advanceDNA:
It’s just a law to protect women... if you can be accused of rape by just touching...then u will be more careful....

Still, I understand your position....the law always has loop hole, so women may use this wrongly accuse men including their husbands....

The good thing is the law is double edged....
so don’t touch any woman including your wife... if she touches you, you can sue her too or go with flow if you don’t give consent for sex....

I believe it’s a law that will allow more self control... kapish...

Modernizer:


ok.

so do you feel prenuptial signed agreements that define clearly certain things in the home can work? i feel like if she signs that whenever she willingly brings herself to my bed, she is indicating consent for touching , it could help cure this madness. some women may try to trap one into touching by presenting their seductiveness at close range.

please dont mind me ...make all of us follow crase for this kind law

advanceDNA:



Lol... u shouldn’t take this too far..but I understand shaa...

Signed agreements can work...that’s allowed in law ...It will undoubtedly help eliminate some vagueness and ambiguity....

CCTV can also be added, to prove she came to your bed.. lol..,

Modernizer:


My dear...I will add everything including cctv, hidden sound recorder, signed agreement, etc. To sit down and allow someone I invited into my own life to ruin me is not an option at all.

advanceDNA:


You are crazy man.... laff don kill me here

kurupt1:
These simp men in power that are drafting these laws need to be hanged

Mercychen:
Prenuptial agreement? Without any legal backing? Its still going to be the same thing because if a spouce decides to report any "inappropriate" touch, the court will still come in since they do handle cases of spouses who did not even get married in the registry. So, I don't think it will work (@prenuptial agreement) or hold much especially in this country where priorities are highly misplaced.
Total waste of time.

I just believe love and understanding should rule between couples so we don't get to wash our dirty linen in public.

As a woman, the worst I'll do if I feel hubby is touching me "inappropriately" is take off until he's gotten a hold of himself.

Funnily enough, they didn't tell us or list the types of touch that are deemed innapropriate. Hian! I tire for this country o.

So far, the only thing I can term innapropriate is when he tries to touch you with dirty hands in sensitive areas. which I believe you can tell him or her to do well to wash and sanitize their hands.... abeg this thing the govt is trying to bring up is just so personal, childish and lame.

Piptocoin:
The law is an ass. However, the law does not only protect women as some speculate but the would-be victim of the rapist whether the rapist is a man or woman, husband or wife.

Did anybody read where it is said that the term 'rape' has been expanded to mean inappropriate touch by any gender? This is not limited to the marital institution. It is a general crime. This I approve of wholeheartedly. The extent of dehumanisation to which the female gender have been subjected by men on this basis is grossly despicable. This will teach some manners.

Again, women are their own worst enemy. Women, predictably, will abuse this opportunity which has amplified their scope to falsely accuse men, and as such the provisions of this law should be amended to include false accusations attracting equal penalty as the rapist who is found guilty of rape.

Modernizer:


ok.

so do you feel prenuptial signed agreements that define clearly certain things in the home can work? i feel like if she signs that whenever she willingly brings herself to my bed, she is indicating consent for touching , it could help cure this madness. some women may try to trap one into touching by presenting their seductiveness at close range.

please dont mind me ...make all of us follow crase for this kind law

tamdun:

Make I sign before I Bleep my wife

Modernizer:


Ok.

What do you think about my idea of a Prenuptial agreement in which a woman agrees that bringing herself to my bed effectively gives me consent to touch her.

We can't just allow women to have this poorly worded law tgat empowers them to throw accusations anyhow?

If she signs that, then she knows that if she doesn't want touching, she should stay away from my bed

Piptocoin:


In other words, does mutual consent give the licence to commit a crime? I think not. There is now a paradigm shift in what constitutes rape and this has a domino effect on other aspects of relations between the genders. Women are as much empowered as they are equally on the receiving end. Just imagine, most women rely on their feminine charm which include seduction and touching to get favours from men. How will they cope with the VAPP law?

Modernizer:


were saying the same thing.

my aim is to prevent an unfair weaponization of this law against me. period.

if everyone could be trusted to be fair, there would be no need for this.

butbseeing how desperate gold diggers have ruined lives in the past....id say no need to take chances

Modernizer:
So, there's this new VAPP law, which is said, seeks to expand rape to include inappropriate touching of a spouse.


This is the link to the thread...
https://www.nairaland.com/6915574/husband-touching-wife-inappropriately-rape


Potentially long jail terms are in the offing, and the vagueness of the law makes it all but impossible that people would run four of it.

The burden of proof is reduced to a voice evidence from the accuser that they were touched inappropriately, and a valid and Potentially strong rape case is in the works.


This is clearly a matter that could have far reaching consequences for family life. I personally don't see how this law can be a good thing. But you're entitled to your opinion.


What I'm after in this thread is to explore ways in which the effects of this law can be mitigated or eliminated.

First of all, i have a question, marriages not contracted under common law, what is their status? Are they subject to some of these laws? Church marriage without registery involvement can issues around it be taken to courts?


Secondly how does a signed agreement by both parties at the outset of the marriage help ? Like say I tell my wife you have to sign that whenever you bring yourself to my bed you have automatically given me consent to touch you how I like.


Could such prenuptial agreements help us exercise control over these types of satanic laws?


I really think marriageis trying to go extinct despite all efforts to save it.

Time will tell.


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Modernizer:

Potentially long jail terms are in the offing, and the vagueness of the law makes it all but impossible that people would run four of it.

The burden of proof is reduced to a voice evidence from the accuser that they were touched inappropriately, and a valid and Potentially strong rape case is in the works.

Kobojunkie:
Where is the detail of the law which you claim is vague?

Show us say you don't in fact peruse the actual details of said law and are not here to spew your uneducated opinions at us.

Provide link or copy and paste the actual details so we can see for ourselves and go from there.

Modernizer:
this is the link to the original thread i responded to.

of course its not a copy of the law but enough is said in it to stimulate discussion

Kobojunkie:
So, you have not yourself seen the details of the law as well, but instead here to argue blindly against it too?

Modernizer:
How many laws you talk about here did you go to study the wordings first....

If you can't get the gist of the law from that article...then you're being hypocritical