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Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by alfredfrddy(m): 4:10pm On Dec 21, 2021 |
MisterKay321:Ore, don't let that discourage you. Even Jesus came to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel. God sad He allows all to grow together but he will someday sieve the tares fromthe wheat. No man can mock God as we will reap what we sow on the day of reckoning. Go and worship your God in the sincerity of your heart and pray he should have mercy on those who turn around from polluting his name. It is well. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by alfredfrddy(m): 4:12pm On Dec 21, 2021 |
airsaylongcome:People there still keep God's sabbath. Appetite (what to eat and wear) is what will lead many of us astray if we don't seek for GOod earnestly. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by alfredfrddy(m): 4:17pm On Dec 21, 2021 |
PeaceJoyLove:Ore, this is not a fight that you claim those who worship on sabbath violate it does not mean that the sabbath rules apply only to them or that God has changed his sabbath. Besides the sabbath, there are 9 other commandments and a violation of one is tantamount to a violation of all and ALL OF US are guilty of this violation with nobody left out bu if we sincerely seek God's face, He will forgive and blot out our sins. Can you show us the biblical prrofs that the sabbath has been changed as you claim. Please these texts disproves your claims and if you come up with any concrete bibilcal proofs, i will join your church cos i am in dire search for the TRUTH. Acts 17:1-3; Acts 13:13-15, 42-44; Acts 16-11-13, Acts 18: 1-4 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by alfredfrddy(m): 4:21pm On Dec 21, 2021 |
McBishop2020:i am interested in knowing such cultures, ore. They only count their market day to the best of my knowledge. God is so interested in his 7th day sabbath and that is his proof for his creation work. Ezekiel 12:20, Isa 66:23 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by alfredfrddy(m): 4:25pm On Dec 21, 2021 |
sunny4day:Ezekiel 12:20, Isa 66:23, Acts 17:1-3; Acts 13:13-15, 42-44; Acts 16-11-13, Acts 18: 1-4. Bring it on 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by alfredfrddy(m): 4:26pm On Dec 21, 2021 |
PointZerom:Study Mark 15:42 to Mark 16:1-4 carefully 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by Singlenhappy(f): 4:27pm On Dec 21, 2021 |
Solofresh2:how does your question make a Christian live a victorious life. Defending your religious doctrine every is a nuisance. Keep sabath fanaticism! |
Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by ArcSEMPECJ(m): 4:28pm On Dec 21, 2021 |
alfredfrddy: Seriously I have no such issue......Atimes it does us well to keep focused than gather confusion. |
Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by alfredfrddy(m): 4:31pm On Dec 21, 2021 |
uthlaw:All the activities of the life of Jesus was never documented as such singing and dancing (moderately) in church doesn't make anyone less of a christian. Read Luke 4:16-24 to find out that Jesus was contantly in the church doing his fahter's business. Let's be guided so that God's wrath will not fall on us. Ignorance is not an excuse. you can access the bible even on your phones. |
Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by airsaylongcome: 4:33pm On Dec 21, 2021 |
alfredfrddy: Even our Good Lord said the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. Besides I'd like to know how they keep the Sabbath in Saudi Arabia when you have to be at work by 8am on Saturday |
Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by alfredfrddy(m): 1:26pm On Dec 22, 2021 |
airsaylongcome:we will have to ask those who live and work there but I'm sure that to work on sabbath is not a do or die affair. That's where choice comes in. |
Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by alfredfrddy(m): 8:52am On Dec 26, 2021 |
Reno has said the correct thing. 1 Like
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Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by Raymondfayowole(m): 2:35pm On Dec 26, 2021 |
alfredfrddy: Okay. Let's get some things clear First you are saying the disciples came together for a ordinary meeting and not for worship. That's false bro Disciples came together on the first day of the week to "break bread". "Breaking bread" is likely a reference to the Lord's Supper in 1Co 10:16-17. The church at Corinth was coming together to eat the Lord's Supper, though they were abusing it in 1Cor 11:17-22. Instructions concerning the collection suggest their coming together was on the first day of the week - cf. 1Co 16:1-2 Secondly, Paul utilized the Sabbath during his evangelistic efforts - Ac 13:14,42,44; 16:13; 18:4. It was his custom whenever he came to a new city - Ac 17:1-3 He knew the Jews would be there, and he sought to teach them about Jesus Just like he went to the market place to reach others - Ac 17:17 Same Acts 13 you quoted, if you read vs.45, the Jews were filled with envy because of the crowd Paul and Barnabas were able to pull because of thier teaching. The Jews spake against the teaching of Paul saying it was contradicting and blasphemy. Just read the entire chapter for better understanding. Paul taught that the Law of Moses, including the Sabbath, had come to an end. That Jews died to the Law when they became Christians - Ro 7:4-7 That Jesus ended the Law with its ordinances through His death - Ep 2:13-16; Col 2:14. That the Law and ordinances like the Sabbath and circumcision should not be bound on others, especially Gentiles - Col 2:16-17; Ga 5:1-4 That a new, superior covenant had replaced the old - 2Co 3:6-11; cf. He 8:6-13; 9:15 alfredfrddy: We read same bible right? Lets focus on the bible first before we talk about history and personal opinion. |
Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by phemmyfour: 9:51am On Dec 27, 2021 |
alfredfrddy:You're quoting the old testament when you have improved instructions as given by Jesus in the new testament. No day is meant for work or rest anymore as declared by the Lord of the Sabbath Jesus Christ The Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?” [Jesus] answered, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.” Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.” Mark 2:24-28 The Sabbath was given to ENFORCE worshipping of God at least a day in a week for Israelites. As a Christian, who has a better understanding and relationship with God, you don't need LAW/ENFORCEMENT or a Dedicated day to know that you need to worship your God |
Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:05am On Dec 27, 2021 |
Solofresh2: I want you to know that there is a reason for each law but i will go straight for the one you specifically mentioned in this thread: SABBATH GOD gave the Israelites this law to teach them that living creatures are liable to die young when they work throughout without rest: "Six days do your work, but on the seventh day do not work, so that your ox and your donkey may rest, and so that the slave born in your household and the foreigner living among you may be refreshed" Exodus 23:12 So after the coming of Christ true worshipers knew the purpose for the Sabbath which is "find time for sacred services and for rest" once this has been settled there's no need for such law again in pure worship! Colossians 2:16-17 May you have PEACE! |
Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by alfredfrddy(m): 1:22am On Dec 31, 2021 |
Raymondfayowole: 1. Breaking bread has nothing to do with the Lord's supper. Please show me their biblical relationship. As acts 2:46 explains that breaking bread means eating ordinary food with no extra connotation and in acts 20:7 states that preached while they are their food. 2. 1Cor 11:17-22. was particular about abusing the Lord' supper and not the bread they break daily (food) 3. That Paul told them in 1Co 16:1-2 to gather what they had on the first day of the week does not in anyway mean he instructed them to worship on that way as that was not their custom. Besides, I want to be believe he must have made that statement in the church on the sabbath that they should gather and keep what they had on the the first day of the week. He couldnt have said that during service on sunday morning. 4. Secondly, Paul utilized the Sabbath during his evangelistic efforts - Ac 13:14,42,44; 16:13; 18:4. It was his custom whenever he came to a new city - Ac 17:1-3. Bros. please don't bring human wisdom here. The bible never told us that worshipping on the sabbath as his custom in new cities. Are you trying to say that even Jesus only kept the sabbath as a custom in new cities? I fault you on this big time. 5. He knew the Jews would be there, and he sought to teach them about Jesus Just like he went to the market place to reach others - Ac 17:17. You made this seem like they were only going to the synagogue just to argue with the Jews on the sabbath and not to worship and teach what was the truth, right? This is so wrong. 6. Same Acts 13 you quoted, if you read vs.45, the Jews were filled with envy because of the crowd Paul and Barnabas were able to pull because of their teaching. The Jews spake against the teaching of Paul saying it was contradicting and blasphemy. Just read the entire chapter for a better understanding. Yes, they were angry because Paul's teachings exposed their infamous lies and gimmicks . 7. Paul taught that the Law of Moses, including the Sabbath, had come to an end. That Jews died to the Law when they became Christians - Ro 7:4-7. This is a lie from the pit of Hell. If it is not, why is killing, adultery, idolatry, stealing, dishonor, covetousness regarded as sins today even in our societal laws? He invariably told us that without law there will be no sin so if the law point to sin in our lives, then by believing in the power of Christ's resurrection from death, that sin should die in our lives so that we can bear good fruits. Please, read those verses again with different versions of the bible if possible. He even asked "is the law sin?" and his response was God forbid. 8. That Jesus ended the Law with its ordinances through His death - Ep 2:13-16; Col 2:14. That the Law and ordinances like the Sabbath and circumcision should not be bound on others, especially Gentiles - Col 2:16-17; Ga 5:1-4 That a new, superior covenant had replaced the old - 2Co 3:6-11; cf. He 8:6-13; 9:15 Are you circumcised? What are the ordinances? They do not refer to disobedience to God's law but the rituals (animal sacrifice) and practices of men (Col 2:22) that the teaching and the death of Christ had abolished (Col 2:17). Paul never condemned the circumcision of the skin but he rather said the circumcision (the cleansing through the blood of Christ) of the heart was more important to the Gentiles who did not believe in the circumcision of the foreskin nor the sabbath, nor did they regard what was clean and unclean. Mind you, these people were just evangelized to as such Paul cautioned that as born again or newly born babes in the Lord, they should not be bothered with the Jewish laws as they will learn and grow with time. Ga 5:1-4, here he told us that fleshly circumcision is not a ticket to heaven nor salvation. Not a bad thing in itself but one can still go to hell after the circumcision of the flesh. 9. He 8:6-13; 9:15. Can you please clearly differentiate between the old and the new covenant? the next in Hebrew says the old law was written on stones and since our father disregarded it out of ignorance, making excuses since the table of stones were not in their hands as at when they broke the laws of God, and God did not overlook and killed them (for the wages of sin is death). Now he said in the new covenant (those same was that were written on stones) will now be living in our hearts (correct me if i am wrong) so that we cannot claim ignorance as God will not overlook them. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by alfredfrddy(m): 7:00pm On Jan 02, 2022 |
phemmyfour:I'm sure you the sabbath law was not a stand alone law. So, if you're saying we don't need any law to know the day of worship then stealing, murder, fornication, having other gods should not be a sin. Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.” Mark 2:24-28 By that statement, Jesus was only trying to let them know that they bothering people with traditions and rituals on the Sabbath that God did not send them. The Sabbath was made for man to enjoy and not to be a burden to man. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by phemmyfour: 7:21pm On Jan 02, 2022 |
alfredfrddy:You are missing the bigger picture. Even fornication/adultery and murder were modified This is what Jesus said concerning them Mt5:21 You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, a and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister b c will be subject to judgment Vs 27-28 You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ e 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart Vs31-32 It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ f 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. Mt15:19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders You can see that emphasis was on the state of the HEART than the ACT itself as they were in Old testament. The Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?” [Jesus] answered, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.” Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.” Mark 2:24-28 |
Re: Why Do Christians Worship On Sundays? by Raymondfayowole(m): 10:47am On Jan 03, 2022 |
alfredfrddy: I want to plead with you, please read the bible passages I quoted. You can also do more research before replying...because you are just shooting yourself in the foot. Please look at the bolded words. Also try to make it easy for me to read like spaces in between. I will bring the bible passage here, because it seems you don't read it: 16. The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? 17. Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread. 1 Corinthians 10:16-17 In Acts 2:42 we must understand the context or the sense which, when he wrote, It can have no meaning less solemn than the commemorative “breaking of bread,” of 1Corinthians 10:16. You need to do your own research to understand that "breaking of bread" in Acts 2:42 is different from "Breaking bread from house to house" in Acts 2:46. Please do your research...google is your friend...Please check notes of these bible passages to get the relationship. So in Acts 20:7 you concluded from your own mind that while they were preaching they ate their food... You funny bro. If you read the notes on the first part of that verse you will see a direct relationship to these verse (1 Cor. 16:2; Mark 16:9; John 20:19; Rev. 1:10 Acts 20:7) further explaining why Christians are to meet on the first day of the week and history of how the disciples met on the first day. Please again, do your research and don't expose yourself. Regarding sabbath and 1cor 16:1-2. I will also bring the bible passage here for you to read, It seems you don't read the passages. 1. Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. 1 Corinthians 16:1-2. It was order bro...The order was definitely given by the Apostle in person when visiting these churches (Acts 18:23). I told you Paul utilized the Sabbath during his evangelistic efforts as It was his custom whenever he came to a new city...You said I was bringing in human wisdom. No I was not. Please read Acts 17:1-3. or better still I will put it here because I know you won't read it. 1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews. 2 And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.” Acts 17:1-3 Note that Jesus taught in the synagogues on the Sabbath day also His actions sparked controversy, allowing His disciples to pluck grain in order to eat and healing on the Sabbath. (Mk 1:21, Mk 2:23-24, Mk 3:1-6). The reasons for all these was that the Law of Moses was still in effect prior to the death of Christ and as an Israelite, Jesus kept the Law (along with the Sabbath). He displayed authority to forgive sin and interpret the Law - Mt 9:6; 12:8 alfredfrddy: Please read the bible passage below... 5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. Romans 7:5-6 The Law had just been described as stimulating and exciting “the motions of sins.” Was this true? Was the Law really immoral? No, that could not be. Nevertheless, the Law is not actually immoral, but it is near being made so. It is not itself sin (sinful), but it reveals, and so in a manner incites to, sin. In Col. 2 that you quoted, did you read the part where Sabbath was regarded as shadow of the things to come? He 8:6-13; 9:15. Can you please clearly differentiate between the old and the new covenant? Yes, I will. The Old Covenant was established between God and the people of Israel after God freed them from slavery in Egypt. Moses, who led the people out, served as the mediator of this contract, which was made at Mount Sinai. (Exo 24: God issued the Ten Commandments and the laws in Leviticus to be obeyed by the Hebrews. To address the people's sins, God set up a system of animal sacrifices, in which the people provided cattle, sheep, and doves to be killed. Sin required blood sacrifices....Please do your research. I can't possibly put everything here. New Covenant: That system of animal sacrifice lasted hundreds of years, but even so, it was only temporary. Out of love, God the Father sent his only Son, Jesus, into the world. This new covenant would resolve the problem of sin once and for all. Jesus taught throughout Israel about the kingdom of God and his role as Messiah. To support his claim as Son of God, he performed many miracles, even raising three people from the dead. By dying on the cross, Christ became the Lamb of God, the perfect sacrifice whose blood has the power to wash away sin forever. The Old Testament covenants establish promises that look forward to fulfillment. Much of the New Testament is concerned to show how Jesus Christ fulfills these covenant promises and what life should look like for a people living in the New Covenant inaugurated by his death and resurrection. By even calling the promised covenant "new", God made the first covenant obsolete, the death of Jesus rendered the sacrifices of the first covenant unnecessary. The first covenant had its laws written on tablets of stone; the new covenant is one that requires God's laws be written in our hearts. LOVE is the fulfilling of the law. Romans 13:8-10 8. Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. We no longer need commandments written on tablets, we no longer need 10 commandments before we can love our neighbor. We are talking about genuine love. Love that comes from the heart. 30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” Mark 12:30-31 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." Mk 22:40. Please read the bible passages and do your research. PLEASE |
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