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Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by Nobody: 3:48pm On Jun 10, 2021
gidgiddy:


There is one problem with with all you wrote. The current constitution we operate, the 1999 constitution, was written by nobody

In other words, while the constitution does not provide for referendum, it has no legitimacy since it did not emanate from Nigerians

Therefore, the people are well within their rights to seek a referendum outside the constitution since the constitution its self is a fraud

Thus writing off all the constituent assemblies from the 1970's to the mid 1990's which provided much of the source for the 1999 constituion(Infact the 1999 constitution is a rewarmed copy of the 1979 constitution which was written down by a constituent assembly that sat from 1977-8.)

And also laying the foundation for anarchy. If you want Nigeria to separate peacefully as you guys say, you better have a piece of paper backing it. It's the constitution folks.

Plus no country comes with a perfect, people writtien constituition. That's why we have amendments...and which is why we have a process for ammendments.(The USA is a good example. Their original cosntitutuion was written by a group of rich white men...with no imput from the lower classes, women or minorites...which is why those rich white men also allowed for ammendments, to deal with any imperfections in their original work )

(And I say this as someone who thinks our current constituiton needs a lot of room for improvement..especially the Sharia bit..which got into our constitutuon under a lot of protest).

Plus the UK has no constitution, YET...whern they want to hold referendum...they pass laws.
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by IGBOSON1: 3:48pm On Jun 10, 2021
BKayy:

Are you listening to your self?
Which kind of education do you people receive in Nigeria?
FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION is a fundamental human right and Referendum is a way to determine it.
Nigeria never sat on referendum and abolished it (she can't). The fact that referendum is missing in Nigerian constitution shows how incomplete and backward it is.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Educated Illiterate

Don’t mind the fool! Least we forget, we’re talking of the military/Fulani constitution here!

Referendum is not in the constitution hence it can’t happen...yet they handed over Bakassi to Cameroon without even as much as a whimper!

Referendum may be taboo to some idiots, but as far as i’m concerned, it’s the sweetest taboo! wink

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Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by Nobody: 3:51pm On Jun 10, 2021
mrvitalis:

They chose to but they hate a vote to do that
Do you think UK would have allowed referendum at all if they weren't 100% sure of the outcome?
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by mrvitalis(m): 3:55pm On Jun 10, 2021
LordVoldermort:

Do you think UK would have allowed referendum at all if they weren't 100% sure of the outcome?
LMAO do they have an option ? Who control the UK ? Is it not the people ? See this one u think it's Nigeria

Yorubas have no problem with igbos leaving , south south have no problem , middle belt have no problem ....it's just Fulanis who feels it means no chance to conquer the igbos land if the leave
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by mrvitalis(m): 3:57pm On Jun 10, 2021
Beancounter93:


Yeah because he had a dispute with them. Has nothing to do with secession or referendum.

After all polticans get chased out of their parties all the time (His Bubu ship was chased out in a way from ANPP and ran to form CPC which contested elections for some time before it was absorbed into APC).
Bros if ipob form a political party , government would just sponsor people to get part set up parallel primaries ...use court to legitimate it ...it's too easy

The pressure would be so much that Nigeria would have no option than conduct referendum
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by EdoDefence: 3:58pm On Jun 10, 2021
Feggie3:
You are a goat! You should be banned from the internet space. That should be one less of a headache.

Just like your father grin
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by Nobody: 4:01pm On Jun 10, 2021
mrvitalis:

Bros if ipob form a political party , government would just sponsor people to get part set up parallel primaries ...use court to legitimate it ...it's too easy

The pressure would be so much that Nigeria would have no option than conduct referendum

As it stands, forming a party for secessionist moves is against the law (which is why people like Gani Adams haven't done so )

What could be done is simple

1.IPOB, Igboho and company form a National Restructuring Party. For now, keep your hand hidden. Attract the aid of the Middle Belt and the Niger Delta.

2.Win enough seats in the National Assembly and at state level

3.Move for a law allowing for a Soverign National Confrence.

4.It holds, and produces a new constituitoon allowing for secession

5.Refrendum holds on secession

Time for process...twenty years...can be reduced to ten if people are really agreesive about recrutiing.

The HAUSAS and fulani can be beaten. Obasanjo and GEJ did beat them in the past so to speak.
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by gidgiddy: 4:02pm On Jun 10, 2021
Beancounter93:


Thus writing off all the constituent assemblies from the 1970's to the mid 1990's which provided much of the source for the 1999 constituion(Infact the 1999 constitution is a rewarmed copy of the 1979 constitution which was written down by a constituent assembly that sat from 1977-8.)

And also laying the foundation for anarchy. If you want Nigeria to separate peacefully as you guys say, you better have a piece of paper backing it. It's the constitution folks.

Plus no country comes with a perfect, people writtien constituition. That's why we have amendments...and which is why we have a process for ammendments.(The USA is a good example. Their original cosntitutuion was written by a group of rich white men...with no imput from the lower classes, women or minorites...which is why those rich white men also allowed for ammendments, to deal with any imperfections in their original work )

(And I say this as someone who thinks our current constituiton needs a lot of room for improvement..especially the Sharia bit..which got into our constitutuon under a lot of protest).

Plus the UK has no constitution, YET...whern they want to hold referendum...they pass laws.

That was the 1979 constitution, long truncated by military rule. The 1999 constitution was agreed to by nobody in 1999. We have had 22 years for government to give the people a constitution generated by the people. The constitution we have now is an imposition and a fraud
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by Nobody: 4:04pm On Jun 10, 2021
gidgiddy:


That was the 1979 constitution, long truncated by military rule. The 1999 constitution was agreed to by nobody in 1999. We have had 22 years for government to give the people a constitution generated by the people. The constitution we have now is an imposition and a fraud

So, get into the NA, get enough votes to get that fraud constituton truncated and replaced. Grousing about it on this site would get you nowhere.Holding a big rally or chatteirng about it on Twitter will get you nowhere.

Join a party and be the change you want.

(And no,my comment does not mean I an telling you to forget about your Biafra. I regard secessionist movements in a country as a sign of a maturing democracy).
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by Restructuring: 4:05pm On Jun 10, 2021
Refferendum is not a crime ooo
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by Feggie3: 4:07pm On Jun 10, 2021
EdoDefence:


Just like your father grin
ok
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by Nobody: 4:16pm On Jun 10, 2021
mrvitalis:

LMAO do they have an option ? Who control the UK ? Is it not the people ? See this one u think it's Nigeria

Yorubas have no problem with igbos leaving , south south have no problem , middle belt have no problem ....it's just Fulanis who feels it means no chance to conquer the igbos land if the leave

UK is actually controlled by the Monarchy and some Billionaires same as Nigeria, The people have power in decision making of a country but the power has a limit and it's overestimated

It is the people who invested much in the country that decide at the end of the day.
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by EdoDefence: 4:17pm On Jun 10, 2021
Feggie3:
why did you use thunder to scatter my mama loose toto. cry cry

Are you this pained undecided, she asked for it so I gave it to her grin
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by gidgiddy: 4:34pm On Jun 10, 2021
Beancounter93:


So, get into the NA, get enough votes to get that fraud constituton truncated and replaced. Grousing about it on this site would get you nowhere.Holding a big rally or chatteirng about it on Twitter will get you nowhere.

Join a party and be the change you want.

(And no,my comment does not mean I an telling you to forget about your Biafra. I regard secessionist movements in a country as a sign of a maturing democracy).

Its not possible. The law on changing the constitution is that you will need a two third majority vote or above at the national assembly for constitutional change. Just the core North controls 40% vote at the national assembly and they dont want any constitutional change

Complete waste of time
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by BKayy: 4:36pm On Jun 10, 2021
rottennaija:


And removed the secessionist clause and referendum from the constitution? Igbos right? When they were in Power and thought they would rule forever?
You Yellow bars have one syndrome and that is "lie, believe that your lie and later use the same lie as template/Source for argument"
Before a constitution of any form is compiled by any country there must be concensus of such from all party.
When did that happen in Nigeria?
When and you are here saying that an Igbo man went to the constitution and removed secession clause and Referendum.
You people are quite..... Let me reserve it.
Products of lies, just like the lie of education reform and literacy level you lots peddle over the Internet but when they ask you to point out one existing school Awolowo built that is existing you start fidgeting.
Liars
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by BKayy: 4:41pm On Jun 10, 2021
Beancounter93:


So based on your assertion there would have been no need for the British to pass an enabling law to have a brexit referendum

Yet they did.

N.B I did not say you cannot have your Biafra referendum if you want. I just merely stated you need a law to get there

Which means you have to take part in the political process to do so

So why throw a tantrum about that fact.? Especially since you yourself mentioned that our constitution is backward on lacking a law on secession. So, like I suggested, join the political process and get that law passed
Nigeria does not have any constitution.
Referendum or concensus by parties involved in a union comes before drafting a constitution which portray the ideology of the country.
Basic Philosophy.
The British did not put Referendum as a chapter on their constitution but after series of revolution they decided they provide simple things that will lead to referendum to avoid using violence as a way of settling misunderstanding.
They even applied it in New Zealand during the country's flag dispute.
Thank you
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by mrvitalis(m): 5:10pm On Jun 10, 2021
Beancounter93:


As it stands, forming a party for secessionist moves is against the law (which is why people like Gani Adams haven't done so )

What could be done is simple

1.IPOB, Igboho and company form a National Restructuring Party. For now, keep your hand hidden. Attract the aid of the Middle Belt and the Niger Delta.

2.Win enough seats in the National Assembly and at state level

3.Move for a law allowing for a Soverign National Confrence.

4.It holds, and produces a new constituitoon allowing for secession

5.Refrendum holds on secession

Time for process...twenty years...can be reduced to ten if people are really agreesive about recrutiing.

The HAUSAS and fulani can be beaten. Obasanjo and GEJ did beat them in the past so to speak.
Win enough sits how when fulanis control inec n police ? When north have 19 states n have planted sabo everywhere ?
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by Nobody: 6:10pm On Jun 10, 2021
mrvitalis:

Win enough sits how when fulanis control inec n police ? When north have 19 states n have planted sabo everywhere ?

You guys should stop giving up easily.
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by mrvitalis(m): 6:19pm On Jun 10, 2021
Beancounter93:


You guys should stop giving up easily.
LMAO
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by Nobody: 6:25pm On Jun 10, 2021
mrvitalis:

LMAO

Right back at you.

Good evening.
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by nairalandankrah: 9:43pm On Jun 11, 2021
rottennaija:


You deliberately have the story in reverse. Igbo has been talking of biafra and referendum ever since have known igbos. The killing never started until Nnamdi Kanu came into the scene, inciting his followers that without sacrifices, they cannot get what they wanted.

This was when he threatened to go to Abuja and bring Buhari's head, said buhari was mad, declared they will be no elections in any part of igbo lands, formed an ESN (fully armed men and women), started attacking states infrastructure and security architecture and started killing policemen and soldiers.

Without these activities, they would have been left alone. So don't tell the story in reverse.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4jBToOT6TQ
You say Nigeria is rotten, yet you're still frolicking on top of rottenness..
Choose a path and stick to it..
Quit deceiving yourself..
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by rottennaija(m): 6:12am On Jun 12, 2021
nairalandankrah:

You say Nigeria is rotten, yet you're still frolicking on top of rottenness..
Choose a path and stick to it..
Quit deceiving yourself..

Irrespective!
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by vanunu: 6:46am On Jun 12, 2021
Beancounter93:


That was formed under the provisions of the old first republic constitution, which is no longer in force since the 1966 coup.

So your question is irrelevant.

(Today if you want to form a state, you have to jump several hurdles to get there.)

Midwest was created through a referendum.
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by Nobody: 6:52am On Jun 12, 2021
vanunu:


Midwest was created through a referendum.

It was not. And even if it was, it would have been done under the old constitution which has no longer been in force since 1966.
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by oyatz(m): 8:31am On Jun 12, 2021
DiagnoPolitics:


Mr Mugurudeen the fulani muslim, when you illiterate quota talk, you only decieve your m0r0nic likes.

British constitution is not even written or codified, if you argue otherwise can you show us the document that encompasses the British constitution and where 'referendum" is written therein? No need to waste time, you can't?

Yet the British have held several referendums for many centuries.

Anyway, nobody is begging for referendum anymore from the fulani animals and islamic bushmen from futa jallon. Everyone knows the language that you simian fulani apes speak--Violence. The indigenous tribes of this country that always seek to dominate will speak it to you very much soon. grin

The f00lanis have everything to lose in the next war they eagerly itch to fight, their grip on Illorin, and other emirates will be challenged in the next war that they have threatened everyone. It will be f00lani vs everyone else. YOU WILL LOSE LAS LAS


You can hold your referendum anytime, even tomorrow.

You don't need the Fulani or the Ewedugerians to conduct your referendum sir.
Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by DiagnoPolitics: 8:15am On Jun 17, 2021
oyatz:


You can hold your referendum anytime, even tomorrow.

You don't need the Fulani or the Ewedugerians to conduct your referendum sir.

Then, withdraw your vandalistic soldiers and other instruments of federal oppression from our region. Of course your pro-abooki muslim brain will always try to be clever by half while pretending to be objective on Biafran issues.

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Re: Is Referendum A Crime? by oyatz(m): 3:38pm On Jun 17, 2021
DiagnoPolitics:


Then, withdraw your vandalistic soldiers and other instruments of federal oppression from our region. Of course your pro-abooki muslim brain will always try to be clever by half while pretending to be objective on Biafran issues.
Why compulsorily sounding dull than necessary?
What is the correlation between referendum and another excuse of the soldiers you are bringing into the matter?

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