So is Nasri leaving? Chelsea or Utd where would you prefer he goes to?

Mavin Martin no go bad oh! Holy Crap

Who is Marvin Martin?

France v Ukraine! Go and view the game

A-40:

Mavin Martin no go bad oh! Holy Crap

Impressive debut for the Sochaux youngster.
His stock certainly rose last night with that magic debut.
Heard he was one of the best french youngsters last season in the French league.

ritchboy:

This is ludicrous. . . Especially when you consider the fact Valencia would have happily moved to a team like Spurs or Aston Villa if United weren't interested in him.

why not west ham or blackpool? happily moved to spurs or aston villa my foot. he should have moved there before joining united considering the fact he spent a massive 3 years at wigan before making the big money move to united. what were spurs and villa doing then? dozing?

Nasri has played CM before. He can also play AM(his natural role). If he must play wide, then there's no reason he must play as a "traditional winger", is Park a traditional winger?

nasri cannot play cm for man utd. he doesn't have the clout, the energy and the industry to run back and forth for a team like united. there's a reason evra told him united players work harder than any team in england and nasri must step up if he wants to join man utd. since united have park who isn't a "traditional winger". . . . .why add another to the team? are we buying nasri to stay on the bench or are we buying him to make the starting 11? park is a better player than nasri if winning 3 points is the objective. . . . .but if it's about fantasy football, nasri wins. united don't play fantasy football, we win trophies.

Stop embarrassing yourself. . . Park's work rate is 10 times greater than Nani's. Since we all know Nani is much better going forward, why do you think Fergie prefers Park on the big occasions at times? His hairstyle?

to the naked eye. . . . . but statistics disagree with you. your question is laughable. why do you think fergie prefers o'shea to rafael in big games? on ability alone, rafael is miles ahead but fergie still prefers the conservative oshea. well, the answer is simple. in big games, the chances are very few and js park will make use of the few chances he has got better than nani. in big games, o'shea is more likely to avoid elementary mistakes than rafael as well. it's nothing to do with ability - but making the most of the 20% chance you will get against quality opponents.

Tackles won alone cannot possibly tell us who has a higher work rate. In any case, can you provide the stats?

so what will then tell us who has a higher work rate? tackles lost?

This is too reetarded to respond to.

just like roman numerals are reetarded to a stark illiterate. sometimes, what you don't understand appears reetarded.

Does high stamina = mental strength?

nope, but mental strength boosts the stamina. you should be down and out but your mental strength won't let you lie down and thus you keep fighting. all those last minute goals united kept scoring weren't luck. . . .it's a testament to their mental strength. meanwhile, arsenal kept blowing their leads. 4-4 at newcastle, 2-3 at the emirates against tottenham. compare n contrast with man utd's win at westham. . . . .the win at blackpool and 1 man down against bolton(without vidic and rio) and united still managed to claw out 3 points from a potential draw. that's mental strength which raises the stamina level and keeps the players going without tiring.

You seem to have cooked up several meanings for the word "strength" so you can twist it to suit whatever argument you make. Barcelona have "strength" because they close the opposition down collectively. . . United have "strength" because, let me guess "never say die" attitude. Stoke City must also have a variation of "strength", another guess, physical.

don't make up your own argument. barcelona and united have the mental strength. . . .they keep winning regardless of what is put in front of them.
united have won 3 of the last 4 league titles, barcelona have won 3 of the last 4 titles. . . . .that's mental strength. if stoke have this kind of strength, they will be winning their leagues not languishing in the 13th position every season. don't compare elokobi's strength to that of vidic or pique.

This stregth you are telling us Nasri doesn't have(and Nani does), is it physical, mental or, wait for it. . . CLOSING DOWN STRENGTH!

mental strength is the father of all strengths. once your brain is up to it, the rest is history. it's like adrenaline - you will not tire. nasri on the other hand accepts defeat even when the game can be won. arsenal lost to birmingham and their season went bananas. united lost a derby game in wembley and they got stronger. . . .destroying every team that came to old trafford since then. arsenal on the other kept dropping points home and away and ended up 4th from the 2nd position. abeg, strength pass strength.

Valencia is more ambitious than Nasri.

Sharon is thoroughly demented.

Valencia spent 3 years at Wigan before moving, a club perpetually flirting with relegation and he has more ambition than Nasri, who has spent 3 years at a club in the top 4 and regularly in the top 8 in Europe.

You should simply hang yourself now and spare yourself the misery.

nateevs:


Tongue in cheek eh? Plan B, just in case reality steps in and exposes your idiocy.

The Idiocy of Debosky is far wiser than the Wisdom of Lateef.

All hail Lateef, famous inventor of the winner of Most Idiotic of Idiocies 2001 Award for 'Spend £100m and make no transfer for 5 years.'

debosky:

Valencia is more ambitious than Nasri. 

Sharon is thoroughly demented.

Valencia spent 3 years at Wigan before moving, a club perpetually flirting with relegation and he has more ambition than Nasri, who has spent 3 years at a club in the top 4 and regularly in the top 8 in Europe.

You should simply hang yourself now and spare yourself the misery.

you are a fat fool! what ambitions has nasri got? plucked from obscurity from marseille by a french manager and yet he has nothing to show for his 3 year stint in the english league. valencia got to wigan from recreativo(a club he had single-handedly helped to gain promotion). he spent 3 yrs in wigan and made the big money move to valencia man utd and hasn't looked back since then. . . . .from an ordinary winger in valencia wigan to the division's best in a matter of months and winning trophies with it - that's ambition.

so nasri moving from marseille to arsenal is what you call ambition? what has he won in that period? nothing! he's so ambitious and he wants to leave that club in the top 4 and regularly in top 8 in europe when he hasn't won nada for them. one can understand henry, vieira, etc for leaving arsenal - they won quite a lot there and they wanted new challenges. . . . .a tactless nasri wants to leave a club he won nothing for and you say he has ambitions. . . . .your intelligence quotient has sunken to a new low. not even jacques cousteau can reach such depths, you ignoramus!

Ambition: An eager or strong desire to achieve something

i ask again. . . .what has nasri achieved?

coogar:

you are a fat fool! what ambitions has nasri got? plucked from obscurity from marseille by a french manager and yet he has nothing to show for his 3 year stint in the english league. valencia got to wigan from recreativo(a club he had single-handedly helped to gain promotion). he spent 3 yrs in wigan and made the big money move to [size=14pt]valencia[/size] and hasn't looked back since then. . . . .from an ordinary winger in [size=14pt]valencia[/size] to the division's best in a matter of months and winning trophies with it - that's ambition.

so nasri moving from marseille to arsenal is what you call ambition? what has he won in that period? nothing! he's so ambitious and he wants to leave that club in the top 4 and regularly in top 8 in europe when he hasn't won nada for them. one can understand henry, vieira, etc for leaving arsenal - they won quite a lot there and they wanted new challenges. . . . .a tactless nasri wants to leave a club he won nothing for and you say he has ambitions. . . . .your intelligence quotient has sunken to a new low. not even jacques cousteau can reach such depths, you ignoramus!

Ambition: An eager or strong desire to achieve something

i ask again. . . .what has nasri achieved?

Okay, we know how you queers guys like to get down at the Old Toilet , but please isnt this d**k riding getting out of hand! Sharon o de calm down!!!!

slimshay:


Okay, we know how you queers guys like to get down at the Old Toilet , but please isnt this manliness riding getting out of hand! Sharon o de calm down!!!!

errors are natural. . . .only reetards miss the tone of the message and go after errors. what you have highlighted have not dented the fact that valencia has more ambitions than nasri and talking about queers at old trafford is a bit rich considering the word "arse" can be found in arsenal and arsene. . . . .and i also remember wenger pushing a vibrating phone in ashley cole's rectum in 2004.

and i also remember wenger pushing a vibrating phone in ashley cole's rectum in 2004.

and may we all ask if there were other people around you when you witnessed this great event?

Another Manure player going ga-ga over Samir Nasri.
First it was Evra, now Ferdinand, who next. . . . .
Just imagining Vidic coming out to say 'Nasri has Manure DNA in his body'
Rubbish

You are talking bollocks Sharon, I repeat, absolute bollocks.

Valencia spent his first 3 years in England battling relegation before moving on, while Nasri has spent his first 3 years displaying his talents in the upper echelons of the EPL and in the CL.

What did Valencia have to show for his 3 years at Wigan?  

Which shows more ambition - playing for a relegation threatened side or playing in the CL?

Idiocy of Idiocies.

Secondly, there is no confirmation Nasri wants to leave - what has been implied is that he wants more cash than has been offered.

Let's wait and see where Nasri is after 4 years to compare - what is clear is that the first three years has Nasri as the overwhelmingly more ambitious player.

debosky:

You are talking bollocks Sharon, I repeat, absolute bollocks.

you are a tool! always remember that.

Valencia spent his first 3 years in England battling relegation before moving on, while Nasri has spent his first 3 years displaying his talents in the upper echelons of the EPL and in the CL.

what did nasri win in the upper echelons of the epl and in the cl? nothing! the moment valencia arrived in the same upper echelon, he became the best winger in the division and won the league in the 2nd season. nasri didn't make any impact until his 3rd season in the upper echelon and still finished 4th in the league after telling everyone that cared to listen he felt his hands on the league title already.

What did Valencia have to show for his 3 years at Wigan?  

wigan is a bottom side. . . .a club that has a lower ambition than valencia. he moved to man utd and became an instant hit. did fergie all of a sudden inject valencia with hormones within the first 2 months that made valencia a beast on the right wing? of course, the ecuadorian has the talents in him all along but he was playing with duds. . . . .the moment he mixed it with the cream of the crop, his talents could no longer be hidden

nasri on the other hand arrived in england via the french connection. playing with full internationals and yet he had nothing to show for it in his first season at arsenal. 2nd season was even more abysmal. in the 3rd season, he played well for half of the season and went back to his creeping neurosis. playing in the same top echelon that valencia is playing and nasri has won nothing. valencia did on his debut and won the league a season after.

Which shows more ambition - playing for a relegation threatened side or playing in the CL?

winning something shows ambition not playing in the cl. . . . .it's well documented now that valencia has moved from rags to riches. . . .playing in a relegation threatened side into playing in the european final. . . .a feat samir nasri can never match. valencia has moved from relegation waters into winning a league title - a feat nasri will not match now or in the after life. if you are not dumb, valencia has more ambitions and we all know he's not a pedestrian at man utd. . . . .he is the main man!

Idiocy of Idiocies.

fat tool!

Secondly, there is no confirmation Nasri wants to leave - what has been implied is that he wants more cash than has been offered.

with or without him, he has not changed arsenal's fortunes. before he came to arsenal. . . .gunners were without a trophy for 3 seasons. . . .after he arrived, gunners went another 3 seasons without a trophy. so what's the big deal about samir nasri? the most overrated player in the planet.

Let's wait and see where Nasri is after 4 years to compare - what is clear is that the first three years has Nasri as the overwhelmingly more ambitious player.

after 4 years? why after 4 years? nasri made his big money move 3 years ago. . . . .valencia made his in 2009. valencia has already won the league, the carling cup, the community shield and played in a european final. . . . .samir nasri is yet to match any of these achievements since 2008 and you want us to compare after 4 years. . . . .you see why people call you a fat tool?

coogar:

errors are natural. . . .only reetards miss the tone of the message and go after errors. what you have highlighted have not dented the fact that valencia has more ambitions than nasri and talking about queers at old trafford is a bit rich considering the word "arse" can be found in arsenal and arsene. . . . .and i also remember wenger pushing a vibrating phone in ashley cole's rectum in 2004.

Valencia Sharon, why u dey catch feelings na.  

Ambition isn't leaving Marseille (former European Champions) to Arsenal (won nothing in 6 years and no European titles).It should be pointed out that Marseille won the Lique 1 title in 2009\10.
Ambition is leaving perennial relegation battlers to perennial league champions and winning titles.
If it is terms of club movement ,Valencia can be said to be more ambitious than Nasri.
I thought Nasri was supposed to be the new Zidane when he signed for Arsenal?

Wow, see all these definitions of 'ambitious' flying around. So if you leave small club to join big club it means you are straight up ambitous. Or if you have won more trophies.

Please how ambitious is Michael Owen in that light?

I bet Darron Gibson with more premiership medals is more ambitious than Cesc Fabregas.

Oh wait, Sturridge opting to leave Chelsea to go on loan to Bolton to improve his play time and hence his game is not ambitious.

#Just wondering

slimshay:

Wow, see all these definitions of 'ambitious' flying around. So if you leave small club to join big club it means you are straight up ambitous. Or if you have won more trophies.

Please how ambitious is Michael Owen in that light?

I bet Darron Gibson with more premiership medals is more ambitious than Cesc Fabregas.

Oh wait, Sturridge opting to leave Chelsea to go on loan to Bolton to improve his play time and hence his game is not ambitious.

#Just wondering

the mind of a gaynner never ceases to amaze me. they never compare like for like.

--michael owen is 29 at the dusk of his career. . . .comparing him to nasri/valencia in their early 20s is laughable
--darron gibson is a reserve player. his contribution to the league title is extremely negligible.
--sturridge opting to leave chelsea is a loan move for an upcoming player. it has nothing to do with nasri/valencia who were signed to get into the first team of their respective clubs.

coogar:

the mind of a gaynner never ceases to amaze me. they never compare like for like.

--michael owen is 29 at the dusk of his career. . . .comparing him to nasri/valencia in their early 20s is laughable
--darron gibson is a reserve player. his contribution to the league title is extremely negligible.
--sturridge opting to leave chelsea is a loan move for an upcoming player. it has nothing to do with nasri/valencia who were signed to get into the first team of their respective clubs.

Truth is,when we discover the thought process of a Gunner,we should conclude it is bigger than the cure for cancer.

Ok. For ya scummies.
Ambition is only when a football player moves to Manure.
Any player that moves to Arsenal is showing little ambition.
No wonder y'all are refered to as SCUMMIES
SMH

HNIC:

Ok. For ya scummies.
Ambition is only when a football player moves to Manure.
Any player that moves to Arsenal is showing little ambition.
No wonder y'all are refered to as SCUMMIES
SMH

Another sensible contribution from the head nincompoop in charge.
Brilliant.
Slimshay puts y'all to shame with a silly statement,and just when we think it can't get any worse,you join the party.

HNIC:

Ok. For ya scummies.
Ambition is only when a football player moves to Manure.
Any player that moves to Arsenal is showing little ambition.
No wonder y'all are refered to as SCUMMIES
SMH

that cannot be said of vieira, lehmann, henry, bergkamp, etc. ambition is going to a club and winning something with them before moving on. yaya toure, david silva are big time achievers. they won something on their debut. tevez is an achiever, he does something great everywhere he goes. zlatan is a mega-achiever, if anyone wants to win a league title - just sign him. he has won league titles every club he's been but nasri? prince nasri?
i laugh in samir.

coogar:

the mind of a gaynner never ceases to amaze me. they never compare like for like.

--michael owen is 29 at the dusk of his career. . . .comparing him to nasri/valencia in their early 20s is laughable
--darron gibson is a reserve player. his contribution to the league title is extremely negligible.
--sturridge opting to leave chelsea is a loan move for an upcoming player. it has nothing to do with nasri/valencia who were signed to get into the first team of their respective clubs.

Comparing who, I'm saying all these silverware, bigger club definitions and analogies of ambitions is mightily flawed.

At 29 I presume Owen is allowed to say 'he'd rather sit on the bench at Old trafford than go play regularly elsewhere'. Wait, its about their ages. Gayner mind: we just cant compare like for like? Ologbeni I hope you know Mr Gibson is same age as Nasri. Oh sorry he is at the dawn of his career, we cant compare. These for you are examples of unambitious champions.

On the other hand, Sturrdige too could have chosen to play a 'negligible' part in Chelsea push, and if his form at Bolton was anything to go buy, he just might have copped a premiership winners medal for that. Yet he knew to get regular games he had to leave, seeing as Chelsea decided to put faith in a big name. Footballwise that is ambition.

Looking to get better where you are now, so you can move to the next stage that fits your improved ability.

A bigger club buying a better player in a lower club is as normal as morning coffee, what's ambitious about that?

@Starboard, sorry I had a quick tea break, you were saying?

slimshay:

Comparing who, I'm saying all these silverware, bigger club definitions and analogies of ambitions is mightily flawed.

how so? how is it flawed? a player must win something to be considered great.

At 29 I presume Owen is allowed to say 'he'd rather sit on the bench at Old trafford than go play regularly elsewhere'. Wait, its about their ages. Gayner mind: we just cant compare like for like? Ologbeni I hope you know Mr Gibson is same age as Nasri. Oh sorry he is at the dawn of his career, we cant compare. These for you are examples of unambitious champions.

completely ignoring owen once won ballon d'or in 2001 and was a super player at the dawn of his career. what else is there for owen to achieve at 29? he was the best player in europe 10 years ago. his ability has left him - he cannot be compared to nasri and his name doesn't even fit into the debate. gibson being in the same age as nasri is also off-point. messi is the same age as nasri so what gives. the point is. . . .what has nasri achieved at arsenal after 3 years? yes - he's become an important player for wenger but what has he done with his importance? not even a league runner-up.

gibson grew up in the academy. nobody in the united camp has ever claimed him to be the next zidane. he is just who he is, an average player who isn't anywhere the first team. yes, he has won a league title but his part in it was little and that's that. it's loads different from a nasri bought for 15 million and he's yet to win anything for arsenal and yet he wants to leave without leaving any mark or impact in arsenal. that is no ambition.

On the other hand, Sturrdige too could have chosen to play a 'negligible' part in Chelsea push, and if his form at Bolton was anything to go buy, he just might have copped a premiership winners medal for that. Yet he knew to get regular games he had to leave, seeing as Chelsea decided to put faith in a big name. Footballwise that is ambition.

these examples make me laugh. what has sturridge gotta do with this? sturridge is not in chelsea's first team. he will not get ahead of drogba, torres, anelka, etc. he had to be sent on loan to see plenty of football in the lower clubs. same treatment was meted out to macheda, welbeck and miram diouf. he's upcoming. . . .he has not achieved anything by going to bolton to play neither has gibson achieved anything of note playing a little part in united's 19th title. when sturridge wins a trophy by being instrumental to the victory, we shall conclude his issue. for now, he's not even close.

Looking to get better where you are now, so you can move to the next stage that fits your improved ability.
A bigger club buying a better player in a lower club is as normal as morning coffee, what's ambitious about that?

a bigger club buying a better player in a lower club in itself is not an achievement. . . . the achievement comes from what that better player shows when he joins the bigger club. did he just accept to be a pedestrian or did he push himself hard enough to become a vital part of that team? look at valencia - from playing in a relegation threatened team to becoming the first choice winger in the best team in the league - that's a whole lot of achievement. you can put chicharito in that bracket too. those are players with ambitions - not a paraplegic samir nasri who does not know where the next trophy will come from.

Get it clear, I'm not into the Nasri is more ambitious than Valencia debate, but I seem to be seeing some things that seems to mean ambitious equals: transfer+bigger club +medal.

On that basis you were making a lot of sense sense until you said Sturridge has not achieved anything by going on loan to Bolton. Winning something with Bolton wasn't on the agenda in the first place. His ambition is to break into the Chelsea first team and to do it he had to go lower. Same as people like Wilshere, they could have chosen to stay and claim 'they are fighting for their place'. Yeah right.

Vela spent a few years loafing about in Arsenal, then everyone said it was because he didnt have opportunities, he refused this same Bolton then eventually he agreed to go to WestBrom, he still didnt make the cut, that shows lack of ambition. Hence, I do agree that what you do when you make the step up (or even down) that counts. But you seem to write off the ambitions of players who knowingly make the step down. Thats why I brought people like Darron Gibson into it. Seeing as he could have been the natural step up to the role of Scholes from within, where was the ambition in going out to improve himself or SAF couldnt spare him? But he has won things, so is he now ambitious?

Oh by the way, I guess Michael Owen is at the biggest he can ever get then. Oh wait, that Ballon D'Or thingy, didnt he beat one guy named Raul to it. Go figure. Ambitious isnt about age my guy. Its about conquering new fronts like you say. Michael Owen is a gambling addicted-lazy-fork!

slimshay:

Get it clear, I'm not into the Nasri is more ambitious than Valencia debate, but I seem to be seeing some things that seems to mean ambitious equals: transfer+bigger club +medal.

noted!

On that basis you were making a lot of sense sense until you said Sturridge has not achieved anything by going on loan to Bolton. Winning something with Bolton wasn't on the agenda in the first place. His ambition is to break into the Chelsea first team and to do it he had to go lower. Same as people like Wilshere, they could have chosen to stay and claim 'they are fighting for their place'. Yeah right.

which was why i said sturridge is an upcoming player, a rookie. his ambition is to break into chelsea's first team. has he? you think hiddink will play sturridge ahead of drogba and torres?

Vela spent a few years loafing about in Arsenal, then everyone said it was because he didnt have opportunities, he refused this same Bolton then eventually he agreed to go to WestBrom, he still didnt make the cut, that shows lack of ambition. Hence, I do agree that what you do when you make the step up (or even down) that counts. But you seem to write off the ambitions of players who knowingly make the step down. Thats why I brought people like Darron Gibson into it. Seeing as he could have been the natural step up to the role of Scholes from within, where was the ambition in going out to improve himself or SAF couldnt spare him? But he has won things, so is he now ambitious?

i have not written off the ambitions of players who knowingly make the step down. united have got several players on loan at lower clubs as well. all i am saying is until they step up in their parent club and win something - it cannot be concluded yet that they have matched their ambitions.

Oh by the way, I guess Michael Owen is at the biggest he can ever get then. Oh wait, that Ballon D'Or thingy, didnt he beat one guy named Raul to it. Go figure. Ambitious isnt about age my guy. Its about conquering new fronts like you say. Michael Owen is a gambling addicted-lazy-fork!

there's nothing else out there for michael owen to conquer. injuries ruined him and at 29, he's done n dusted. the league trophy is a bonus for him though. now, it's documented he has now won a league title after 13 years of trying.

StarBoard:

Another sensible contribution from the head nincompoop in charge.
Brilliant.
Slimshay puts y'all to shame with a silly statement,and just when we think it can't get any worse,you join the party.

and just when we thought only intelligent people were debating something mundane @ lunchtime, guess who came in to ruin the gathering,as usual.Stardust
I keep saying it, no matter how much cougar,dk and co loathe Arsenal, they put up a credible debate, this asswipe just sucks so badly when he writes, its alarming.

Liverpool apparently wanting to pay £20m for Henderson, and Lateefu feels Cesc isn't worth £50m.

^^
L'pool's player evaluation and signings doesn't count. Remember how much †нє signed Glen Johnson?

^^

Don't mind me bro. . . .I'm just ribbing the chav.

Ambition: An eager or strong desire to achieve something

i ask again. . . .what has nasri achieved?

This boy is an olodo sha! Just sit back and admire your stupidity :-

A: Ambition: An eager or strong DESIRE to achieve something

B: i ask again. . . .what has nasri ACHIEVED?

You actually don't see the difference between the DESIRE to achieve something and actually ACHIEVING it? Valencia winning the league with United is not = ambition, it is ACHIEVEMENT. Nasri not winning the league with Arsenal is not a lack of ambition, it is a lack of ACHIEVEMENT.

In any case, you are still an olodo because the argument is about how ambitious Valencia was at Wigan i.e. BEFORE he won the Carling Cup and EPL with United.

Cougars aren't the brightest of animals but i think you should be able to decipher this. Otherwise i've either overestimated your intelligence or underestimated your stupidity