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Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by vinceyinnovation: 4:26pm On Oct 21
Workch:
To think that you didn’t send this through a pigeon, written on a leaf is funny grin

You are using scientific inventions like internet and mobile phone to abuse science. cheesy

THE THINKING OF THE HUMAN MIND BROUGHT THESE INVENTIONS, BEFORE SCIENCE AS A DOCTRINE, A RELIGION AND A FIELD OF STUDY CAME TO BE MEN HAVE BEEN INVENTING THINGS...
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by dorox(m): 4:26pm On Oct 21
FOLYKAZE:



Zero is fictional, there is no nothingness, there must be something and some may choose to call that thing God or Creator or Cause.


This colludes with what I posted earlier. But the confused is saying it is my definition.

He simply doesn't understand the subject matter. Lacks proper understanding of material science or the spiritual essence of matter

Why can there be no nothing?
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:28pm On Oct 21
dorox:


I have told you my view before in the other thread of yours. There I stated that the simplest state is one of Nothingness, by that i mean absolute nothing, no energy, no space, no time, no matter, no laws, no information, no existence period. The fact that there is something rather than nothing, this to me implies a creator.

Let me learn from you.


Some months back, I was reading the book, A Universe from Nothing. It was awkward reading it since I wasn't too good with cosmology, physics and mathematics.

But what I found astonishing about the book is that the author argues that nothingness is absurb and impossible. But he summarised that the finite sum equals to 0. Therefore, should we conclude that totality of the whole universe equals zero mathematically and that in plain sense, existential reality is an illusion? Everything is nothing, nothing is everything
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:31pm On Oct 21
dorox:


Why can there be no nothing?

After zero there is inifinite negative number.
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by Workch: 4:35pm On Oct 21
vinceyinnovation:


THE THINKING OF THE HUMAN MIND BROUGHT THESE INVENTIONS, BEFORE SCIENCE AS A DOCTRINE, A RELIGION AND A FIELD OF STUDY CAME TO BE MEN HAVE BEEN INVENTING THINGS...
They work by scientific theories cheesy
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by dorox(m): 4:39pm On Oct 21
FOLYKAZE:


Let me learn from you.


Some months back, I was reading the book, A Universe from Nothing. It was awkward reading it since I wasn't too good with cosmology, physics and mathematics.

But what I found astonishing about the book is that the author argues that nothingness is absurb and impossible. But he summarised that the finite sum equals to 0. Therefore, should we conclude that totality of the whole universe equals zero mathematically and that in plain sense, existential reality is an illusion? Everything is nothing, nothing is everything

Perhaps the comment below made by someone in a similar debate might be of help to you


I think when Hawking and other physicists say "nothing", they don't mean the same "nothing" that the rest of us think of, which is really nothing. Instead, I think their "nothing" still contains the laws of quantum physics which, if I understand it, allow something to appear via a quantum fluctuation. That distinction got a lot Krauss into trouble when he claimed in his recent book that they had solved the question "Why is there something rather than nothing?".

I have a kind of related issue with the idea of "nothing", though, and an idea for getting around the issue of "there would be nothing to cause it". The author says:

"the universe, according to the no-boundary proposal, smoothly expanded from a point of zero size"

It seems like a point of zero size isn't even a point. It seems like zero size means it just isn't there, at least in our reference frame. Said another way, it's "absolute nothing". One might have a concept of a zero size thing point that exists in the mind, but the mind's conception of something is different than the thing itself. It seems like physicists always conflate the mind's conception of things as abstract ideas with the things themselves.

The mind's conception of a zero size point would not be there if there ever were a zero size point in real life such as the beginning of the universe in the no-boundary model. So, for the zero size point at the start of the universe, this means that the beginning of the universe was absolute nothing. But, because you can't go from nothing to something (0 doesn't equal 1), the only way to start from nothing, as the no-boundary model suggests, is if that nothing is really a something in disguise. That is, if you look at nothing from one perspective, it just looks like nothing. But, if you look at it from another perspective, it looks like a something. And, if it's really a something, it doesn't have size zero. Perhaps, it just has zero size when we're perceiving it as nothing but it has size 1 when we're perceiving it as a something?
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:52pm On Oct 21
dorox:


Perhaps the comment below made by someone in a similar debate might be of help to you



We return to the part where we both agree that nothing isn't essentially nothingness or zero but something from another perspective.

But were we not told atom is 99.99% emptiness? If that assertion is truth, shouldn't we assume that all matters in the universe amount to nothingness?
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by A001: 4:52pm On Oct 21
FOLYKAZE:


Lol....!

Who says science and scientology is the same?

You just angry over unnecessary issue. Taa.
You're even more confused than I had thought.
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:59pm On Oct 21
A001:

You're even more confused than I had thought.

I dey catch cruise jeje, you dey pick fight. I never said science is scientology. Take your war elsewhere
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by dorox(m): 5:05pm On Oct 21
FOLYKAZE:


We return to the part where we both agree that nothing isn't essentially nothingness or zero but something from another perspective.

But were we not told atom is 99.99% emptiness? If that assertion is truth, shouldn't we assume that all matters in the universe amount to nothingness?


I don't think i fully get your question. Can you rephrase it please?
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by A001: 5:06pm On Oct 21
FOLYKAZE:


I dey catch cruise jeje, you dey pick fight. I never said science is scientology. Take your war elsewhere
Did you see your moniker in my original post you quoted below? Obviously, it's not there; yet, you're already thinking of an e-war that doesn't exist when I never mentioned your moniker in the first place.

You can stop mentioning me now.
A001:
When you don't know the difference between science and scientology, then it's clear your education is nothing but a waste.

Confused fools.
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by FOLYKAZE(m): 5:10pm On Oct 21
A001:

Did you see your moniker in my original post you quoted below? Obviously, it's not there; yet, you're already thinking of an e-war that doesn't exist when I never mentioned your moniker in the first place.

You can stop mentioning me now.

Hahahaha

Your post entails the term scientology. I think I was the one who used the word on this thread.


Ok forget it... Laugh ṣo gbọ
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by FOLYKAZE(m): 5:12pm On Oct 21
dorox:


I don't think i fully get your question. Can you rephrase it please?

Ok

I learnt that atom is 99.99% empty spaces. Does that therefore implies that the whole universe is complete emptiness?
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by A001: 5:27pm On Oct 21
FOLYKAZE:


Hahahaha

Your post entails the term scientology. I think I was the one who used the word on this thread.


Ok forget it... Laugh ṣo gbọ
I didn't know any post that mentions scientology on Nairaland is referring to you.

Are you a scientologist? There's nothing to laugh about in your posts.
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by FOLYKAZE(m): 5:35pm On Oct 21
A001:

I didn't know any post that mentions scientology on Nairaland is referring to you.

Are you a scientologist? There's nothing to laugh about in your posts.

I dey beg you to rake chill pill. You say you no want. Ok fight then if it makes you feel better.
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by vinceyinnovation: 7:58pm On Oct 21
Workch:
They work by scientific theories cheesy

The work by theory of nature. Not scientific theory of Darwin, Einstein etc.
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by Workch: 8:03pm On Oct 21
vinceyinnovation:


The work by theory of nature. Not scientific theory of Darwin, Einstein etc.
Phones and internet cannot work without theory of the electromagnetic spectrum grin

Jokes on you
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by vinceyinnovation: 8:22pm On Oct 21
Workch:
Phones and internet cannot work without theory of the electromagnetic spectrum grin

Jokes on you

They have already been before it was given a name.

Giving it a name did not make it become what it's already is.

When you attribute it to science, you make some white folks black men in nairaland quote hook-line-and-sinker to become relevant.

Since they refuse to acknowledge the existence of God, these men Darwin, Einstein, Faraday, Edison etc. have become thier new gods and prophets.

I SAY AGAIN SCIENCE IS A RELIGION TOO.
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by Workch: 8:43pm On Oct 21
They
vinceyinnovation:


They have already been before it was given a name.

Giving it a name did not make it become what it's already is.

When you attribute it to science, you make some white folks black men in nairaland quote hook-line-and-sinker to become relevant.

Since they refuse to acknowledge the existence of God, these men Darwin, Einstein, Faraday, Edison etc. have become thier new gods and prophets.

I SAY AGAIN SCIENCE IS A RELIGION TOO.
they were not invented by prayers but by scientific methods.

Jokes on you
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by vinceyinnovation: 8:51pm On Oct 21
Workch:
Theythey were not invented by prayers but by scientific methods.

Jokes on you

Not all religions pray and before you call it "scientific method" men have developed methods and gave it local name.

Scientific method=scientific doctrine

SCIENCE IS A RELIGION

More jokes on you too.
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by Workch: 9:03pm On Oct 21
vinceyinnovation:


Not all religions pray and before you call it "scientific method" men have developed methods and gave it local name.

Scientific method=scientific doctrine

SCIENCE IS A RELIGION

More jokes on you too.
Atleast it invents stuffs unlike Christianity.

Nothing has been invented by Christian doctrines that works grin
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by peggywebbs(f): 9:24pm On Oct 21
@workch is obsessed with God. Everyday you talk about him. Every day, what is it?

If you don't believe he exists why talk about him? It seems you're fighting your inner conscience.
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by Workch: 9:28pm On Oct 21
peggywebbs:
@workch is obsessed with God. Everyday you talk about him. Every day, what is it?

If you don't believe he exists why talk about him? It seems you're fighting your inner conscience.
Move away, thread is meant for intellects. People who can actually discuss real topics
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by Clementoons(m): 9:36pm On Oct 21
Science only make researchs, the word of GOD is the real truth that tells you who GOD really is. Science are just learning . If you follow Science and not in the word of GOD. You will end in HELL. I pray you will not end in hell
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by vinceyinnovation: 9:38pm On Oct 21
Workch:
Atleast it invents stuffs unlike Christianity.

Nothing has been invented by Christian doctrines that works grin

Before science came to be known, our great grand parents have been inventing things: food, medicine, etc. Is it because it is not technology?

They world was created to be in harmony, interchange to exist...

The white man you quote brought religion and also science/technology. They gave us paper science education (refuse to teach our fathers the inventive education), why? So they can be gods and YOU their preacher.

Don't even say "without them (scientist) we will not use phones"

Do you think they came to Africa to show us favor? They needed our materials for their inventions.

You believe the big bang theory and the proponent even though you have not personally proven and experimented it before accepting it.

You rather teach your children that Mungo park discovered the river Niger than our fore fathers.

You cram their theories like pages of a religious book, and defend it fanatically.


Are you not also behaving like religious folks?

I SAY AUTHORITATIVELY:

SCIENCE IS A RELIGION OF THE WHITES TO ENSLAVE THE BLACKS AND DECEIVE THE GULLIBLE.
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by Workch: 9:39pm On Oct 21
vinceyinnovation:


Before science came to be known, our great grand parents have been inventing things: food, medicine, etc. Is it because it is not technology?

They world was created to be in harmony, interchange to exist...

The white man you quote brought religion and also science/technology. They gave us paper science education (refuse to teach our fathers the inventive education), why? So they can be gods and YOU their preacher.

Don't even say "without them (scientist) we will not use phones"

Do you think they came to Africa to show us favor? They needed our materials for their inventions.

You believe the big bang theory and the proponent even though you have not personally proven and experimented it before accepting it.

You rather teach your children that Mungo park discovered the river Niger than our fore fathers.

You cram their theories like pages of a religious book, and defend it fanatically.


Are you not also behaving like religious folks?

I SAY AUTHORITATIVELY:

SCIENCE IS A RELIGION OF THE WHITES TO ENSLAVE THE BLACKS AND DECEIVE THE GULLIBLE.
Christianity invented Pastorpreneurship and nothing else. cheesy

Only noise
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by Workch: 9:40pm On Oct 21
Clementoons:
Science only make researchs, the word of GOD is the real truth that tells you who GOD really is. Science are just learning . If you follow Science and not in the word of GOD. You will end in HELL. I pray you will not end in hell
Which God are you talking about in particular.
We have more 4000 of them
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by Workch: 9:44pm On Oct 21
vinceyinnovation:


Before science came to be known, our great grand parents have been inventing things: food, medicine, etc. Is it because it is not technology?

They world was created to be in harmony, interchange to exist...

The white man you quote brought religion and also science/technology. They gave us paper science education (refuse to teach our fathers the inventive education), why? So they can be gods and YOU their preacher.

Don't even say "without them (scientist) we will not use phones"

Do you think they came to Africa to show us favor? They needed our materials for their inventions.

You believe the big bang theory and the proponent even though you have not personally proven and experimented it before accepting it.

You rather teach your children that Mungo park discovered the river Niger than our fore fathers.

You cram their theories like pages of a religious book, and defend it fanatically.


Are you not also behaving like religious folks?

I SAY AUTHORITATIVELY:

SCIENCE IS A RELIGION OF THE WHITES TO ENSLAVE THE BLACKS AND DECEIVE THE GULLIBLE.
At least science doesn't scam followers through tithes and offerings cheesy
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by vinceyinnovation: 9:46pm On Oct 21
Workch:
Christianity invented Pastorpreneurship and nothing else. cheesy

Only noise

And you the great scientist...

What has your science godfathers taught you to invent?

Rants on pages of nairaland =. Noise
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by Workch: 9:49pm On Oct 21
vinceyinnovation:


And you the great scientist...

What has your science godfathers taught you to invent?

Rants on pages of nairaland =. Noise
Soar long dude, go pay your Pastorpreneurs some tithes. That's the only invention in Christianity, bunch deluded people
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by vinceyinnovation: 9:49pm On Oct 21
Workch:
At least science doesn't scam followers through tithes and offerings cheesy

But they have scam you 4.5 billion years discoveries...

Scammed you with paper certificate (upon your school fees)...and made you their preacher.
Re: Scientific Facts As To Why A Creator Cannot Possibly Exist. by Workch: 9:50pm On Oct 21
vinceyinnovation:


But they have scam you 4.5 billion years discoveries...

Scammed you with paper certificate...and made you their preacher.
That discovery works, nothing works in Christianity.
Nothing, all noise cheesy

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