cornelboy:


You think men of adulterous mind won't do anything to satisfy their lustfully desire even if women dress like masquerade? No!

What bout the women covering themselves head to toe, you think that stop them from lustful desire or getting pounded?

The fact is provocative and revealing dress can Instigate one to want to commit sin. As true christians we learn how to dealt with this by following Christ teachings and the Bible. For example, Jesus said mere looking lustfully at a woman, one has commit adultery...i have been able to use this control myself by not looking too much.

Another thing is, if we saw a woman, naked, fully covered or half stripped, must we take sinful actions?

The word of God, the Bible, is a tool we must use to control ourselves.

Mohammed actually accidentally saw Zaynab face and got attracted to her. Later on, the all gracious Allah hastily revealed the verse to Mohammed permitting him to marry Zaid's divorcee.
Is the all glorious koran really a book written and sealed in heaven before it was sent down?
Cos it seems most of koran verses favors Mohammed....

Matthew 5:32
[32]But I say that a man who divorces his wife, unless she has been unfaithful, causes her to commit adultery. And anyone who marries a divorced woman also commits adultery.

Zaid caused Zaynab to commit adultery
Zaynab committed aldultery
Mohammed committed adultery

Is the god of Jesus same as god of Mohammed

Conclusion:
Nothing can hold a man/woman of unguided adulterous mind/heart from getting "things" done.

AntiChristian:


Can you give any authentic evidence that Muhammad saw the ladies face and was attracted to her?

I will like to have the reference for the wordings as you used it here.

Jehovah witness can tell big lies like this!

BornofGod108:
TROUSERS MAKES WOMEN NAKED!
WHY?


THE SHAPE OF HER PRIVATE PARTS ARE SEEN, THE SIZE OF HER BUTTOCKS, LAPS AND WAIST ARE SEEN! That is immorality!
But what actually made you to wear trouser as a woman? I don't want to be raped. Raped? How can trouser prevent men from raping you, if actually they want to do so? Is that the glory of God? Is that the glory that covered the man and his wife in the garden of Eden?
Haven't you seen women raped while on trousers? Haven't you!
Stop it today! Stop that thing! God is not happy with you when you're defiling the streets and churches with your seductive trousers. It makes you look like a harlot, it gives you the name of a harlot, it's inglorious and corrupt!
And as you're walking, checking everything; boys will be dying and some okada men would forget themselves because of you! Some would be lusting at that very moment, while some would be calling you "hot baby, baby di ok, flesh tomato, my love", some brave touts would even want to go close to you, to touch your buttocks, even though you're running and trying to remove their hands from you, they would still pursue you... Shameless woman!
Yes, you stirred them up to lust and inordinate affections, so they must act like animals. You tempted them, so they must react!
But why must you perish? That you're not ashamed of unclothedness... Even you married woman, your male children are seeing the size of your buttocks and waists, evil! And after you expect them to be sex-free? Virgins? That's impossible.
Look at that picture, is that a godly picture? All these bun-short, leggings and trousers women are wearing are sinful. Burn all those trousers, set them on fire.
To show how dead and adulterous our generation is degrading to, women will wear their inner tights on the public... I mean those black tights, that gums their bodies, these dirty women will wear it publicly, dead and hellish! Men-slayers.
Harlots! Harlots in the church! Harlots in the streets altogether will descend in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone.
Burn those trousers, including those tight fitting skirts and dresses. Why must your breast protrude out? Why do you want people to see that your buttocks are big? That buttocks will be set in the fire of hell!
But my Bishop says "it is not a sin, as long as I have a clean heart, I will go to heaven". Which heaven? This holy heaven? Come and go, let me see. "God looks in the heart and not what you wear" is their deceiving language. Change!

TruthinAction:
So, you don't have the right to condemn women putting on trousers. The Bible never condemned it either.

Even under the Law of Moses, when women were told not to put on men's wear, there were no trousers those days. Men wore skirts.

Besides, the present day church is not under the Law of Moses.

cornelboy:
Before i answer you, which of Islam do you practise? Sunni, Shia, ahmadiyya, bahau'llah?

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, according to the God of the Christians , what you eat/ingest/consume cannot defile you.

Many are exposed to pornographic materials on a regular basis, and I am talking unbelievers here, and live regular normal lives - uncorrected- , no different from that of those who claim to believe in God. Then there are those who consume the same materials, and make gods of them in their lives - also unbelievers.

What you consume only has the impact you allow it have on your life. You are ever in control as far as how much power you chose to give to those filthy ideas you have in your mind. You decide whether those things will shape your thoughts or not. And the Christian God calls for His followers to always rise above those urges.

2. Well, the story does not state that that particular occasion was her first time bathing at that spot neither does not tell us that Bathsheba was the only woman who bathed at that spot even on that particular moment David spotted her.

AntiChristian:
1. Your own belief but definitely not what is in tandem with that story of David and Bathsheba. We are not created equally. Some have more sexual urges than others.

2. I know the story didn't state such. The inference that can still be drawn accurately from the story is that David became interested in her when he saw her nude. He many never know her if she was not seen there nude.

TruthinAction:


Indecent dressing is not limited to trousers. What about women who put on mini skirts, see through skirts and open breast blouses?

So, the issue is not trousers but about decency. Women can put on trousers and still be decent. And I have seen so many women decently dressed in trousers.

So, you don't have the right to condemn women putting on trousers. The Bible never condemned it either.

Even under the Law of Moses, when women were told not to put on men's wear, there were no trousers those days. Men wore skirts.

Besides, the present day church is not under the Law of Moses.

BornofGod108:

female trouser is an indecent dress!

AntiChristian:


Can you give any authentic evidence that Muhammad saw the ladies face and was attracted to her?

I will like to have the reference for the wordings as you used it here.

Jehovah witness can tell big lies like this!

AntiChristian:

Can you give any authentic evidence that Muhammad saw the ladies face and was attracted to her?

I will like to have the reference for the wordings as you used it here.

Jehovah witness can tell big lies like this!

AntiChristian:


Rabb!

Rabb!

BornofGod108:




female trouser is an indecent dress!

cornelboy:


Who's the liar

I asked you "what is the general word for God in Arabic"
Your response:

After glancing through few sites, I found out that "rabb" is thew Arabic word for lord or master
What were you trying to do? You think I'm one of the gullible you can deceive?

I also confirmed that allah is the primary word for god and it was used by Jews and Christians before Mohammed.
And the fact that Mohammed's dad's name was Abdullah which means servant of allah, it proves that allah is not specific to the Muslims God.Apparently, Allah is not the proper name for God of the Muslims, your God doesn't have a name.

Unlike the God of the Hebrews that declared His name to Moses and the children of Israel, JEHOVAH

So Muslims can lie like this just like their prophet Muhammad

Conclusion:
Allah is a primary word for God.
Small gods can be referred to as allah and the God of the Bible can also be referred to as Allah in Arabic language

cornelboy:


The traditions state:
Muhammad Ibn Yahya Ibn Hayyan narrated, "The Messenger of God came to Zaid Ibn Haritha's house seeking him. Perhaps the Messenger of God missed him at that time, that is why he said, 'Where is Zaid?' He went to his house seeking him and, when he did not find him, Zainab Bint Jahsh stood up to [meet] him in a house dress, but the Messenger of God turned away from her. She said, 'He is not here, Messenger of God, so please come in; my father and mother are your ransom.' The Messenger of God refused to come in. Zainab had hurried to dress herself when she heard that the Messenger of God was at her door, so she leapt in a hurry, and the Messenger of God liked her when she did that. He went away muttering something that was hardly understandable but for this sentence: 'Praise be to God who disposes the hearts.' When Zaid came back home, she told him that the Messenger of God came. Zaid asked, 'You asked him to come in, didn't you?' She replied, 'I bade him to, but he refused.' He said, 'Have you heard [him say] anything?' She answered, 'When he had turned away, I heard him say something that I could hardly understand. I heard him say, "Praise be to God who disposes the hearts." ' Zaid went out to the Messenger of God and said, 'O Messenger of God, I learned that you came to my house. Did you come in? O Messenger of God, my father and mother are your ransom. Perhaps you liked Zainab. I can leave her.' The Messenger of God said, 'Hold on to your wife.' Zaid said, 'O Messenger of God, I will leave her.' The Messenger of God said, 'Keep your wife.' So when Zaid left her, she finished her legal period after she had isolated herself from Zaid. While the Messenger of God was sitting and talking with `A´isha, he was taken in a trance, and when it lifted, he smiled and said, 'Who will go to Zainab to tell her that God wedded her to me from heaven?' The Messenger of God recited, 'Thus you told someone whom God had favoured and whom you yourself have favoured: "Hold on to your wife." '`A´isha said, 'I heard much about her beauty and, moreover, about how God wedded her from heaven, and I said, "For sure she will boast over this with us." ' Salama, the slave of the Messenger of God, hurried to tell her about that. She gave her some silver jewelry that she was wearing." (Ibn Sa`d, al-Tabaqat al-Kubra 9 vols. [Beirut: Dar Sader, n.d. `Iyad, al-Qadi. al-Shifa fi sifat al-Mustafa. Beirut, 1980], vol. 8, pp. 101-102; Muhammad Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, Jami`al-bayan `an ta´wil al-Qur´an [Annals of al-Tabari], Edited by Mahmud Muhammad Shakir. 30 vols [Cairo, 1968], vol. 2, p. 452ff.)

And:

"He had occasion to visit the house of Zaid, and upon seeing Zainab's unveiled face, had exclaimed, as a Moslem would say at the present day when admiring a beautiful picture or statue, Praise be to God, the ruler of hearts! The words, uttered in natural admiration, were often repeated by Zainab to her husband to show how even the Prophet praised her beauty, and naturally added to his displeasure." (Syed Ameer Ali, The Spirit of Islam [Chatto and Windus. London, England. 1974 (1890)], p. 235;

TruthinAction:


That is your opinion. I don't agree with you. Joyce Mayer who is a female minister with very large congregation of about 20,000 members is mostly on trousers and she is decently dressed. Don't condemn those who Christ have accepted.

AntiChristian:


Good! Now give us the chains of narrations of this tradition you quote. This would show us it is authentic (saheeh).

That was a mistake which I have already modified. Rabb is Lord and ILLAHI is God/god/Deity. The Shahaada is Laa Ilaaha illa Allah which means there is no deity/god worth of worship except Allah.

Why would i intentionally deceive you on something that is online everywhere?

This is another blunder from you. Allah has many names of which are Allah, Ar-Rahman, Ar-Rahim, Al-Malk, Al-Quddus, As-Salam, and many more. All these are online just type names of Allah on google.

Jehovah is not even His name. It was translated as that some centuries ago!

AntiChristian:

BornofGod108:


it is not my opinion but God's word!

Thats a broadway church! forget the miracle she is doing for she is dishonourable vessel in hands of God - (2 Tim 2:20-21), she will not enter heaven except she repents and put of that attire of an harlot 2 Cor 7:1

TruthinAction:


This is dogma and not doctrine. You still don't have scriptures to back up your point. Not even Deuteronomy 22:5 supports you.

BornofGod108:



your unbelief does not stop it from being a sin! you shall get to know it at the day of God's judgement, but by that time it will be too late to change

cornelboy:


Your kidding right? I should bring chain of narration? lol.

I have brought what I wanted to bring.
It's left for you to prove that it's not authentic.
I can't be doing everything for you na.

cornelboy:

You really want me to believe that after being in Islam for many years and have fully learned the Arabic language?
Where did you modified it, did you qoute me and apologize for the mistake?

This your contradicting statement is something else. So you know that it's online everywhere but still have me false information.
Was that not on purpose

This are not even name but qualities attrubuted to your God.

Just like Jesus isn't Jesus's name because it was transliterated from yesua abi

Abdullah the father of your prophet worship which Allah?

It's actually online everywhere that Christians and Jews before Mohammed use Allah as Arabic word for God and that doesn't mean they are serving the Muslim god.

AntiChristian:


Without a valid chain of narration anything you quote outside the Qur'an is baseless!
So since you started the narration, do complete it.

cornelboy:


The narration I gave, is it valid? Are the references valid?

TruthinAction:


3. The church is not under the Law of Moses, no strict rules that has to do with outward appearance. The scripture only says we should avoid sins like fornication, adultery, lying, stealing etc.

4. Not even the letters of Apostle Paul or Peter refer to style of dress. They only caution women to be modest in appearance.

BornofGod108:


1Tim 2:9-10 and 1Pet 3:1-3 condemns jewelry and indecent dressing.Female trouser is indecent because TROUSERS MAKES WOMEN NAKED!

THE SHAPE OF HER PRIVATE PARTS ARE SEEN, THE SIZE OF HER BUTTOCKS, LAPS AND WAIST ARE SEEN! That is immorality!
But what actually made you to wear trouser as a woman?
in our society trousers is known as a masculine dress, and Deut :22:5 says any woman that put on masculine dress(Trouser) is an abomination in sight of God! even if you are a pastor

BornofGod108:


1Tim 2:9-10 and 1Pet 3:1-3 condemns jewelry and indecent dressing.Female trouser is indecent because TROUSERS MAKES WOMEN NAKED!

THE SHAPE OF HER PRIVATE PARTS ARE SEEN, THE SIZE OF HER BUTTOCKS, LAPS AND WAIST ARE SEEN! That is immorality!
But what actually made you to wear trouser as a woman?
in our society trousers is known as a masculine dress, and Deut :22:5 says any woman that put on masculine dress(Trouser) is an abomination in sight of God! even if you are a pastor

TruthinAction:

I am afraid of you. If those verses you quoted condemned jewelry, then it also condemned clothing for clothing was included in the list.
The street of heaven are made of gold.
Our Lord Jesus put on a golden belt in the book of Revelation. Men wore skirts at the time Deuteronomy 22:5:was written. Even at that, the Law of Moses is not binding on the church. The problem you are having is sin consciousness. I know you will also condemn Jesus for permitting a harlot to kiss him and pour perfume on him. I feel sorry for the bondage your Pastor has put you in

AntiChristian:


The reference is neither from Qur'an nor Hadith.

LilMissFavvy:
I would have refered you to the book of Timothy (ist Tim 2:9), but you are a Jehovah witness, and you people do not believe in the teachings of Paul/Timothy. Timothy clearly taught women to be dressed in MODEST APPARELS. Of course the picture above cannot be referred to as modest.

TruthinAction:


I am afraid of you. If those verses you quoted condemned jewelry, then it also condemned clothing for clothing was included in the list.

The street of heaven are made of gold.

Our Lord Jesus put on a golden belt in the book of Revelation.

Men wore skirts at the time Deuteronomy 22:5:was written.

Even at that, the Law of Moses is not binding on the church.

The problem you are having is sin consciousness. I know you will also condemn Jesus for permitting a harlot to kiss him and pour perfume on him.

I feel sorry for the bondage your Pastor has put you in