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Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:33pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
rottennaija:Of course! Let me enlighten you about politics! The leader of any community, state or country is supposed to be the father of all the citizens. So he has no reason to hold grudges against any group of people under his domain as long as they're peaceloving and obedient to civil rules. The one and only reason a leader can start attacking any group is if they're becoming a threat to his position. Now the Russian orthodox Churches wants the churches that are preaching against their position out of the way just as the Pharisees wanted Jesus out of the way. So even if Putin don't have any issues with JWs he must dance to the tune of the Orthodox Churches who will support him during his next campaign and also compel their members to vote for him. Of course you and i know for sure that JWs are of no use to Putin in all these so it costs him nothing to deal ruthlessly with the JWs if the need be! 1 Like |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by achorladey: 9:34pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
Regie2bless: Jehovah detest potatoes but you comot the starch inside the potatoes wey Jehovah detest. E clear? |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by KNOWMORE56: 9:34pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
achorladey: "Is it even possible for a society to survive without politics?" There's politics in becoming one of the 8 men in New York... When they want to deceive people they will start to quote Bible and miss apply it. 2 Likes |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by Deadlytruth(m): 9:35pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:A true believer would in the first instance understand that politics should not be an unhealthy competition hence he wouldn't even get involved to the extent of struggling negatively in it. And pray tell me any human endeavor that can't and doesn't have the capacity to degenerate into deadly rivalry. Your citation of John 13: 34 - 35 doesn't prove that Jesus was against participation in earthly government or politics. His avoidance was simply because it would forestall his salvation project of dying on the cross. Now, do all Christians equally have to die on the cross to save the world? Secondly, just before Jesus was taken back to heaven his disciples asked him when God would fulfill his promise of restoring their earthly government to them as a country. By that the disciples demonstrated interest in how they were being politically governed. They obviously wanted an end to the extant Roman imperialism. But did Jesus rebuke them for being interested in earthly governance of their country. A big no. Rather Jesus reaffirmed the promise and reassured them of its fulfilment in due time. In Romans 16:23 Paul transmitted calvary greetings from Erastus a political office holder in the Government of Rome.... meaning that Paul recognized a politician as a worthy member of the church. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by achorladey: 9:39pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
30naira: What is the freedom of choice in accepting blood transfusion which a religious organization based on CONSCIENCE and the same religious organizations kick any of it members or penalised them for acting on their conscience to do so? 1 Like |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by rottennaija(m): 9:39pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: So you have no evidence but just this contraptions you crop up? I asked for evidence not hearsay or conspiracies. 3 Likes |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by achorladey: 9:40pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
worlexy: I can only hope you get a response. As in word for word as you place that question 2 Likes |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by TemmyT002(m): 9:40pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
rottennaija: Na lie There is a difference between hatred and disassociation. You don't hate cultists and yahoo Boys, right? But you can't associate with them. Attend one of their services first and see the difference. Just one service. 1 Like |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by Deadlytruth(m): 9:41pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
Trustedpronet:The world as used in the bible means participation in sin against God. It doesn't mean you should isolate yourself from the affairs of men completely. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by KNOWMORE56: 9:42pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=104091875] Of course! Let me enlighten you about politics! The leader of any community, state or country is supposed to be the father of all the citizens. So he has no reason to hold grudges against any group of people under his domain as long as they're peaceloving and obedient to civil rules. The one and only reason a leader can start attacking any group is if they're becoming a threat to his position. Now the Russian orthodox Churches wants the churches that are preaching against their position out of the way just as the Pharisees wanted Jesus out of the way. So even if Putin don't have any issues with JWs he must dance to the tune of the Orthodox Churches who will support him during his next campaign and also compel their members to vote for him. Of course you and i know for sure that JWs are of no use to Putin in all these so it costs him nothing to deal ruthlessly with the JWs if the need be! [/quote "The leader of any community, state or country is supposed to be the father of all the citizens." Max how about the leader of any organization is supposed to be the father of all the members Why then do the GB disfellowship some of the members? |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:42pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
rottennaija: The settings totally differs! Remember that the eunuch already beleive in the coming Messiah whose orders and instructions he mustn't dispute {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} the only problem he had was not knowing this person all the prophets were pointing to {Act 8:34} so once he asked for baptism {Act 8:36} there's no reason delaying his baptism because he already knows what to do once he's able to identify the Messiah! But most people today don't even know what exactly is the significance of Jesus Christ so they need to know this first and it's their response to Jesus' Commandments that will show they're ready for baptism. Please the setting totally differs! |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by achorladey: 9:43pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
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Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by philipobiz: 9:45pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
worlexy: It appears you are still living in the past. Please research on the use of blood transfusion alternate. By the time you are through, I am sure you will prefer it just like alot of people today. In the developed world, these alternatives are in come use, unlike in Nigeria, where most of the medical practitioners are rigid on the use of blood alone. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by Deadlytruth(m): 9:46pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
Maximus85:So since people sometimes die through surgical operations, then such method of treating ailments should be abandoned? Or that since aeroplanes do crash and kill hundreds of passengers on board air travel should be banned? Funny. 1 Like |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by rottennaija(m): 9:46pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: I thought you are following the Bible and the example of first century Christian? And by the way, what example does the Bible set when it comes to baptism? 1 Like |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by rottennaija(m): 9:48pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
TemmyT002: It still doesn't dispute the fact that JWs hate other religion, does it? 1 Like |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by achorladey: 9:50pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
mu2sa2: All other Christian denominations are called LIE LIE CHRISTIANS in pidgin by these same people. Do you know what that means to someone learning that from very tender age to adulthood? |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:50pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
There was no active politician holding any position in the first century, like today when i first met the JWs i never knew it will come to my resignation. But i so much love what i was learning more than anything in the world! So it was during the study of a book "You Can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth" that i came to a portion where my conscience began disturbing me that i must make the decision. I first ran away for many years but God kept me alive until i now came back fully prepared to forgo whatever it will cost me to become a member of this peaceloving group! Luke 18:18-23 Deadlytruth: |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by EteBabaagba222(m): 9:52pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
worlexy: Read with understanding. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:53pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
rottennaija: Compliance to all the rules both the ones Jesus taught and the ones the Holy Spirit later taught us! So the more we are growing in Christ the more we are exposed to the things we must know before we vow to become one of Jesus' true disciples! |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by achorladey: 9:56pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
rottennaija: He/She is an old testament Christian
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Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by marsup: 9:56pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
DappaD:We are not slaves. There is a difference between being a follower and a slave. Slaves don’t have free will. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by Franking: 9:57pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
Emperorlanky: It's never time. There's always one excuse or the other. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by Franking: 9:59pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
Maximus85: Story. Have some witnesses been killed? Yes. Still it's not time.....very convenient. Jehova is non-existent. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by achorladey: 9:59pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
rottennaija: Rather than admit that indeed there were people holding political positions after Christ dead, he spin and try to and explain it away to cover the main point. Cornelius even collect Holy spirit before baptism. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by SilverSnow(m): 10:00pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
Maximus85:This is funny. But it makes a lot of sense, although I don't think that's the reason sha |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by Deadlytruth(m): 10:01pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Then who was Erastus and what exactly is the status of a city treasurer as described in Romans 16'23? All religious organizations are peace loving. I don't know of any one that preaches the absence of peace from their pulpit. The bible is your standard and not first century Christians who had their own sins. Wasn't the first century Christians Paul was referring to when he wrote a letter to the church in Corinth rebuking them for incestuous relationships among themselves? So are you suggesting you practice incest because first century Christians did it? |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by ssogundele(m): 10:01pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
Minjim: This Doss Desmond is not a JW but an Adventist. Don’t even forget that he refused to bear arms stocked to his non violent religious teachings! The Adventist too don’t join military |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by rottennaija(m): 10:02pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
achorladey: He is only deceiving himself. Of course, all of these is just so he can support loyally an untrue position set by his religion. But tomorrow, if the religions says otherwise, he turns around like a sheep taken to the slaughter and accepts it. 1 Like |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by rottennaija(m): 10:03pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Do you know that growing in Christ means you are an anointed Christian? 1 Like |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by achorladey: 10:03pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
KNOWMORE56: Na so jare, it is said man is political by nature. Abstention during voting process is part of politics paapaa because abstention equally affect the result of the voting process. 1 Like |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by solasola(m): 10:06pm On Jul 25, 2021 |
If your assumption is true, then most Jehovah's families would have lots of widowers whose wife died for not accepting blood transfusion. We place premium importance on life. Blood transfusion is costlier and we live healthier lives. Your assumption is very very wrong brother. We are 8 million and counting worldwide. The statistics speaks for itself. Just google which is more safer, blood transfusion or bloodless surgeries. worlexy: |
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