Sirjamo:
Governor Samuel Ortom of Benue state has recently been in the news for one reason, speaking what he called "truth to power," on the security situation in his state and other parts of the country. To be fair to the governor, no state executive would sit down while his people are being killed almost every other month without doing anything to remedy the situation, but, is the governor going about it the right way?



The reason why the Fulani ethnic groups are hell-bent on setting the state on fire, according to the governor is to displace the natives and take over their lands, and the President is inn on the plan, hence he has refused to be ruthless with them.



If these opinions are that of governor Ortom alone,it wouldn't have bother me this much; many Nigerians have spoken out in support of all the governor is saying on both the social and conventional media. Mr Ortom is somewhat of a hero right now, going from one media house to another, laying all sorts of allegations. The governor is basking in the euphoria of his immunity, I do not think anyone without immunity would have been so bold enough.



Before I would believe anything, I always try to go deep about it and understand the logic. If a theory or proposition does not make sense to me, after careful evaluation and references to similar phenomenon in the past and even present, I quickly discard it and move forward. That policy has never failed me.



As they say, no man is an Island. Since Nairaland is a Forum where I can have the pleasure of diverse opinions, I decided to bring the issues for discussion, by raising few salient questions with the hope that the governor gets to see this thread, and his supporters here too can tell us why they think he is making sense with his utterances.



Here goes the questions:



1. Benue state has a history of violence spanning many years, including the Jonathan years, was Jonathan in on the alleged Fulanization agenda?



2. We all know that Fulani constitute the most part of the bandits terrorizing states like Katsina, Zamfara, Niger, Kebbi.... Does the Fulanization agenda includes killing thousands of Fulani?



3. Why is it that, when bandits strike in Zamfara, it's banditry, but when the same bandits strike in Benue, it's Fulanization/Islamization agenda?



4. If Fulanization is real, it means that, for the agenda to succeed, other ethnic groups will have to be exterminated or forced out of Nigeria. Yoruba, Igbo and other ethnic groups whose combine population is more than one hundred million people would have to be conquered, how is that even possible?


5. President Buhari administration has been in power for six years and three months, if it came with an agenda and it has not been able to succeed after all these time, does it make sense that the agenda will continue with just 21 months to go? Reality must have set in that this was a futile attempt.



6. Finally, where in the world has it happened in recent memory, that an ethnic group over - run a whole nation and takes it over by way of conquest? Is governor Ortom and his supporters not stuck in the 13th Century?



Note: This is not by anyway, trying to exonerate the government from it failure to secure the country, the bulk stops at the President's table and he swore to protect lives and properties of the citizens.

The difference between us is, I believe the government does not have the capacity to secure the Country (I will do a thread on that when I can), while the likes of governor Ortom believe that the government is behind insecurity.

Metallurgist:
The two idi0ts above me, minus the space Booker have shown how shallow our youth can be, the op present his augment, which you could counter with facts, not idiotic phrases mctsss

rottennaija:


You have not address any of his questions.



What you doing is a straw man's attack. You have not address any of his questions.

tempest01:
Very foolish questions by a foolish individual.


What has the present FG done to checkmate Fulani terrorists killing all over the country?

We saw the will power to checkmate ESN. What did ESN do that Fulani killers hasn't done X 100 and with more increased boldness in this

present administration with Fulani cabal members and their servants deciding governance with a Fulani mannequin as figure head?

Tell us what action has been taken to checkmate them.

Even if there is no Fulanization agenda as you are trying to push, there are killings and communal displacements going on by Fulanis on a large

scale with tacit support of those that found their way to power. That is an agenda. Let those that speak against it speak the way they can.

They are the ones getting killed.

When there was no talk of resources in Zamfara, your acclaimed bandits did not strike. The agenda is clear. Kill, displace and take over fertile

land and resources by the foot soldiers. The elites infiltrate government, flout the constitution and act for tribal benefits. Use the military

and forces to push the agenda. Replace all key government positions with Fulanis who are waiting and ready to use the office to do their part

in promoting the agenda. Implement things like RUGA and reserves so that the foot soldiers who have not been disarmed, arrested, and tried

will be spread nationwide to continue the carnage. Deliberately ignore the atrocities of the Fulani killers while they continue spreading death

and destruction.


And your only problem is if the agenda is a hoax or not when it is currently in play and happening nationwide.

Flyingngel:
This present administration has given so much air to whatever Ortom has to say.
Example is the Meyitti Allah spokesperson who comes out on daily basis to talk tough upto a point of saying that Benue will not have peace except they give right of way to the headers and Buhari with his DSS has never seem it fit to send for him. Even the latest one that , they will arrest Ortom immediately he leaves office : now I ask, who make them police or court of law? Have you heard Buhari and his people say a word about that?

Kanu and Igboho mobilises their people for separation, immediately DSS went as far as BENIN to arrest Igboho.
Malaria and countless others will go on air to talk abt the inept rule of Buhari's government, the next day ,DSS will invite them.
A Fulani will go on air and threatened another tribe, DSS will turn a blind eye.

So you see that it is BUHARI and his cohorts who gives validation to all the accusations of Ortom.
Remember OPC came out during OBJ regime causing problems here and there, OBJ dealt with them in the language they understand ; now show me one Meyitti Allah person who threatened another ethnic group that has been invited to the DSS let alone being arrested.

Ovamboland:


All you are saying are insinuations from an age long problem intertwined with loss of political power by one set of politicians to another.

There's no evidence at all at your disposal to indicate the strategy or plan. How can you want to stop a Fulani agenda by presenting another Fulani in Atiku? Or eulogizing Yaradua? Are those ones not in the know that their tribe has an agenda? Are all the Fulani who find themselves in PDP, Tambuwal, Saraki, Taminu, Lamido always unaware, and only the ones in APC Buhari, Elrufai etc the only ones aware of this agenda?

This is just to let you know politics is just trying to mine advantages from your emotional reaction to an age long problem that only needs evolution of a modern state to address. It's not about religion or ethnicity per se but crude politics.

And I don't blame PDP, failure to win presidency in 2023 is as sure as the end of the party, hence they will use every means available to get back

joyandfaith:
Obasanjo, commodores olawunmi, danjuma, soyinka, also alleged fulanization agenda. I will believe those men than any e-miscreant. Why?

Fulanization agenda is historical. Fulani jihadists took over many parts of the north including ilorin and disposed all kings and crowded their kinsmen as emirs despite many of Indigenes of conquered lands as well as their rulers embraced islam.
Why couldn't Fulani jihadists appoint converts among Indigenes/princes as emirs?

Islamic jihad had one motive-fulanization. Jihad is still on. Fulanis would not stop until they expand their enclaves in host communities and declare emirates.

tempest01:


Who is doing APC VS PDP with you?

What has the present FG done to checkmate the killer herdsmen and bandits like what was done with ESN?

Ofodirinwa:
These questions are very stupid

Ovamboland:


Troops have been deployed in various parts of NW to confront the bandits, NLTP program has been started to isolate genuine herdsmen from killers and kidnappers. One of such is the funding of ranch in Katisina to stop nomadic herding that Ortom said must be given to him. Same person who said he's not interested in NLTP.

Many troops have lost their lives defending the people of NW. Yet to you nothing has been done. A jet was shot down recently by bandits from which the pilot escaped, yet this means nothing, the pilot was just kidding.

You might not be doing PDP and APC but that's exactly what the people playing the game are aiming for. They need the bandits and your own expected reaction to each attack to complete the movie. You need not know or understand the end game.

Ofodirinwa:
These questions are very stupid

daomi:
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Sirjamo:
Governor Samuel Ortom of Benue state has recently been in the news for one reason, speaking what he called "truth to power," on the security situation in his state and other parts of the country. To be fair to the governor, no state executive would sit down while his people are being killed almost every other month without doing anything to remedy the situation, but, is the governor going about it the right way?



The reason why the Fulani ethnic groups are hell-bent on setting the state on fire, according to the governor is to displace the natives and take over their lands, and the President is inn on the plan, hence he has refused to be ruthless with them.



If these opinions are that of governor Ortom alone,it wouldn't have bother me this much; many Nigerians have spoken out in support of all the governor is saying on both the social and conventional media. Mr Ortom is somewhat of a hero right now, going from one media house to another, laying all sorts of allegations. The governor is basking in the euphoria of his immunity, I do not think anyone without immunity would have been so bold enough.



Before I would believe anything, I always try to go deep about it and understand the logic. If a theory or proposition does not make sense to me, after careful evaluation and references to similar phenomenon in the past and even present, I quickly discard it and move forward. That policy has never failed me.



As they say, no man is an Island. Since Nairaland is a Forum where I can have the pleasure of diverse opinions, I decided to bring the issues for discussion, by raising few salient questions with the hope that the governor gets to see this thread, and his supporters here too can tell us why they think he is making sense with his utterances.



Here goes the questions:



1. Benue state has a history of violence spanning many years, including the Jonathan years, was Jonathan in on the alleged Fulanization agenda?



2. We all know that Fulani constitute the most part of the bandits terrorizing states like Katsina, Zamfara, Niger, Kebbi.... Does the Fulanization agenda includes killing thousands of Fulani?



3. Why is it that, when bandits strike in Zamfara, it's banditry, but when the same bandits strike in Benue, it's Fulanization/Islamization agenda?



4. If Fulanization is real, it means that, for the agenda to succeed, other ethnic groups will have to be exterminated or forced out of Nigeria. Yoruba, Igbo and other ethnic groups whose combine population is more than one hundred million people would have to be conquered, how is that even possible?


5. President Buhari administration has been in power for six years and three months, if it came with an agenda and it has not been able to succeed after all these time, does it make sense that the agenda will continue with just 21 months to go? Reality must have set in that this was a futile attempt.



6. Finally, where in the world has it happened in recent memory, that an ethnic group over - run a whole nation and takes it over by way of conquest? Is governor Ortom and his supporters not stuck in the 13th Century?



Note: This is not by anyway, trying to exonerate the government from it failure to secure the country, the bulk stops at the President's table and he swore to protect lives and properties of the citizens.

The difference between us is, I believe the government does not have the capacity to secure the Country (I will do a thread on that when I can), while the likes of governor Ortom believe that the government is behind insecurity.

uBuNiT:
Op you sound stup!d. That is how your likes criticise every steps suggesting sit-don-look

Sirjamo:



Here goes the questions:



1. Benue state has a history of violence spanning many years, including the Jonathan years, was Jonathan in on the alleged Fulanization agenda?

Violence hhave been happening even before GEJ but all past president have never given tacit support, even if they support it in the closet, its always rejected and rebuked on the high scale with followed actions...the violence benue is witnessing have been on a grand scale since the coming of buhari, and if you have contrary opinion please bring it.. why has it increades during buhari?? that should be the question and the answer is simple, Buhari have always demostrated from time that he is always for fulani and sharia domination with evidence abound everywhere from what he did in oyo state during lam adesina time to the conference he attended in kaduna on sharia


2. We all know that Fulani constitute the most part of the bandits terrorizing states like Katsina, Zamfara, Niger, Kebbi.... Does the Fulanization agenda includes killing thousands of Fulani?
have you ever herd of something called colleteral damage.. most of those killed in those place might not be fully fulani or they dont buy their agenda, also once in a while in an agenda driven violence, the innocent among them become a tool to send strong messages (evidence is everywhere in history)



3. Why is it that, when bandits strike in Zamfara, it's banditry, but when the same bandits strike in Benue, it's Fulanization/Islamization agenda?

most of those attacked in zamfara are not fulani, pls prove this and we can go from there, also the war in zamfara is resource driven, some group of fulani want to take over the resource of some identified land



4. If Fulanization is real, it means that, for the agenda to succeed, other ethnic groups will have to be exterminated or forced out of Nigeria. Yoruba, Igbo and other ethnic groups whose combine population is more than one hundred million people would have to be conquered, how is that even possible?

it is a project with clear terms and timeline..the war have been waged for years and its continuing.. its no secret that the agenda of fulani is to dip koran in the sea and this have been seen with systemic take over of jos north, part of kaduna south where they now crown an emir instead of their normal tribal king..the agenda and fulanization is systemic and they are prepared to wait another 200yrs to achieve this with pocket of taking over once in a while


5. President Buhari administration has been in power for six years and three months, if it came with an agenda and it has not been able to succeed after all these time, does it make sense that the agenda will continue with just 21 months to go? Reality must have set in that this was a futile attempt.

again its not about the short time but longterm planning with milestone at every point...



6. Finally, where in the world has it happened in recent memory, that an ethnic group over - run a whole nation and takes it over by way of conquest? Is governor Ortom and his supporters not stuck in the 13th Century?

it is a slow and steady game and the fulani is winning and its high time other ethnic wake up and smell the coffin



Note: This is not by anyway, trying to exonerate the government from it failure to secure the country, the bulk stops at the President's table and he swore to protect lives and properties of the citizens.

The difference between us is, I believe the government does not have the capacity to secure the Country (I will do a thread on that when I can), while the likes of governor Ortom believe that the government is behind insecurity.

We all know that Fulani constitute the most part of the bandits terrorizing states like Katsina, Zamfara, Niger, Kebbi.... Does the Fulanization agenda includes killing thousands of Fulani?

Sirjamo:
Governor Samuel Ortom of Benue state has recently been in the news for one reason, speaking what he called "truth to power," on the security situation in his state and other parts of the country. To be fair to the governor, no state executive would sit down while his people are being killed almost every other month without doing anything to remedy the situation, but, is the governor going about it the right way?



The reason why the Fulani ethnic groups are hell-bent on setting the state on fire, according to the governor is to displace the natives and take over their lands, and the President is inn on the plan, hence he has refused to be ruthless with them.



If these opinions are that of governor Ortom alone,it wouldn't have bother me this much; many Nigerians have spoken out in support of all the governor is saying on both the social and conventional media. Mr Ortom is somewhat of a hero right now, going from one media house to another, laying all sorts of allegations. The governor is basking in the euphoria of his immunity, I do not think anyone without immunity would have been so bold enough.



Before I would believe anything, I always try to go deep about it and understand the logic. If a theory or proposition does not make sense to me, after careful evaluation and references to similar phenomenon in the past and even present, I quickly discard it and move forward. That policy has never failed me.



As they say, no man is an Island. Since Nairaland is a Forum where I can have the pleasure of diverse opinions, I decided to bring the issues for discussion, by raising few salient questions with the hope that the governor gets to see this thread, and his supporters here too can tell us why they think he is making sense with his utterances.



Here goes the questions:



1. Benue state has a history of violence spanning many years, including the Jonathan years, was Jonathan in on the alleged Fulanization agenda?



2. We all know that Fulani constitute the most part of the bandits terrorizing states like Katsina, Zamfara, Niger, Kebbi.... Does the Fulanization agenda includes killing thousands of Fulani?



3. Why is it that, when bandits strike in Zamfara, it's banditry, but when the same bandits strike in Benue, it's Fulanization/Islamization agenda?



4. If Fulanization is real, it means that, for the agenda to succeed, other ethnic groups will have to be exterminated or forced out of Nigeria. Yoruba, Igbo and other ethnic groups whose combine population is more than one hundred million people would have to be conquered, how is that even possible?


5. President Buhari administration has been in power for six years and three months, if it came with an agenda and it has not been able to succeed after all these time, does it make sense that the agenda will continue with just 21 months to go? Reality must have set in that this was a futile attempt.



6. Finally, where in the world has it happened in recent memory, that an ethnic group over - run a whole nation and takes it over by way of conquest? Is governor Ortom and his supporters not stuck in the 13th Century?



Note: This is not by anyway, trying to exonerate the government from it failure to secure the country, the bulk stops at the President's table and he swore to protect lives and properties of the citizens.

The difference between us is, I believe the government does not have the capacity to secure the Country (I will do a thread on that when I can), while the likes of governor Ortom believe that the government is behind insecurity.

Metallurgist:
The two idi0ts above me, minus the space Booker have shown how shallow our youth can be, the op present his augment, which you could counter with facts, not idiotic phrases mctsss

Sirjamo:
[s]Governor Samuel Ortom of Benue state has recently been in the news for one reason, speaking what he called "truth to power," on the security situation in his state and other parts of the country. To be fair to the governor, no state executive would sit down while his people are being killed almost every other month without doing anything to remedy the situation, but, is the governor going about it the right way?



The reason why the Fulani ethnic groups are hell-bent on setting the state on fire, according to the governor is to displace the natives and take over their lands, and the President is inn on the plan, hence he has refused to be ruthless with them.



If these opinions are that of governor Ortom alone,it wouldn't have bother me this much; many Nigerians have spoken out in support of all the governor is saying on both the social and conventional media. Mr Ortom is somewhat of a hero right now, going from one media house to another, laying all sorts of allegations. The governor is basking in the euphoria of his immunity, I do not think anyone without immunity would have been so bold enough.



Before I would believe anything, I always try to go deep about it and understand the logic. If a theory or proposition does not make sense to me, after careful evaluation and references to similar phenomenon in the past and even present, I quickly discard it and move forward. That policy has never failed me.



As they say, no man is an Island. Since Nairaland is a Forum where I can have the pleasure of diverse opinions, I decided to bring the issues for discussion, by raising few salient questions with the hope that the governor gets to see this thread, and his supporters here too can tell us why they think he is making sense with his utterances.



Here goes the questions:



1. Benue state has a history of violence spanning many years, including the Jonathan years, was Jonathan in on the alleged Fulanization agenda?



2. We all know that Fulani constitute the most part of the bandits terrorizing states like Katsina, Zamfara, Niger, Kebbi.... Does the Fulanization agenda includes killing thousands of Fulani?



3. Why is it that, when bandits strike in Zamfara, it's banditry, but when the same bandits strike in Benue, it's Fulanization/Islamization agenda?



4. If Fulanization is real, it means that, for the agenda to succeed, other ethnic groups will have to be exterminated or forced out of Nigeria. Yoruba, Igbo and other ethnic groups whose combine population is more than one hundred million people would have to be conquered, how is that even possible?


5. President Buhari administration has been in power for six years and three months, if it came with an agenda and it has not been able to succeed after all these time, does it make sense that the agenda will continue with just 21 months to go? Reality must have set in that this was a futile attempt.



6. Finally, where in the world has it happened in recent memory, that an ethnic group over - run a whole nation and takes it over by way of conquest? Is governor Ortom and his supporters not stuck in the 13th Century?



Note: This is not by anyway, trying to exonerate the government from it failure to secure the country, the bulk stops at the President's table and he swore to protect lives and properties of the citizens.

The difference between us is, I believe the government does not have the capacity to secure the Country (I will do a thread on that when I can), while the likes of governor Ortom believe that the government is behind insecurity.



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