Robertgreene1:
Interesting...But the US nd NATO can both go to hell... Throughout the cold war era when the US through their CIA ND backed by the "west" were busy assassinating nd overthrowing any world leader that chose the path of the Soviet union's communism to their own capitalism...where was western propaganda nd morality back then?...how can the all good U.S be mudering world leaders ND orchestrating regime changes which resulted in brutal civil wars that killed millions of people all in the name of "fighting communism"...what nonsense!!!..How can u dictate to a sovereign nation whether they should practice state controlled Economy(communism)..or free market economy (capitalism)...is that una business..is it ur communism?...must a sovereign country practice una capitalism against the Soviet union's communism?...they did it in Vietnam causing more than 20 years of a brutal civil war that killed millions..they even used a chemical defoliant in vietnam which they euphematically called "agent orange"..which the citizens of Vietnam still suffer the effects till date...they did it in the congo in conjunction with Belgium (the colonial masters of the congo)...they orchestrated the overthrow ND assassination of Patrice Lumumba the first elected black prime minister of the congo..ND plunged the congo into several years of a very bloody civil war...they did it in Yugoslavia..they did it in Angola..they did it in virtually all nations of central America..in Guetamala.. Nicaragua...El_salvador.. Colombia..e.t.c..they funded different rebel groups to overthrow unfriendly and disloyal leaders of these central American nations at different times during the cold war era resulting in very long bloody civil wars that killed millions of innocent civilians just because of "bananas"...yes u heard me right.."bananas" or avnt you heard of "Banana republics"...the origin of which were the "Banana wars" fought by U.S funded rebel groups just for the control of the huge banana plantations owned by the big U.S conglemerate known then as "united fruit company" known now as "chiquita fruit company" across central America against various central American regimes that attempted at various times to nationalise and hence redistribute the large plantation lands owned by the "united fruit company" among their poor citizens...the US funded the "contras" in Nicaragua..the "farc" in Colombia e.tc...notorious rebel groups that committed countless crimes against humanity during the many decades they fought the central governments of most central American nations...They most recently did it in Iraq ND libya just cus of "Oil"
Infact mentioning all the bloodshed in history that have been orchestrated by the U.S will take forever...so let me just stop here for now...
Now Russia is fighting a "just war" of survival against what the U.S is cooking for them if Ukraine eventually joins NATO ND someone will not rest again from western propaganda.
Bleep the US..Bleep NATO..Bleep the west..they all bloodsuckers!!!
If the west still moves u with their propaganda then u not a good student of politics ND history
As 4 me..I'm a graduate of political science ND history..so I know the game too well 2 be moved by the west ND their dirty propaganda..

Things are changing now
And these ur epistles doesn't justify wharagbaya pitun is doing

ivandragon:
It would seem some persons are justifying Russian invasion of Ukraine because the West directly or indirectly propped up governments in the past...

How the condemned actions of US is now being justified for putin is ridiculous...

To start with, in the past, there was the cold War & Russia was very much involved on subterfuge & regime change as much as the US...

The Russians invaded (fully or partially) Afghanistan, Norway, Denmark, Hungary, Bulgaria, Austria, Czechkoslovakia, Korea, Ukraine to mention a few... some of these places, twice...

It has also supported regime change in countries like Mongolia, Spain, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Egypt, Vietnam, Angola, Congo, Kenya, Colombia, Somalia Iran & many other places...

Russia also trains & supports some terror groups...

So, those who point to atrocities of the West to justify the invasion of Ukraine should look into the Russian mirror...

Russia NEVER had black slaves nor did Russia create a market to trade black people.

Russia NEVER participated in the Berlin conference to share Africa like some piece of goat meat.

Russia NEVER colonised, underdeveloped and looted Africa's resources.

Russia NEVER enabled a safety net for African leaders to hide stolen funds, use these stolen funds to develop itself and then grant the same funds back to Africa as loans.

Russia never invaded and destabilized any African country

Those who did the aforementioned are the ones pushing the narrative that "Russia" has become the Boogeyman... Those who colonized and for about 100 years refused to share their technology with Africa want Africa to like those they like and hate those they hate.
Nah! Never again!

If Russia is the Boogeyman, then the west the devil himself �

NeoWanZaeed:
Telegraph..


Laughing


Fake News

Hope you will apologize to me when you find out it not fake.

olas24u:

Russia NEVER had black slaves nor did Russia create a market to trade black people.

Russia NEVER participated in the Berlin conference to share Africa like some piece of goat meat.

Russia NEVER colonised, underdeveloped and looted Africa's resources.

Russia NEVER enabled a safety net for African leaders to hide stolen funds, use these stolen funds to develop itself and then grant the same funds back to Africa as loans.

Russia never invaded and destabilized any African country

Those who did the aforementioned are the ones pushing the narrative that "Russia" has become the Boogeyman... Those who colonized and for about 100 years refused to share their technology with Africa want Africa to like those they like and hate those they hate.
Nah! Never again!

If Russia is the Boogeyman, then the west the devil himself �

. Exactly.

olas24u:

Russia NEVER had black slaves nor did Russia create a market to trade black people.

Russia NEVER participated in the Berlin conference to share Africa like some piece of goat meat.

Russia NEVER colonised, underdeveloped and looted Africa's resources.

Russia NEVER enabled a safety net for African leaders to hide stolen funds, use these stolen funds to develop itself and then grant the same funds back to Africa as loans.

Russia never invaded and destabilized any African country

Those who did the aforementioned are the ones pushing the narrative that "Russia" has become the Boogeyman... Those who colonized and for about 100 years refused to share their technology with Africa want Africa to like those they like and hate those they hate.
Nah! Never again!

If Russia is the Boogeyman, then the west the devil himself �

On point.

olas24u:

Russia NEVER had black slaves nor did Russia create a market to trade black people.

Russia NEVER participated in the Berlin conference to share Africa like some piece of goat meat.

Russia NEVER colonised, underdeveloped and looted Africa's resources.

Russia NEVER enabled a safety net for African leaders to hide stolen funds, use these stolen funds to develop itself and then grant the same funds back to Africa as loans.

Russia never invaded and destabilized any African country

Those who did the aforementioned are the ones pushing the narrative that "Russia" has become the Boogeyman... Those who colonized and for about 100 years refused to share their technology with Africa want Africa to like those they like and hate those they hate.
Nah! Never again!

If Russia is the Boogeyman, then the west the devil himself �

So because the 'slaves ' in the west were black, then the Russian slave trade can be ignored within the context of your position? Russia might not have dealt in black slaves, but they had one of the largest serfdom practice...

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/living-legacy-of-russias-slavery/

Russia participated in the Berlin conference & even signed the treaty, meaning it agreed to the sharing formula but it already occupied more than enough territories at the time & did not need any more at the time.

Russia didn't need Africa's resources... it had enough from territories it already annexed.

Russia propped up regimes in Uganda, Kenya, Somalia. Even today, they are in CAR...

... but wait, what is even your logic here? So because Russia didn't 'disturb' Africa, then it is right for them to invade a sovereign state?

ivandragon:



So because the 'slaves ' in the west were black, then the Russian slave trade can be ignored within the context of your position? Russia might not have dealt in black slaves, but they had one of the largest serfdom practice...

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/living-legacy-of-russias-slavery/

Russia participated in the Berlin conference & even signed the treaty, meaning it agreed to the sharing formula but it already occupied more than enough territories at the time & did not need any more at the time.

Russia didn't need Africa's resources... it had enough from territories it already annexed.

Russia propped up regimes in Uganda, Kenya, Somalia. Even today, they are in CAR...

... but wait, what is even your logic here? So because Russia didn't 'disturb' Africa, then it is right for them to invade a sovereign state?

How many nations have USA and nato invaded since 50 years.?

Kingsnairaland:


How many nations have USA and nato invaded since 50 years.?

One too many, but so has Russia...

And does that still justify Russia's military invasion of Ukraine?

ivandragon:


One too many, but so has Russia...

And does that still justify Russia's military invasion of Ukraine?

Now let go back to the root... Do you justify or surport USA and nato when they invaded those nations you call one too many.

Kingsnairaland:


Now let go back to the root... Do you justify or surport USA and nato when they invaded those nations you call one too many.

For majority of the invasions, no.

Back to you, did you justify or support Russia annexing countries by military force?

ivandragon:


For majority of the invasions, no.

Back to you, did you justify or support Russia annexing countries by military force?

For majority of the invasions, no.

[quote author=ivandragon post=111010415]


So because the 'slaves ' in the west were black, then the Russian slave trade can be ignored within the context of your position? Russia might not have dealt in black slaves, but they had one of the largest serfdom practice...

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/living-legacy-of-russias-slavery/

Russia participated in the Berlin conference & even signed the treaty, meaning it agreed to the sharing formula but it already occupied more than enough territories at the time & did not need any more at the time.

Russia didn't need Africa's resources... it had enough from territories it already annexed.

Russia propped up regimes in Uganda, Kenya, Somalia. Even today, they are in CAR...

... but wait, what is even your logic here? So because Russia didn't 'disturb' Africa, then it is right for them to invade a sovereign state?

[/quote
So how does the war affect you has an african ?are you thinking of that at all?i waht a world with different powers until such a time africans will also have power to be able stand and say no to many unfriendly offers such has foreced loans ,forced econonic theories,corruption ,divide and rule and all other vices that has hindered the growth of the continent..we must be see has partners and not servants.we have the resources and should be a great continent.

ivandragon:



So because the 'slaves ' in the west were black, then the Russian slave trade can be ignored within the context of your position? Russia might not have dealt in black slaves, but they had one of the largest serfdom practice...

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/living-legacy-of-russias-slavery/

Russia participated in the Berlin conference & even signed the treaty, meaning it agreed to the sharing formula but it already occupied more than enough territories at the time & did not need any more at the time.

Russia didn't need Africa's resources... it had enough from territories it already annexed.

Russia propped up regimes in Uganda, Kenya, Somalia. Even today, they are in CAR...

... but wait, what is even your logic here? So because Russia didn't 'disturb' Africa, then it is right for them to invade a sovereign state?

Donyou like the way the 14 african countries pay colonial taxes hand cannot develop and improve the lives of the people,does that look like fair deal.They dont have thier own central banks ,they bank in france and get loand from them.coupd upon coups .

Bodmum:
Ukraine will still win, the animal above me, though.

they will only win if you fight for them.

olas24u:
Donyou like the way the 14 african countries pay colonial taxes hand cannot develop and improve the lives of the people,does that look like fair deal.They dont have thier own central banks ,they bank in france and get loand from them.coupd upon coups .

So, as long as Russia didn't annex Africa & committed its own atrocities elsewhere, you are fine, right? Is that the angle you are coming from?

Hope you know that it was the US that first signed a proclamation to end slavery... in fact, the fight against slavery was one of the major fulcrum around which the war revolved...

Also, after WWII, it was the USA that pushed for the independence of colonial States which led to the proliferation of independence after WWII, whole the Russians still grimly held on to its annexed states which was why they didn't get independence until the 90s...

[quote author=olas24u post=111014988][/quote]

Does Africa exist in isolation? A global war would always affect Africa, directly & indirectly... today, you pay more for crude oil derivatives because of the war, aren't you?

Putting the blame on colonisation for Africa's lack of progress or cause for instability is stretching it don't you think?

Most countries of the world were colonised or annexed at one time or the other.. even America was a former colony.... but today, they have risen above that...

As long as the local population continues to produce people who are more interested in selfish interest & place such persons in positions of authority, I don't see how the west can be blamed...

Kingsnairaland:



For majority of the invasions, no.

So there you have it & back to the specific matter of Ukraine, the military invasion was not necessary... that was how Germany escalated started WWI. Even the Russians that some support today were in cahoorts with the nazis in WWII & were invading & annexing countries until Hitler, fortunately or unfortunately, attacked Russia which made them turn...

ivandragon:



So there you have it & back to the specific matter of Ukraine, the military invasion was not necessary... that was how Germany escalated started WWI. Even the Russians that some support today were in cahoorts with the nazis in WWII & were invading & annexing countries until Hitler, fortunately or unfortunately, attacked Russia which made them turn...

So there you have it & back to the specific matter of origin of USA evil wars , the military invasion was not necessary...in Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya etc


Do you acknowledge this fact.

Kingsnairaland:




So there you have it & back to the specific matter of origin of USA evil wars , the military invasion was not necessary...in Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya etc


Do you acknowledge this fact.

Which of the Iraqi invasions? & hope you know that Russia supported Iraq to attack Iran & also to annex Kuwait...

Hope you know Russia invaded Afghanistan first with the sole purpose of annexing it...

Hope you know that it was also Russia (Soviet Union anyway) that helped install gaddafi...

So in your attempt to go back in 'history', you would see that the Russians actually preceeded the US in invading countries & toppling governments...

So as much as one would critise the US military interventions, the Russians are actually forerunners in that regard...

Bottom line? The invasion of Ukraine by Russia is uncalled for...

ivandragon:


Which of the Iraqi invasions? & hope you know that Russia supported Iraq to attack Iran & also to annex Kuwait...

Hope you know Russia invaded Afghanistan first with the sole purpose of annexing it...

Hope you know that it was also Russia (Soviet Union anyway) that helped install gaddafi...

So in your attempt to go back in 'history', you would see that the Russians actually preceeded the US in invading countries & toppling governments...

So as much as one would critise the US military interventions, the Russians are actually forerunners in that regard...

Bottom line? The invasion of Ukraine by Russia is uncalled for...

No Bottom line? The invasion of many countries by USA and nato is uncalled for...

Saying Russia started it is wrong because no one knows who actually started it


Besides USA Cia has been removing governments by proxy just that Russia was not successful in that proxy system.

So the culprit of evil is USA with thier quest to police the earth.

Kingsnairaland:


No Bottom line? The invasion of many countries by USA and nato is uncalled for...

Saying Russia started it is wrong because no one knows who actually started it


Besides USA Cia has been removing governments by proxy just that Russia was not successful in that proxy system.

So the culprit of evil is USA with thier quest to police the earth.

It is interesting that you admit that the Russians have done what you have accused the US for, yet, you chose to blame solely the US?

Well, you seem to support the Ukrainian invasion because the US is bad or like you earlier insinuated, the West 'colonised' Africa...

If that is your premise, that's fine. Different perspective to the matter...

ivandragon:


It is interesting that you admit that the Russians have done what you have accused the US for, yet, you chose to blame solely the US?

Well, you seem to support the Ukrainian invasion because the US is bad or like you earlier insinuated, the West 'colonised' Africa...

If that is your premise, that's fine. Different perspective to the matter...

The truth is that I don't surport any one but I hate when USA or any one acting like they are holy when they are filled with sin.


USA has been bulling every one since and they actually moved towards Russia to see if it could work it like chess or a game to them.

They will run and RESTRATEGIZE with another method in few decades to see if the bulling will succeed again just watch.

Using human life to test if you are world solo super power.

Kingsnairaland:


The truth is that I don't surport any one but I hate when USA or any one acting like they are holy when they are filled with sin.


USA has been bulling every one since and they actually moved towards Russia to see if it could work it like chess or a game to them.

They will run and RESTRATEGIZE with another method in few decades to see if the bulling will succeed again just watch.

Using human life to test if you are world solo super power.

Again, you conveniently leave out the Russians in your apportioning of 'evil'... anyway, you used 'I', so its your entitled opinion...

Kingsnairaland:
The objective of this operation was never about Kiev. The pressure on Kiev is to force a political concession from the Ukrainian government with regards to Crimea and the Donbass.

The real objectives in no particular order seem to be

1. Liberation of the Donbass up their original borders
2. Demilitarization and Degrading of Ukraine's military capabilities.
3. Relieving the Siege of Crimea - through unblocking of the canals and linking it to the Dnieper river. That's why they took Kherson city.
4. Creating a land bridge from Crimea through Donbass all the way to Rostov in Russia. This is why conquering Mariupol is key.
5. Extending the land bridge westwards from Crimea to Odessa by conquering Mykolaiv, which was a major shipyard in Soviet times. Doing this will effectively deprive Ukraine from access to the sea and make it a landlocked country.
6. Destroy the Azov Battalion in Donbass. They are all now in Mariupol. Those in Volnovakha have been killed or surrendered.
7. Capture all Nuclear powerplants in Ukraine - to prevent Ukraine from having access to materials to create weapons.

All of the above objectives are largely being achieved albeit slowly due to resistance.

The attacks on Kharkiv, Sumy, Chernihiv and other cities in the North are to tie down Ukrainian forces and prevent them from coming to the South.

God bless putin God bless mother Russia.

Wow, it's surprising there is a Nigerian that understands the Russian plan.

Ya saglason 100% c etom. No ya ni c Putinom

ivandragon:


Again, you conveniently leave out the Russians in your apportioning of 'evil'... anyway, you used 'I', so its your entitled opinion...

You can see I said USA or any one.

Kingsnairaland:



You can see I said USA or any one.

That's fine.

Walkee:
if you know any fool that left Nigeria to go and fight in Ukraine you should call to see if the idiot is still alive. The hotel they camped at was bombed to ashes

Are you kidding me Lol