bobestman:

Are you ok? Go and fight and advice the person who mentioned you here. Had told you I don't know you and never mentioned you in all my comments here. Am not here to argue or fight with people. Just stay away.

Are you okay? If you are okay, you do know you can stay away from me, right, instead of trying to tell me what I should do?

Go on, try to control yourself and stay away from me. Let's see if it works or not. I have faith in you.

Life is a teacher...learn,unlearn and relearn...

@ bobestman

Exactly. Teaching people who are not ready to learn is a waste of time. They will keep failing and returning back to earth untill they finally learn the truth.
But it takes time for some people to get that knowledge. When they are ready, the light will shine.

If only you knew how long it really takes. We are talking about millions of lifetimes here. The spiritual evolution of soul takes time before soul reaches maturity. It is not a days journey.
That is why I generally don't argue about religious matters rather I will show you the spiritual exercises to do to have your own experiences. Experience still remains the greatest teacher. It doesn't matter how long it takes..
Once the student is ready the master appears

@ GofuckYourself

benodic:
By 4 years of age i awakened. It was like a veil was lifted from my eyes and i started remembering my past live.

My saving grace was that i kept my memories to myself as i was surrounded by a christian doctrine that claimed that you live once and after that judgement and after judgement heaven or hell.

I quietly asked questions to verify the memories i had and proved to myself that the memories were authentic.
So i knew something was definitely wrong with the christian doctrine of life after death
So i started searching through other religions to find the one that was compatible with what i know already
That was how i found ECKANKAR, The Path of Spiritual Freedom.
Eckankar taught me how to remember other past lives that i have lived and how i can even visit my loved ones who had translated.
One of my happiest experience in Eckankar was escporting my mother who was even a Pastor to the Astral plane and watching her prepare to reincarnate as my sisters daughter.

I was so happy when my sister told me she had a lucid dream experience where my mother came to her and told her she is coming back to be with her.
My sister though a christian now knows that reincarnation is real.

In Spirituality you don't bother yourself whether someone believes or not. At the point of translation all the scales will clear from your eyes

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Beautiful write up. I have always wondered about you Eckancar members .... People always label you people occultists and I have often wondered why ?

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People tend to fear what they don't understand thereby giving it bad names.
Eckankar is purely a spiritual path without the sharkles of dogma and politics that bedevils a lot of religions today.
ECK stands for the Holy Spirit and ANKAR simply means The Way. Putting it together Eckankar simply means the way of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is the essence of God and the carrier of all truth. Once you are consciously connected to It, the major part of your Spiritual journey begins. and that is the ending of the cycle of coming and going and going back to God to become a Co-Worker with God

I heard you worship a Caucasian man is this true ?

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The Caucasian they are referring to must be Sri Harold Klemp. He is the current Mahanta, The Living ECK Master, our Spiritual guide and leader. We do not worship him as he is soul just like you. The only difference is that he is God-realized and he teaches you to become God -realized too and become a Spiritual Master just like him.
There has been ECK Masters from all races including blacks and Asians. Colour and race doesn't count. What matters is how much awareness of your relationship with God do you have..

The following link takes you to my write up here about the journey of soul from the Eckankar perspective..
It's quite an interesting read for those with an open mind.

https://www.nairaland.com/2889426/journey-soul

benodic:
@ GofuckYourself


The Caucasian they are referring to must be Sri Harold Klemp. He is the current Mahanta, The Living ECK Master, our Spiritual guide and leader. We do not worship him as he is soul just like you. The only difference is that he is God-realized and he teaches you to become God -realized too and become a Spiritual Master just like him.
There has been ECK Masters from all races including blacks and Asians. Colour and race doesn't count. What matters is how much awareness of your relationship with God do you have..

When these whites bamboozle you people into nonsense, they claim "color doesn't count" while simultaneously whitewashing everything they can lay their hands on, just like the alleged 1st century Judean depicted as a white boy. Your scammers made up your so called ECK masters from all "races", but the most offensive one is the white boy Gopal Das.
Imagine a blond haired blued eyed Ancient Egyptian from 3000 B.C.!!!! Falls in line with the white supremacist attempt to whitewash the history of Egypt.

https://www.eckankar.org/explore/spiritual-teachers/

benodic:
@ GofuckYourself

The Caucasian they are referring to must be Sri Harold Klemp. He is the current Mahanta, The Living ECK Master, our Spiritual guide and leader. We do not worship him as he is soul just like you. The only difference is that he is God-realized and he teaches you to become God -realized too and become a Spiritual Master just like him.
There has been ECK Masters from all races including blacks and Asians. Colour and race doesn't count. What matters is how much awareness of your relationship with God do you have..

There are only two ECK masters who actually existed, both white. One is the original fraudster who borrowed Hindu ideas and repackaged it into the ECK nonsense, and the current "God-realized" one. The others are obviously made up nonsense except to the deluded.

Look below and tell me which names I made up:

Raphodon Biampa
Rebazar Tarzs
Fubbi Quantz
Japa Jantis
Rofo Lucian
Gopal Das
Cadmus Hermes
Rami Nuri
Kata Daki
Towart Managi
Kata Kata Lopez
Bump Tious Ignant
Shamus-i-Tabriz
Yaubl Sacabi
Mesu Bin Shaphat
Lai Tsi

https://www.eckankar.org/explore/spiritual-teachers/

Cult founder
Paul Twitchell

Occult practitioner, plagiarist, adulterer
Married: (1) Camille Barlow, (2) Gail Atkinson

Twitchell was a plagiarist and confidence specialist. He claimed he was appointed to his position by the 'vairagi eck masters' a group based in Tibet and founded 6 million years ago by Gakko, on the planet Venus. This group is not known in Tibet.

Twitchell founded Eckankar in 1965. He wrote the early books and study discourses. Their theology and practices were copied or adapted from the theology of the Kirpal Singh Hindu group. Twitchell had been a member of Scientology, claiming to be a personal friend of Ron Hubbard and a 'clear'. He had also been a member of the Kirpal Singh group. He blended Hindu theology and practice with modern organisational and marketing techniques he learned in Scientology.

Cult founder
Paul Twitchell

Occult practitioner, plagiarist, adulterer
Married: (1) Camille Barlow, (2) Gail Atkinson

Twitchell was a plagiarist and confidence specialist. He claimed he was appointed to his position by the 'vairagi eck masters' a group based in Tibet and founded 6 million years ago by Gakko, on the planet Venus. This group is not known in Tibet.


Twitchell founded Eckankar in 1965. He wrote the early books and study discourses. Their theology and practices were copied or adapted from the theology of the Kirpal Singh Hindu group. Twitchell had been a member of Scientology, claiming to be a personal friend of Ron Hubbard and a 'clear'. He had also been a member of the Kirpal Singh group. He blended Hindu theology and practice with modern organisational and marketing techniques he learned in Scientology.

2nd leader:
Darwin Gross

Leader 1971 - 1981
Vibraphonist, powerful leader, serial adulterer
Married (1) Gail Twitchell Atkinson, (2)
Removed from office 1981, expelled 1983.

Darwin Gross, a talented jazz vibraphonist, and much-loved leader, turned Twitchell's scattered group into a substantial international cult with a membership of over 50, 000.

Gross was terminated following scandalous, published allegations of theft of $2.5m cult funds. Lawsuits in Portland, Oregon followed. Gross started his own organisation, ATOM, led by himself as Master. Many members of Eckankar left and joined his organisation, reading his books and studying his discourses. ATOM continued following his death in 2008.

During Twitchell's lifetime, Gross had a long-term sexual relationship with Twitchell’s wife Gail. Gross married Gail following Twitchell's death. Following divorce from Gail, Gross had a series of further marriages and relationships.

Despite these personal problems, Gross was a powerful and effective leader, to whom many members were faithful. Since his termination in 1981, cult membership has declined, with numbers of current annual members believed to be around 30, 000.

It is now reasonably clear that Paul Twitchell, the founder of Eckankar, suffered from mythomania (pathological lying) and megalomania. This condition explains how a novelist turned spiritual leader could claim that his new religion, created in 1965 was the oldest religion in the world and that he was God made flesh on earth…the representative of Sugmad [God] in our midst today. Paul Twitchell's wife and co-founder is reported to have claimed that he made up the whole thing. Perhaps that is why she was paid $500,000 of Eckankar funds for the rights to Paul Twitchell's writings and has had nothing to say or anything to do with this teaching since. Twitchell magically transformed a 1965 for-profit company into a religion and bestowed upon himself the exalted title of Mahanta the Living Eck Master. He even invented an absurd story for how this all happened. According to Twitchell, he received his title and a mystical Rod of Power (another Twitchellian fiction) from a 400-year-old master named Rebazar Tarzs, who supposedly is still living in the flesh, in the Hindu Kush Mountains of Northern Tibet. But this fictionalized master, as well as all the others created by Twitchell, was part of an invented ancient spiritual sect known as the Vairagi Order (a name that he stole from an order in India). These invented masters first appeared in print around 1965 as he substituted their names for those of real spiritual teachers he had included in earlier versions of the same books.

3rd leader:
Harold Klemp

Leader 1981 -

Klemp, a former Lutheran trainee priest, sought to avoid the scandal and controversy surrounding Gross by moving the cult from California to Minnesota. He rebooted it as a semi-Christian church, abandoning the theological lectures of Twitchell and shorter statements of Gross for story-telling in the Christian tradition.

Eckankar ceased to be 'the organisation' as it was under Gross and was restyled as 'a church.' Senior members were 'high initiates' taking some of the roles of a Christian church minister.

Klemp built a central compound in Minnesota, in Chanhassen, calling it 'the temple'. Despite that descriptor, familiar to Sikhism, and despite the Babylonian sculpture on its roof, he called it a 'church.'

Inconsistently with Klemp's rebooting Eckankar as a semi-Christian church, he has talked of leavers who became Christians being pressurised in dreams and soul travel experiences to leave their church and return to the cult.

These changes, designed to move the cult away from its Hindu, New Age origins in the 1960s, did not repair the loss of membership that occurred following the termination of Gross. Overall Eckankar has declined during Klemp's regime. He has kept away from the membership, hiding his residential address, using security to whisk him in and out of rare seminar appearances, unlike Twitchell and Gross who were easy to meet.

benodic:
@ bobestman



If only you knew how long it really takes. We are talking about millions of lifetimes here. The spiritual evolution of soul takes time before soul reaches maturity. It is not a days journey.
That is why I generally don't argue about religious matters rather I will show you the spiritual exercises to do to have your own experiences. Experience still remains the greatest teacher. It doesn't matter how long it takes..
Once the student is ready the master appears

You are right. Experience is the key. That's what I call knowledge. Having knowledge of something is far better than to just believe like sheepish Churchians.

benodic:
@ GofuckYourself

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People tend to fear what they don't understand thereby giving it bad names.
Eckankar is purely a spiritual path without the sharkles of dogma and politics that bedevils a lot of religions today.
ECK stands for the Holy Spirit and ANKAR simply means The Way. Putting it together Eckankar simply means the way of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is the essence of God and the carrier of all truth. Once you are consciously connected to It, the major part of your Spiritual journey begins. and that is the ending of the cycle of coming and going and going back to God to become a Co-Worker with God

.

The Caucasian they are referring to must be Sri Harold Klemp. He is the current Mahanta, The Living ECK Master, our Spiritual guide and leader. We do not worship him as he is soul just like you. The only difference is that he is God-realized and he teaches you to become God -realized too and become a Spiritual Master just like him.
There has been ECK Masters from all races including blacks and Asians. Colour and race doesn't count. What matters is how much awareness of your relationship with God do you have..

Thanks for the clarification

bobestman:

With all I said here and some other threads with similar topic, you still don't understand where I stand? I owe you no answer man.

I am trying to understand you clearly. I always avoid assumptions at all costs

KnownUnknown:


There are only two ECK masters who actually existed, both white. One the original fraudster who borrowed Hindu ideas and repackaged it into the ECK nonsense, and the current "God-realized" one. The others are obviously made up nonsense except to the deluded.

Hmmmm

Interesting perspective

KnownUnknown:
Cult founder
Paul Twitchell

Occult practitioner, plagiarist, adulterer
Married: (1) Camille Barlow, (2) Gail Atkinson

Twitchell was a plagiarist and confidence specialist. He claimed he was appointed to his position by the 'vairagi eck masters' a group based in Tibet and founded 6 million years ago by Gakko, on the planet Venus. This group is not known in Tibet.

Twitchell founded Eckankar in 1965. He wrote the early books and study discourses. Their theology and practices were copied or adapted from the theology of the Kirpal Singh Hindu group. Twitchell had been a member of Scientology, claiming to be a personal friend of Ron Hubbard and a 'clear'. He had also been a member of the Kirpal Singh group. He blended Hindu theology and practice with modern organisational and marketing techniques he learned in Scientology.

Interesting

KnownUnknown:
It is now reasonably clear that Paul Twitchell, the founder of Eckankar, suffered from mythomania (pathological lying) and megalomania. This condition explains how a novelist turned spiritual leader could claim that his new religion, created in 1965 was the oldest religion in the world and that he was God made flesh on earth…the representative of Sugmad [God] in our midst today. Paul Twitchell's wife and co-founder is reported to have claimed that he made up the whole thing. Perhaps that is why she was paid $500,000 of Eckankar funds for the rights to Paul Twitchell's writings and has had nothing to say or anything to do with this teaching since. Twitchell magically transformed a 1965 for-profit company into a religion and bestowed upon himself the exalted title of Mahanta the Living Eck Master. He even invented an absurd story for how this all happened. According to Twitchell, he received his title and a mystical Rod of Power (another Twitchellian fiction) from a 400-year-old master named Rebazar Tarzs, who supposedly is still living in the flesh, in the Hindu Kush Mountains of Northern Tibet. But this fictionalized master, as well as all the others created by Twitchell, was part of an invented ancient spiritual sect known as the Vairagi Order (a name that he stole from an order in India). These invented masters first appeared in print around 1965 as he substituted their names for those of real spiritual teachers he had included in earlier versions of the same books.

3rd leader:
Harold Klemp

Leader 1981 -

Klemp, a former Lutheran trainee priest, sought to avoid the scandal and controversy surrounding Gross by moving the cult from California to Minnesota. He rebooted it as a semi-Christian church, abandoning the theological lectures of Twitchell and shorter statements of Gross for story-telling in the Christian tradition.

Eckankar ceased to be 'the organisation' as it was under Gross and was restyled as 'a church.' Senior members were 'high initiates' taking some of the roles of a Christian church minister.

Klemp built a central compound in Minnesota, in Chanhassen, calling it 'the temple'. Despite that descriptor, familiar to Sikhism, and despite the Babylonian sculpture on its roof, he called it a 'church.'

Inconsistently with Klemp's rebooting Eckankar as a semi-Christian church, he has talked of leavers who became Christians being pressurised in dreams and soul travel experiences to leave their church and return to the cult.

These changes, designed to move the cult away from its Hindu, New Age origins in the 1960s, did not repair the loss of membership that occurred following the termination of Gross. Overall Eckankar has declined during Klemp's regime. He has kept away from the membership, hiding his residential address, using security to whisk him in and out of rare seminar appearances, unlike Twitchell and Gross who were easy to meet.

Oh my

just finished watching the film infinite.
They really did well in bringing out some points on reincarnation. It's a good watch for anyone interested in learning about reincarnation.
Films like this are usually inspired by the Spiritual Masters to help in waking up a lot of sleeping souls.
I could relate with the Antagonist in the film.
Many of us who have reincarnated for millions of lifetimes get tired of this endless circle of birth and rebirth and starts seeking for a way out.
.i woke up in this present life tired of all the things the lower worlds had to offer. I just wanted to go back home. I remembered glimpses of it. There are no words in human vocabulary to describe it.
I had no interest in amassing material wealth, no interest in the power plays that bedevils this region. All I was interested in were spiritual matters.

GofuckYourself:


I am trying to understand you clearly. I always avoid assumptions at all costs

Ok

benodic:
just finished watching the film infinite.
They really did well in bringing out some points on reincarnation. It's a good watch for anyone interested in learning about reincarnation.
Films like this are usually inspired by the Spiritual Masters to help in waking up a lot of sleeping souls.
I could relate with the Antagonist in the film.
Many of us who have reincarnated for millions of lifetimes get tired of this endless circle of birth and rebirth and starts seeking for a way out.
.i woke up in this present life tired of all the things the lower worlds had to offer. I just wanted to go back home. I remembered glimpses of it. There are no words in human vocabulary to describe it.
I had no interest in amassing material wealth, no interest in the power plays that bedevils this region. All I was interested in were spiritual matters.

On the contrary infinite presents reincarnation in such an elementary and poetic way. Reincarnation isn't a reward or a choice it is a penalty. Here isn't were we go when we have matured spiritually, we go to higher realms not the earth. We only come back here when we have deeds to redeem for, or when we still carry within our spirit base traits that won't allow.us rise to higher realms . Here is actually like a summer camp where you come to learn how to over come your weaknesses plus understand your purpose in creation.

Cc bobestman knownunknown

Kobojunkie:
Did you conveniently leave out the part about how Elisha became a candidate for reincarnation in the Bible?

How many other persons, even in the Bible, where lifted off the face of the earth, without dying, in similar manner for reincarnation to considered a Bible norm in the way that you suggest?

You claim a lot of things were "removed" from the Bible, and I wonder what you mean by that? Are usually referring to many of the same books which are openly available for you to read even to this day?

Elijah actually came back.


John the Baptist is Elijah.


It is in the Bible.

chariisGRACE:
■ Elijah actually came back.John the Baptist is Elijah. It is in the Bible.

oops...wrong thread!

Elijah was of God's Old Law. So also was John the Baptist. That which applies in the Old Law does not necessarily apply as far as the New Covenant, Jesus Christ.