Jackanda1:
Almost you say. But they later settled for dialogue right? Is it not preferable to be angry and make threats instead of getting emotional and using violence?

Russia has been making threats for over 20 years and it appears NATO has gotten used to them being just threats.

This issue has been going on for longer than many of us think.

Russia was going to invade sooner or later.

Shoodboi:


Russia has been making threats for over 20 years and it appears NATO has gotten used to them being just threats.

This issue has been going on for longer than many of us think.

Russia was going to invade sooner or later.

True. Russia had to make good, on one of those threats some day so as to keep NATO on their toes and take them seriously.

Even, the Ukrainian comedian was doubting Intel at first and took Russia full invasion as just one of those empty Russian threats like in the past.

[quote author=yanabasee post=110969702]By the time Russia comes to it's senses... It must have done alot of damage to itself....


Putin will have all the blame... Even shutting Russians speaking up against it. And blocking foreign media as well.... [/quot

You don't know much about Russian history, Sanctions can stop Russia. In a matter of a week, the entire military operation in Ukraine, will be over by the time Kiev is surrounded the final onslaught will begin. total demilitarization of Ukraine.

dappydozzy:


You don't know much about Russian history, Sanctions can stop Russia. In a matter of a week, the entire military operation in Ukraine, will be over by the time Kiev is surrounded the final onslaught will begin. total demilitarization of Ukraine.

Since you've admitted that sanctions can stop Russia, then I'm satisfied.

alabo1:


At the end of the day a new world order will emerge. The West is just shooting itself in the foot. Oligarchs as they call them and all illicit billions generated will no longer be invested in their climes. What are they investigating? They already know who owns what.
However people like Abramovich and co will no longer invest in Europe it will go the the East or Africa and lastly south America.

Banning Russia from SWIFT will enhance their own alternatives which they have started using.

This I have seen.

Hahaha. You have seen nothing. Did the Abacha loot confiscated stop Nigerian politicians from investing their loots abroad? The world can't get tired of the West because of their liberal nature. It creates room and opportunity for all.

No be only new world order.

mcquin:


Hahaha. You have seen nothing. Did the Abacha loot confiscated stop Nigerian politicians from investing their loots abroad? The world can't get tired of the West because of their liberal nature. It creates room and opportunity for all.

No be only new world order.

They are only liberal when it suits them. This scenario makes it clear. Let's watch and see

alabo1:

They are only liberal when it suits them. This scenario makes it clear. Let's watch and see

Compared to China, Russia, North Korea, Iraq, Iran etc? Sir, with respect, do you know the meaning of a liberal nation?

mcquin:

Compared to China, Russia, North Korea, Iraq, Iran etc? Sir, with respect, do you know the meaning of a liberal nation?

Sir what do you understand by liberalism. China is the most liberal nation on earth. How many countries have they invaded? How many governments have they overthrown? Do they give you loans or sell you arms with conditions? My two cents

alabo1:


Sir what do you understand by liberalism. China is the most liberal nation on earth. How many countries have they invaded? How many governments have they overthrown? Do they give you loans or sell you arms with conditions? My two cents

My brother, check up the meaning of liberalism before coming on here to argue. Democracy is the benchmark of liberalism. You call a non-democratic State liberal. Can you challenge the Chinese president in court? Are human rights guaranteed in China as the U.S? There have been allegations of minority Muslims being harassed and assaulted in China, yet same cannot be said of the U.S where everyone's right is protected, muslim, hinduist, christian, atheist etc. Remind me the last time a black man, a Nigerian rose to a position of leadership in China, yet you have blacks, Nigerians being leaders in government in the U.S.

Oga check the meaning of liberal nation before coming out to argue. It's like saying China is a better democracy than the U.S when Nigeria is even a better democracy than China; atleast in Nigeria, every 4 years you are at liberty to choose your leader, but in China, you are stuck with one man.

mcquin:


My brother, check up the meaning of liberalism before coming on here to argue. Democracy is the benchmark of liberalism. You call a non-democratic State liberal. Can you challenge the Chinese president in court? Are human rights guaranteed in China as the U.S? There have been allegations of minority Muslims being harassed and assaulted in China, yet same cannot be said of the U.S where everyone's right is protected, muslim, hinduist, christian, atheist etc. Remind me the last time a black man, a Nigerian rose to a position of leadership in China, yet you have blacks, Nigerians being leaders in government in the U.S.

Oga check the meaning of liberal nation before coming out to argue. It's like saying China is a better democracy than the U.S when Nigeria is even a better democracy than China; atleast in Nigeria, every 4 years you are at liberty to choose your leader, but in China, you are stuck with one man.

My brother. Please what is democracy? Are we talking about Western definition of democracy as the only yardstick for defining it? A democracy is simply a representative government. In that light you can have a meritocratic democracy, you can also have a centralised democracy such as we have in China. Is it the fact that we have elections Evey 4:years that defines democracy? Do you know that in China there are elections for every position? From Council chairman to president? The only difference is that it is a one party system. That does not negate the democratic process. Nite that until our modern epoch all city stares were one party stated.
The allegations about human rights violations in China have not been proven. In fact the international Muslim body did a fact finding mission St the request of China and found no evidence. China has invited Western bodies to come and do the same and have been rejected. Why. Good for thought.

Let us broaden our world view please

alabo1:


My brother. Please what is democracy? Are we talking about Western definition of democracy as the only yardstick for defining it? A democracy is simply a representative government. In that light you can have a meritocratic democracy, you can also have a centralised democracy such as we have in China. Is it the fact that we have elections Evey 4:years that defines democracy? Do you know that in China there are elections for every position? From Council chairman to president? The only difference is that it is a one party system. That does not negate the democratic process. Nite that until our modern epoch all city stares were one party stated.
The allegations about human rights violations in China have not been proven. In fact the international Muslim body did a fact finding mission St the request of China and found no evidence. China has invited Western bodies to come and do the same and have been rejected. Why. Good for thought.

Let us broaden our world view please

Go back to your basic government. Democracy has its benchmarks amongst which are;
1. Separation of Powers.
2. Regular and Periodic Elections
3. Strong Institutions of Government.

Let's stay on those 3 first;
1. When was the last time you had presidential elections in China?

2. America's legislative organs are very distinct from the Executive with the legislative organ wielding powers that the president is subject to, please when have you heard of China's legislative arm or the arm overriding the Chinese president in decisions.
Who is the Chinese president accountable to atleast Buhari is accountable to the National Assembly here in Nigeria

I ask again, have you heard the Chinese or Russian president taken to court by their citizens or their decisions being challenged?

And YES, the WEST is the propagator of democracy. Russia and China are not Democratic states. Communism and Socialism reign supreme in both States. Get your facts right before opening up arguments on information that is in public domain and can easily be accessed otherwise people will think your argument as unintellelligent.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_China#:~:text=Currently%2C%20China%20is%20not%20a,is%20%22people's%20democratic%20dictatorship%22.

alabo1:


You have said nothing. Say some concrete so I will respond. As a double PHD holder in Sociology and Economics I await your response. Rubbish

Waoh, it's good to know that you have a PhD. You obviously think you're talking to a kid that you can intimidate. First, it's PhD and not PHD. Secondly, if you truly hold a doctorate in Economics, then you should ask for refund of your money. An undergraduate student wouldn't be that myopic to write that rubbish you did earlier.

alabo1:


You have said nothing. Say some concrete so I will respond. As a double PHD holder in Sociology and Economics I await your response. Rubbish

On the contrary, you are the one that said nothing. The only message you pass here is that you have a PhD which is not what we are discussing here. FYI, I also hold a PhD in Economics (game theory). What area do you specialize in?

mcquin:


My brother, check up the meaning of liberalism before coming on here to argue. Democracy is the benchmark of liberalism. You call a non-democratic State liberal. Can you challenge the Chinese president in court? Are human rights guaranteed in China as the U.S? There have been allegations of minority Muslims being harassed and assaulted in China, yet same cannot be said of the U.S where everyone's right is protected, muslim, hinduist, christian, atheist etc. Remind me the last time a black man, a Nigerian rose to a position of leadership in China, yet you have blacks, Nigerians being leaders in government in the U.S.

Oga check the meaning of liberal nation before coming out to argue. It's like saying China is a better democracy than the U.S when Nigeria is even a better democracy than China; atleast in Nigeria, every 4 years you are at liberty to choose your leader, but in China, you are stuck with one man.

Just forget about that guy. He claims he holds a PhD in Economics, yet he acts like a secondary school student. He knows absolutely nothing about international politics and Economics

alabo1:


You have said nothing. Say some concrete so I will respond. As a double PHD holder in Sociology and Economics I await your response. Rubbish

Chairman how far? Come let engage ourselves as scholars.

Triplerg:
On the contrary, you are the one that said nothing. The only message you pass here is that you have a PhD which is not what we are discussing here. FYI, I also hold a PhD in Economics (game theory). What area do you specialize in?

PHD in Sociology (Development Studies),Phd in International Economics. Throw the first salvo. I await

alabo1:


PHD in Sociology (Development Studies),Phd in International Economics. Throw the first salvo. I await

Just normal engagement, not throwing of Salvo. I think our conversation has been civil so far devoid of the usual tantrums found here. However, I still remain unconvinced about your PhD in Economics.