28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Matthew 16:28 NIV

Ayo081:
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In the verse below, it is obvious that Christ was addressing his disciples.

Please explain what the verse means and it's application today.



Kobojunkie, Dtruthspeaker, PastorM

sylve11:


Those who aren't Christians should stay off and yet you went ahead to quote Kobojunkie.
Hehehe

Ayo081:
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In the verse below, it is obvious that Christ was addressing his disciples.

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Kobojunkie, Dtruthspeaker, PastorM

sylve11:


Those who aren't Christians should stay off and yet you went ahead to quote Kobojunkie.
Hehehe

Kobojunkie:
I decided to take Him at His Word and I began obeying them, I began noticing His presence. Eventually, He stated speaking to me and the rest is history.

Obedience is the key , just as Jesus Christ proclaimed over and over.

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Dtruthspeaker:


Truthfully, I do not know!

I just took the part that is my duty which is in verse 24 "deny myself and follow after Him"

The one about"not tasting death" is not in my hand so I go on looking for my other duties which Christ called on me to do.

Kobojunkie:
I believe the key is in the word "See" as used in that verse.

We know John, and Peter, for instance, did "see" the Son of man coming in His Kingdom, before they died.

27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

Matthew 16:27 NIV

Ayo081:
Now let's go back to 27
Obviously he wasn't talking about an appearance but that great big day.

Docodes:
Aside the transfiguration and ascension into heaven amongst other signs, John also didn't die before seeing the kingdom and all its awesomeness as revealed to him in the book of revelation. There were many things which were not recorded but the ones we know were recorded in view that they were enough to make us believe that Jesus is lord!

Kobojunkie:
But what Peter and John described see-ing was the Son of man coming with His Kingdom on this great day, was it not?

Ayo081:


You only pick verses that suits you?

But the Bible is a complete book.

I appreciate your genuineness.

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Dtruthspeaker:


C'mon now that is not right and just for you to say!

The bulk of the Bible is about Duties Imposed by Law and examples of those who carried out their duties and those who did not.

And thus, all the admonishings in the Bible fall into one Law or the Other. That is what I have seen and now know and therefore I speak from thence.

Ayo081:
Hmmm...

gasparpisciotta:


The thief was obviously in the crowd and Jesus could sense the events of the day of His death.

Ayo081:


Where did you get this?

gasparpisciotta:

Jesus was referring to the thief on his right hand during His crucifixion. Luke 23:38-43.

The thief was obviously in the crowd and Jesus could sense the events of the day of His death.

Ayo081:


Where did you get this?

Kobojunkie:

The transfiguration, which was seen by Peter, John and James, bears no real resemblance to what Jesus Christ said in Matthew 16 vs 21 - 28 , so I don't agree with the reasoning that the transfiguration has to do with what Jesus Christ meant there in Matthew 16. And we have no evidence that James did indeed see the second coming before he was murdered.

gasparpisciotta:

Think about it again in relation to Jesus’s words in Matt 16 and that on the cross in Luke 23.

He promised that the thief will meet him today in paradise. That is the only person that was promised immediate access to paradise without being judged first.

Meanwhile Jesus himself had not gone to paradise that day but to hades to collect the keys of death.

So the thief would be among the saints who will welcome Jesus back to heaven after his journey to the hades.

Ayo081:

Apologies

Ayo081:

Speaking of verse 24, that's a huge one and might need a thread.

Ayo081:

Are we all called to be disciples?

Ayo081:

'Deny self' is not mere.

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Kobojunkie:
But we also know that Paradise is not a place in the Kingdom of God since Jesus Christ did not ascend that day into Heaven, not into Hell, both of them in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ's Kingdom, on that very day. Jesus Christ did not visit Heaven or Hell before He left this earth and so paradise could not be referring to the Kingdom of God.

Also, we know that no one can enter into Heaven or Hell, both of them of the Kingdom of God, until after being judged by Jesus Christ, this according to Jesus Christ - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46.

paxonel:
it simply means some of the disciples standing there will not die till they see him crucified and resurrected.

The resurrection of Christ marks the kingdom of God here on earth which is Christianity

Dtruthspeaker:


Apologies accepted.

Dtruthspeaker:


I did not say anything about "mere" Denial of self!

gasparpisciotta:

Rev 2:7 talks about paradise of God.
John3:16 says....all who believe in Jesus will have eternal life.

So the timing of the thief being in paradise was stated by Jesus himself, and I believe that regardless of what transpired between when Jesus died and when he arose the third day, the thief would have been taken care of in paradise.

Ayo081:


It's more than that, the passage clearly stated that people we'll be rewarded for what they do/did.

Ayo081:

I know was only pointing that it's a big task and when I look around or myself, I ask are really following Christ?