Quiny32323:
Stalin and Russias obsolete ammunitions where no match to Hitler's arsenals believe me, so many things contributed to the nazi loosing, you must also admit that Soviet union recorded the highest number of casualties during the war.

* the winter, war fatigue and the fact that nazis where fighting at different fronts where the ultimate cause of nazis losing the war. The germans where really smart,intelligent and vicious soldiers with their top notch arsenals. Talk about the u boat, their fighter jets and tanks where on another level.

Quiny32323:


Dont read from one source, russia didn't push the Japanese anywhere. The same russia that sign a peace pact with japan in 1941 couldn't have pushed japan to surrender, was more of a proxy war. Japan was overwhelmed by the usa nuclear bomb and the destruction of one of their biggest war ship by the americans and if not that the Japanese over estimated their power by attacking the pearl harbour, they would have routed russia out of south east asia or anywhere close to asia.japan was another power to behold but like the nazis where intoxicated with power n where over ambitious also.

Quiny32323:


Dont read from one source, russia didn't push the Japanese anywhere. The same russia that sign a peace pact with japan in 1941 couldn't have pushed japan to surrender, was more of a proxy war. Japan was overwhelmed by the usa nuclear bomb and the destruction of one of their biggest war ship by the americans and if not that the Japanese over estimated their power by attacking the pearl harbour, they would have routed russia out of south east asia or anywhere close to asia.japan was another power to behold but like the nazis where intoxicated with power n where over ambitious also.

Idiko1:


It was mother nature and pressure exerted on the Nazi from the western front which saved St Petersburg. Russia was like Poland and other fallen European countries which could not withstand the speed of technologically advanced Nazi forces.

MangekyoAlt:

Soviet troops outnumbered the Nazis 4 to 1. The Nazis were so out of manpower that they even forced old man to take up arms. The red army had them by their balls. Alied troops being in Germany or not had no effect.
Red army won the Nazis single handedly

tutudesz:

Soviet won because of allied troops simple. Nazis were never scared of Soviet, because they occupied 80% of their lands.
D-Day success was the turning point in the war, Nazis started withdrawing troops from Soviet front to fight allied forces and that gave the Soviet troops the chance to recapture and advance.
So allied forces played a major role, even Soviet Union never denied that.

MangekyoAlt:

I'm sorry but you sound stupid. Soviet had turned the tide of the war even before USA entered the war.
D-day? Now don't be retařded. D-day was a battle that took place in France to liberate them from the Nazis that had garrisoned there. How does that relate to soldiers in USSR? USSR singlehandedly beat the 3million troops, (infantry alone) that attacked them, and chased them all the way back to Berlin liberating ukraine, Poland and others on the way.

tutudesz:

Soviet won because of allied troops simple. Nazis were never scared of Soviet, because they occupied 80% of their lands.
D-Day success was the turning point in the war, Nazis started withdrawing troops from Soviet front to fight allied forces and that gave the Soviet troops the chance to recapture and advance.
So allied forces played a major role, even Soviet Union never denied that.
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/big-three

MangekyoAlt:


You're a fool. A big one. Soviets had beaten them back to Germany. They had 3milliin, not even tanking mechanised units ready for the last assault.

Allied forces brought troops to occupy the other part of the germany only when the Germans had been had on their balls by the soviet yet you believe they're the reason why they won.

If you believe that, then you should also believe that Japan's defeat was because of the soviet union. Since Japan only agreed to surrender after USSR attacked them with 1.5million minus mechanised units.

If you agree to this, then I'll agree with the nonsense you put up there

tutudesz:

I guess you never heard of the big 3 before
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/big-three
Guy throwing insults will not change history, so grow up

MangekyoAlt:

Since you're informed, tell me who informed you. Did you read it in a book, or you watched it in a documentary?.... I want to knw

tutudesz:

Japan surrender after America dropped the second bomb and not because of Soviet

MangekyoAlt:

You seriously need to learn how to read, not just that but also to know how to comprehend what you read.
The big 3 alliance was only formed in 1944, well past after USSR had chased Nazis out of USSR, and even Poland. This alliance was cemented after the meeting, it is in that meeting that Stalin agreed to join them in their war against Japan.

Also, Japan and Germany were allies. Japan and Germany never fought side to side through out the war.

While USSR and USA became allies in the closing stage of the war, they only fraught as a joint team after the Soviets had beaten the Nazis back to Germany and weakened them all by themselves. All what USA did was clear out the troops in some Eastern Germany, Britain too western Germany, while USSR took southern Germany and Berlin where most of the Nazi troops were because they wanted to protect their capital

MangekyoAlt:


Japan did not surrender after USA dropped the bomb. God arguing with you is just making me annoyed. You're so dumb. After USA bombed Japan, Japan told USA that they would only surrender if their president would be allowed to keep his position as president but USA said either unconditional surrender or nothing. Japan was still fighting on.
Soviet union then attacked Japan from the north. Japan immediately surrendered after that because they knew Stalin would annex the all the lands he manages to conquer in Japan and that is why they surrendered.
You're just reading Wikipedia and debating me go read some actual history book you dumb fűck.

https://www.indepthnews.net/index.php/opinion/3758-soviet-advance-not-u-s-atomic-bombings-forced-japan-to-surrender

maestroferddi:
It is trite that Berlin was severely straffed before the land takeover of the Red Army....

You can't be debating a basic fact of the closing stages of the Second World War....

It is there in every reliable history book.

tutudesz:

Guy stop embarrassing yourself online, the main reason was to avoid a third bomb
https://www.carnegiecouncil.org/education/008/expertclips/010

Gadafii:
The Soviets couldn't have won the war without the help of the west, even great Britain, after the rains of bomb Hitler delivered on London and other strategic cities couldn't wage an all out war against Germany, the great Britain was merely defending it territories.

While the German was sweeping thru Europe, especially in France, British soldiers sent there to help stopped Hitler were all nearly killed in Dunkirk, after the fall of France, they had to be ferried out of France hurriedly, Hitler had the man power, the machine and the spirit of motherland in his soldiers, he could have won the war, but poor military calculation, lack of fuel, and constant interference mared his missions in Soviet Union.

Stalin did a wonderful job stopping Hitler just some kilometers from Stalingrad, but he has technically overpowers by Hitler, because as at then, Hitler had more technically advanced weapon than any nation, they had the tiger tank, the Panthers etc, these tanks were beats, only the US something close.

And lastly, thru lend lease, the US shipped thousands of war crafts, grains etc to Russia, to help them in their campaign against the axis, when Hitler was finally defeated in the battle of the bulge.
The war was both won by the Soviet and the west, but the Us played more vital roles in the war

MangekyoAlt:

No, Berlin wasnt staffed. It was other parts of Germany. Allied troops DIDN'T reach Berlin before the red army.

Taking Berlin wasn't a joint operation between the USSR, Britain and USA. It was only USSR that attacked, conquered and took Berlin.

If truly allied troops had been attacking Berlin before red army got there, there's noway they would've allowed red army to just March in a take over what they didn't rightfully conquer

MangekyoAlt:

Your answer is even in this screenshot you just dropped Lmao do you even know how to read? Or you're just a dumb ass?
Im done replying you for real

maestroferddi:
Just read this na ...

No need arguing over factual things accessible via every history book worth its place on a bookshelf.

MangekyoAlt:

No, Berlin wasnt staffed. It was other parts of Germany. Allied troops DIDN'T reach Berlin before the red army.

Taking Berlin wasn't a joint operation between the USSR, Britain and USA. It was only USSR that attacked, conquered and took Berlin.

If truly allied troops had been attacking Berlin before red army got there, there's noway they would've allowed red army to just March in a take over what they didn't rightfully conquer

MangekyoAlt:

While I'm arguing with you, I still stand to be corrected. I've read so many history books and im willing to read the one you read that told you that allied forces had been fighting in "Berlin" and not "eastern and western Germany".
May I have the name and author?

tutudesz:

Guy stop fooling yourself read what happen step by step
Soviet attacked came 1st, before the dropping of the second bomb
https://www.history.com/.amp/this-day-in-history/japan-surrenders

maestroferddi:
Just read up the battle of Berlin on Wikipedia here ...

Straffing is air bombardment....

Infact, the degree of air borne demolition was so severe that the Western powers especially Britain were utterly criticized for damaging Berlin in retaliation for the Luftwaffe campaign in London.

The Red Army met the least resistance in the conquest of Berlin:Prior to the entry into the city, the morale of the remaining German soldiers sank to an all-time low because the city had literally been pulverized by Allied air power.

MangekyoAlt:

You're jumping from one site to another just to prove your point. You've referred me to more than 4 sites now after I've debunked you on almost all of them.
This would be my last reply to you and I hope it's enlightens you.
The site you quoted for me last didn't go into details.
On August 8, USSR declared war on Japan. On August 9, USA dropped nuclear bomb on Nagasaki. But they didn't surrender after that, as its written on that site. On 12 August, user attacked Japan (after declaring war on 8th). They attacked from 3 positions, simultaneously. After the attack, on 14 August, Japan surrendered. Their surrender was 5 days after the bombing of Nagasaki and 2 days after the attack by the red army. This should explain exactly who caused them to surrender except you're just dumb.

BTW, the way you're going about from website to website, it is obvious you've not even touched any book on ww2. Maybe you just hate reading. Let me give you link that would cover everything in just a few paragraphs. It contains declassified documents too. https://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk/soviet-japan-and-the-termination-of-the-second-world-war/
Go read and enlighten yourself

MangekyoAlt:


Here it is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Berlin

No such thing happened like that I'm sorry.

But don't feel bad. I know of the battle you're talking about. I've read about it before. It is the bombing of dresden, not Berlin. I hope you correct yourself

maestroferddi:
Ogbeni read up the Allied bombing of Berlin especially the RAF here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Berlin_in_World_War_II

MangekyoAlt:

Great but still irrelevant. The Soviets delivered a payload that was greater than those of the allied forces (USA, Britain, and France combined).

maestroferddi:
Like seriously, are you not wasting my time?

I am not in competition with you on who pastes the highest number of reference websites....

Just accept that your attempt at misinformation has been rightfully shot down...

Encirclement pertains to ground warfare and as I have earlier stated, the Red Army met an emasculated or weakened army which was easy to defeat...

Get your bearings right....

Mangekyo:
Would the west have had the audacity to move an Inch towards russia if Joseph Stalin was still alive? The current Russian strongman, Vladimir Putin is a hard man no doubt but he's child when. compared to Stalin; the man who dealt with Hitler and his lapdogs and still went on to end the world War 2.

Would they have contemplated taking actions that could provoke and undermine the security of the Russian people if Stalin was still alive today?

Cc; Emae009, seunny4lif

Detuner:



Was it not the Red Army that handed the Nazi their first defeat in Operation Barborossa?

Was it not also the Red army that destroyed the strongest German Army and division; Army Group B and the 6th Panzer, in Stalingrad ?

Fact is, no nation contributed more to the defeat of Nazi Germany than Russia. US and British contributions are meagre and overrated by hollywood and western propaganda. The number of Russians that died during the siege of Leningrad alone, are more than the number of US and British deaths combined throughout the war. It was russia that single handedly wiped out the core of the German Army (Army Group A, B and C) in Battle of Kurtz, Stalingrad, and liberation of Leningrad, while British and US where dragging there feets about opening a second front, to "easen" the burden on Russia. Even Stalin was pissed-off and couldnt hide his frustration on why the allies for conveniently dragging its feets, at the detriment of russian lives. By the time the so-called allied invasion of Normandy occured, the Russians have successfully wiped out the core of the German Army. Sending a Nazi soldier to the russian front was every Nazi soldiers worst nightmare.

Fact is, it was Russia that did the bulk of the fighting with the Nazis, British and US just rode the wave thereafter. Infact, Neither British nor US posed a significant threat to Hitler. Hitler's biggest obstacle was Russia. He knew all he had to do was defeat russia; US and Britain would come to the negotiating table as France did. For he knows, unlike Russia, huge lost of lives would create great political turmoil in those two countries. And he's right. Had US or Britain lost a quarter of lives Russia lost, both countries would have waved the white flag or disintegrated. The fact that Communist russia saved "Democracy" from Nazi Germany is still a bitter pill to swallow. Hence, through propaganda and hollywood, US, British, and the "free world" contributions were grossly exaggerated, at the expense of Communist Russia.