babies with cute wings and all LOL. One nairalander once, by the name of Ima.ge123 even claimed that humans were stronger than angels because of that sort of misguided reasoning you also have. 2Peter 2:11

hupernikao:

Your Bible interpretation skill needs to be adjusted. The way you have been pointing to scriptures and explain them with your imagination is dangerous to the inspired book
.
You were firstly seeing Jesus in Mal 3 to Isa 42, I corrected you. I hope that one is clear..

Are you saying that Jesus is NOT the person referred to in Malachi 3:1b and Isaiah 42:1?


Now you moved to Job 2:1 and seeing Jesus there again. To what end?
This is Job 2:1
J[b]ob 2:1[/b]- Afterward the day came when the [i]sons of the true God entered to take their station before Jehovah[/i]
Where exactly do you see Jesus here. It's obvious you are feeding from the self revelation people who will always ignore biblical text and insert their imaginations that leads to confusion.
You need to quit imagining and see the Bible text well. Jesus doesn't exist in Job 2,its not written, it's not possible.

Remember my first post to you, that should be a good guide for your interpretation
Read it again >>> when ever you say Jesus, you are refering to a man born of man. That is him name in humanity, that is flesh and blood. You aren't refering to a spirit.
Seeing Jesus gathering in book of Job is a your imagination. Allow the scriptures to speak for itself.Job told you those who gathered.

Well, Jesus exists in Job 2:1 because he was a Son of God before he was sent to the earth. John 3:16
Because it is either he wasn’t there or he never had a prehuman existence which would be a violation of Micah 5:2 anyway.


Sons of God, a language used for angels in OT. And God.

I saw how you stylishly added God to the equation because you know somebody will come at you with Jesus being the Son of God LOL. So where did God refer to himself as the son of himself in the Bible please?


Jesus (human) was born thousands of years after this events. Stop overthinking in other to drive a false explanation of Jesus as angel. He wasn't there, it was GOD that was there. GOD, notice that emphasis.

So it’s either Jesus did not have a prehuman existence which is a violation of Micah 5:2, John 8:23 or maybe he did have a prehuman existence, but he wasn’t the Son of God while in heaven?




So, I will advise you.
You need to stop dropping texts of scriptures you never know or read properly. All your texts are totally out of the authors intention but I don't want to assume they are deliberate. I want to believe it's a sign of not properly studying God's word.
So please, start reading bible as it is inspired, not as you are inspired. This is how you will find a true interpretation.
Selah grin grin

I would have said I expected better from you as per the double standards but I guess I would be wrong because for a man basing his understanding of the nature of God from what pagans gathered around to discuss in the council of Nicea says a lot about someone telling another to treat God’s word as inspired.

2 Likes 2 Shares

Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:09pm On Jun 09
I always tell trinitarians:

There will never be any concrete agreement on mode of worship within trinitarians! Luke 11:23

So if JWs say Jesus is Archangel Michael, let them argue from now till tomorrow the truth remains that it's only the Organization that believe Jesus is Michael can produce the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit in their midst, then there's no need dragging issues with any of them!

Whoever wants to know the secret of the LOVE, JOY and PEACE in our gathering should come and learn, anyone who feels he knows better is free to pitch his tent elsewhere! smiley



Janosky:


Hupernikao is GIBBERISHLY mounting his defense for the man made scam called Trinity.

His Fellow Trinitarian Bible Translators have exposed his GIBBERISH denial of Jesus Christ angelic status time & again.
grin

1 Like 1 Share

(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (Reply)

Falling Under The 'anointing' / Jesus was Crucified by the Demon at the Creation of the World / More Than 10000 People Displaced In Jos And Bukuru Metropolis Religious Crises.

(Go Up)

Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health
religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket

Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10)

Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2021 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 582
Disclaimer: Every Nairaland member is solely responsible for anything that he/she posts or uploads on Nairaland.