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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by debosky(m): 9:41pm On Jun 03, 2011 |
naijababe: In comes 4uller with your dose of depression inducing negativity. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by Nobody: 9:46pm On Jun 03, 2011 |
debosky: Don't get it twisted bruv, negativity especially when AW is concerned is a good thing |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by debosky(m): 9:49pm On Jun 03, 2011 |
naijababe: Is it? I don't think you need to be negative, only realistic. . . .saying you sign 10 year olds when that doesn't actually happen is just being bitter. It leads to hugging of wet transformers and jumping into rivers. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by coogar: 9:53pm On Jun 03, 2011 |
debosky: wenger has to make wholesale defensive changes to compete. . . . . .i found this on opta. . . . . Chants are one of the few things that Opta do not keep track of these days but no doubt their boffins chuckled to themselves when Thomas Vermaelen headed a corner clear against Fulham last Sunday and the Arsenal fans giddily started singing, to the tune of White Stripes' Seven Nation Army, "We defended a corner! We defended a corner!" That was an appropriately sarcastic condemnation of the team that conceded a higher proportion of goals from set-pieces (53.5%) this season than any other in the Premier League. It may have been Vermaelen's clearance that triggered Sunday's celebration, but that does not mean Arsenal would have defended set-pieces better throughout the campaign if the Belgian had been fit: they let in exactly the same number of goals from set-pieces this season as they did last season (23), when Vermaelen regularly featured. That toll is almost double the number that Arsenal conceded during the 2008‑09 campaign (12), so what happened in the summer of 2009 that suddenly caused their set-piece defending to deteriorate? Sol Campbell left long before that (in his last season, 2005‑06, Arsenal only conceded nine goals from set-pieces) so perhaps Kolo Touré's departure to Manchester City had a bigger effect than is generally supposed? The Ivorian managed more headed clearances in his last season in London than any other Arsenal player – and his tally for that term, 129, is also more than any Arsenal player managed this season. Craven Cottage is home to the side that conceded the fewest goals from set-pieces this season (10). Perhaps Arsène Wenger should revive his interest in Brede Hangeland and Mark Schwarzer? Hangeland, indeed, made more clearances (424) than any other player this season, with the exception of Blackpool's Ian Evatt (430). West Bromwich Albion were one of only three teams to concede more, in actual terms, from set-pieces than Arsenal, letting in 30 goals, followed by Aston Villa (27) and Sunderland (24)
fans will still go out there to cheer even if arsenal relegate. for every disgruntled supporter that fails to show up at the emirates, there are hundreds waiting in the queue outside to cop a season ticket. football is a religion. the emirates won't miss any fan. arsenal's 125th anniversary don't mean squat. if 5 seasons without a trophy couldn't push arsene wenger to ring some changes, i wonder how the anniversary would make any difference. this season proved the difference between the top teams and the bottom teams have shrunk. tottenham and man city have improved massively and liverpool will give it a go under kenny dalglish. this was wenger's best chance of winning the league when man utd were in transition, chelsea were unstable and liverpool regressed. i don't think there's going to be another season where united will cop just five away wins in the league and chelsea won't cock it up like they did again. next season is going to be very tough. . . .p.s. tottenham just signed brad friedel. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by 4llerbuntu(m): 9:56pm On Jun 03, 2011 |
glad to be of assistance. i hate to disaopoint. its not negativity, its another view to balance out misplaced optimism. anyways, we all will get our answers in a few months time. what i do know is, there has to be 2 change |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by Nobody: 10:13pm On Jun 03, 2011 |
debosky: U don dey madt abi? 4llerbuntu: No mind debo jare, let's call it realism jare |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by mystikal(m): 10:56pm On Jun 03, 2011 |
We need a quality LB o #justsaying. Fabio Coentrao readily comes 2 mind Samba in, Squillaci out. Parker in, one or two of Diaby/Denilson out. If Bendtner is going, Get Darren Bent, lol. Squad set. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by dayokanu(m): 11:44pm On Jun 03, 2011 |
mystikal: I had to laugh at the bold, They are calling horned animals Taribo west show face |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by mystikal(m): 11:57pm On Jun 03, 2011 |
u dey madt, DK |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by Ibime(m): 12:17am On Jun 04, 2011 |
Diego Benaglio was excellent in Euro 2008 and the subsequent season for Wolfsburg but he is no better than Schezny, and an expensive player to buy just to equal Schezny. Fraser Forster should be available on free transfer from Newcastle and is also of similar quality to Schezny. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by A40(m): 12:38am On Jun 04, 2011 |
Let's go Mavericks!! Oops Wrong thread |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by Nobody: 3:56am On Jun 04, 2011 |
Officially signing in as a gooner, life without arsenal is drab. The high blood pressure and high pace passing makes my life so interesting.Not to mention our pasttime of losing steam at the wrong moments. I cant stop loving them. The Arsenal Football Club(believe me, I have tried but it wont go away) |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by aribisala0(m): 3:57am On Jun 04, 2011 |
one day fabregas will win something with someone NOT ARSENAL. HE is weak psychologically and has not done as much for arsenal as pires or lundberg. the fact that he'd rather be elsewhere doesn't help morale good player but not captain material and therefore a liability as far as winning trophies is concerned |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by mkpologwu(m): 4:59am On Jun 04, 2011 |
@naijababe, If u r truly the rose that grew from d concrete, then ur petals must have been badly damaged! Though I won't mind. Hi Ethonda, I only have 2 spares to return! CDU that was supposed to be replaced @ Ed0034, and ODU replaced @ Ed0133. Regards, Alex. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by OAM4J: 6:46am On Jun 04, 2011 |
Cool. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by snowdrops(m): 8:32am On Jun 04, 2011 |
just registering my presence |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by debosky(m): 9:52am On Jun 04, 2011 |
coogar: The stats about Evatt are clearly misleading - despite all his interceptions, his eam conceded way more goals than Arsenal, so many interceptions is a better indicator of how much your side comes under attack rather than effectiveness in dealing with set pieces. A more reasonable comparison would've been Vidic, Terry or Kompany, who play for teams expected to come under the same level of attack as Arsenal. Secondly, Hangeland and Evatt mentions 'clearances' - it doesn't specify if they are all aerial clearances or clearances in total, making it a wrong comparison to make. Thirdly, Vermaelen would reasonably be expected to have improved from his debut season, but more importantly, his presence would have avoided the situation of playing so many games with two CBs who had zero premier league experience, or at best with one who had missed an entire season (JD). In that sense, it is a near certainty that our defensive performances would have been better. Fourthly , I don't know whether penalties were included under set pieces, but Arsenal conceded an amazing number of penalties this season, and I suspect with TV5 around, it may not have been so, simply because the players conceding them would've played less. Perhaps most important of all, Vermaelen is probably the best organiser we have at the club - his vocal leadership would have improved our defensive performance overall. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by scopusng(m): 11:09am On Jun 04, 2011 |
Transfer window officially opened on JUNE 1st. Abeg, correct me if I am wrong. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by proudly9ja(m): 11:26am On Jun 04, 2011 |
^^^ Arsenal signs Osaze Odemwingie for 4million, Samson Siasia is new head coach (PatRice fired!), Cesc Fab pledges allegiance to d Arsenal cause. Diaby+Denilson exchanged for Messi. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by scopusng(m): 11:33am On Jun 04, 2011 |
proudly9ja: No kill me with laugh jare |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by coogar: 12:05pm On Jun 04, 2011 |
debosky: you must have skipped logic classes in school. evatt's stats was just by the way. the main point was brede hangeland's number of clearances in comparison to the goals fulham conceded from set-pieces. the article wasn't praising evatt - it just mentioned the only player who had more clearances than hangeland.
how so? since terry, vidic and kompany did not concede as many goals as arsenal from set-pieces, how would they have featured in this argument?
clearances from set-pieces, mr debosky. whether aerial or not, these are situations arsenal should be defending much better. what's the excuse?
i guess you have never heard of 2nd season syndrome. thomas vermaelen was on the pitch when aston villa took arsenal apart at the emirates. vermaelen's absence have been so over-rated. his inclusion wouldn't have stopped arsenal from conceding. kolo toure was mentioned in the article. no single player has matched his 'headed clearance' stats in arsenal since toure left for man city. is that not an indication that vermaelen's lack of football has no bearing in this problem? arsenal conceded the same number of goals from set pieces in vermaelen's debut season(when he featured heavily).
why should 'headed clearance' stats come into play under set-pieces? this is clutching at straws, debosky. in this article set-piece is basically corner kicks and freekicks.
i cannot dispute this. . . .even if we assume vermaelen is the best organiser at the club, his best organization still pales in comparison to his rivals at the top end of the table. in a nutshell, thomas vermaelen's effort is not good enough. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by ismaeel86(m): 12:31pm On Jun 04, 2011 |
Arsenal for life!!! subscribing, lets hope for the best next season |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by slimshay(m): 12:52pm On Jun 04, 2011 |
Coupla new folks coming in it seems. For the price of admission. In nothing less than 500words, please state, discribe and justify your opinion of Denilson, Almunia and Diaby. . .aka Dem Whipping Boiz. @debo, an important thing folks seem to miss when talking about this aerial, corner whatchacallit is the fact that we are talking percentages here. The reason it is high is cos we allow less chances in open play. Hangeland/Samba etc etc might be good in clearances but how will they fare when holding a highline, playing it out from the back, recovering when the trap has been beaten. The Hangeland being postulated here is so slow its painful to watch. Hodgson could get away with so many away draws because he had them sitting tite defending deep. Let everyone keep mentioning their preferred defender. Jus remember after defending dat corner, we still need to put it back on the deck. And the vidic/ferdinand type of defenders who can do both don't come cheap. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by jmaine: 2:04pm On Jun 04, 2011 |
Well, It's high time i frequent this thread often as an absolute but not blind Arsenal fan |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by renewnaija(m): 3:00pm On Jun 04, 2011 |
Open this thread when Wenger leaves. He cares not for our feelings or yearnings. He is no longer among top coaches of this world. Like someone stated once, which present world class coach goes 6 yrs without a trophy at an already established club? |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by Nursery1(m): 3:03pm On Jun 04, 2011 |
Wenger is losing it, he has lost touch with reality. We've lost our sense of pride n worth. He has succeeded in making turning arsenal to 'just another team'. De players are frustrated, fabregas is our captain, but i think its time he let go, de young lad wants to win trophies, and arsenal is not ready for one. On nasri, if we lose nasri, our season is dark. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by debosky(m): 3:13pm On Jun 04, 2011 |
Sharon has come again with his inability to comprehend simple statements. coogar: It is irrelevant to the discussion - that was my point. More pertinently, how many of his clearances were headers? How many of Hangeland's clearances were headers? That will be a useful comparator. Furthermore, which attribute prevents set piece goals more - is it the ability to clear aerial balls or prevent the crosses from coming in ab initio?
They don't need to concede as many goals - their clearances will be a good comparison since they would be expected to be attacked to a similar level compared to Arsenal. Comparing Arsenal defenders to guys who are bombarded all game is pointless.
There is no excuse - I have simply pointed out the glaring flaws in the casual analysis attempting to place the blame for poor set piece defending on the number of headed clearances. There are a multitude of factors that could be responsible, ranging from the GK's reading of aerial balls, the full backs preventing crosses coming in and the ability of the CBs.
His first game in nearly 9 months - it simply showed he was off the pace.
Kolo being mentioned is red herring - Arsenal conceded ONLY 6 goals more this term than Kolo's last season, despite playing 3 GKs this season and playing 2 defenders who have never played in the EPL, plus one who missed the whole of last season. So having Kolo and Gallas, two title winning EPL CBs is a mere 6 goal improvement over Arsenal of this season? So much for his addition.
His first season in the EPL - that is worth noting. We can go back to Vidic's first season and see that he suffered in the early days as well.
See me see trouble - who brought the headed clearance shitzo into this? Was it me? Are the large number of penalties conceded by Arsenal this season included? That would further dilute any so called 'headed clearance' impact.
It remains to be seen - Vidic improved with time, so did other foreign defenders in the EPL. I don't see any reason why to treat TV differently. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by debosky(m): 3:27pm On Jun 04, 2011 |
Dwelling on penalties, it would be hard to find another season where they have had such an impact on Arsenal. Penalties against Spurs cost at least 3 points, arguably 5 points. Penalty against Liverpool - 2 points 2 penalties (!) against Newcastle - 2 points What about penalties missed? Penalty at Sunderland - 2 points Those are the ones I can easily recall. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by coogar: 4:36pm On Jun 04, 2011 |
debosky: that is irrelevant. we are not discussing the heights of the players here. . . . .we are discussing clearances.
you are a tool! ability to clear aerial balls or preventing the crosses from coming in? how many times do players prevent corner-kicks from coming into the box? how many times do they prevent indirect freekicks or rory delap's long throws? of couse, the ability to clear aerial balls is far superior to preventing the crosses from coming in. . . .preventing the crosses will invite more set-pieces in throw-ins or corner-kicks, you dumbo!
it is not. this statistic is not culled from open play - but from set-pieces.
full-backs preventing crosses coming in from corners, long throws, blackburn's use of the long ball methods, etc. dr kit was right, you are a fat fool!
psssssf. . . . . .same excuses would have been used for torres if he had been injured all season before joining chelsea. there you go. . . .
6 goals is only? if we break those 6 goals into 1 goal each. . . . . and remove 1 goal each from what arsenal opponents scored in their score-draws with arsenal this season, that would be 12 points gained for arsenal. good enough to have usurped man utd.
6 goals that could have equalled to 12 extra points.
vidic joined mid-season. . . .no pre-season with united team-mates. in his first full season, he won the prem title and a pfa spot.
are defenders allowed to use their heads to make clearance when a penalty kick is taken?
vermaelen is a microcosm of what vidic epitomises. vida is the truth! |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by A40(m): 6:50pm On Jun 04, 2011 |
O.M.G Djourou may never play for Switzerland again! |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by debosky(m): 6:59pm On Jun 04, 2011 |
My points are clear - I am not wholly convinced about this issue of headed clearances - there are many subtleties not reflected in that stat alone such as positioning, organisation, GK intervention and the influence of the fullbacks, either in closing out the crosses or intercepting. Furthermore, we cannot be looking at the one team that conceded fewer goals from set pieces alone, or the sheer number of interceptions - we should look at teams that concede less goals than Arsenal, and at teams that experience similar levels of attacks. iT makes basic sense that if you get attacked more, you will make more interceptions, without the number being an indication of the player's quality. Each team is more susceptible to a type of move, so that statistic of itself is not the crux as such in my view. ************************************************************************************************************* Watching the England game, JD showed his numerous flaws today - not good at interceptions and makes rash tackles. He cost a penalty on Jack and almost did the same on Walcott except for a myopic referee. He also missed the interception that Bent should've put away from Jack's through ball. Benaglio the alleged target GK was ok, made a good save from Bent, almost saved Lamps' penalty but was otherwise not very involved. Then again, the much hyped Hart made schoolboy errors today, so I guess Benaglio did ok. Jack showed his excellent qualities and determination, Walcott was so so, but had an ok game overall. The Parker people are calling for was good, but not exceptional either. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread (for Arsenal Fans) by MeGaStReEt: 7:55pm On Jun 04, 2011 |
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