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Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by petra1(m): 6:06am On Jun 29, 2021 |
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Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by OkCornel(m): 7:13am On Jun 29, 2021 |
petra1: Lol, only a living faith pleases God. And a living faith is evidenced by works (not works of the law but the fruits of the Spirit). A tree is judged by the fruits it bears. And by the way, every man would be judged according to their works as Jesus clearly mentioned. Revelation 22 v 12-14; 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 4 Likes |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by petra1(m): 8:36am On Jun 29, 2021 |
OkCornel: what are LOLing about? only a living faith pleases God. And a living faith is evidenced by works define works |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by OkCornel(m): 9:09am On Jun 29, 2021 |
petra1: It’s in my post. For the believers, it’s the fruits of the Spirit, and obedience to the law of Christ. Simply put in generic terms, works are deeds. |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by paxonel(m): 11:12am On Jun 29, 2021 |
OkCornel:there is no difference between works of the law and fruit of the spirit. Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Which is also a fruit of the spirit 1 Like |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by OkCornel(m): 11:29am On Jun 29, 2021 |
paxonel: By works of the law, I meant obedience to instructions like wearing fringes, dietary laws, tithes, first fruits, penile circumcision and all those instructions that deal with actions and outward appearances, rather than the state of the heart, and weightier matters of Justice and Mercy which is fulfilled through love (one of the fruits of the Spirit) |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by paxonel(m): 1:27pm On Jun 29, 2021 |
OkCornel:ok |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by Kobojunkie: 2:58pm On Jun 29, 2021 |
paxonel:1. Expand on your claim that there is no difference between works done in obedience of Jesus Christ(the Law) and what you call the "fruit of the spirit"? 2. Can you please list about 10 possible ways to show love to your neighbor? |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by paxonel(m): 3:25pm On Jun 29, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:why should i begin to do that now, aren't you a Christian or are you not familiar with scriptures? |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by rhektor(m): 3:45pm On Jun 29, 2021 |
petra1: This could be the acts or deeds of faith 1 Like |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by Kobojunkie: 3:56pm On Jun 29, 2021 |
paxonel:I don't think as you do with your many special interpretations of scripture. So I have to ask these question in order to get a glimpse into why it is you are referring to. Kobojunkie: |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by Kobojunkie: 3:58pm On Jun 29, 2021 |
rhektor:intentions carried out In obedience of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ? |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by petra1(m): 4:35pm On Jun 29, 2021 |
OkCornel: Our works to be judged by has to do with our purpose, ministry, motives etc. but the fruits of the Spirit are differnt 1 Like |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by OkCornel(m): 5:00pm On Jun 29, 2021 |
petra1: The fruits of the Spirit is the foundation for the works you do as a sincere believer. It is the character (inputted by your obedience to the Holy Spirit) which forms the basis for your deeds. Yes, the deeds you’ll be judged by. For example, a believer with the fruit of love does charitable deeds, not for what he gets in return…but because it’s in his nature to do so unconditionally. A believer with the fruit of self control is less susceptible to fleshly desires like drunkenness, gluttony, fornication etc. A believer with the fruits of Joy and Peace is less susceptible to depression and anxiety which may lead to drug abuse or chasing money shamelessly to mask his or her insecurities. I can go on and on, a tree is judged by the fruits it bears. A man is judged by his deeds. The fruits of the Spirit or the works of the flesh is the driving force behind the deeds of men. You can’t say it’s different. It’s the foundation, the essence. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by rhektor(m): 5:06pm On Jun 29, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Yes sir |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by paxonel(m): 5:44pm On Jun 29, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:OK, not necessarily because you want to know further but you want to keep upholding your dogma even when they have no necessary grounds or scriptural support? Ofcourse, you will always have people countering you and the worst is, you will never come in terms with full knowledge |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by Kobojunkie: 5:48pm On Jun 29, 2021 |
paxonel:I didn't make the claim in question. You did. I simply want you to point out where in scripture the claims you made come from. |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by petra1(m): 10:53am On Jul 16, 2021 |
OkCornel: A good tree must produce good fruit. But we dont always judge trees by fruits only because the fruit dont make the tree . There are good fruits religoud people have that are not necessarily born from good trees. eg. moral conducts , character, kindness, principles etc 1 Like |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by Kobojunkie: 2:34pm On Jul 16, 2021 |
petra1:Fruits are the RESULTs of the works done by the tree in producing them. Jesus Christ declared that the only way to determine who is His and who is not His is by their fruits. Moral conducts , characters, kindness, principles are not fruits and so not important in determining whether a person belongs to Jesus Christ or not. Even those in the world mimic with great ease everything you have listed up there. |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by Joagbaje(m): 4:11pm On Jul 16, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: We agree on something for once 1 Like |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by Kobojunkie: 4:13pm On Jul 16, 2021 |
Joagbaje:I am not a mind reader so there is no way for me to know what is you disagree with of my posts if you don't let me know so I can better expand on them. |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by petra1(m): 4:19pm On Jul 16, 2021 |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 4:36pm On Jul 16, 2021 |
He is right if you know holy spirit you will not it not by works |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by BassReeves: 6:59pm On Jul 16, 2021 |
petra1: OkCornel: petra1: OkCornel:There isnt anything called fruits of the Spirit |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by OkCornel(m): 9:41pm On Jul 16, 2021 |
BassReeves: Thanks for the correction 1 Like |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by petra1(m): 11:03pm On Jul 16, 2021 |
BassReeves: read Gal 5:22 |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by BassReeves: 12:12am On Jul 17, 2021 |
BassReeves: OkCornel:No problem brah petra1:The fruit, is with no 's' I am sure you know that, the Greek word, 'karpos', used in Galatians 5-22-23, is in the singular, but if still, you disagree with that fact and truth, then please post and come out here with what and how Galatians 5:22 is in your bible. |
Re: Pastor Chris : We Are Saved By Faith Not By Works by petra1(m): 12:15am On Jul 17, 2021 |
BassReeves: ok i get it. 1 Like |
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