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Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by zstranger: 8:47am On Jun 10, 2011
Whenever the biography of Sam Omatseye is written by history itself, as against constructs by fellow sycophants — I am sure the difference between story by history and story by the historian is beyond his grasp — it will be mentioned that he deployed not only his barren intellect, but his miserable soul solely to the cause of the brigand, Bola Tinubu. Tinubu has no pedigree; he belongs to the class of criminals immolated in the days of yore, but who, by the accident of history, have now found themselves in the commanding heights of timed power.

Before another sentence, let’s provide a background. Bola Tinubu, sole proprietor of the ACN, was once at the Tribune House, Ibadan. Mission: to buy over the Tribune management in the service of his political agenda. He had already compromised the Lagos newspapers, and anyone in doubt should ask why The Nigerian Tribune has, by the grace of God, remained the only paper in the country to report the judicial atrocities going on in the country on his behalf, his (Tinubu’s) case with the EFCC and allied issues. Should the Tribune join Tinubu’s empire, we’d also begin to carry the kind of stories which said Alao-Akala had fled the country after Ajimobi’s inauguration, even while the former governor was in the church opening his mouth as wide as he was wont to, in praises to God in Ogbomosho, less than 300 kilometres from the printing room of their medium. We would have glossed over the carnage unleashed by ACN brigands in Akwa Ibom State, and Tribune editors would get the kind of salaries paid Omatseye and others from the money paid by the Lagos State government on a monthly basis into the coffers of Tinubu’s company, Alpha Beta, or its sister company in Osun State, Infinity Concept.

He was told off. That Tinubu, like a pampered child, did not get his desired candy as he imagined in capturing the Nigerian Tribune did not go down well with him. And then came The Nation and its onslaught on the Nigerian Tribune. Mission: to get the Tribune out of the way so that Emperor Tinubu can take over the nation.

In another attack on Awo launched by Tinubu (“Awo family without an Awo”, The Nation, Monday June 6, 2011, back page) through his errand boy, Sam Omatseye, this time on Awo’s family, Mama (Dr) H.I.D Awolowo, the woman who stood by the sage throughout his odyssey, the woman who recently lost another child, the woman who has carried on her husband’s torch since 1987, was tagged a worthless woman. He wrote: ‘’I once wrote that this woman whom Awo once described as a jewel of inestimable value has lost value to his cause (sic). If he came back to life, he would have committed the extraordinary act of divorce after death (sic).”

Beyond the infelicities of “lost value to his cause,” and ‘’if he came back to life he would have committed”( Gloss: If he came back to life, he would commit.), I am not shocked that this fellow can pour such imprecations on a 96-year-old woman. His principal has not got a certificate, and I am sure he has unresolved issues with marijuana. Beyond that, character, which the Yoruba say is beauty, does not dwell in beasts, felons without a pedigree. We know what brought Tinubu to Lagos, and will inform Omatseye in the coming weeks.

Omatseye wrote: “The so-called real Awolowos who bear his surname cannot come up for mention. They are Awolowos but not Awoists. They stabbed their father in the back. They have committed ideological parricide. The only person that made a real try was Awolowo-Dosumu in the early 1990s and she lost roundly. She was accused of trying to ride her father’s coat tail.”

On what grounds were these conclusions based? Do the Awolowo children have to negotiate their existence only within the purview of Tinubu’s brand of Awoism, or not? We recall that even Awolowo-Dosumu was frustrated by Tinubu and his gang. Coming from a distinguished parentage, she knew the best thing to do was withdraw when the jewels had been thrown to the dogs.

Omatseye even went spiritual. ‘’In another spoof of Christ, where were his family anyway (sic)?” Omatseye’s analogy is illiterate, because James, the Lord’s brother, became a frontline apostle in the church, and even authored an epistle. So, if our guy thinks that the family of Jesus wasn’t of much worth, why would anyone expect him to see any good in the Awo family? I do not want to print the other diatribes against the Awo family because I know that this bastard will go to his grave covered in tears.

It should not be surprising that Omatseye sees Tinubu, a man accused by the Code of Conduct Bureau of operating 16 foreign accounts as governor, a man who bleeds the Lagos State treasury dry every month, a gnome given to gutter language and manipulator of the judiciary, as Awo’s successor in the South-West: “Ideologically, when we talk of Awo’s family, the chief inheritor is Asiwaju Bola Tinubu as the leader of all the others.”

Are you shocked? The man who imposed candidates all over the South-West is Awo’s successor, according to Omatseye. Tinubu, who hasn’t a single paper to his name. The subject of attack is Obafemi Awolowo himself, make no mistake about it. And you should not be surprised that ‘’in all the states from Lagos to Edo, Awo has witnessed a resurgence,” and that “Lagos has posted itself as the John the Baptist (sic).”

But the last time I visited schools in my home town, Ikorodu, teachers had their office under trees, and I saw not a single motorable road.The masses are locked up in Black Marias for hawking, and life is hell in Lagos State. This is the handiwork of the progressives, the real members of the Awo family, according to Omatseye. We hope Tinubu will go as far as burning down the Ikenne home of the Awolowos to prove a point.

Yet, try as he may, Tinubu will never become Yoruba leader. He will remain the felon, the brigand that he has always been, until his cup is full.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by OmoTier1(m): 9:14am On Jun 10, 2011
This is what you get when you build democracy around individuals and on institutions.

The difference between Awo and Tinubu is in the above. One built an institution of democractic ideological movement, the other is building a political empire without much ideology.

Every political party existing earth is either LEFT, CENTER LEFT, RIGHT and CENTRE RIGHT and each hangs on wether they be socialist-liberal thinkers, conservatives or social conservatives. The question goes begging for answers remains thus; Which one of these does ACN, and the TINUBU political empire fall into?

As much as I tend to vote ACN, mainly 'cos much of her candidates represent a better alternative,however, the party itself appears to lack any ideology and manner with which an individual within the party has turned it to his political 'heaven' leaves a sour taste in the mouth of voters like myself.

In as much as Tinubu's effort is appreciated by most ACN supporters, however when the call is too loud, it beckons that a genuine politician must embrace reforms, and the time is right for Tinubu to do just that; He either REFORMS or He DEFORMS.

There is so much that can be said of ACN, TINUBU(-saint or satan),and the burden of genuine ideological difference.

I hope to be able to posit and conclude a write up so titled: "ACN:leaning which way?"

Finally, this thought remains; will Tinubu be another Bola Ige? Hope not but only time will tell!

@ Eko Ile, can I kindly suggest that you soft pedal on your 'beyond doubt' position on Tinubu. While some of your reasoning in his defence seems acceptable, however permitt me to say that no true student of politics ever live to fight for man, rather the fight is over ideology. Thus it would be worthwhile if you expend that youthful vibrancy in making known the ideology Tinubu stands for and how this is reflecting in ACN, her goverment and ultimately the people be governed. Still I commend your effort, zeal and patrotism to the 'progressive train'.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by zstranger: 9:26am On Jun 10, 2011
Omo_Tier1:

This is what you get when you build democracy around individuals and on institutions.

The difference between Awo and Tinubu is in the above. One built an institution of democractic ideological movement, the other is building a political empire without much ideology.

Every political party existing earth is either LEFT, CENTER LEFT, RIGHT and CENTRE RIGHT and each hangs on wether they be socialist-liberal thinkers, conservatives or social conservatives. The question goes begging for answers remains thus; Which one of these does ACN, and the TINUBU political empire fall into?

As much as I tend to vote ACN, mainly 'cos much of her candidates represent a better alternative,however, the party itself appears to lack any ideology and manner with which an individual within the party has turned it to his political 'heaven' leaves a sour taste in the mouth of voters like myself.

In as much as Tinubu's effort is appreciated by most ACN supporters, however when the call is too loud, it beckons that a genuine politician must embrace reforms, and the time is right for Tinubu to do just that; He either REFORMS or He DEFORMS.

There is so much that can be said of ACN, TINUBU(-saint or satan),and the burden of genuine ideological difference.

I hope to be able to posit and conclude a write up so titled: "ACN:leaning which way?"

Finally, this thought remains; will Tinubu be another Bola Ige? Hope not but only time will tell!

@ Eko Ile, can I kindly suggest that you soft pedal on your 'beyond doubt' position on Tinubu. While some of your reasoning in his defence seems acceptable, however permitt me to say that no true student of politics ever live to fight for man, rather the fight is over ideology. Thus it would be worthwhile if you expend that youthful vibrancy in making known the ideology Tinubu stands for and how this is reflecting in ACN, her goverment and ultimately the people be governed. Still I commend your effort, zeal and patrotism to the 'progressive train'.




Excellent!

ACN has no ideology and no outlook. They win elections because they, to their credit, have mastered the art of propaganda. They have used Awo's name better than anyone else in the SW. The PDP allowed them to hijack the name, unfortunately.

That is why I will always give credit to OGD during his first election campaign. he refused to allow Osoba have sole claim to awosism. He made it clear to everyone that he was much an Awosist as anyone else, and that Awoism isnt about party affiliation. it is an idea and a way of life that transcends partisanship.


Tinubu is a disgrace. A man of questionable background. Since he started public life, he is yet to write/pen something down. Awo, made his ideas known in the numerous books and articles he wrote. He proved himself to be very rigorous intellectually. Bola Ige wrote some many Op-eds for 20 yrs straight, intimating us of his belief and value

Tinubu on the other hand is yet to write "shi shi" down.

His claim to political relevance starts and ends with his supposed belief in 'Awoism;' Awosism without deep intellectual rigor, Awoism built on the foundation of fascism.

May God save us from this former drug lord!
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by Jarus(m): 9:39am On Jun 10, 2011
dayokanu:

I support Omatseyes write up

Anyone who dines with PDP is an enemy of the Yorubas

Much as I dislike PDP, I disagree with Sam Omatseye in that article. He was too hard on Awo family including use of uncouth words like 'dynasty curse' and 'Awo would have divorced the woman' etc. Also, he makes it look as if the only way can be Awoist is to be a member of ACN or associate with Tinubu.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by Nobody: 9:44am On Jun 10, 2011
Jarus:

Much as I dislike PDP, I disagree with Sam Omatseye in that article. He was too hard on Awo family including use of uncouth words like 'dynasty curse' and 'Awo would have divorced the woman' etc. Also, he makes it look as if the only way can be Awoist is to be a member of ACN or associate with Tinubu.

The only way you can be Awoist is to dissociate yourself from PDP.Awo wouldn't do what his wife is doing now.Remember what happened in 1960 ? Huh
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by Wizardofoz: 9:56am On Jun 10, 2011
~Bluetooth:

The only way you can be Awoist is to dissociate yourself from PDP.Awo wouldn't do what his wife is doing now.Remember what happened in 1960 ? Huh


What is the definition of Awoism?

how do you see it?
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by EkoIle1: 10:15am On Jun 10, 2011
Omo_Tier1:



@ Eko Ile, can I kindly suggest that you soft pedal on your 'beyond doubt' position on Tinubu. While some of your reasoning in his defence seems acceptable, however permitt me to say that no true student of politics ever live to fight for man, rather the fight is over ideology. Thus it would be worthwhile if you expend that youthful vibrancy in making known the ideology Tinubu stands for and how this is reflecting in ACN, her goverment and ultimately the people be governed. Still I commend your effort, zeal and patrotism to the 'progressive train'.


I don't do sentiments, I'm a realist and my realistic sense is yet to fail me. What I type on NL about Tinubu has nothing to do with any kind of defense on behalf of the man, I basically call it the way I see it. I'm not ignorant, an illiterate or a rumor monger. Give me something concrete that depicts Tinubu as a thief or whatever labels people throw around against him, I'll be upfront leading the charge against him, but till then, let's leave the silly and time wasting sentiments alone and deal with what's real.

The issue with the Tribune started a long time ago and I'm sure a lot of people on NL like most issues concerning Lagos state, Tinubu and others in the southwest hardly pay attention.

Awolow's family led by HID set up their tents under the PDP umbrella which is OK, it's a free country after all, but the fact is, this woman, her family and their newspaper teamed up with and enabled the kinds of characters that we all know Awolow despised and fought against for so many decades till he died to oppress and set back the people of the SW for 12 long years, they also used the newspaper to attack and suppress opposing views in the SW which is what they are doing to the ACN and it's leaders. They are political activists working for the PDP.

With the last elections and based on what HID and her PDP benefactors did to the people of the SW, the people of the SW gave their votes to the ACN led by Tinubu hence their attacks against Tinubu even way way before the elections, the Tribune publish PDP propaganda everyday, but did Tinubu cry? Did Tinubu sent the Nation after them? No.

Now, back to the article they are crying over.

Tinubu did not write the article

The article did not attack Awolowo

The article did not attack HID

The article did not attack the family

The article basically illuminated people's concerns about the family's contrary Awolowo's ideal

About Tinubu, I see him as a disciplined and formidable leader, getting rid of the ruling party with their power of incumbency and resources out of the SW was not a walk in the park. From the choices he's made as the governor of Lagos state by refusing to bow down and hand over Lagos to the PDP, to using his wisdom by handing over to Fashola, to fighting the PDP and claiming back Ekiti and Osun and finally claiming back every inch of the SW, to giving the people of the SW a renewed hope for a better future and the fact that so far, he's yet to make the wrong decision on behalf of his people, I'll keep counting on his good judgment.

Obviously, a lot of people have their gripes about the man based on silly, petty and tribal BS, but I can't deal with such time wasting nonsense.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by zstranger: 10:28am On Jun 10, 2011
Eko Ile:



Tinubu did not write the article

of course not. He didnt complete his education  because he lacks the ability to write and articulate his ideas. How could he have written that article. He  does not have a WASSCE certificate to his name. Talk about a graduate of GCI Ibadan.

One GCI graduate used his knowledge from GCI to win a Nobel, the other, used the same knowledge to build a drug empire.

The article did not attack Awolowo

Duh, they claim to be Awosists, why would they attack Awo.

interesting logic form Iragbiji ile. Ediot!

The article did not attack HID


"I wrote once that this woman whom Awo once described as the jewel of inestimable value has lost value to his cause. If he came back to life, he would have committed the extraordinary act of divorce after death.   .   . "

I guess that is a compliment to you.

No wonder your mother is a slut and would have been divorced if only your father knew better.


The article did not attack the family

What do you call these:

"The only person that made a real try was Awolowo-Dosunmu in the early 1990s and she lost roundly. She was accused of trying to ride her father’s coattail."

"The Awo son that many expected to take after the father was Olusegun, who unfortunately died in a car crash. We shall never know if he could have pulled it off.  But the others have not shown much of the paterfamilias’ brio and depth. In the past decade, under this republic, they have blended with the wrong crowd. Even H.I.D, hobnobbed with Alao-Akala, who brought illiteracy to governance; with Oyinlola who turned the grace of office into a hell-hole of despots; with Daniel who could not arrest his quick fall into megalomania."

"The so-called real Awolowos who bear his surname cannot come up for mention. They are Awolowos but not Awoists. They stabbed their father in the back. They have committed ideological parricide."






The article basically illuminated Tinubu's anxiety about the family's contrary Awolowo's ideal







Fixed!
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by EkoIle1: 10:37am On Jun 10, 2011
^^^^^^^Ignored, I can't be bothered with juvenile, gutter and vulgar rants.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by OmoTier1(m): 10:51am On Jun 10, 2011
I think the article in itself was uncultured, and uncalled for! To say the least that the handy work of Tinubu (least by a proxy)is not over that article is an interesting mind set. The writer knows his pay master and he genuinely did his bidding.

But the question I keep asking myself is this; How does the average Nigerian stand to gain in all of these? Would it not have served the writer right if he had meticulously esponged the ideals and ideological path of AWO and contrast that with what is currently being obtained in the zone and allow the public to judge, whether the family and others who claim to be awoist has since left that path.

Then again I ask the question: What is Awoism and how does it fit into the ultra modern Nigeria of our dream? Two most important policies one can identify with Awoism that benefit the masses is;
1. Free education -wonder how many ACN controlled states offer free education)

2.Highly government subsidized healthcare as obtained in social Britain - Again, how many ACN states offers this?

Then is left to be asked the question; What is the AWOISM in ACN -"our" beloved party?- or is it just because those who form the party leadership 'think' they represent progressives, hence AWOISM, without really offering the people what Awo offered the West and Mid Westeren region?
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by EkoIle1: 10:54am On Jun 10, 2011
Way back in march.



Tribune needs help


Like Awo, he has formidable financial muscle and deploys the power of the media skillfully to actualize his political objectives. If I were in the PDP’s shoes, I would feel jittery about Tinubu. He is a veritable political Jagaban. But if the PDP carries out its reported plan to arrest him in the run up to the elections on trumped up charges, they would help in further lionizing Tinubu just as they did Awo. He would assume a larger than life image. Rather than hurt the ACN electorally, such blatant intimidation will mobilize passionate support for the party particularly in the south west. The PDP strategists should read, once again, the political history of a region famously described by Professor Mackintosh as the ‘cockpit of Nigerian politics’.

But then, how do we place the role of the Nigerian Tribune, the paper established by the great Awo 62 years ago, in all this? How is it that the paper has become one of the most vicious weapons against a man who best exemplifies Awo’s values in contemporary Nigerian politics? The inimitable columnist and scholar, Dr. Olatunji Dare has brilliantly traced the illustrous history of the Tribune in sharp contrast to its present editorial policy. I am however reluctant to believe that the editors and journalists at the Tribune necessarly have anything personal against Tinubu. I know many of them as brilliant and competent professionals. What then has gone wrong? Why should a newspaper founded by the country’s foremost advocate of federalist democracy now become the mouthpiece of a ‘mainstream’ philosophy that has over the last eight years grossly underdeveloped a region that, under Awo, was a beacon of light for Africa?


First and foremost, Mama HID Awolowo is incapacitated by age, Chief Wole Awolowo is largely a-political and no member of the family has taken an active interest in politics since Dr. (Mrs.) Olatokunboh Awolowo-Dosumu’s brief foray into the turbulent terrain in the aborted Third Republic. Secondly, the newspaper was affected by the crack within the progressive fold that resulted in the late Chief Bola Ige joining OBJ’s administration and ultimately the PDP Tsunami that swept through the south west in 2003. Not only did the wily OBJ give some of Awo’s children political appointments, even the most reactionary of the PDP governors became emergency Awoists and courted the family at every turn. Thirdly was the political economy of media survival. The PDP-controlled states in the south west naturally effectively utilized the weapon of advert patronage.

Now that the spirit of Awoism is resurgent in the south west, the temptation to antagonize the Tribune must be resisted. Whatever may be its current lapses, the newspaper still symbolizes Awo’s enduring vision. It is part and parcel of the history of the south west and cannot be allowed to wither. Asiwaju Tinubu and the progressive governors of Lagos, Ekiti, Osun, Edo and Ondo states must constructively engage both the Awo family and the Tribune management. They must be shown the absurdity of lending their illustrous family name to the same political forces that tried to erase Awo’s imperishable legacy in the south west. The Tribune must be helped to re-discover its true voice. It must be helped to thrive as a living testament to Awo’s undying spirit.

http://www.thenigeriandaily.com/2011/03/19/tribune-needs-help/
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by EkoIle1: 11:03am On Jun 10, 2011
Omo_Tier1:

I think the article in itself was uncultured, and uncalled for! To say the least that the handy work of Tinubu (least by a proxy)is not over that article is an interesting mind set. The writer knows his pay master and he genuinely did his bidding.

How often do you rad the tribune? You ever bothered by the daily attacks against Tinubu and the ACN, even the one written today while crying about some write up against them?

Was it cultured to call Tinubu a felon and all the other derogatory lables? Who made Tinubu a felon? HID? The Tribune?

I think your outraged is too mono and misguided.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by zstranger: 11:20am On Jun 10, 2011
Eko Ile:

How often do you rad the tribune? You ever bothered by the daily attacks against Tinubu and the ACN, even the one written today while crying about some write up against them?

Was it cultured to call Tinubu a felon and all the other derogatory lables? Who made Tinubu a felon? HID? The Tribune?

I think your outraged is too mono and misguided.


You are so daft!

Tinubu is a politician and the Tribune has every right to criticize Tinubu.

HID Awolowo, the Yeye Oba of The Source, the Yeye oodua of Yorubaland is a deity, NOT A PHOCKING POLITICIAN.

She has stole no one's money. She welcomed Amosun to her house during his electioneering process, just like she did to every one else. She is not a card carrying member of PDP. She has every right to welcome OGD and PDP to her house. After all, Awoism is an idea that transcends petty partisanship

Geddit!

If this is how you treat the elders in your family, then I am not surprised you see nothing wrong in that article.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by zstranger: 11:23am On Jun 10, 2011
Eko Ile:

How often do you rad the tribune? You ever bothered by the daily attacks against Tinubu and the ACN, even the one written today while crying about some write up against them?

Was it cultured to call Tinubu a felon and all the other derogatory lables? Who made Tinubu a felon? HID? The Tribune?

I think your outraged is too mono and misguided.

Isnt he? He plead Nolo contendere to a drug charge?

What else do you need?

Yes, he is a felon!
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by EkoIle1: 11:35am On Jun 10, 2011
zstranger:


You are so daft!

Tinubu is a politician and the Tribune has every right to criticize Tinubu.

HID Awolowo, the Yeye Oba of The Source, the Yeye oodua of Yorubaland is a deity, NOT A PHOCKING POLITICIAN.

She has stole no one's money. She welcomed Amosun to her house during his electioneering process, just like she did to every one else. She is not a card carrying member of PDP. She has every right to welcome OGD and PDP to her house. After all, Awoism is an idea that transcends petty partisanship

Geddit!

If this is how you treat the elders in your family, then I am not surprised you see nothing wrong in that article.


1. Tribune has every right to criticize, but not to call them names, that's very personal and bad journalism

2. Criticizing and attacking are 2 different things. Even a day old baby sabi the difference.

3. HID is a politician and a political activist and the rest of her family too and according to them, they are with the opposition and they not only associate with the PDP, they do the PDP's dirty work by using their newspaper to attack the opposition everyday

5. Yoruba people say "ti agb ko ba so ara e, wo ma fi wo le ni" If the adult doesn't act like an adult, they will mop the floor with him/her.

Btw, . GEJ welcomes Tinubu to his house all the time, but that does not mean GEJ is a card crying member of the ACN.


Obviously, you are not only daft, you are way way worse than I thought.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by EkoIle1: 11:41am On Jun 10, 2011
zstranger:

Isnt he? He plead Nolo contendere to a drug charge?

What else do you need?

Yes, he is a felon!


I need you to show me that court record.


Btw, no contest is not an admission of guilt. It simply means you do not want to contest the charge.


Ignorance is disease. You are not only daft, you are ignorant too.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by EkoIle1: 12:01pm On Jun 10, 2011
No show I guess.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by OmoTier1(m): 12:22pm On Jun 10, 2011
@Eko Ile,
Lets leave the shaff and hold unto the grains.Insults doesn't help and I think it maybe wise to highlight and articulate your contrary opinion from zstranger's post than trade insults.

As to the question you posit, I stopped reading the Tribune simply 'cos thier journalism has fallen and thier write ups are always overly bias. I also observed they were often  pro-PDP when issues of such are written about.

Again, on issue of ideology, I was waiting on you to articulate the ideology difference of ACN, Tinubu and how it rubb offs will help restore Nigeria.
I do not think trading words about who a man was/is will help anybody - in this case Tinubu vs Awo vs HID, rather what each stands for is what should be the focal point of this discussion.

My submission that the article was uncultured was simply down to seemingly logical conclusion based on "illogical assemblage of dismembered invented facts" by the writer.I summed it up as uncalled for 'cos the bidding of the article -in my own opinion- was praising singing at HID's immediate family expense, which he could have done withouter referencing such.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by EkoIle1: 12:45pm On Jun 10, 2011
Omo_Tier1:

@Eko Ile,
Lets leave the shaff and hold unto the grains.Insults doesn't help and I think it maybe wise to highlight and articulate your contrary opinion from zstranger's post than trade insults.

As to the question you posit, I stopped reading the Tribune simply 'cos thier journalism has fallen and thier write ups are always overly bias. I also observed they were often  pro-PDP when issues of such are written about.

Again, on issue of ideology, I was waiting on you to articulate the ideology difference of ACN, Tinubu and how it rubb offs will help restore Nigeria.
I do not think trading words about who a man was/is will help anybody - in this case Tinubu vs Awo vs HID, rather what each stands for is what should be the focal point of this discussion.

My submission that the article was uncultured was simply down to seemingly logical conclusion based on "illogical assemblage of dismembered invented facts" by the writer.I summed it up as uncalled for 'cos the bidding of the article -in my own opinion- was praising singing at HID's immediate family expense, which he could have done withouter referencing such.


I see what you're saying, many of these NL characters are not interested in any kind of serious debate, all they have to work with is lies, rumors, hate and innuendos.

The fact is, I'm glad the writer raised the issue against the Awolowo family because people have been tip toeing around this issue and so afraid to touch it simply because of Awolowo and his legacy, but we can not have the same newspaper Awolowo started doing the bidding of the same elements Awolowo fought for so long.

Are we supposed to keep looking the other way and let them destabilize the SW on behalf of their PDP paymasters? The people of the SW picked the ACN and Tinubu, it's a done deal and attacking the ACN and Tinubu means they are attacking the people of the SW.

About ideologies, we can not keep holding on to the realities of decades ago under Awolowo, things have changed and policies have to be constructed to reflect today's realities?

ACN's manifesto as it affects the common man in the SW remains the best pro people agenda in Nigeria based on infrastructural development, education and economic empowerment. I'm not under any kind of illusion that the ACN will deliver 100% everything they promised because many tolls of development like uninterrupted power supply is not under their control, but we've seen what they are able to do in Lagos and plan to do in other states.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by step1: 1:03pm On Jun 10, 2011
zstranger:


You are so daft!

Tinubu is a politician and the Tribune has every right to criticize Tinubu.

HID Awolowo, the Yeye Oba of The Source, the Yeye oodua of Yorubaland is a deity, NOT A PHOCKING POLITICIAN.

She has stole no one's money. She welcomed Amosun to her house during his electioneering process, just like she did to every one else. She is not a card carrying member of PDP. She has every right to welcome OGD and PDP to her house. After all, Awoism is an idea that transcends petty partisanship

Geddit!

[b]If this is how you treat the elders in your family
, then I am not surprised you see nothing wrong in that article.[/b]

Very Very Good answer. This people have no ounce of Yoruba in them. Being yoruba is not about name but also about the culture or ideology.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by ektbear: 1:11pm On Jun 10, 2011
Three comments:

1. How on earth did Mama Awolowo become a "deity?" What on earth did she do to get to this status? Even Awolowo is not that in my eyes, not to mention his wife. Criticizing her and the family is fine, but the rude language Omatseye used is not.
2. Regarding the ACNs political views, they seem to be (A) fiscally leftist on most issues, (B) pro-business/private sector on others, and (C) fiscally federalist. I have no clue why anyone will say that they are empty of ideas or have no platform. Means you've not really been following recent events in Lagos and other states, I guess?
3. Tinubu is not a felon. We know he settled out of court on his money laundering case. If he was ever convicted of a felony, provide evidence.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by OmoTier1(m): 1:27pm On Jun 10, 2011
ekt_bear:

Three comments:

1. How on earth did Mama Awolowo become a "deity?" What on earth did she do to get to this status? Even Awolowo is not that in my eyes, not to mention his wife. Criticizing her and the family is fine, but the rude language Omatseye used is not.
2. Regarding the ACNs political views, they seem to be (A) fiscally leftist on most issues, (B) pro-business/private sector on others, and (C) fiscally federalist. I have no clue why anyone will say that they are empty of ideas or have no platform. Means you've not really been following recent events in Lagos and other states, I guess?
3. Tinubu is not a felon. We know he settled out of court on his money laundering case. If he was ever convicted of a felony, provide evidence.
Think anybody thinking HID is a diety is going overboard.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by step1: 1:34pm On Jun 10, 2011
ekt_bear:

Three comments:

1. How on earth did Mama Awolowo become a "deity?" What on earth did she do to get to this status? Even Awolowo is not that in my eyes, not to mention his wife. Criticizing her and the family is fine, but the rude language Omatseye used is not.
2. Regarding the ACNs political views, they seem to be (A) fiscally leftist on most issues, (B) pro-business/private sector on others, and (C) fiscally federalist. I have no clue why anyone will say that they are empty of ideas or have no platform. Means you've not really been following recent events in Lagos and other states, I guess?
3. Tinubu is not a felon. We know he settled out of court on his money laundering case. If he was ever convicted of a felony, provide evidence.

1. She is not a deity per say she is metaphorically called a "deity" by zstranger to explain her importance or "the awo family's" importance in Yorubaland.

2. Is it not obvious they are short of ideas. What did Tinubu do in his terms as the governor ? Dapo lets be realistic ACN is afloat in Lagos because of fashola alone.

3. His files were with Ribadu but Ribadu stu.pidly threw it away in the hope that Tinubu would make him the president which he did not deliver.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by ektbear: 1:44pm On Jun 10, 2011
step1:

1. She is not a deity per say she is metaphorically called a "deity" by zstranger to explain her importance or "the awo family's" importance in Yorubaland.
I have never been a man to hero worship families. That we respect and admire Awolowo doesn't even mean that he is not above criticism. Or are we saying that he is infallible, or not a human being?

The same is doubly true for his family. Why is his family above criticism?

With that said, I don't agree with the rude language Omatseye used. He made it too personal with the divorce stuff, imo. . . that crosses the line.


2. Is it not obvious they are short of ideas. What did Tinubu do in his terms as the governor ? Dapo lets be realistic ACN is afloat in Lagos because of fashola alone.
Heh. I don't know, I didn't follow Nigerian politics closely from 1999-2007. But I know that Lagos State could not have become the 5th largest economy in sub-Saharan Africa during Fashola's tenure alone. So Tinubu's tenure couldn't have been completely disastrous.

Regarding ideas and policies, even as far back as 1999 Tinubu introduced this PPP idea with the 270MW he wanted from Enron. Though this failed to some extent (the power was not allocated to Lagos, but was shared nationally), is this not show far more creativity than most other governors in Nigeria, even at the time? Compare this to the failed Tinapa, for example undecided



3. His files were with Ribadu but Ribadu stu.pidly threw it away in the hope that Tinubu would make him the president which he did not deliver.
He either is a felon or he is not. There is no intermediate status; it is binary. He has not been convicted of a felony in the US or in Nigeria.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by 2mch(m): 3:44pm On Jun 10, 2011
zstranger:

[size=15pt]it will be mentioned that he deployed not only his barren intellect, but his miserable soul solely to the cause of the brigand, Bola Tinubu[/size]. Tinubu has no pedigree; he belongs to the class of criminals immolated in the days of yore, but who, by the accident of history, have now found themselves in the commanding heights of timed power.

Before another sentence, let’s provide a background. Bola Tinubu, sole proprietor of the ACN, was once at the Tribune House, Ibadan. [size=15pt]Mission: to buy over the Tribune management in the service of his political agenda[/size]. He had already compromised the Lagos newspapers, and anyone in doubt should ask why The Nigerian Tribune  has, by the grace of God, remained the only paper in the country to report the judicial atrocities going on in the country on his behalf, his (Tinubu’s) case with the EFCC and allied issues. [size=15pt]Should the Tribune join Tinubu’s empire, we’d also begin to carry the kind of stories which said Alao-Akala had fled the country after Ajimobi’s inauguration, even while the former governor was in the church opening his mouth as wide as he was wont to, in praises to God in Ogbomosho, less than 300 kilometres from the printing room of their medium.[/size] We would have glossed over the carnage unleashed by ACN brigands in Akwa Ibom  State, and Tribune editors would get the kind of salaries paid Omatseye and others from the money paid by the Lagos State government on a monthly basis into the coffers of Tinubu’s company, Alpha Beta, or its sister company in Osun State, Infinity Concept.

He was told off. That Tinubu, like a pampered child, did not get his desired candy as he imagined in capturing the Nigerian Tribune did not go down well with him. And then came The Nation and its onslaught on the Nigerian Tribune.  Mission: to get the Tribune out of the way so that Emperor Tinubu can take over the nation.


Yet, try as he may, Tinubu will never become Yoruba leader. He will remain the felon, the brigand that he has always been, until his cup is full.
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Tinubu attempting a hostile takeover of the Tribune. Go to beg and bribe under the cover of darkness and come out to shout like a saint during the day. This is who people are dying to believe in? what a shame. So ACN is a machinery like this? A real propaganda machinery. Even Ajimobi is in on the action. Looks like we may be in for a lot of hot air in the next 4 years. A lot of praise singing while Tinubu robs us dry.  grin cheesy shocked. Asiri tu. People that live in glass houses should never attempt to throw stones. shocked
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by Wizardofoz: 4:25pm On Jun 10, 2011
So Tinubu owns INFINITY CONCEPT?


This guy do go sha, maybe make me sef join Tinubu.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by EkoIle1: 4:52pm On Jun 10, 2011
I really don't think the guy went deep enough with his write up, these clowns look for trouble and they got one. It's a new order and they and their PDP paymasters have to deal with it.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by EkoIle1: 4:54pm On Jun 10, 2011
ekt_bear:

Three comments:

1. How on earth did Mama Awolowo become a "deity?" What on earth did she do to get to this status? Even Awolowo is not that in my eyes, not to mention his wife. Criticizing her and the family is fine, but the rude language Omatseye used is not.
2. Regarding the ACNs political views, they seem to be (A) fiscally leftist on most issues, (B) pro-business/private sector on others, and (C) fiscally federalist. I have no clue why anyone will say that they are empty of ideas or have no platform. Means you've not really been following recent events in Lagos and other states, I guess?
3. Tinubu is not a felon. We know he settled out of court on his money laundering case. If he was ever convicted of a felony, provide evidence.


They don't know the difference, they are ignorant illiterates.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by Wizardofoz: 4:58pm On Jun 10, 2011
Eko Ile:

I really don't think the guy went deep enough with his write up, these clowns look for trouble and they got one. It's a new order and they and their PDP paymasters have to deal with it.

What else should we expect from Tinubu? His book? TIN: The The Autobiography of Asiwaju Bola Tinubu? Path to Lagos Freedom?Towards socialist/ABC/Infinity Concept democracy?

“For all his success at recent elections, true and close followers of Papa know that he is no Awolowo. Sadly, he has begun to evoke what Nikita Khrushchev described as “The cult of the individual”.[size=18pt] One way to look at it is that he is a supplanter, who has acquired a signature cap, got the ‘Awo glasses’ and even an ‘Asiwaju’ title[/size]. He is widely reported to have carefully crafted his identity to suit his ambitions, and has managed to convince many that he has evolved into who Awolowo was.

http://www.compassnewspaper.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7729:awos-granddaughter-tinubu-a-supplanter&catid=308:headlines&Itemid=600

Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by dayokanu(m): 5:18pm On Jun 10, 2011
Jarus:

Much as I dislike PDP, I disagree with Sam Omatseye in that article. He was too hard on Awo family including use of uncouth words like 'dynasty curse' and 'Awo would have divorced the woman' etc. Also, he makes it look as if the only way can be Awoist is to be a member of ACN or associate with Tinubu.

Awo is known to be fervent in the advancement of the Yoruba cause and you can be an Awoist by aligning with OBJ, Bode George, Omisore, OGD, Adedibu, Akala etc.

Omatseye was on point, Awo is not alive but we know what he cannot stand. Awo would have excommunicated Ebenezer babatope for the Abacha rendezvous, Awo would have reprimanded anyone who romanced with any of those PDP rogues

I agree with Omatseye on all counts even on his word usage
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by tpia5: 5:28pm On Jun 10, 2011
Omatseye was wrong in his choice of language and does he have a problem with marriage or why would he say awo should come back from the grave to divorce his wife.
Seriously, why do so many "youths" lack sense.

Won ti e moro so rara.

Having a typewriter doesnt automatically bestow sense on someone for real. There are more civil ways to get your point across and i still wonder if the whole thing is being staged.

Too much p.orn can do that to you i guess. Or living for nothing besides butts and ass.
Re: Yoruba Leaders Rally Round HID Awolowo by tpia5: 5:31pm On Jun 10, 2011
And i'm still waiting for evidence showing tinubu should be blamed for the write up.

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