The classical explanation of the phenomenon of 'sin' is that God gave us 'free will' to choose between good and evil, but man has chosen to exercise that freewill wrongly. I am just curious whether people who end up in heaven will still be able to exercise freewill, or will they all be robots forever? If people in heaven are going to be robots forever, it doesnt look like an interesting place to me. If there is freewill, that means it will still be possible to make wrong decisions in heaven Can you then 'sin' in heaven? The more you look at this heaven idea, the more ridiculous it looks!!

Remember the words of Jesus: "thy will be done as it is in heaven" in heaven there is still free will because fallen angels where all living in heaven but by an act of free will they decided to become rebels. Since heaven is a place where God's will is done then sin cannot reside in heaven because God cannot behold sin. That is why sinners will not go to heaven, just like the fallen angels who cannot live in heaven, every man has sinned and fallen through Adam's mistake in eden. Satan the fallen angel that influenced Adam's fall will not be in heaven to tempt anyone. To correct the fall of man Christ died on the cross so that every man who by free will believes in Christ should be saved. Once you are saved you can now live in heaven because the fall is corrected. God has taken a further step to give everyman who is qualified to live in heaven His own kind of life, this a life that cannot sin it is called Zoe. Adam didnt have Zoe and up till now no angel has Zoe, i can boldly tell you that every human who is qualified to live in heaven will not be able to sin because Zoe the sinless life of almighty God will be given to them. Believers in Christ are partakers of the divine nature by the Holyspirit who lives in them.

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Zoe? Christianity is evolving right before our eyes!!!!!

LWKMD. . . . . . . . .

Zoe. Subhannallah. This is funny, in a hahshaha Zoe way.

There'll be no devil in Heaven or temptation to sin. Plus Heaven's future is already written down by the omniscient God.

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There'll be no devil in Heaven or temptation to sin. Plus Heaven's future is already written down by the omniscient God.

Which shows that as usual, God has failed to do his work perfectly. In the original heaven, the devil himself was there and had to be thrown out with lots of angels. God has decided to set himself up for another failure by placing deathrow inmates in his heaven.

Wow, just saw this thread again. The will of God is done in Heaven, not any other will. The will of God is what we need, the will of God is good for us. There's no temptation to sin in Heaven.

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Wow, just saw this thread again. The will of God is done in Heaven, not any other will. The will of God is what we need, the will of God is good for us. There's no temptation to sin in Heaven.

But the devil sinned in Heaven. How was he able to do this without temptation?

thehomer:

But the devil sinned in Heaven. How was he able to do this without temptation?

The mythology just doesnt make any sense. . . . .

thehomer:

But the devil sinned in Heaven. How was he able to do this without temptation?

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The mythology just doesnt make any sense. . . . .

Yes which is why I really wonder just how fabulous this Heaven will actually be.

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thehomer:

But the devil sinned in Heaven. How was he able to do this without temptation?

mazaje:

The mythology just doesnt make any sense. . . . .

Sorry, i don't recall any of these in scriptures, are you trying to make trouble here like enigma posited?

OP is looking for assurance that there will be no sinning

- The shred of evidence that there will not be sin or sinning in the new Heaven and Earth

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Sorry, i don't recall any of these in scriptures, are you trying to make trouble here like enigma posited?

My advice to you would be that you look into your scriptures. Check out Revelations 12 and the stories of the Nephilim who were children of fallen angels. I think you should ignore enigma because he will not contribute anything useful to this conversation.

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thehomer:

My advice to you would be that you look into your scriptures. Check out Revelations 12 and the stories of the Nephilim who were children of fallen angels. I think you should ignore enigma because he will not contribute anything useful to this conversation.

I checked Revelation 12. There's nothing there about the devil sinning in Heaven. Seems you were just looking for trouble like enigma said. Can you post that specific verse?

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I checked Revelation 12. There's nothing there about the devil sinning in Heaven. Seems you were just looking for trouble like enigma said. Can you post that specific verse?

The devil disobeyed Yahweh in heaven and was sent packing according to the story, no?. . . .Is disobedience to God not considered a sin according to the christain hypothesis?

mazaje:

The devil disobeyed Yahweh in heaven and was sent packing according to the story, no?. . . .Is disobedience to God not considered a sin according to the christain hypothesis?

Do not waste time any further. Provide the specific scriptures that state this.

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I checked Revelation 12. There's nothing there about the devil sinning in Heaven. Seems you were just looking for trouble like enigma said. Can you post that specific verse?

Really? Read Revelation 12:7,8 and 9. In fact, I'll simply post them below.

NIV Revelation 12:7 - 9:

7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven.
9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

As you can see, the devil was cast out of heaven do you think he did something wrong and was cast out? Also, who were the nephilim?

I know you're looking for any excuse to run from this difficult discussion but I think you would need to find a good one.

freewill theories are all religions mind control tools. Take note

Well . . .? So, after I get to Heaven am I going to be forever singing "Halleluyah" or do I have a choice to sleep all day? Will that constitute rebellion? What will the punishment be then? Will there be punishment? Or I simply cannot do otherwise and forced to sing "Halleluyah" all day? In any case, the contradiction between "Free Will" and the "Omni-potent God" is already problematic enough. "Free Will" or lack of it in Heaven only further complicates the matter.

thehomer:

Really? Read Revelation 12:7,8 and 9. In fact, I'll simply post them below.

As you can see, the devil was cast out of heaven do you think he did something wrong and was cast out? Also, who were the nephilim?

I know you're looking for any excuse to run from this difficult discussion but I think you would need to find a good one.

Good boy, you posted a specific scripture. Unfortunately, i have to help you by saying that passage or any other does not say that the devil sinned IN Heaven. (as an aside, that scripture's future not past like you assume, but you can't understand so let's deal with what you've got). You're talking about the possibilities of man sinning when he gets to Heaven since, according to you, the devil sinned in Heaven.
I should be asking you about nephilims, you're the one coming up with them, abi you be one,lol?

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Good boy, you posted a specific scripture. Unfortunately, i have to help you by saying that passage or any other does not say that the devil sinned IN Heaven. (as an aside, that scripture's future not past like you assume, but you can't understand so let's deal with what you've got). You're talking about the possibilities of man sinning when he gets to Heaven since, according to you, the devil sinned in Heaven.

Are you serious? Ha ha 

This is why you should read the entire chapter. That part shows why Jesus was supposed to come to the earth. Am I also supposed to explain your own Bible to you? Please consult Sunday school teachers for what that passage means.
If that is the future, then the devil isn't on earth right now so where is he? In heaven? Or wait where do you think the devil was before he was sent to the earth with the other demons? Wow.
I really hope other Christians reading this take the time to comment on your fresh and brand new interpretation of the Bible.

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I should be asking you about nephilims, you're the one coming up with them, abi you be one,lol?

Maybe you should read up on them in your Bible and find out where they came from and what they were doing before Noah's flood. If you're this ignorant of your Bible, then maybe you're not the best person to try such poor defenses of it.

The devil didn't sin in Heaven. That's a new interpretation from another Christian.

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Do not waste time any further. Provide the specific scriptures that state this.

Thehomer has already provided the verse. . .

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Good boy, you posted a specific scripture. Unfortunately, i have to help you by saying that passage or any other does not say that the devil sinned IN Heaven. (as an aside, that scripture's future not past like you assume, but you can't understand so let's deal with what you've got). You're talking about the possibilities of man sinning when he gets to Heaven since, according to you, the devil sinned in Heaven.
I should be asking you about nephilims, you're the one coming up with them, abi you be one,lol?

So in the future satan and his demons will lose their place in heaven, eh? Because according to the bible it says they lost their place in heaven, if that is a future event as you claim where then is satan according to christian theology?. . .Why was he sent out of heaven according to the biblical story?. . .Or is satan still in heaven waiting for you future event to happen?. . . .

thehomer:


The devil didn't sin in Heaven. That's a new interpretation from another Christian.

Keep making things up along the way is the name of the game, no wonder they can never agree on anything themselves despite all claiming to be inspired by some elusive holy spirit. . . .

^You both disappoint me. You're no different from the majority of christians that you usually accuse and disdain of living on what other men(their churches and pastors) have fed them from their youth. If you like, don't only read the entire chapter(Revelation 12), read the entire book. Nothing there says that satan sinned IN Heaven. Your assumptions are doing you bad.
BTW, i see you're having a nice time with the asides that was included(on 'future'). i'm not going to talk more on that. The point is that no scriptures say that satan or anyone ever SINNED IN Heaven. Do you even know satan's sin?
Thehomer, what are nephilims o, our bible teacher?

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^You both disappoint me. You're no different from the majority of christians that you usually accuse and disdain of living on what other men(their churches and pastors) have fed them from their youth. If you like, don't only read the entire chapter(Revelation 12), read the entire book. Nothing there says that satan sinned IN Heaven. Your assumptions are doing you bad.
BTW, i see you're having a nice time with the asides that was included(on 'future'). i'm not going to talk more on that. The point is that no scriptures say that satan or anyone ever SINNED IN Heaven. Do you even know satan's sin?
Thehomer, what are nephilims o, our bible teacher?

Why was satan sent packing from heaven according to the story?. . . .