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It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by eomajeh: 1:00pm On Jul 27
this will help you understand why the Russian government is doing what it is doing to the JW religious group.

Fact 1: until the September 11 2001 attacks, the Jonestown tragedy of Nov 18 1978 represented the largest number of American civilian casualties in a single non-natural event.
Fact 2: that fateful day, acting on the urging of their leader, more than 900 Americans (belonging to a religious group called the Peoples Temple church) died after drinking a poisonous substance
Fact 3: the People’s Temple was a church with progressive ideals. With members coming from a diverse mix of racial backgrounds, the church pioneered racial integration years before U.S. desegregation law. The church performed altruistic deeds for the community, establishing social service programs for drug addiction, poverty and battered women.

One big lesson from the Jonestown tragedy is that sometimes people need to be saved from themselves. It is for this reason that suicide is considered a crime in most societies.

Why this back-tracking to the People’s Temple church and its 1978 brohaha? Let’s do some retracing.
Fact 3: The Jehovah’s Witnesses can be described as a church (or organization as it describes itself) with progressive ideals. With members coming from a diverse mix of racial backgrounds, the church (or organization) is fostering integration even as discrimination threatens to tear society apart. Its members are peace-loving people who perform altruistic deeds for the community, with many turning their lives around by getting off drugs and crime.
Fact 2: the Jehovah’s witnesses act on the urgings of their leaders without question. For example: the JW leaders interpreted some bible portions to say organ transplant is scripturally wrong, and all witnesses accepted without questions and complied. Then the leaders came again and said organ transplant is fine, and all witnesses re-adjusted without question and complied. Now the leaders interpret some bible verses to say blood transfusion is scripturally wrong, and all witnesses accept without question and comply. If the leaders come tomorrow and say blood transfusion is fine, all witnesses will readjust and comply.
Fact 1: these urgings of JW leadership cloaked as “present truths” have caused a lot of evils, such as causing deaths to many, and tearing families apart. For example: many witnesses died for refusing organ transplant as urged by their leadership, many witnesses are dying now for refusing blood transfusion as urged by their leadership, many family relationships are currently being destroyed by the shunning practice urged by the witness leadership, etc

Why will peace-loving people be treated as they are by the Russian government? Sometimes people have to be saved from themselves.

The Russian government realizes that some of the ideas of the witnesses are extremist and actually cause evils. Thus, the govt is moving to save these people from themselves. However, that is not to say that the Russian government is going about it the right way. But I sure do understand why they are doing it
Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by Authoreety: 1:42pm On Jul 27
Thanks for clearing us
Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by eomajeh: 2:03pm On Jul 27
u're welcome

Authoreety:
Thanks for clearing us
Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by Felimax(m): 2:11pm On Jul 27
It took hospital management quite a task to get through this. She is barely 20 and dying and what she needed to foster her treatment was just blood, the family kept insisting no blood but doctor knows she is an adult and can speak for herself and she inquired from her if she want to be alive and she said yes, though she could barely talk but she craved for anything that will keep her alive. At this time, just because she agreed on blood transfusion they all abadoned her, with what i saw at the NNPC medical center i doubet if she can go more than 24 hours.
Long story cut short, she was giving blood and she made it.
Presently, she is among the non witness member of her family.
Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by MightySparrow: 2:34pm On Jul 27
Anything bordering on faith is always anti- government, or sometimes anti - humanity. Daniel was defiant in Babylon, we are reading him as example of faith to emulate. Boko Haram, ISIS, ISWAP, Al - Qaeda, etc. are practicing their faith the way they understand, the whole world is on its toes.

In such climes as Russia, where government takes responsibility for the lives of their citizens, they have right to control what people do. Unlike African countries where anything goes, and no one takes responsibility. You have Pastors, Imams, traditionalists doing all manners of evils unrestricted.
Some will call this persecution, the truth is most societies are not run by theocratic laws.

Would you really blame Russian government?
Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by dappa71: 4:19pm On Jul 27
Beer parlor gists and imaginary conspiracies! grin

People make decisions regarding their healthcare everyday.

A person’s healthcare decisions can be influenced by lifestyle, culture, religion or personal ethics—quoted from betterhealth.vic.gov.au website

Eomajeh, people out there are of age to decide what they want for themselves so leave sentiments aside and face the facts. An individual may decide to object to general/complete anesthesia during surgery and opt for a more suitable sedation, or in extreme cases, even include end-of-life procedures in the event of a surgery, i.e. euthanasia which are all binding by a durable power of attorney document. These are decisions people make out there due to their personal reasons. I’m not saying it has anything to do with Jehovah’s Witnesses generally.

Now, when it comes to the Witnesses however, each person chooses to object to blood transfusions in the event of a surgery and this is binding by a durable power of attorney document. So there’s no two ways about it. As a doctor, try and violate the person’s rights and na lawsuit go dey find you.

The website I quoted above mentioned that a person’s healthcare decisions can be influenced by religion. Due to the religious beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses, they say NO to blood transfusions either whole blood or major components of blood i.e. white blood cells, red blood cells, plasma and platelets. Acts 15:29

However, there are minor fractions in the blood that act as antibodies such as immunoglobulins and albumins. The latter being present in egg-white. So it’s not viewed as a major component of blood. Other Witnesses might choose to use blood expander where available.

Besides, it’s not only Jehovah’s Witnesses who object to blood transfusions. Countless medical practitioners and individuals from around the globe have understood that blood transfusions does more harm than good. It leaves the person open to a lot of surgery-associated risks and terminal illnesses, so it is not guaranteed that the person will survive the operation.

That’s what has given rise to the potency of BMS(Bloodless medicine and surgery). A qualified medical doctor here in Nigeria made the following statement on his website with regards to BMS:
“It results in faster recovery, lower morbidity, lower mortality, shorter hospital stay, lower cost and better patient (and physician) satisfaction. Furthermore, patient autonomy is respected and the hazards of allogeneic blood transfusion are avoided, in accordance with the principles of nonmaleficence and beneficence in the Hippocratic Oath.7, 41, 45 Understandably then, BMS is no longer an ‘alternative’ but the current standard of care. BMS may also be considered a crucial step in the journey towards universal ethical, scientific, and evidence-based practice of medicine.” https://www.medstarbloodless.org/bloodless-medicine-and-surgery

So Jehovah’s Witnesses are moving ahead with the medical trend, we are not stagnant. Matthew 9:12
It’s usually people like you who think we must continue clinging on to the past while there are BETTER alternatives and methods out there than blood transfusions.

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Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by dappa71: 4:53pm On Jul 27
eomajeh: “...many family relationships are currently being destroyed by the shunning practice urged by the witness leadership...”

Jehovah is the God of the JWs so we work with his own wisdom which is higher than ours. Isaiah 55:9
That’s why sometimes it’s difficult for those who are not Witnesses to comprehend why certain things take place and so they brand it as “extremism”.

Jehovah said to his people in ancient times that love for him must come first before love for family members. Deuteronomy 6:4
That is, if a person commits a detestable sin that is deserving of death and a family relative gets to hear of it, he/she is the first person that must stone such a family member to death. Deuteronomy 13:6-11
The reason? So that such a person does not become a corrupting influence in the land of Israel. Deuteronomy 17:7b
Do you think that was extremism or divine wisdom?

As for the Christians, the Mosaic Law no longer applied to them since Christ blotted out the Law with his sacrificial death. Romans 10:4, Colossians 2:14
But still, the principles behind the Mosaic Law were still applicable.

Hence, love for Jehovah our God must come first before love for any family member, be it wife, husband, child, mother, father, brother, sister cousin etc. Matthew 10:37, Mark 12:29

So if a family member in the faith commits a grevious sin such as the ones listed at 1Corinthians 6:9,10 & Galatians 5:19-21, he/she in the household who hears of it must report to the elders in the congregation(Leviticus 5:1) that is, after giving the person time to report himself. Then congregational action is taken and if the person proves to be unrepentant of his sins after several attempts at readjusting him(Galatians 6:1), then such a person is disfellowshiped from the congregation. 1Corinthians 5:11-13

The reason? So that such a person does not become like leaven or gangrene, i.e. a corrupting influence around others in the congregation. 1Corinthians 5:6

Do you think that’s extremism? Or is that divine wisdom intertwined in standard set by Jehovah our God in the scriptures? Hebrews 12:6-8
This arrangement is actually a very loving arrangement, so that the person who faulted God’s law can come back to his senses and realize his mistakes.(Luke 15:18) in order for Jehovah our God to forgive him in a large way. Isaiah 1:18, 55:7

One of the reasons why Jehovah’s organization is spiritually clean is because we hold high moral standards(Matthew 5:13-16, 1Peter 2:12) so God’s holy spirit will not be active in an unclean organization. Galatians 5:22-23

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Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by eomajeh: 5:03pm On Jul 27
typical example of JW practices tearing up family relationships

Felimax:
It took hospital management quite a task to get through this. She is barely 20 and dying and what she needed to foster her treatment was just blood, the family kept insisting no blood but doctor knows she is an adult and can speak for herself and she inquired from her if she want to be alive and she said yes, though she could barely talk but she craved for anything that will keep her alive. At this time, just because she agreed on blood transfusion they all abadoned her, with what i saw at the NNPC medical center i doubet if she can go more than 24 hours.
Long story cut short, she was giving blood and she made it.
Presently, she is among the non witness member of her family.
Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by eomajeh: 5:28pm On Jul 27
dappa71:
eomajeh: “...many family relationships are currently being destroyed by the shunning practice urged by the witness leadership...”

Jehovah is the God of the JWs so we work with his own wisdom which is higher than ours. Isaiah 55:9
That’s why sometimes it’s difficult for those who are not Witnesses to comprehend why certain things take place and so they brand it as “extremism”.

Jehovah said to his people in ancient times that love for him must come first before love for family members. Deuteronomy 6:4
That is, if a person commits a detestable sin that is deserving of death and a family relative gets to hear of it, he/she is the first person that must stone such a family member to death. Deuteronomy 13:6-11
The reason? So that such a person does not become a corrupting influence in the land of Israel. Deuteronomy 17:7b
Do you think that was extremism or divine wisdom?

As for the Christians, the Mosaic Law no longer applied to them since Christ blotted out the Law with his sacrificial death. Romans 10:4, Colossians 2:14
But still, the principles behind the Mosaic Law were still applicable.

Hence, love for Jehovah our God must come first before love for any family member, be it wife, husband, child, mother, father, brother, sister cousin etc. Matthew 10:37, Mark 12:29

So if a family member in the faith commits a grevious sin such as the ones listed at 1Corinthians 6:9,10 & Galatians 5:19-21, he/she in the household who hears of it must report to the elders in the congregation(Leviticus 5:1) that is, after giving the person time to report himself. Then congregational action is taken and if the person proves to be unrepentant of his sins after several attempts at readjusting him(Galatians 6:1), then such a person is disfellowshiped from the congregation. 1Corinthians 5:11-13

The reason? So that such a person does not become like leaven or gangrene, i.e. a corrupting influence around others in the congregation. 1Corinthians 5:6

Do you think that’s extremism? Or is that a standard set by Jehovah our God in the scriptures? Hebrews 12:6-8
This arrangement is actually a very loving arrangement, so that the person who faulted God’s law can come back to his senses and realize his mistakes.(Luke 15:18) so that Jehovah our God can forgive him in a large way. Isaiah 1:18, 55:7

One of the reasons why Jehovah’s organization is spiritually clean is because we hold high moral standards(Matthew 5:13-16, 1Peter 2:12) so God’s holy spirit will not be active in an unclean organization. Galatians 5:22-23


Of course, you will have a defense for your JW practices. Anyone can quote verses and interpret them however they want to support their position. It comes down to interpretation of text.


I'll not go into what interpretation of biblical verses is right and which is wrong; But know this:
when Muslims at the urging of an Islamic cleric descend on and kill someone for blasphemy, you will cry-out "extremism".

The irate muslim may quote verses in their holy books to support their position; but you will not say "it is a standard established in their holy book". You will not say "the mob action is a nice move that will prevent the slain person from becoming a corrupting influence and leading others astray"


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Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by dappa71: 5:30pm On Jul 27
eomajeh:

Of course, you will have a defense for your JW practices. Anyone can quote verses and interpret them however they want to support their position. It comes down to interpretation of text.
I'll not go into what interpretation of biblical verses is right and which is wrong; But know this:
when Muslims at the urging of an Islamic cleric descend on and kill someone for blasphemy, you will cry-out "extremism".The irate muslim may quote verses in their holy books to support their position; but you will not say "it is a standard established in their holy book". You will not say "the mob action is a nice move that will prevent the slain person from becoming a corrupting influence and leading others astray"

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OKAY. First see whether you can erase 1Corinthians 5:11-13 from the Bible and then we can talk, so until then Mr “atheist-Christian” I bid you a good evening.
Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:40pm On Jul 27
eomajeh:
typical example of JW practices tearing up family relationships

Matthew 10:35-36 smiley
Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by eomajeh: 5:40pm On Jul 27
dappa71:
Beer parlor gists and imaginary conspiracies! grin

People make decisions regarding their healthcare everyday.

A person’s healthcare decisions can be influenced by lifestyle, culture, religion or personal ethics—quoted from betterhealth.vic.gov.au website

Eomajeh, people out there are of age to decide what they want for themselves so leave sentiments aside and face the facts. An individual may decide to object to general/complete anesthesia during surgery and opt for a more suitable sedation, or in extreme cases, even include end-of-life procedures in the event of a surgery, i.e. euthanasia which are all binding by a durable power of attorney document. These are decisions people make out there due to their personal reasons. I’m not saying it has anything to do with Jehovah’s Witnesses generally.

Now, when it comes to the Witnesses however, each person chooses to object to blood transfusions in the event of a surgery and this is binding by a durable power of attorney document. So there’s no two ways about it. As a doctor, try and violate the person’s rights and na lawsuit go dey find you.


People have a right to make decisions... so said the woman who locked her 5 yr old step-daughter in a closet for 3 weeks with no food or water just because the little girl wet the bed. She maintained that she had the right to discipline the girl... to help her stop a bad habit

People have a right to make decisions... that can be said of the People's Temple victims who drank that poison at the urging of their pastor. They can say "it is my life, and it is my decision to end it".

But that step-mother will be called wicked, and society will call for the sensible thing of protecting the little girl.
Yes, those People's Temple church victims are remembered as brain-washed fanatics, and society has always called for the protection of the unsuspecting from brain-washing and radicalization of every form.


So yes, just as people have rights
the govt also has the duty of protecting its people, even if it's from themselves
Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:43pm On Jul 27
You don't need typing so much when you come in contact with antagonists, they said they believe God's word (Bible) just give them a scripture and see them crying like Pharisees struggling to refute what is written in God's word! wink

dappa71:

OKAY. First see whether you can erase 1Corinthians 5:11-13 from the Bible nd then we can talk, so until then Mr “atheist-Christian” I bid you a good evening.

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Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by dappa71: 5:51pm On Jul 27
eomajeh:

People have a right to make decisions... so said the woman who locked her 5 yr old step-daughter in a closet for 3 weeks with no food or water just because the little girl wet the bed. She maintained that she had the right to discipline the girl... to help her stop a bad habit
People have a right to make decisions... that can be said of the People's Temple victims who drank that poison at the urging of their pastor. They can say "it is my life, and it is my decision to end it".
But that step-mother will be called wicked, and society will call for the sensible thing of protecting the little girl.
Yes, those People's Temple church victims are remembered as brain-washed fanatics, and society has always called for the protection of the unsuspecting from brain-washing and radicalization of every form.
So yes, just as people have rights
the govt also has the duty of protecting its people, even if it's from themselves

I’ve told you already that your beer parlor conspiracies have no hold on Jehovah‘s Witnesses. Proverbs 14:15

So we are not faithless people unlike many people today, we know if we lose our lives obeying Jehovah’s command, he will favour us with a resurrection in the new world. John 12:25, Acts 24:15
That’s the reason why we stand firmly on Acts 15:29. No leave, no transfer!

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Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by eomajeh: 6:00pm On Jul 27
dappa71:


OKAY. First see whether you can erase 1Corinthians 5:11-13 from the Bible nd then we can talk, so until then Mr “atheist-Christian” I bid you a good evening.


somehow JW think flinging bible verses around make them great. But at the end of the day, those verses you people throw around says nothing except with your "unique interpretation" of them. You just flung 1 cor 5:11-13 at me to explain someone whose family abandon because he/she took a blood transfusion. But in nowhere in those verses is it mentioned that taking a blood transfusion is reason for any action.

At the end of the day, what calls for taking some action against that person who subscribed to a blood transfusion is not the biblical texts you flung out, but the unique JW interpretation of that text (interpretations that entails intricate explanations, complex combinations of text, and even mental gymnastics)

Lastly, what did you think you achieved by throwing the label of" atheist-christian" at me?

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Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by dappa71: 6:08pm On Jul 27
eomajeh:

somehow JW think flinging bible verses around make them great. But at the end of the day, those verses you people throw around says nothing except with your "unique interpretation" of them. You just flung 1 cor 5:11-13 at me to explain someone whose family abandon because he/she took a blood transfusion. But in nowhere in those verses is it mentioned that taking a blood transfusion is reason for any action.
At the end of the day, what calls for taking some action against that person who subscribed to a blood transfusion is not the biblical texts you flung out, but the unique JW i[b]nterpretation[/b] of that text (interpretations that entails intricate explanations, complex combinations of text, and even mental gymnastics)
Lastly, what did you think you achieved by throwing the label of" atheist-christian" at me?

The scriptures says that too much aproko is not good so learn to mind your business, eomajeh. 1Thessalonians 4:11
As long as they are not hurting you in anyway, please face your front.
So unlike others who want to project their viewpoints on others like the annulment of abortion laws and acceptance of LGBTQ in the society(which both go against Bible standards anyway), you’ll not find a single Witness out there protesting or telling the government that blood transfusions should be revoked by law. It is a personal decision each of us took or may take in the future. Acts 15:29
Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by eomajeh: 6:10pm On Jul 27
dappa71:


I’ve told you already that your beer parlor conspiracies have no hold on Jehovah‘s Witnesses. Proverbs 14:15

So we are not faithless people unlike many people today, we know if we lose our lives obeying Jehovah’s command, he will favour us with a resurrection in the new world. John 12:25, Acts 24:15
That’s the reason why we stand firmly on Acts 15:29. No leave, no transfer!


You're very right that It is very brave to be ready to face death for a cause.

That will mean that the about 900 Jonestown victims who died that fateful day should be celebrated as not being faithless. they did what whatever god they reverenced wanted, knowing that the god will bless them later.
The suicide bombers around the world should be celebrated as not being faithless. they are doing what their god wants, knowing that the god will bless them later.

Remain faithful sir/ madam
Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:21pm On Jul 27
eomajeh:

You're very right that It is very brave to be ready to face death for a cause.

That will mean that the about 900 Jonestown victims who died that fateful day should be celebrated as not being faithless. they did what whatever god they reverenced wanted, knowing that the god will bless them later.
The suicide bombers around the world should be celebrated as not being faithless. they are doing what their god wants, knowing that the god will bless them later.

Remain faithful sir/ madam

Of course they are.
Perhaps you don't know that God sees their hearts and knew that they surely died with faith that there's a God that will reward them!

Well know today that without such kind of fearless faith you can never please the true God! Hebrews 11:6

Paul was ready to lay down his life both when he was killing Christians and when he himself became a Christian. How do you think Stephen who prayed for Paul while been killed by Paul {Act 7:57-60} will feel when he finally see the same Paul at Jesus' feet in heaven?

They will both rejoice that they're both of the same sort only misinformation that set them against each other. They were both people of FAITH! 2Thessalonians 3:2 smiley

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Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by dappa71: 6:27pm On Jul 27
eomajeh:



You're very right that It is very brave to be ready to face death for a cause.

That will mean that the about 900 Jonestown victims who died that fateful day should be celebrated as not being faithless. they did what whatever god they reverenced wanted, knowing that the god will bless them later.
The suicide bombers around the world should be celebrated as not being faithless. they are doing what their god wants, knowing that the god will bless them later.


Remain faithful sir/ madam




Eomajeh, people are ready to die for what they believe in and the circumstances may differ. For instance, many people around the globe are nationalistic, they are ready to pick up weapons and fight in a war against another nation and die if need be, all for the so-called glorification of his own nation. This is viewed as honourable by the president and army commanders, after a great number of their soldiers have gone to perish in battle, they begin to honour the dead ones with worthless burial rites and ceremonies.

But EXCUSE ME, it’s when the circumstances differ, your kind begins to call out “extremism”.

So continue waiting for your words in bold to happen amongst Jehovah’s Witnesses until then you’re a peddler of beer parlour stories. Please, I am a “sir”. Thank you and good bye.
Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by eomajeh: 6:28pm On Jul 27
MaxInDHouse:


Of course they are.
Perhaps you don't know that God sees their hearts and knew that they surely died with faith that there's a God that will reward them!

Well know today that without such kind of fearless faith you can never please the true God! Hebrews 11:6

Paul was ready to lay down his life both when he was killing Christians and when he himself became a Christian. How do you think Stephen who prayed for Paul while been killed by Paul {Act 7:57-60} will feel when he finally see the same Paul at Jesus' feet in heaven?

They will both rejoice that they're both of the same sort only misinformation that set them against each other. They were both people of FAITH! 2Thessalonians 3:2 smiley


wow! here's someone who rationalizes suicide bombings!

should you really sink this low to defend your radical position?

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Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:34pm On Jul 27
eomajeh:

wow! here's someone who rationalizes suicide bombings!
should you really sink this low to defend your radical position?

My Guy, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah (Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego) were on suicide mission before faithless people like you that faithful day before the King of Babylon!

So do not underestimate the power of FAITH? Hebrews 11:1 smiley

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Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by eomajeh: 6:41pm On Jul 27
The JWs responding here unashamedly say suicide bombing is no different from their position of laying down their lives instead of taking a blood transfusion.


At least we now understand why the Russian Govt is taking action against the JW.
Just as any sane govt will do all it can to stop a suicide bomber from unleashing its terror on others, in Russia, a govt is simply seeking to protect its citizens, even if it is from themselves.

However, whether the way the govt is going about it is right is another discussion entirely

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Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by dappa71: 6:46pm On Jul 27
eomajeh:
The JWs responding here unashamedly say suicide bombing is no different from their position of laying down their lives instead of taking a blood transfusion.

I’m sure you totally misunderstood the comments being made and now you’re taking it out of context.


At least we now understand why the Russian Govt is taking action against the JW.
Just as any sane govt will do all it can to stop a suicide bomber from unleashing its terror on others, in Russia, a govt is simply seeking to protect its citizens, even if it is from themselves.
However, whether the way the govt is going about it is right is another discussion entirely

Okay nah. Let’s see how far Kremlin will go with his mission. The example our God Jehovah set with their former ally(Germany) is meant to serve as a deterrent to them but they should continue as they are fulfilling Bible prophecy.
Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:47pm On Jul 27
Your cup of coffee!

Peter said the same thing thinking he's about to save Jesus whom Peter thought was saying evil things against himself! Matthew 16:21-22

Do you know Jesus' response to Peter that faithful day?

But turning his back, he said to Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men Matthew 16:23

We are Abraham's offsprings nothing is too costly to sacrifice for our God (including out own lives) Matthew 16:25 smiley




eomajeh:
The JWs responding here unashamedly say suicide bombing is no different from their position of laying down their lives instead of taking a blood transfusion.


At least we now understand why the Russian Govt is taking action against the JW.
Just as any sane govt will do all it can to stop a suicide bomber from unleashing its terror on others, in Russia, a govt is simply seeking to protect its citizens, even if it is from themselves.

However, whether the way the govt is going about it is right is another discussion entirely

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Re: It's Not Mysterious. Understand Why The Russian Govt Is Against D JW by dappa71: 7:23pm On Jul 27
MaxInDHouse:
Your cup of coffee!
Peter said the same thing thinking he's about to save Jesus whom Peter thought was saying evil things against himself! Matthew 16:21-22
Do you know Jesus' response to Peter that faithful day?
But turning his back, he said to Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men Matthew 16:23
We are Abraham's offsprings nothing is too costly to sacrifice for our God (including out own lives) Matthew 16:25 smiley


They often keep uttering “we are the children of Abraham” meanwhile they have no idea what that expression means. John 8:33
Perhaps Abraham was also an “extremist” when he saddled his donkey and took his beloved son which he bore in his old age with the mind to offer him as a burnt offering. lipsrsealed Genesis 22:3-10

Was it not because of the remarkable faith Abraham had in Jehovah that enabled him to attempt such a thing? Did not Abraham reason “that God was able to raise him[Isaac] up even from the dead” if he had gone alone with the plan? Hebrews 11:19

So my brother let’s leave the faithless ones to be, in the end all will see the distinction between the one serving Jehovah and the impostor. Malachi 3:18

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